Talk:List of Arrested Development characters

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Steve Holt!

 * Should we include Steve Holt now that we know that he's GOB's son?


 * I don't see why not.


 * I added one. Rubber cat 06:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Correction
Gob is also known to be the biggest womanizer in the Bluth family and is frequently saught after by George Michael when he needs something his father will not give him such as marijuana for Lucille Austero - It was Buster who tried to get George Micheal to buy marijuana for Lucille 2, not GOB. --213.237.232.155 09:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Right, but George Michael went to him for Buster, which is what "saught(sic) after by George Michael" means. If it said "GOB sought George Michael for medical marijuana," it would be incorrect.

Dudewhiterussian 21:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Merge
There are still three articles that need fully merging into this one - Carl Weathers (character), Maggie Lizer, and Oscar Bluth. I've also put delete tags on Category:Arrested Development characters and Arrested Development, as these will be obsolete post-merge. sjorford mmmmm  11:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I merged Maggie Lizer and Oscar Bluth a while ago, and it seems like Carl Weathers made it in as well. --Christopherlin 09:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

LoL
Thank you for putting Carl Weathers on the page. I allways wanted to know who played him ;) :D I'm No Parking and I approved this message

Editing help

 * In the entry on Steve Holt, I put the line "basically a young G.O.B.". However, the line is actually ""basically a young you" (Michael was talking to G.O.B.) so it should be "basically a young [G.O.B.]". I can't for the life of me figure out how to put brackets on "G.O.B." if "G.O.B." is wikified. Help? Rubber cat 07:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Just put one bracket.


 * still doesn't work
 * I fixed it with: [   Gob ]  . Tntnnbltn 14:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

carl weathers
The segment on Carl Weathers needs incredible attention.

Bob Loblaw
I added a link to the bob loblaw law blog Decision of the Day.

George Oscar Bluth II

 * Someone needs to change all references to the eldest Bluth son so that his name is spelt the same for every mention. Not "GOB" then "G.O.B." then "Gob". Consistency!
 * Done, although I may have missed one or two. -- MisterHand 06:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed every reference to Gob as a person to 'Gob,' instead of GOB or G.O.B. The only time I left GOB in is for episode titles, and G.O.B. is used in Gob's title and his wife's name.  I think that's accurate. --Damageisle 07:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone will have to go through and change all the instances to Gob again. In numerous articles its written as G.O.B. and even in this article its spelled Gob and then GOB in the same sentence! I wasn't going to start changing it until I found some indication that anyone ever made such a decision on which is the best way to do it. Unless someone has a protest, I'm going to switch everything to Gob since that's how it seems to be spelled on the show. &mdash; JediRogue (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just double-checked the pilot where his name is spelled "G.O.B.". I don't think its spelled that way anywhere else on the show. Its kind of a big contradiction in all the articles where its referenced. &mdash; JediRogue (talk) 20:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Gene Parmesan
I have added back Gene Parmesan, the family private investigator that has been involved in several episodes, and it's been deleted. Then I noticed that someone is now counting the number of times that someone has appeared in different episodes. This is a slippery slope, in that it requires everyone editing to be familiar with the entire canon of shows, since every show has the possibility of affecting every recurring character's position order and episode count. Gene's been in a least two shows and mentioned in a third when Michael calls him to have a third party checked out, and yet because I know the shows better than somene else editing, they removed the reference. A minor annoyance.

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What episodes other than "Amigos" has he been in? Rubber cat 07:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Gene Parmesan only appeared in the episode "Amigos", he has never appeared since. Michael did reference him once later, but he is still just a one-time character. This list is only for recurring characters, so I will now delete his entry. If the user who insists on keeping this character in the list would like to create a page for one-time characters, be my guest.

Pictures
I really appreciate whoever added the pictures for most of the characters but there are still several characters who need pictures on this page. Is anyone up for the challenge?

The picture of Buster is about the most hilarious picture on Wikipedia. --74.109.126.35 05:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Annyong Bluth
I have watched over and over the episodes involving Annyong Bluth. My parents, both born and raised in Korea for over 25 years, have confirmed for me my suspicions unequivocally that "Hel-loh" does not mean anything at all in Korean, much less "one day". Furthermore, I saw no indication that he was ever called, referred to, or in anyway identified as "Hel-loh", which does not sound anything like a Korean name, or word for that matter.

