Talk:List of Ben 10 characters/Archive 1

Future Ben?
I heard in a spoiler for the third season of Ben 10 that Future Ben will visit Present Ben. Should this be added, that Future Ben is an ally, or should we wait until the episode premeries?75.41.101.196 17:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait for the premier. Other wise its speculation Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Charmcaster's knowledge
In the episode "A Change of Face", Charmcaster said two things that really confused me. One was "Come into my parlor said the spider to the Stinkfly" and "I think I will turn into that heat alien first...". How did she know about Heatblast or Stinkfly's name? The only aliens she ever saw were Wildmutt and Wildvine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.219.234.214 (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Ben's a newsworthy guy. He's probably not too subtle on camera. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes but if you recall the media doesn't know what Ben named his forms so its a worth while point. Superx 01:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ben would name himself in any given instance. It'd be a simple matter for the name to slip on camrea. Furthermore, she didn't know Heatblast's name. It's just a continutiy error. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

maybe, maybe not. also, i thought charmcaster lost her powers? how can she still cast spells? and also, she didnt know heatblast's name. she apparently just knew heatblast. she never mentioned his name. but i also wonder how she knew about them, cause i dont think she could watch tv, her being a criminal and all.kai hyuuga

Whatcha talkin' bout??? (Conef 19:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)) well in jail and Prison there is t.v. and her bag hade the powers not her. and i bet she spyed on ben.


 * Well maybe she has some type of telepathy going on. (just a thought)
 * Actually Charmcaster only lost her powers temporarily. But yeah, there are lots of ways she could have found out.--Marhawkman 11:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ben 10k, Gwendolyn, Future Max, and Lucky Girl
The above four characters are all listed as secondary characters; however, I wouldn't necessarily call them separate from Ben, Gwen, and Max (especially Lucky Girl). While it is true that the future characters interacted with the "present" characters, I wouldn't consider that to be a point of separation, since they are only aged versions of the main characters. At the very least, Lucky Girl shouldn't be counted as a separate character, since she is just an enhanced Gwen in a costume and never interacted with her alter-ego.  You Can't See Me!  21:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, some thngs just get lost in the watchlist. I say nuke the lot of them and merge. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Aaaaaaaaaalrightythen! I'll do that right now. Lessee how people feel about this.  You Can't See Me!  23:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Powers
How did gwen get Powers. Rhino Shark 10:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Short answer: She stole Charmcaster's spellbook. Don't come back with questions like these, since Wikipedia's talk pages are not forums.  You Can '  t See Me!  20:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

teen age ben
where is this cited from, and what episode is it refering to, or is it referring to Hero Generation if it is then it shouldnt be here 71.206.136.69 12:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently here. That says the second season. Maybe he meant Hero Generation. I'm not entirely sure, though, nevetheless, I put that in. I wouldn't mind if it was removed anyway. Pacific Coast Highway {blab • stalk} 21:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Omnitrix
Per the recent AfD, I have suggested merging the alien descriptions in Omnitrix to this article. Please share your thoughts on this at Talk:Omnitrix. Thanks, --Phirazo 02:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Page clean-up
Just making sure this is known, a discussion has been going on to decide if most of the characters mentioned on the page currently deserve mentioning, but seeing as not much people are participating, I choose not to take a wild guess, and acknowledge silence as agreement, so I'm posting this. For now, the discussion is for considerable reduction of the page, with moving characters from the movies to those pages, deleting one-timers that were important only to the plot of their respective episode, and merging of some character sections with others. In short: see the discussion, and post suggestions/objections, because right now, there isn't much of a consensus. Cheers! :) — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T | C ) 16:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * To me, the silence may be the greatest sign of consensus. No one seems to object. Weren't we supposed to clean things up anyways? Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 20:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but I decided to take this easy, I've seen what happens when you don't discuss these kind of things. Just didn't want us wasting time reverting. :) — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T | C ) 21:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

