Talk:List of Billboard Hot 100 chart achievements and milestones/Archive 2

Producer Dr. Luke, Watch for 2013
Producer Dr. Luke is close to entering the most #1s list for producers, and possibly songwriters. He currently has produced 12 #1s. dnsla23 14:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Longest Consecutive Run at Number One for an Artist
I have a request that the record of the longest consecutive run at number one for an artist be mentioned in the "Selected additional Hot 100 achievements" section. The record is currently held by the Black Eyed Peas with 26 consecutive weeks at the number one spot between the weeks of April 28-October 10, 2009, with the group's single "Boom Boom Pow" having spent 12 consecutive weeks at number one and then being replaced by the group's other smash hit "I Gotta Feeling" which spent 14 consecutive weeks at the number one spot.

I've just incorporated this into a recent entry in the "Selected Additional Hot 100 achievements. This entry begins with specifically addressing songwriter achievements, not artist achievements, in having the most consecutive weeks at #1 in a situation where one song written by a songwriter(s) was replaced at #1 by another song written by these songwriter(s).  The entry flows from the previous entry above it in the "Selected" section.  The Black Eyed Peas hold the current record for this with 26 weeks.  The songwriters listed are the four members of the Black Eyed Peas at that time.  The entry then concludes with addressing that the 26 weeks are also a record for consecutive weeks at #1 by any artist.  dnsla23 12:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Instrumentals list
Hi,

I'm not sure how this list is defined. A few of these songs are mostly instrumental, but not fully. Examples:

The Hustle has multiple chorus intros where "do the hustle" is obviously said. "Do the hustle" is even duplicated a few times. Gonna Fly Now - the words "gonna fly now" are clearly audible in a few sections of the song.

Please listen to the youtube of "Winchester Cathedral", and you'll too wonder how such a vocal-laiden song would end up on this list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZjxN3wd6M8

There are no footnotes/supporting articles associated with this section. It should be reviewed? Or do these example fall under this pages' definition of Instrumentals?

Thanks, dnsla23 00:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

I agree that "Winchester Cathedral" is not an instrumental, but I can see how "The Hustle" and "Gonna Fly Now" are instrumentals.

The first five instrumentals listed state a "for the week ending" date, rather the Billboard issue date, which the article uses everywhere else. Even if not using the Billboard issue date, the stated "for the week ending" date for each of the five is one day earlier than it should be, as evidenced by the actual Hot 100 charts.

"Love Theme from Romeo and Juliet" was #1 starting on 28 June 1969, not 28 July 1969.98.151.174.67 (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

OK you have a good sense of which of this song should remain on the instrumentals lists. I leave it to you to hone it down. I didn't create this table, so I'm not sure I'll get the methodology right. dnsla23 11:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC) I'll take Wincester Cathedral out in the meantime. dnsla23 11:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Most consecutive years writing a number-one hit
The final chart date that the final given hit was at #1 is incorrect for three instances:

Lionel Richie - should read January 11, 1986 (not December 21, 1985) John Lennon - should read June 20, 1970 (not June 30, 1970) Barry Gibb, Robin Gibb - should read November 8, 1980 (not August 25, 1980)

Lionel Richie achieved only 8 consecutive years if using the first chart date, rather than the final chart date, that the final given hit was at #1.98.151.174.67 (talk) 05:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

This is a good point. I've already edited Richie's years to 9. The rest of the chart should parallel this. dnsla23 11:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Some Nights
I guess from this week 'Some Nights' from fun. should be mentioned as well in the list of 'Most total weeks on the Hot 100': 53 weeks on chart on March 9, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumdignitate (talk • contribs) 13:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - eo (talk) 13:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Longest gap between weeks at #1
There's a recent entry about the 5 week gap between weeks at #1 held by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Thrift Shop ft. Wanz. On March 2, 2013 Baauer's Harlem Shake became #1 for five weeks but Thrift Shop became #1 again after Harlem Shake dropped out of #1.

"The Twist" by Chubby Checker charted twice, in 1960 and 1962, hitting #1 each time. The gap is something around 1 year 4 months. In this case, the gap happened because it charted twice. Does that hold water here? If so, the above entry should be deleted. dnsla23 08:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Age records for youngest male to hit #1
Stevie Wonder is listed as the youngest male artist to have a #1 at 13 yrs old. Consider that both Michael Jackson and Zac Hanson were 11 yrs old when they hit number one as part of a group. The oldest female is listed as Cher, who replaced Grace Slick. Grace Slick hit number one as part of a group. Should Michael Jackson be listed as the youngest at 11 yrs 5 months? Even Marlon Jackson was under 13 yrs old when the Jackson 5 hit #1 with "I Want You Back". dnsla23 07:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Deluxe editions - Taylor Swift and Katy Perry
One of the "selected additional achievements" for Taylor Swift gives her credit for singles from her album, and additional credit for more singles off the deluxe version of the album

For the week of November 13, 2010, Taylor Swift had 11 singles on the Hot 100, including ten chart debuts. Both totals are the most ever by a female artist. Swift also holds the record of most top ten debuts on the Hot 100. Swift now holds the record for an entire album of songs with all of the standard edition of Speak Now's 14 songs hitting the Hot 100.[62][63] Also, Swift holds the record for the most number of songs from an album to chart on Hot 100 after the 3 bonus tracks from the deluxe edition of Speak Now charted in the Top 20 of the chart, thus giving her a record-17 chart entries from one album.