Which is why I'm having a hard time explaining the finale. My only guess is possible a strange North Korean dialect, or an extremely distorted word to sound like "hello" to make the joke come full circle.

--It is mearly a joke in the since that people call Annyong "Annyong", as that is what he said first to the Bluths, which is like an American kid being adopted by a Korean family, and he says "Hello" to them, and they keep calling him "Hello" because of it. When it is revield that is name is "Hel-Loh", this is ment to be funny, as it is like if "Hello" were to be named "Ann-Yong". Also, most people do not know Korean in the US, so you can pull off saying that Hel-Loh in Korean means "One Day", much like in Korea where you can say that Ann-Yong in English means "One Day". Savvy?
 * Can you break it down a little further for me? I'm still having trouble following.  Damn these headaches. Wavy G 00:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * They (the writers) are taking advantage of the fact that not many people that watch the show know enough Korean to know that they're lying. --Raijinili 19:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Annyong means hello in Korean. It's the one word I've picked up from watching KO soaps. In Arrested Development, it's meant as a joke because the character introduces himself by saying Annyong (hello is Korean) and everyone is so solipsistic (and possibly racist because they assume that he can't form a vaid sentance) that they just assume it's his name and not the way to start a conversation. But it turns out that his real name, Hel-loh, to an English speacher is hello. It's an inter-language pun.

One day in Korean is romanized to halu. I guess it can be argued that halu ≈ hello, if you are not too worried about getting the pronunciation right. Seamus M. Slack (talk) 08:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Franklin
What do people think of adding a section about Franklin? Sure he's just a puppet, but he's treated as a standalone character by most of the Bluths and I'd say he deserves more than just a couple of sentences in Gob's profile.
 * Currently the Franklin section is too long, too many minor details. It needs a clean-up; and why does he among all the other characters get a crude mini Quotes section? Other characters have just as funny quotes and so if one would like to include Quotes, he should make a WikiQuote section, if there isn't one already. --WongFeiHung 22:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Franklin needs to be added to the family tree, as he was adopted by Gob -- slippyfoster 5.22.07


 * I added information regarding the fact that Franklin was a parody of the Sesame Street character Roosevelt Franklin. This is blatantly obvious information, however my edit was swiftly reversed citing original research. As the releation between the two characters is one of the show's gags, and none of the gags are explicitly explained by any "reliable source," I'm not sure how to include this information without Wiki trolls removing it again. Several of the show's gags have been explained via Wiki without proper citation and for one reason or another, have been permitted. So, I put this information to discussion. User:Zargabaath 10:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the presence of other unsourced information is not justification for adding further information without appropriate referencing; rather, the unsourced information should be addressed. Please assume good faith rather than labeling other editors as "trolls" simply because you don't agree with their perspectives. That something is "obvious" is not sufficient grounds for inclusion. In fact, an argument could be made that if something is "obvious", why does it merit inclusion at all? In any event, it would be inappropriate to include this information without a statement from someone involved with the show that Franklin was intentionally a parody of Roosevelt; a requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not simply truth. Have you checked to see whether there might be any sources out there that could be used as a reliable source? Doniago (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Doniago beat me to it, I was about to say the same thing. Attitude is everything! :)   Wikipelli Talk   18:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's policies mean nothing if the self-professed sticklers selectively enforce them. Regardless, as I had mentioned before, like many of the gags in the show, Franklin's relation to Roosevelt Franklin has never been explicitly addressed. To clarify my claim that the information is "obvious," rather that it is obvious to those who are familiar with the original character (hence why it's inclusion is relevant, for the benefit of those who are unfamiliar). As the article stands, it does not give proper credit to the character's inspiration, and is thereby misleading and contradictory Wikipedia's mission. However, as I have no reliable source (as none exists) to justify the information, I concede my argument. Zargabaath 9:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no selective enforcement occurring. If an editor sees information that they feel does not meet WP's verifiability requirements, they have the right, but are not obligated, to take appropriate action, whether it's tagging the information with a request for a citation, removing it, or starting a discussion regarding what the best course of action is. Editing is not an "all or nothing" proposition; it is impractical to suggest that if an editor cannot or does not wish to improve all of the issues with a page that they should refrain from making any improvement at all.
 * Again, please stop referring to other editors in derogatory ways simply because you do not agree with their point of view; it is unproductive and in violation of Wikipedia's civility policies.
 * Personally, I would rather see the article not credit Franklin's origins at all than provide "obvious" information that's going to make any astute reader ask, "Where's the reference so that I can confirm this is true rather than blindly trusting information added without attribution?" As it happens, that's in concordance with Wikipedia's policies about such things. Can I ask how not stating anything with regards to this is in any way "misleading" or contradictory to Wikipedia's mission? Doniago (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Tobias Fünke
I posit before a jury of my peers, that Tobias Fünke's mustache is false, due to its spontaneous appearance and absence during the Mrs. Featherbottom debacle. Perhaps he is merely wearing a false one at this point, but it supports his general over-compensating nature (see: that time he walks naked into breakfast). --Smith 7/6/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.193.233 (talk) 07:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I have two suggestions about Tobias, what do you guys think?

