Talk:List of Arsenal F.C. players

Fill missing DATA request
Can anyone find the time to dig up missing data from any reliable sources!--Wikipedian DOG 17:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a list of players who have played 100 or more times for Arsenal, or are particularly notable in some other way, so I suspect that your edit adding current players may be reverted. A discussion about such matters is currently taking place at WikiProject Football/Notability. It is likely that figures for Danskin are genuinely unknown, as he was one of the founders of the club, and played at a time when records were not well kept. Oldelpaso 17:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverted the additions made: Category:Arsenal F.C. players is where a list of all Arsenal F.C. players can be found and the current first-team squad is specified at Arsenal_F.C.. Adding in every member of the current squad to this list only makes sense if you add the details of every player that has ever played for Arsenal in as well, which would make this far too long to be of use. Qwghlm 17:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Questions
I'm working on a similar list for Watford players. I was wondering, does this list include war appearances? I don't know whether to include them or not. Also, when a player is listed as an inside forward did you categorise them as a forward or a midfielder? Think that's all I need to know right now! HornetMike 00:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Wartime appearances are excluded, as the League and the FA do not consider them official first-class matches.
 * I think I've generally listed them as forwards, though there may be exceptions. Qwghlm 08:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oky-doke, thanks for that, Qwghlm. HornetMike 11:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why does a player have to have at least a 100 games played for the club? Who made that rule? Surely a player can be considered notable with less games than that.

Sorting on appearances
If you try to sort descending on appearances - to look at those players with most appearances for the club - then it isn't working properly e.g. Morris Bates with 73 sorts immediately above David O'Leary's 722.

There is a fix here if anyone fancies the work. Struway2 | Talk 15:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed it. Woodym555 13:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Found what the real problem was - the cell for Danskin's appearances. I've removed the hyphen and the column now sorts numerically not alphabetically, which means the problem should be fixed without resorting to all those template calls which bloat the page. Qwghlm 13:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrong picture
The picture of "Thierry Henry" is Carlos Vela. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.106.179 (talk) 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
-- List of Arsenal F.C. players → List of Arsenal F.C. players with at least 100 appearances — Per the discussion following at the FLC for "List of Athletic Bilbao players" it was decided proposed that the title should include (some of) the inclusion criteria, as capping at X number of appearances was deemed arbitrary. Sandman888 (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not Moved. Station1 (talk) 05:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * List of Aston Villa F.C. players → List of Aston Villa F.C. players with at least 100 appearances
 * List of Birmingham City F.C. players → List of Birmingham City F.C. players with at least 50 appearances


 * Actually, in truth "you" decided, not "it was decided". I failed to see a consensus in favour of wholesale renames there, at the Project or, for that matter, anywhere else.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with TRM on that one. After looking around for any "consensus" as commonly defined, I can't find any. I found a two-way conversation on the Bilbao FLC and a duplicate of that at the FOOTY talkpage. Woody (talk) 14:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * on the project the issue was brought up to little avail. There is no hard consensus for any particular naming way atm. No-one seem particularly interested in opposing the re-naming, but there are fine arguments for a re-naming. Sandman888 (talk) 15:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there are your arguments for renaming them. You should be patient and attempt to gain a consensus at the project.  It might take more than a few days, but there you go. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Eleven days and far up on the list of stuff. And they're not my arguments as you well know, but KV5's. Sandman888 (talk) 15:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It can take weeks/months to gain a consensus. Not just over a week. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And, as an example, the Aston Villa list contains players who haven't played 100 times. What then?  A simple rename will presumably then result in you listing at WP:FLRC as not meeting its own criteria?  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what then, but you should observe WP:AGF before assuming anything else regarding other editors behaviour. As for the consensus, it may take weeks/months for a debate to conclude in a consensus, but not for the debate to start, and you know that as well. Let's not pretend the thread in footy is anything but dead.Sandman888 (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose renaming Birmingham list, whatever the general arguments about renaming. List of Birmingham City F.C. players isn't arbitrarily capped at 50 appearances. It's a complete list of all players having appeared for the club's first team in senior nationally- or internationally-organised competition, from which a sub-list List of Birmingham City F.C. players with fewer than 50 appearances has been split on grounds of size. I'd have no problem with recombining them into a single list, but 240kb, most of which would be in a single section, the players table itself, would cause loading and editing problems for many of us. In two parts, 88kb and 138kb is still enormous... Anyway, as a complete list it's already correctly named. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * even if another list exist that makes the two complete, when seen as one, the list per se is arbitrarily splited at 50 appearances, and so it's not a complete list. It's a bit silly, and inconsistent, to have one for <50 and another for 50+, with a qualifier in the former but not in the latter. Per WP:NAME a logical and consistent way of naming would be preferred.Sandman888 (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Arbitrary" splitting by numerical range is perfectly acceptable. Naming conventions (long lists) says "The most common methods of splitting a long list into multiple sub-articles are by ranges of letters of the alphabet (or by individual letters for very long lists), by numerical ranges (or individual numbers for very long lists), or by some kind of topical division, such as geography, field, language, etc." (my italics)


 * WP:NCLL says that 'When the list is split ... it is up to local consensus on these articles whether the main article should be the bare list name ("List of foos"), or the first article in the series ("List of foos: A–H").' cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose based on the simple idea that we can do as per Birmingham, create a fork for players who "don't" meet the criteria. Birmingham have a good list which covers this, in most other lists, this is covered by Category:Ipswich Town F.C. players (for example). The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose my understanding is that the only reason these articles do not include all players is due to the length of size the article would become, and this is/should be clearly explained on the list pages. It therefore seems unwieldy to add the apps qualifier to the article titles, especially as the qualifier will be different depending on the club. In addition, a number of the lists will include notable players below the apps threshold, thus making the suggested amended article name incorrect. Eldumpo (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose persuaded by the excellent arguments made, there is no need to rename footy lists.Sandman888 (talk) 11:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Fudged Table Making
I'm new to editing Wikipedia and I seem to have fudged my attempt at adding Alexis Sánchez to the list. Could somebody please rectify my error. Thank you for any help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.235.140 (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed Sanchez from the list. The list is for players who played more than 100 matches for Arsenal and Sanchez has three. QED237&#160;(talk) 22:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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