PS: And it is policy, after all. :) — May the Edit be with you, always. ( T | C ) 22:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A policy with videly varying interpretations. :( But I did comment.--Marhawkman 23:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Ben's parents
on the article it incorrectly states that Ben's mother Sandra Tennyson first appears in the live action film, her first appearance along with Ben's father Carl is in the episode Goodbye and Good riddance, correct me if i'm wrong but i've seen the episode and i believe the article is incorrect.--Lerdthenerd 13:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you know what to do. Fix it. I don't really know, I don't remember that ep.--Marhawkman 22:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

oops too late Bluecatcinema has done it for me.--Lerdthenerd 13:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Omnitrix aliens
I think the omni trix aleins should be merged into the character page because technically the aliens are indiviual characters or at least should be considered a part of Ben71.166.87.101 (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Why? they're all species that exist alsewhere(or used to), many of them have been seen outside the omnitrix.--Marhawkman (talk) 11:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ben-Gwen?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z07V2fkW3c Any sources on the LAST scene of the video? --212.76.64.4 (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That was from the episode where she teaches him to dance. Rau's talk 17:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Kevin
Shouldn't Kevin be moved to this page since he's now siding with Ben in Alien Force? --Naruto134 00:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Alien Force is a different show. I don't think this list should apply at all. Kevin is a baddy in Ben 10, but a goody in AF. Different shows, different lists. Ged UK (talk) 21:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, hes not all good in AF either, according to TV.com he has relapses, meaning hes still not a "good guy". But Ged brought up a good point. I think these articles should cover the metaseries, not the individual series. Rau's talk 21:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Marhawkman (talk) 06:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, are you saying there should be one page for villains (and one for characters etc) that are in Ben10, or AF (or presumably the film), rather than a different page for each show? Because I think that's going to give us far too big a list (for villains, characters, allies etc); it's already rather large and unwieldy now. Ged UK (talk) 16:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Alien Force
Please see this discussion about what to do with Alien Force characters. Thanks. Ged UK (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Kevin's villain history
I don't think Kevin's villain history should be on this page. Only his hero history should be on this page. --Naruto134 00:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Except hes never been a hero. Rau's Speak Page 02:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Until now genius, use your head, get the gears workin. --Naruto134 00:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't be a jerk. He's never been (operative word, been, as in past tense) a hero, so his villainy is relevant. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree
Does anyone know or can they show the family tree relationship between Ben, Gwen, and Max. I mean how are they cousins? i.e. is Ben's dad the brother of Gwen's Mom. And who was Max's wife? 24.94.4.76 (talk) 04:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as her Name is Gwen Tennyson and one of the popup's on the marathon Ben's dad and Gwen's dad are Maxs sons

future family
Just got finished watching the "enhanced" version of Ben 10,000 it said that Ben Marries Kai and they have two kids Kenny and Gwendolin. Which would explain why one of the kids at Kenny's birthday looked like Kai. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.0.103 (talk) 15:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This should be clarified in the article - if Ben 10,000 is considered uncanon, we need to differentiate information from it and from the main series. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 08:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Max's arm
How do you guys know when Max lost his arm? Was it in an episode? Please tell. Goku&#39;s Rival (talk) 15:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * He had an electric extending arm in the Ben 10000 episode, if that's what you mean. Ged UK (talk) 15:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

it most likely happened in the episode "Max Out" in Ben 10: Alien Force. the arm he held the device that blew up the enemies was the same arm he has replaced in the future. Yami (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Another character list
I suggesting there should be a character list for Alien Force. I have a feeling there will be plenty of new characters and they would make this page really long, same with the villains list. --Naruto134 00:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We did discuss this somewhere. I think it must be on either the ALien Force page, or the Ben10 Page. Ged UK (talk) 15:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Krakken/Kraken and Tennyson
Is it a coincidence that Alfred Tennyson, a poet who wrote about the Kraken, shares the same surname as Ben Tennyson? --70.44.139.155 (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless you have some source that says otherwise, yes. Ged UK (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
I think this page probably needs an archiving bot to tidy it up and regularly archive old threads. I would suggest a 60 day period, but open to suggestions. Ged UK (talk) 21:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

max + null void thing
he can't of destroyed EVERYTHING in a mile radius because he survives (some how) to be in the future (ben 10,00 + ken 10) and before some one sais that those show a possible future IF THOSE FUTURES MAY NOT HAPPEN THEN WHY DID THEY BOTHER DOING TWO EPISODES ABOUT IT212.74.27.54 (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's speculation. We don't know about the canonicity of the Ben 10 future episodes, particularly in relation to Alien Force. Why did they bother making those episodes set in the future if they're not canon? Only 'they' can answer that. All we the audience can do is speculate, and Wikipedia is NOT the place for speculation. --Ged UK (talk) 10:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Characters in both series
Shouldn't the main characters like Gwen, Ben, Kevin, Grandpa Max, etc. get their own article's. And shouldn't we separate the Ben 10 characters from the Ben 10: Alien Force characters to improve organization and quality. Because looking at the list of characters in Ben 10 article, it looks so unorganized and it's just confusing to read. Elemental5293 (talk) 01:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've condensed it, maybe this will help it to read better. Rau's Speak Page 02:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Vastly, good work :) Ged UK (talk) 07:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it works like this. For both series. I see no reason to split them. Rau's Speak Page 01:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