1.) When Tobias was practicing psychiatric medicine, he styled himself the world's first analyst/therapist, or analrapist. (He pronounced this en-AL-ruhpist.)

2.) Despite his general ineptitude, Tobias seems to have a talent for analyzing Michael. Although his dissections of Michael's personal problems (too controlling to have a relationship etc.) are quite accurate, they are dismissed due to his nature as an oblivious homosexual-in-denial living an absurd fantasy as an actor.

--- Never-nudeism is just another name for Gymnophobia - see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnophobia


 * "Lindsay, who married Tobias to spite her mother, is convinced that her husband is gay." I don't think Lindsay realizes it. --Raijinili 01:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No, for instance, in the Pilot: Lindsey:"you're gay?" Tobias:"no, no, how many times do we have to go over this? I'm not gay". And he is not really gay, only sexually dysfunctional as far as we can conclude for sure. And I think this is something Lindsey accepts as the show goes on. Danski14 07:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have read that it's a running joke that Tobias is African American and suffers from vitiligo or albinism (if the joke is that he is an albino he must wear colored contacts and dye his mustache and hair as he doesn't have white hair or red eyes). This explains Maeby's very curly hair and Tobias' book "The Man Inside Me" being about the black man trapped in a seemingly white body. I wonder if that's worth adding to his bio section? RedDarling (talk) 21:20, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't recall that joke from the series. Have any reliable sources referenced it? DonIago (talk) 05:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Ice the Bounty Hunter
Why doesn't Ice have a mention?Gamer83 04:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe Ice only appeared in one episode. If you could show that he appeared in 2 or more, then he certainly does warrant mention. I think GOB refers to him sometimes as one of his only "friends". For instance, all the way back in episode one he says "We need ice": very likely a subtle reference to this Ice. Danski14 07:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

