Talk:List of Beast Wars and Beast Machines characters

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Removal of fair-use images
I have removed the fair-use images on this page per non-free content guideline: "images on a list normally [do] not significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic," and the display of a fair-use image is permissible "only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." These images are fine appearing on these characters' individual pages, but here they are decorative. This is also in keeping with the RfC at Talk:List of Beast Machines characters. --EEMeltonIV 22:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Trimming
Nearly the entirety of this list in its previous form was plot summary with very little real-world context or information. Given that this is a List of..., I removed the text (some of it word-for-word from the individual characters' pages) but left links to the various character articles, where hopefully more real-world information is provided. Please see WP:WAF. --EEMeltonIV 22:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Too many non-free images
This article has way too many non-free images; per WP:NFC, even five images would be pushing the limits. Since I am unfamiliar with this show, I urge other editors to remove the images of the characters who are not as important (leaving no more than five); otherwise, I'll remove all but one (which should later be replaced by a group shot) in about one or two weeks. – sgeureka t•c 07:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the images in this article are also found on the pages of their individual characters. With the exception of Optimus Prime's image (not sure what to do with that), I'd suggest removing all the images from this article, and placing those that aren't in their character pages on those pages. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have been browsing through some Beast Wars related articles of lately, and noticed that many of the articles based on characters do not meet Wikipedia's standards for Notability, WP:Verify|Verifiability]], or fictional summaries. Specifically, subjects like “Air Hammer”, “Airraptor, or “Noctorro”, were only toys, who only never appeared on the series. Most of Beast Wars related articles offer little real-world information, and only offer in-universe plot summaries. I attempted to to re-write the Dinobot (Beast Wars) article several months ago, but was unable to find any reliable third-party references. I fear this may be the case for several other articles as well.

I posted my concerns Fiction/Noticeboard, and was told to hold a discussion (somewhere) to determine which articles should be left alone or merged into List of Beast Wars characters. In general, I agree with their suggestions, but I feel that some main characters, such as “Optimus Primal” may be able to warrant their own article given their popularity, and thus increased likelihood of relevant third-party reliable sources--  StarScream1007  ►Talk  18:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * All the characters you mentioned appeared in a variety of comic book series, not the TV series. The page you want to merge them into is a page about the TV series. This doesn't make much sense. FYI - Airraptor isn't even a Beast Wars characters. Mathewignash (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because a character appeared in comic book, episode, or trading card does not mean it can assess notability (look over WP:N). Articles on Wikipedia require real-world content, ex the conception, design, cultural impact and reception - not just a plot summary (WP:WAF). I mistakenly thought that the this article was reserved for all Beast Wars related articles, and not just those that appeared on the TV show. Nevertheless, my original point seems to apply to several of the articles I tagged. If they cannot be merged here - they should be merged somewhere else. Better yet, they should be fixed up, but that seems like a long-shot at this point. If they are not merged somewhere, they are bound to be tagged and dragged to AFD, where they will likely be merged somewhere.


 * Once again, sorry for the mix-up about the characters/series; The WAF Noticeboard told me to those articles to List of BeastWars articles (or somewhere relevant.) --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not a problem. Their notability can be debated. I removed a few characters who were not even part of the Beast Wars line like Gigastorm from your proposal, but the others are valid to at least take opinions. I would plan to add as many notes and details as are possible to prove the characters are noteworthy, and then let the voters decide. Mathewignash (talk) 23:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is difficult, but possible. I attempted to re-write the Dinobot article some time ago, but ran into a snag when i could not find any third-party references. I'd suggest using Google News Search and Topix. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  23:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It has been roughly three weeks since I originally proposed merging the pages, and little to no improvement has been made to which many of the articles linked here comply with WP:Notability (specifically WP:GNG), WP:Verifiability, and WP:Writing About Fiction. I have gone ahead and tagged all the Maximal articles to be merged here. I'll do all the Predacon articles later. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  08:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This makes no sense at all since the individual page suggested cover multiple character who appeared in various fiction, not just the Beast Wars TV series. If anything, it would make better sense to trim this page to a minimum, because it merely duplicates data from the main character pages. Mathewignash (talk) 09:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I explained my reasoning on your talk page. The articles need to be somewhere, even if means moving one article to multiple character pages, with a disambiguous page at their current locations. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  09:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Against. The pages not only cover character bios, but also toy information and the like. Merging it all into one article would make one hell of a large article. Makes sense to keep them separate. 209.106.203.252 (talk) 03:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been almost a month now, and while most of the articles I have tagged still do not contain enough proper references / real world information to merit their own article. For example, of the the Cheetor article almost all of the nine cited references do not meet WP:RS, nor cover the content in any encyclopedic manner - with the exception of transformertoys.co.uk interview. Secondly, most fan site's are not considered RS', and potentially can violate WP:EL; unless they contain information that can be properly attributed to their author or substantial commentary - not plot summaries, a proper analysis - or an interview, they should be avoided. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * On the other hand no one seems to want these articles merged either. Please feel free to join me on adding any references you can find that you think are appropriate to them to make them better. Mathewignash (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a democracy; I only proposed this merger as opposed to holding an AFD - which would probably have sent all these articles here or some other place, where they are bunched up. This discussion should not be actually treated as a merger; it should be treated as, I guess, an improvement drive of sorts, where the last option is a merger. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  00:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)