there is still a redundancy with character listed here that appear only in the sequal series, and information about some from that series(who are not also mentioned by the way in that article's character list) It would make sense that each series would only relate information about characters (and details of those characters) that portray to that particular series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.94.72 (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hex and Charmcaster
Charmcaster is apart of The Negative 10, but it feels a little weird having the apprentice before the mentor. Hex is listed after The Negative 10(Charmcaster) I feel like it would be better if Hex was moved up before The Negative 10, as he did have more appearances than the group itself(Obviously not counting the members individually). Discobird (talk) 10:17, 18 June8 (UTC)


 * Hey, go ahead and do it. This is still coming from a merge, I'm certain there will be numerous changes. Rau's Speak Page 22:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Old Characters?
What happened to the old character's like Ben old crush? And other villains like Rojo's crew? I think someone should restore them!


 * They were lost when the page was condensed. They were trivial anyway. Rau's Speak Page 03:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable Characters
So, we had our purge and trimmed the list down. I've noticed that it's been growing again. We now have Paradox and Verdona. Are either of them notable enough, having only been in one episode each? --Ged UK (talk) 09:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Where exactly? And no, they are not notable enough. Rau's Speak Page 12:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you already removed them. Nevermind. Rau's Speak Page 13:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah, i know, i asked, then waited a few hours and just made my mind up anyway. --Ged UK (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well it's not like you were wrong. Rau's Speak Page 13:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I still think characters who had an episode centered on them should be mentioned. Like Ekchuah (or however you spell it) and the Sludges.--Marhawkman (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That's nigh on one per episode then. Ged UK (talk) 11:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If we do it based on whether they have had an episode based on them, then you end up with a list very similar to the one we used to have. Rau's Speak Page 12:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * you say that like it's a bad thing. :) Anyways, I'd add a requirement for whether or not they were the "center" of the episodes plot.--Marhawkman (talk) 06:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it was a bad thing. The last list was waaaaay too long. And I don't think that simply being the centre of a plot for one episode makes them notable. This list is already getting quite long in this version. Ged UK (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction, Ged, you see, though Paradox was only shown in one episode, he saved Ben from Eon on numerous occaisions. The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 01:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Eon wasn't mentioned once in the Paradox episode, nor was Paradox mentioned in the film, so that's nothing more than speculation. Ged UK (talk) 05:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * He didn't appear though. Wasn't even mentioned. Rau's Speak Page 02:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Missing character?
I'm surprised that the character Argit is not listed. I was wondering what kind of alien he is (if he is an alien), and was hoping that Wikipedia had the answer. As far as I know, he only appeared in one episode (and I think he was voiced by Alexander Polinsky), but he was a character nonetheless. What is known about him? I'm curious and left in the dark about this. dogman15 (talk) 04:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We don't list every character, especially those that only appeared in one episode, the list would become unwieldy. There's plenty of fan sites out there that will have the info. Just google Argit Ben 10 and you'll get plenty. Ged (talk) 06:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

SevenSeven?
There was a recent commercial that noted an upgraded version of SixSix's robotic suit and called him SevenSeven. There is also a rumor going around that he will appear in X Equals Ben Plus 2. Is there enough we know about him to add him to the list?

-- Wxy (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't really comment on the commercial because i've no chance of seeing it unless it ends up on youtube, but I will anyway. What was it an advert for? Anything really related to the show, or was it an advert for some toy or other which might have an upgrade that doesn't make it to the show? As for the rumour, I suspect it's just fanwank/anticipation, and I think there's enough editors on this page that would take it straight out again without a source (me for one). Ged UK (talk) 19:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The commercial was for a new game on the Cartoon Network website called Ben 10 Bounty Hunters. The game allows you to join a team and become a bounty hunter like SixSix/Seven Seven and even shows him with a slighty different design than before. I wouldn't know for sure that this proves that SevenSeven is going to appear in the episode, but some websites describe a version of SixSix appearing. This is a little more evidence that fuels the rumors, but some people may just be anxious. For now, we just wait until August 31st when it comes out and figure it out then. -- Wxy (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that doesn't sound particularly reliable as an indicator of what's going to be in the show. Ged UK (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, SevenSeven is a new bounty hunter villian. He appears in the first episode of Season 2 called "Ben's Getaway". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.63.52 (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * And you know that how? Ged UK (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Cuz I saw the episode description page for season 2 on the Ben 10 Alien Force website.