He's in at least two episodes, Amigos (as a bounty hunter) and Good Grief (as a caterer), and Carl Weathers mentions he'll be playing him in Scandalmakers (not sure which episode). --Rubber cat 09:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot, he became a party cater. Danski14 15:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Character's Age
An issue that is not addressed here (but is to some extent at the Fandom Wiki) is that the ages of George Michael and Maeby are different in season 4 (and thus season 5 also). They are suddenly 18 years old, instead of 16, at the start of season 4, even though the season begins at exactly where season 3 left off. This retroactive continuity is made very clear by George Michael soon leaving for college (and first there being somewhat of a graduation party for him) and the development of the Maeby-staying-in-high-school story. There is still some confusion about how, if season 3 ended in fictional 2006, that we can still end up in fictional 2012 at the end of the season, since it seems that only 4-5 years have passed. Clearly, George Michael only went to college for four years, though some at the Fandom site have tried to stretch his time in college to 5 or 6 years. But it's said that he had a "semester abroad" (not a full school year) his junior year, the spring semester because we were also shown him participating in the kissing study in the fall semester, then came back after that summer. Also, if you follow the Maeby story closely, you'll see that she has a "sophomore senior" year and a "junior senior" year (that is, a second and third senior years after purposely flunking her first senior year), but then she seems to give up on the idea, so there's a year when she's not in high school, only to return again for a "final senior" year; note that the narrator does not use the phrase, "senior senior" year for this third additional senior year because that at that point in the joke the word play falls apart. If she had a fourth additional year, it would not have a name that fits because because the first additional senior year was her "sophomore senior" year. So then why have her take a year off? First of all, it helps her story, because the viewer has to doubt how committed she could have stayed to the notion of staying in high school (even if it gave her something to do). Secondly, it accounts for Maeby's four years. All this is another way of saying, by the way, that the fourth season also seems to have put us in 2008, not 2006. This date still works for the housing crisis. The only thing that stands in the way is the real-estate agent (played by Ed Helms) saying "it's 2006," but we can claim that's a joke on his part, because he can't believe this couple with no money is buying a mansion in 2008. If that takes place in the summer of 2008, right before the general economic crash, but after the housing crisis had begun in August 2007, it would make sense that he would make that joke, as well as the joke about him being selling houses to people who can't afford them.--JKaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FDF0:9ED0:F4A8:63A0:1B40:6813 (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I noticed that the children's birthdate are added to their sections. It says both of them were born in 1990. I thought it was implied that George Michael was older than Maebe by about a year or two. Mazinkaiser666 17:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This is something I paid attention to as I watched the show, and I think that it is pretty clear that Micheal and Maeby are both 15 by season two in 2005. They are in the same grade, as well, I believe. Although I seem to remember Maeby is once referred to as George Micheal's "younger cousin", it could be by only my a few months. Where did the exact dates come from? Birth dates are the best way to do it, as age changes from season to season. For instance, says she is 14, but those articles were written in 2004. Danski14 07:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Another possibility is that they changed their minds. --Raijinili 04:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

True. I guess I wouldn't have a problem if anyone wants to change Maeby's to 1991. Danski14 05:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I am changing the months so Maeby is younger by a few. A good example of Maeby being 16 in the 3rd season can be found in Exit Strategy, where she has her 16th birthday. See also, My Hand to GOD, in the hospital scene George Micheal clearly says "Maeby is younger than me". Danski14 21:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

IMdB Resource
Just thought I'd mention this IMdB list of all the characters, and the episodes they were in, which should be of help to future editors. . Danski14 01:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ann hog
OK, I'm only a recent viewer of the show and have only seen so many episodes, but I don't think Michael calls Ann "Ann hog." The only time I've seen Michael use the phrase is to refer to George Michael- because George Michael was spending so much time with her, he was becoming an "Ann hog" as in hogging Ann. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 04:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds right to me. Your version, I mean. --Raijinili 03:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. Michael later says "Ann hog's coming?" in reference to Ann. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 22:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Biiiiiig spoiler
Maeby is adopted, not Lindsey; could we please change that?
 * Uh, no, I'm afraid not. I guess you haven't watched the show far enough. :) Danski14 00:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Main Characters
I think its time to split the nine main characters off to their own articles. Their individual entries here are about as big as most fictional character articles I've seen, and well, this page is huge. Thoughts? Wavy G 03:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... That sounds like a pretty good idea. We will have to reformat the top of this page... I guess we can keep the family tree, and maybe interlink it? Or we could include short summaries, like on the main AD page,  and/or we might even consider renaming this page to "recurring characters". There will also be a number of things we will have to do, such as add the template the bottom of each page, and fix all the links. However, it looks like almost all the links already point to the redirect pages which we will be replacing, so I don't think it will be much work. So  I guess I don't have any major problem with the change. Danski14 04:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Another thing that just came to mind is that we probably would have to reword the articles to make it clear they are fictional characters. There is something to be said for having them all on one page. Danski14 04:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd totally love that... if they can be expanded with an out-of-universe perspective. That's how writing about fiction is expected to be done now- see the FAs on the fictional characters, Palpatine, Jabba the Hutt, and the GA Lord Voldemort, which was demoted and only re-promoted when publication history was added.  But this shouldn't be that hard.  DVD commentary and TV reviews of the show should help.  I found newspaper articles, for instance, on the casting of George Sr. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 22:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Michael Bluth, freed of his family, at last. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 08:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I emancipated Maeby Fünke as well. By the way, my computer froze while I was writing it and I had to rewrite it, so I totally expect a barnstar for that. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 19:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellente. Thanks for the emancipation, to all involved.  Wavy G 08:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Marta 3.0
Do we not count the third Marta that briefly appeared in flashback in forget-me-now? -- Jayunderscorezero 23:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's exactly clear it's not just another girl named Marta. (Yes, the dvd commentary says they call her Marta 3, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily the same character.) Paradoxian (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

