Talk:List of Baptist churches on the National Register of Historic Places in Alabama

Unbalanced template
I tagged the article as "unbalanced" because the lead conveys the extremely misleading impression that all Baptists in Alabama are black. --Orlady (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There was an "unbalanced" tag put on the article, which i have now removed, which stated "The lead misleadingly implies that all Baptist churches in Alabama are black." I wrote most of the lede and do not believe there is any such implication.  I commented about the founding of Selma College and about the Civil Rights-related churches, because those facts popped up when I browsed among the bluelinked churches in the list.  I am not aware that those are black-only churches;  i rather assume there are non-blacks involved in those churches.  It would be fine and good to speak of leadership that white or not-specifically-black Baptist churches have provided on other issues in the state.  But there is nothing unbalanced, no point of view advanced, by mentioning the leadership evidence in articles as I did.  I think it is wrong to suggest a racial slant on this article.  I didn't check who added that tag;  please do comment further here. -- do  ncr  am  16:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. I didn't see before that Orlady had opened an item here (and was the person adding the unbalanced tag). I disagree with the assertion here that the lead conveys a misleading impression at all, much less conveying the extreme idea suggested. -- do  ncr  am  16:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Apparently you are not aware of the degree of segregation in Southern Christian churches, particularly historically. The current lead focuses on a few Baptist congregations, all of which are (or were) black churches and had important roles in civil rights. In contrast, the article Alabama Baptist Convention tells of the prominent role of many other Alabama Baptists in preserving both slavery and segregation. The article lead's focus on the role of "Alabama Baptist churches" in the civil rights movement severely misrepresents the scope of "Alabama Baptist churches." I am restoring the "unbalanced" template. --Orlady (talk) 17:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I'm changing my mind about withdrawing the AfD, but Orlady's very correct about the POV issue. I've done a great deal of research myself on this when I wrote three and expanded one on the links that actually leads to an article.  It needs to stay until it is balanced out.  Samford University has the leading repository on Southern Baptist churches in Alabama, BTW.  Altair  is  far  17:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec) Replying to Orlady: I object to the personal comment especially coming from you, Orlady, who have been following my edits and nit-picking in a broad pattern that I believe constitutes wp:wikihounding.  For you to add personal commentary suggesting that I am ignorant on racial matters is a new low.  I am not unaware of segregation in churches and the degree of it, and I wrote a lede that did not suggest any racial bias whatsoever, IMO.  The paragraph i drafted draws from the articles in the list, speaking to the most important historical events associated with these churches.  The two that are U.S. National Historic Landmarks happen to be listed for their association with the civil rights movement.  It is exceptional for churches to be listed as National Historic Landmarks;  it is highly appropriate to mention those ones in the lede.  I resent the introduction of suggestion of racism or of racial bias in the article.  If you want to improve the article by working in discussion of that Alabama Baptist Convention, you could do so, but your tagging and running, or tagging and adding personal-tinged comments, possible wp:personal attacks, is not appreciated. -- do  ncr  am  17:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * To Altairisfar, there is no POV. I wrote the lede in place now, and I have no such POV.  That doesn't preclude other info being added, but I summarized about the pretty obviously most important history in the linked articles.  The architecture of a small rural Greek Revival church which might be a historically black or might be historically white or for which race is not important at all, is interesting in its own article, but a factoid about that does not compare to the importance of the National Historic Landmark ones. -- do  ncr  am  17:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Doncram! It is very unbalanced at present, but I'll try to rectify it. Chill.  You may think I'm attacking you (I'm not, I like you!!!), but sometimes you make me feel like I'm at work and I'm a nurse at a state psychiatric hospital.  Altair  is  far  17:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Strike out-of-line comment. I do see your point and apologize. Altair is  far  19:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec) Orlady has re-added the unbalanced tag, not even refining the false statement "The lead misleadingly implies that all Baptist churches in Alabama are black." There is no way the article says or implies any such extreme statement.  Orlady's re-adding that, worded exactly the same as before, is suggestive that this is yet another article where her involvement, following mine, is perhaps largely meant to show me up, to criticize, to nit-pick, to provide personal attacks, to wp:wikihound.  I don't believe for a second that her motivation is more to improve the article.  The thrust of her involvement in this article so far, and in many others, has been to find fault in a personal, nasty way.  I do hope that others, perhaps including her, will take steps to actually improve the article.  I don't expect further discussion here will be helpful, so will probably not reply further, unless to respond defensively to any further accusations against me.


 * To Altairisfar, please, sure do improve the article, that would be appreciated. -- do ncr  am  17:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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