 * They only cover up to episode ten of season one, wanna try again? Rau's Speak Page 17:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And even if he does appear in one episode, it's still not notable by the criteria we've used for all the other characters. Ged UK (talk) 17:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Why don't ya check the episode description page again? Cuz it now has every episode of season one, and the first two episodes of Season 2, which are called "Ben's Getaway" and "Humungous Downfall". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.63.52 (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Are we talking about the same website? It still only has up to episode ten. CN sucks at this kind of thing. Rau's Speak Page 22:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll prove it. Here's the description for the first episode of Season 2:

''Ben's day goes bad when he gets detention. His day gets even worse when he finds out that an alien bounty hunter named SevenSeven is running a muck. Ben must now break out of detention and stop this menacing bounty hunter!''


 * Firstly, I'm hugely doubtful of the reliability of a website that can't spell 'amok', and secondly, a single episode appearance isn't enough to get in this list, as per the consensus that we established some time ago. Ged UK (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of this thing called a spelling error? Everyone makes them, even websites. So heh heh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.63.52 (talk) 14:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And the source you are providing doesn't support your claim. That makes me a little weary of the information. Oh, and websites like CN wouldn't have spelling mistakes, they'd us a spell checker. Otherwise, it's not professional grade. Rau's Speak Page 19:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Fine! Don't Believe me! All I wanted to do is provide you guys with some information on this new character, but... all you guys did was make fun of me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.63.52 (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nobody has made fun of you, and it's not that we don't believe you, but we have to have a source for the information, AND he needs to appear in more than one episode before he can go on the list. We know he exists, he's in the commercial. Ged UK (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

His name is SevenSeven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.63.52 (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh, can we let this thread die already? It hasn't added anything at all in a while. *SIGN* 20:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

You should. Wikipedia won't allow speculation. When the information does come out, that's when you put it here! --Wxy (talk) 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright, can we put in a section for him now? He's in "Ben Equals X plus 2" and he is the one who kidnaps the alien emperor's daughter. If you don't believe me, just look on Cartoon Network Video. So heh heh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.121 (talk) 20:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody ever said he didn't exist. But he still only occurs in one episode. We have the criteria that characters have to appear in more than one episode to be included, otherwise the list just gets cluttered and unwieldy. --Ged UK (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

And how... Chaoshi (talk) 19:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

But this is different! SevenSeven isn't in just any episode, he's in the Season finale!! Not fair! Not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that's a well reasoned argument, i'm almost persuaded to change my mind. No, wait... --Ged UK (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Can't we at least mention something about SevenSeven in Sixsix's section of the character page? I mean, come on! Give SevenSeven his props! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * He's got nothing to do with SixSix, other than being the same species. --Ged UK (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "Give SevenSeven his props!"?? He had like four minutes of screen time in the entire season, let alone the franchise. It's ridiculous that this is still going on... *SIGN* 18:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Be patient! If he appears again, he's worthy of notability. Until then, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! --Wxy (talk) 19:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability
Notability is not popularity; but neither is it recurrence. Some non-recurring charatcers are nonetheless plot-relevant, and leaving them out makes the set of Ben 10 articles awkwardly incomplete, especially as most of those characters' names which are linked redirect to this page. If such characters cannot (for whatever reason) be added to this page, then make a seperate page of "Non-Recurring Ben 10 Characters" and redirect those links to that page. --Noclevername (talk) 00:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Those links should actually be removed. And the redirects should be deleted. Name one character who doesn't appear more than once that is notable. Half of the ones on this list aren't notable. If we restricted to notability, we would have maybe seven items on this list. Ben, Gwen, Max, Kevin, Vilgax, and maybe Highbreed and The Forever Knights. *SIGN* 01:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I do understand where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced that we should be listing all the characters that appear in the show that have are story-critical for one episode. Most episodes are stand-alone entities that don't have an overall impact on the run of the show. It can be argued, therefore, that those characters that appear more than once do have more significance because their re-occurance implies continuity and importance to the overall story, which to me at least generates some level of notability.