In the Navy?
In an episode (I don't remember which), it said that Oscar was in the Army in Vietnam. But if he was on a swift boat, wouldn't he have been in the Navy? 12.218.145.112 02:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Starla's Bruises
I noticed last night in the episode "The one where they build a house" Starla has three bruises on her arm that look like marks where she has been grabbed.

Is this a real life injury or is it a joke related to her character? I ask because in some shot's they are so blindingly obvious (the scene where G.O.B unviels his business model par examplé). Cheers Fenton Bailey 11:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Little Justice/David Avram??/Tin Man entry
Why is there no entry on Little Justice. He is in more than one episode and I think his trait of changing his allegiance often (with White Power Bill as Little Justice, George as David Avram or whatever and Tin Man with Tobias/Dorothy) is noteworthy.

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Buster's Parentage
The family tree says that Buster's father is Oscar. And even though this was a recurring theme through the second season, I thought I remember them revealing that George was undoubtedly the boy's father. Am I wrong in this Giovanni539 —Preceding comment was added at 19:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the original plan was to have George revealed as his real father. In the commentary in the 2nd season (when they did commentary the show hadn't been cancelled)when Buster was saying "my uncle is my father, my father is my uncle?" or something like that Hurwitz said "Imagine the confusion when we reveal that his father is his real father" referring to George. But the 3rd season was cut short and they had to rush a few things which meant that plan was scrapped. The last thing that happened in regards to that storyline was Buster assuming Oscar is his real father, nothing further was mentioned by the narrator so I think this is what we should assume also. Jabso (talk) 07:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The second to last time the issue is mentioned explicitly is in Prison Break-In, when the narrator twice refers to Oscar as Buster's "true father." The final time is in Development Arrested, when Oscar is referred to as Buster's "loving father." I think this pretty much closes the issue 138.88.156.182 (talk) 20:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Literal Doctor
I think the Ian Robert's literal doctor character should be included. He appears in a few episodes.24.80.30.65 (talk)Tristan —Preceding comment was added at 06:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Include Warden Gentles and Warden Buck?
Do you think the two wardens should be included in this page? If so, can someone add them? From IMDB:

James Lipton	 ... Warden Stefan Gentles (4 episodes, 2004-2005)

Rocky McMurray	 ... Warden James Buck (2 episodes, 2003)

--Vchao (talk) 06:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:FranklinAD.jpg
Image:FranklinAD.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Denomination
Does it say anywhere in the show what denomination Ann's family is? It seems fairly likely that they are Lutheran or Anglican(the former probably being more likely, but this is conjecture) because George Michael has made references to her going to mass in "Meet the Veals" but in the same episode it is established that her father is a pastor, not a priest. I looked it up and it looks like Lutherans and Anglicans are the only protestant denominations in the U.S. that refer to their services as masses. 152.23.202.133 (talk) 15:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Cato

Staircar???
Since when is a car considered a "character"? I think we should move it, but i don't know where to. Anyone? --Duke33 (talk) 16:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Larry Mittleman
Just to add that the apperance of Larry is a reference of an episode of The Super Dave Osbourne Show, where he mocked James Bond in a outfit (starting at 1:13) similar to the "Surrogate" outfit on Arrested Development. --ShadowSlave 00:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Rita Leeds
I would love to see an explanation of the following sentence: He is referring to her parents being his "cousins" in the British sense, but the line also implies Rita's parents were each other's cousins in the American sense.

As a Brit with a fair bit of time clocked up Stateside, and a good appreciation of American culture, I would expect to understand this, but I don't. As far as I'm aware, the default understanding of "cousin" is the same on both sides of the Atlantic; i.e. one of Rita's maternal grandparents would be a sibling of one of her paternal grandparents.