 * Part of the problem is that there are, as far as I'm aware, no 3rd party sources that make a critical evaluation of the episodes themselves, and very few that critique the show itself - hardly uncommon for kids animation. The notability of the show comes almost solely from the number of people that watch it. You could replace one one-off villain with another and it wouldn't affect the overall story. Thus, the most important indicator of notability is characters that have an effect on the overall show or season. That said, I would agree with Rau J that some of those characters that we have listed aren't really that notable, but just re-occur. I would have no complaint if we started a discussion on the notability of some of them. --Ged UK (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
If we can't put up pictures because of copyright troubles, why do we still have three pictures from the show on the page. I think we should get rid of them. It is sorta awkward to have them lying there all alone. Chaoshi (talk) 17:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair use. I don't know if those images have FU, but thats really the only thing stopping the page from becoming cluttered with images. And images of the main characters might feel awkward, but I don't think it's a bad thing. *SIGN* 18:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but it only has some of the main characters. Sorta like have a reunion special with 2 of the seven original cast members. If we have to keep them, I think we should look into why the pictures weren't removed, and apply them to future pictures. But then again, we might get cluttered up something fierce. So if we do do something about it, it should only be applied to the main characters. Chaoshi (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Why are there pictures of Gwen, Max, and Kevin, but none of Ben? This is an outrage! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You do get excited about things! I don't know the answer, though I suspect that it's down to the fact he's included in the show title card which heads up the main article. Could maybe have an AF one actually on his section though. --Ged UK (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I second that request! All in favor of an AF picture of Ben being added to his section, say "I"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye!(Thats the proper term!) Even though all of AF is crap, a picture of older Ben would be appropriate. *SIGN* 23:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I think it would be very appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 01:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but should we do the same with the rest of the AF cast? Probably not; then we would have too much clutter...maybe. Chaoshi (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we can sensibly only get away with one pic for the major characters. My thinking for Ben having an AF picture is there's plenty of young Ben pics in the other Ben 10 articles. --Ged UK (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * So, do we all agree that we should add an AF picture of Ben to the article? Anyone? Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 01:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's fine with me, provided that the fair use info is completed for it; I wouldn't want a picture going in that's just going to get deleted again because the uploader hasn't completed the proper info. --Ged UK (talk) 06:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So, anyone want to volunteer to add the picture? Anyone? Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.87.163 (talk) 22:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Mike Morningstar/Darkstar
Alright, thus far in Alien Force, this is the only character that's appeared more than once, which makes him recurring. Since the same happened with Sublimino (sorry if spelled wrong) and he's on here, I say we need to put Morningstar/Darkstar in the page, what do you guys think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superx2 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess... Chaoshi (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Toa of Gravity October 12, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.74.89 (talk) 16:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC) ✅ --Ged UK (talk) 07:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's DO IT! (Or some one do it.)FUNKEYS OF THE WORLD, UNITE! AlienXguy (talk) 22:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Article length
Am I the only person that thinks this article is far too long now? I offer two proposals:
 * 1) that we split the article in two: Allies and Neutrals in one (this one) and a new article List of villains in Ben 10 (which already exists and redirects back to this one) that covers the villains
 * 2) that we split original series and Alien Force series in two, with links between the two for characters that appear in both, with possibly a double entry for Kevin that each are relevant to the particular show, as he has changed considerably.

I personally prefer the first option, as I don't really like the duplication.