I'm intending to remove this sentence from the article as I don't feel it adds anything meaningful, and I suspect it is the result of misinformation/misunderstanding; at any rate it is unsourced and presumably speculative.TheSnowApe (talk) 11:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Paradoxian (talk) 18:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair use / picture removal
I reverted User:Betacommand's picture removal changes because the way he did them was broken. The comments were unterminated which led to actual content being commented out. It doesn't look like he actually proofread/previewed his work before he saved.

In addition, I'm not sure I agree with removing the images. I spot checked the images and they seem to have a fair use rationale section for this article. There are some that are using straight text instead of the new templates, but this could easily be fixed by copying one of the rationales that has already been written, since the purpose of all the images is basically the same (to illustrate and provide visual identification for the subject at hand). This is a use that is common on Wikipedia and has been rationalized many times.

In conclusion, I don't believe these images violate the WP:Non-free content criteria, so I'm allowing them back into the article. Paradoxian (talk) 18:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, it seems that his rationale for removing them (according to his talk page) is that he is under the impression that non-free images are not allowed in "List of..." articles. From what I could tell, this is his/various others' interpretation of the fact that WP:NFCC states that non-free images aren't allowed on disambiguation pages. I do not agree with this, and there is no consensus on this point, so in my personal opinion the images are fine. Paradoxian (talk) 18:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they're fine too. The prohibition against using them in "List of ..." articles is so that we don't overuse "fair use" by using an image in both the "List of ..." article and in the main article. So, for example, no fair use images for "Michael Bluth" but an image for the recurring characters should be fine. Betacommand seems to be applying his interpretation of policy rather mechanically. 96.15.83.239 (talk) 05:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you point me to an example of someone citing this as their interpretation of policy? I'm afraid I'm not getting this from reading over WP:NFCC, which as far as I can tell doesn't talk about list articles at all. Paradoxian (talk) 12:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading through WT:Non-free content, Betacommand's talk page, and the essay User:Betacommand/Fair use overuse explanation, I've concluded that there seems to be some consensus that a large number of images is excessive, but no consensus what a "large number" is, with varying numbers posited such as 0, 1, 1 per subject, 5, and 10.
 * I'm afraid I'm contributing to the can of worms that has already been opened. But I am going to re-add the images as comments, so that we can evaluate what constitutes fair use. Also, I am going to go ahead and re-add the Fonz picture of Barry, since it involves a cultural reference to a prior work (Henry Winkler previously played the Fonz). I can't say I agree with Betacommand's methods as it appears to me he is rude, inflexible, and not careful -- breaking a page to enforce questionable policy is hardly great work. But I do see that there is a point to what he is doing, so it seems an evaluation of the value of images on this page is in order, but I don't appreciate his enforcing a particular interpretation of policy without discussion. Paradoxian (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In two edits: added all images back as comments, and uncommented Barry (with explanation) and Oscar (to differentiate from George Sr.). Paradoxian (talk) 13:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

More characters
I noticed that there are a few notable characters missing from the List of Arrested Development characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flameow (talk • contribs) 06:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Warden Stefan Gentles (James Lipton)

Prison Break-in - Missing Kitty - Altar Egos - Staff Infection

Officer Taylor (Jay Johnston)

Hand to God - Out on a Limb - The One Where Michael Leaves - Not Without My Daughter - Missing Kitty

Uncle Jack (Martin Short)

Ready, Aim, Marry Me

Phillip Litt (Zach Braff)

S.O.B.s - Spring Breakout

Sally Sitwell (Christine Taylor)

Out on a Limb - Burning Love

Flameow (talk) 06:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Maeby - clarify me
I added the clarify me template to the Maeby section as it doesn't make much sense. How does Linday delivering her rule out her being a 'test-tube baby' (i.e. conceived via IVF)? Either the series implied Lindsay was born of a surrogate mother or Lindsay delivered her via a C-section (which would be unrelated to her being conceived via IVF) in which two cases her having a natural birth would be relevant. Or alternatively the series implied she was conceived via IVF but showed her being conceived naturally near the end Nil Einne (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree
Could someone sort out whats happened to the family tree? I've never seen or used this before, so don't know how to fix it. Thanks, Matty (talk) 03:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks horrible, also incorect. what about amy poeher?