Thoughts? Votes? --Ged UK (talk) 07:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Erm... anybody remember why it was merged in the first place? It started out as two articles when written. O.o--Marhawkman (talk) 10:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? I don't remember that. Can't find any archives of this page either. --Ged UK (talk) 11:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was merged because they both contained ridiculous amounts of trivia. They were merged with a "two appearances or more" criterion for inclusion. And the AF stuff was kept here largely for the sake of coherence... There was no real reason at the time for it to be split. Probably isn't now if you just remove the trivial crap. Theres a lot of stuff in this article that doesn't need to be mentioned. *SIGN* 19:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we just need to get the scissors out on some of these characters then? --Ged UK (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but then we would need to set new parameters... Any suggestions? *SIGN* 19:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily, we just need to edit the text we've got. Vilgax's article, for example, could probably stand a good trim, and the Forever Knights. --Ged UK (talk) 20:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And Ben, and Gwen, and Max, and pretty much every entry on there... *SIGN* 21:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps, but at least there's a bit more to base those on; Vilgax isn't in the show that often really. But anyway, yes, perhaps some trimming first and see where that gets us? --Ged UK (talk) 21:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just don't do it. I've made a couple pages, and they aren't anywhere to be seen. :(. I'll do no. 2, though. Really. Truly. JUST SAY YES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlienXguy (talk • contribs) 22:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Dwayne McDuffie.com
A while ago Dwayne McDuffie one of the writters on Ben 10 Alien Force answered questions about the series on his website Dwayne McDuffie.com but now his website is down. Can people post anything that Mr. McDuffie answered or is his website being down now pervent us from putting down said information until it is back up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.97.47 (talk) 01:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The article already contains some information from those questions and answers. There were a lot of answers on there that were cryptic and added as something of a teaser I think, and it's important that this article doesn't deal with a load of fan speculation based on what he said, or what people thought he said. As for why the site is down, only he can answer that. Google may well have cached pages if you want to see the stuff before it was taken down. --Ged UK (talk) 07:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Azmuth
Shouldn't Azmuth have his own section now that he has appeared twice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.157.78 (talk) 23:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I haven't watched the new ep yet, but i was under the impression that he wasn't in it, only referred to. If he is in it, then, yes he should. --Ged UK (talk) 11:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, yeah, he did appear at the end of the episode.

Cooper
I think Cooper should get his own section now that he's appeared twice. Who agrees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.157.78 (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

OOOH! I DO! I DO!- CooperFan (talk)


 * ✅It's in already. --Ged UK (talk) 19:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Vulkanus
Vulkanus, a Detrovite, is shown to be a miniature alien in Ben 10 Alien Force. Yet in the original Ben 10 series you can clearly see his upper body under his armour. Also Technorg, a fellow Detrovite, is clearly shown topless in the oiginal Ben 10 series. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6567/ep19132ot0.jpg is a link to Vulkanus in the original series & http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1738/ep18118tx2.jpg is a picture of Techorg, clearly showing his chest. (Skit Reapa (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

Well as far as we know some freaky stuff may have happened to him,tho it's more lickly the series just wanted to make a easy way to defeat him becides knocking him unconchois,and then theres the even more lickly fact that it's a animating goof —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.141.44 (talk) 05:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Fusion Fall
Quite a few characters from the series have appeared in the new Cartoon Network MMO. Should we add them on the official release, or post them now, as they have appeared in the beta.Chaoshi (talk) 00:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't Gwen get her own entry? Also shouldn't Cartoon Network Fusion Fall an Ben10/Ben10AlienForce comics be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BLACKMYSTECHRANGER (talk • contribs) 03:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Page Split?
Alright, this page is too long, the characters that reoccure in Ben 10/Ben 10 Alien Force are very well devolped and shorting them would get rid of good information. I suggest we split this into two pages, List of characters in Ben 10 and List of characters in Ben 10 Alien Force and give several characters, for example, Ben, Gwen, Max, Kevin, Vilgax, and Animo, their own pages. This would cut down the size of the page a great deal. Superx (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

who plays ben 10
who plays ben 10 and what is his name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.27.131 (talk) 17:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In what? The original series? Alien Force? the live action films... ? 90.215.157.12 (talk) 13:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Reversions?
May I ask why my addition to this page was reverted without any reason given? Considering this was my first ever contribution to the site, I'm somewhat dismayed that my contribution was seemingly dismissed out of hand. Masked Thespian (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Well for starters it'll help if you put it into the edit summary so that they will have a reason why not to that will keep the auto-wiki software from reversing it automatically, also if it wasn't relevant say putting a villain that only appeared in one episode and or movie in or with any other list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.93.124 (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Gwen's race?
I looked at the portugese version and noticed they had Gwen's race as "Anodita". Hunh? it's been said in the series that she's not completely human, but she is mostly human as far as I know. Did they ever say what race her alien side came from?--Marhawkman (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Major revision needed.
The page has really let itself go. There's Grammatical mistakes, few sources, and unnecessary information all over it! I'm going to try fixing it, but I think we should all agree on how we want this article to look and what kinds of rules we want to introduce for each character's section.