It's not Steve Holt!, it's Steve Volt!
It's spelt Volt in the show... 65.13.6.254 (talk) 03:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No it's not. Easily proven in the episode Sad Sack where they show Steve Holt's yearbook photos and underneath it says


 * Name: Steve Holt
 * Nickname: Steve Holt!
 * Activities: Football


 * etc etc. Matty (talk) 08:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Buster's father
It is clearly stated in "Out on a Limb" that Oscar is Buster's father when Oscar and Lucille are having argument. Oscar first says "He is MY boy!" Moments later, she clearly says "I don't want you telling him you're his father!" Later when, Buster confronts her, she does not deny it saying "I never wanted you to know!" This seems like a clear enough answer to the question of Buster's father. The Filmaker (talk) 21:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's also stated in Prison Break-In by the narrator, who twice refers to Oscar as Buster's "true father." The final time the issue is mentioned explicitly is in Development Arrested, when Oscar is referred to as Buster's "loving father." I think that makes the answer clear. 138.88.156.182 (talk) 20:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Woah!
Recent edits have been something of a debacle. The merged article is now massive- "This page is 99 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles." And the subheadings have been removed. If you look at good articles of fictional characters- Lisa Simpson, Captain Jack Sparrow, Jabba the Hutt, you'll find a lot of them have seperate sections for fictional biographies and real life info. Ribbet32 (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Maeby's name
I noticed that someone had chosen to name Maeby "Maeby Bluth (nee Fünke)" in the article. Although I agree it should be written in her segment, it is not a good idea to use it as a title for her segment, as their marriage may be legally binding, but the only reference to it is at the beginning of one episode. We shall just have to see if the film comes out. Grieferhate (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't really think she should be called "Maeby Bluth" at all. Your name does not automatically change when you get married. It's your choice whether or not to adopt the name of your spouse. You have to have it legally changed to adopt your spouse's name in most states. I definitely don't think Maeby would choose to refer to herself as Maeby Bluth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.142.208 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I also think it probably wrong to have her name as Maeby Bluth. Her name was not automatically changed, and she certainly would not have changed it herself, as she states her opposition to even recognizing the marriage as real.138.88.90.188 (talk) 04:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Buster Bluth, minor thing
I removed the "citation needed" thing from the implied father bit. All the character descriptions come from watching the show, and that includes Buster's implied biological father. No citation is necessary. Randal6546 (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Uncle Jack
Seems to me that Uncle Jack should be included on the list of characters. A whole episode was dedicated to him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.111.82 (talk) 03:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Annyong is 18
Didn't the mexican maid find his papers that proved Annyong is 18 at the end of one episode? I guess they dropped that story arc? Simanos (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Nellie
I noticed that there is no section for Nellie the prostitute. She's in Family Ties. Bassoon Man The Freak (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Recurring Characters
Does it count as recurring if they are only in two episodes (ie: James Buck and Gene Parmesan?) Logmansion (talk) 05:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe technically any character who appears in more than one episode is considered to be recurring. Doniago (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that really how Gene Parmesan's name is spelled? Parmesan as in the cheese (pronounced par-meh-zan) because they pronounce his name as something like par-meh-zhjaoern (that's my nearest spelling I can manage for how they say it).

Who played Lindsay in Season 4
She has a passing resemblance ( http://i.imgur.com/62AmVrn.jpg ) to the actress who played her in Seasons 1 to 3, but why didn't the original actress play her again? I thought everyone was coming back.
 * Portia de Rossi plays Lindsay in all 4 seasons. But your right she don't look like she did previously, she only resembles.94.145.237.149 (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

SpoilerAlert

 * I opened that page while still watching season one. I was really disappointed of the spoilers on here. Maybe you could add a spoiler alert on top? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.127.39 (talk) 17:59, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Family tree
What is the problem with the third level of the family tree? I looked at the code/mark-up and can't see any obvious problems. I'm looking at it with Chrome and it is completely unreadable. Liz Read! Talk! 19:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Andy Richter and brothers
I feel that they have been on the show often enough to appear on this page. 77.167.231.99 (talk) 21:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)