Thoughts? Chaoshi (talk) 14:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Missing character
I think we should mention Verdona since she is the grandmother of Ben & Gwen and wife of Max. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.40.127 (talk) 14:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

It's our policy not to give sections to characters until they've appeared in more than one episode. The games don't count. If you really want to talk about her, put something in Max's bio. Chaoshi (talk) 14:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Albedo in the Null Void?
Guys, why does it say Albedo escapes from the Null Void? In Good Clone, Bad Clone, it looked like he was in a intergalactic Plumbers' jail rather than the Null Void. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.212.124 (talk) 07:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The episode is "Good Copy, Bad Copy", and he was in an intergalactic Plumbers' jail, but the jail was in the Null Void. Just look at the background outside the jail, it is the Null Void, plus, Dwayne McDuffie confirmed that it's a cell in the Null Void. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.85.232 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge with List of main characters in Ben 10, List of allies in Ben 10, List of neutral characters in Ben 10, List of villains in Ben 10 and List of Omnitrix aliens
It is far too much to have five pages on Wikipedia covering one media franchise's fictional characters who are not individually notable. The information on these five lists should be substantially compressed and merged into the main list. Neelix (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC) >>Ben >>Gwen >>Max >>Kevin >Villains >>Primary Villains >>>Vilgax >>>The Highbreed >>Secondary Villains >>>Animo >>>DNAliens >Omnitrix >>HeatBlast >>GhostFreak >>Waybig"
 * I have to object to this. They split the page into different parts because the original page had been considered too long. Too bad the principal characters couldn't get their own pages as well as a revival of the Omnitrix article with the alien forms still being in their own article. Rtkat3 (talk) 4:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. Trim it all down to essential characters. The obvious ones. Ben, Max, Gwen, Kevin. His aliens. Vilgax. The Highbreed and DNAliens. And a few of the more notable minor characters. This would make it easier to maintain, and prevent vandalism and speculation from creeping in. Also, a section detailing the Omnitrix is probably essential reading for this group of articles, and should probably only be a singular section on one page. Not the two separate ones on the two series articles. (and presumably a third on the third series article after it gets running). Also, propose a new section title. Perhaps "Merge all character articles" and then detail the five underneath. Rau J (talk) 05:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I must agree with Rtkat3 on this one the pages were split up for simplicities sake were would you put GhostFreak? Villains or Aliens? How about Kevin? Main or Villains? Further more I don't think Wikipedia was made to be able to take Five pages of those sizes rolled into one like your suggesting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.93.124 (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet the villains page only allows those that appeared more than once. It used to list one-shot villains where most of them had to have their info transferred to the Ben 10 Wiki. Rtkat3 (talk) 8:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would all be on one article. GhostFreak and Ben would be right here. And not all of the information from those articles would be present. Most of it isn't notable anyway. The five articles as the are now is unwieldy, and by all rights should be. One conciece and comprehensive article would serve the Wiki better than these. And if these characters must be listed somewhere, let it be the Ben 10 Wiki. It could work like:
 * ">Main Characters
 * See what I mean? I think this is what Neelix was thinking of as well. And, in fear of the TOC getting messy, we could limit it to one subsection. Rau J (talk) 02:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we're on the same wavelength here. It would be great to see this list get up to featured list status at some point, but that's only going to happen if the list is contained to one page and it conforms to guidelines. Neelix (talk) 14:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I object too. franchises often have multiple pages on charecters. and this is two cartoons remember. wither switch to different pages for AF and the original or go back to the old format. this page is too long to be useful. plus i feel the articles of ben, gwen atleast deserve individual pages. look at the phineas and ferb or suite life on deck pages. they're huge and mulitple paged. i vote that we seperate! Tca achintya (talk) 05:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying about the characters, but why the Omnitrix Aliens. It is mainly because of them that the list is so long. The Omnitrix aliens derserve their own seperate page.Wild ste (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

This Page is Incredibly Long
Cant we just have a page for characters and a seperate page for all the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix Aliens??? It would seem to make more sense if we were to have one again.- RREDD13 (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik20202 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps even one page each for main/supporting characters, one for antagonists, and one for aliens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.223.13 (talk) 21:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Video games
A recent edit made me realize that we haven't anything on this page about the character's appearance in the video games. I don't think the recent edit had a good format for mentioning these characters, so I thought we should talk about how we want it structured. Chaoshi (talk) 17:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Other ultimatrix aliens
i read the page for the ultimatrix aliens and i did not see, goop, chromastone, jetray, or brainstorm. are they in the ultimatrix? do they have ultimate forms? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.87.138 (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they are in it but the ultimate forms have not been shown.Ben used goop to escape in the mining prison and he used jetray during his encounters in the magic place. He has also used chromastone many times. 98.127.120.45 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC).

Clean up the page.
We need a MASSIVE clean-up on this page. Too many spammers have corrupted it and I can't be the only one fixing it. I don't want to have to be alone in cleaning up after these immature, illiterate brats. SkrallAgoriSkrallAgori (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree.

Also, should we include some new rules? We already have the one rule that state that we can only include characters who appear in more than one episode, but should we add another that pertains to what information should be included in character's profile? Should we include video game appearances? Since we haven't had a proper discussion on the talk page in a LONG while, i think this would be a good time to iron out some details. Chaoshi (talk) 01:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I feel it be better to seperate the Omnitrix/Ultrimatrix Aliens into it own page, an put the main characters an seconday an such characters on it own page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by BLACKMYSTECHRANGER (talk • contribs) 18:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Unlisted Characters
I can't find "Kai Green" in this current article though this character appears in some earlier versions. I think some characters play some roles though they don't appear frequently. Such as Kai, Ben's first crush and his wife in alternate world. Technorg is one another character who appears in "Grudge Match" of "Ben 10" and protect Ben from being killed by Kevin. I suggest creating a new article or just make a table in this article to contain those Ben 10 characters haven't appear frequently to let readers have a chance to know them.Raven Botha (talk) 07:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Clean up and vandalism fixes
Admittedly, I don't know much about the shows however when coming here to learn about Ben I was struck by the poor grammar and lack of up-keep with just the Ben section alone. I haven't looked at the rest of the article, but just that section was written like a conversation as opposed to an encyclopedic entry. Also, the section seemed to ramble on like a history on the Ben character as opposed to a couple paragraph descriptor of who he his, how he came to be, his relationship to the main characters, and the current status of the character and how he got there. That would make for a more clean and concise article and not detract from a person's desire to watch the series. I will attempt to copy edit, vandal check, and clean up the article as much as possible from a grammar and encyclopedic stand point, however someone with much more knowledge than me on this topic should go through the article and attempt to make into a clean and concise encyclopedic entry with verifiable sources. Thanks for any assistance anyone can give. Sincerely, Josborne2382 (talk) 02:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Agree. All I know about the characters is the few shows I've seen with my kids, but it is obvious that most of the sections on this page were written by either pre-teens or people with a loose grasp of english. I did some major copy edits about 3 wks ago, so some of the sections used to be much worse... Ckruschke (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

Marking article as "unsourced"
The only reference, "Who is your favorite Omniverse alien out of the ones revealed so far?", proves nothing other than that Magister Patelliday exists in-universe.

In general, "Unsourced" tags are used for zero-referenced articles, but there are exceptions, like these. The page could use the extra attention by re-categorizing it. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 00:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing Alien Form
I'm not a great writer so I didn't fix this myself, but Wildvine is not on this page. He should be after Canonbolt but he isn't.--173.48.133.172 (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * with the caveat that this was moved to List of Ben 10 aliens Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup
Due to the insane length of this article and the ridiculous amount of information (17k words), I believe we need to get this page worked into a different system. I recommend that we split the information into a page for the storyline and keep brief descriptions of all the characters (slightly longer ones for the main characters). We don't need to know ALL this information when reading about specific characters and most of it is just intertwined stories that connect to other characters in the same page. Infernus Is Hiding  -Talk  15:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Julie Yamamoto is not listed
I'm currently unable to fix it, but it's an oversight that must be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.22.218 (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Massive cleanup needed, especially original research
This article has been tagged for a very long time for having multiple problems. One of the problems is that it has an in-universe style, tagged for 8.5 years. Another is that it does not cite any sources; a problem for five years. What I can see is that it has a gigantic problem with violations of WP:No original research, meaning that people who watch the shows are coming here to write about what they watched, which is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work. Rather, Wikipedia is based on summaries of WP:SECONDARY sources writing about the topic.

If secondary sources cannot be found, the article should be deleted. Otherwise, this primary source should serve as the minimum requirement. Are there reliable secondary sources? If so, they can be brought in to expand the list. Binksternet (talk) 07:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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