Katy Perry was not given credit for "Part of Me" going to #1 because it was on a re-release of the Teenage Dream.

Since Billboard's rules cover one release, the Taylor Swift entry should probably be changed. dnsla23 07:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Most consecutive years writing a number-one hit
Mariah Carey's Hero was #1 in 93 and 94. So shouldn't her streak begin in 1993 with Dreamlover? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.125.185.97 (talk) 18:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You are correct. I will edit this. dnsla23 20:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Songwriters with most #1 songs in a calendar year
I appreciate that someone expanded this section that I started. I had included songwriters with 4 #1s because it included more modern songwriters. Also it included some successful producers, versus just artists and songwriters. This list wasn't necessarily limited to the top 5 entries.

I realize that adding more entries would make for a large table, maybe too large for this section. Still I think this list has lost something without anyone post-1980.

I've edited the table for formatting, as it didn't include a code to conclude it. I condensed the #1 hit section for easier visuality dnsla23 21:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Updates from new Billboard article
Billboard just released the top songs of the past 55 years. Here are two updates to the information on this page.

Most cumulative weeks at #1 - Madonna has 32, 1 more than Whitney Houston with 31

The Rolling Stones have 23 top 10s, tying them with Whitney Houston at #10 of all time.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5557800/hot-100-55th-anniversary-by-the-numbers-top-100-artists-most-no?page=0%2C0

108.239.230.150 (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

This article needs maintenance again
As in the past, this article has become bloated again and needs trimming. There is way too much minutiae and over-explanation in some of these sections. The overall formatting is a bit much too... some of the sections are in tables (unncessary in my opinion) and some is not. A few sections should be removed altogether... do we really need a "most weeks in top ten" AND "most weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten"? Not every item mentioned in a "Chart Beat" column needs to be immediately copied over here. This is an article nominated at AfD several times; I do not want there to be a reason for it to be nominated yet again. A cleanup is needed — I will start doing so in the next day or two if I don't see any further comments or discussion here. - eo (talk) 11:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Timbaland's inclusion
The revision regarding Timbaland's 96 weeks in the top ten has been undone three times now. I want to know why this is the case. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia to gain facts. The Timbaland record is the actual record for weeks in the top ten, while it is not as a credited artist on some songs, he still is a part of these songs and had a presence on the Hot 100's Top 10 for 96 weeks. There is no reason to remove the record as it is a fact. Regardless of title credit, production credit still counts as a presence in the Hot 100.

I request that Timbaland's record be placed in the "Most Weeks in Top Ten" section and not be removed as it is a factual representation of who has the most weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.42.114 (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ❌ it has been removed repeatedly because it does not belong there. Timbaland produces hundreds of songs and unless you're going to research the same way for all producers who are not namechecked as the song's artist (main or featured) then this is an item best placed within Timaland's main article. - eo (talk) 12:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Who changed Michael Jackson's biggest number one hit
I cited a reference from Billboard Magazine's article specifically saying that Say Say Say was Jackson's biggest hit. Someone changed that to Billie Jean, and provided no reference. Uncool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs) 05:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Same thing goes for Madonna's biggest number one hit
This was changed from Like a Virgin, cited in a specific Billboard article, to Take a Bow.

Billboard does not consider the most weeks at number one as the sole determinant as to a biggest hit. They look at the entire chart run.

I want to change this back, but want some feedback before I do that it won't happen again. dnsla23 06:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Addition: Longest time to get a new peak
According to an article on the Billboard website (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5740700/awolnation-how-sail-took-the-scenic-route-to-hot-100-juggernaut), AWOLnation's "Sail" has taken a year to get to a new peak position (no. 24), the first of it's kind. In addition, the song is still rising with the 56th week getting "Sail" the new peak of no. 17. Should this be added to the additional achievements section? 75.117.41.51 (talk) 23:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC) a Wikipedian viewer

Most consecutive weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten
Holy Grill - Jay Z ft. Justin Timberlake just got 15 weeks in top ten after debuting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.112.233.34 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Most #1 singles note - question
NOTE: Elvis Presley and The Beatles are the only artists on the list who have never been featured or collaborated with other acts in their entire discography.

Actually I believe that The Beatles featured Billy Preston on the single "Get Back/Don't Let Me Down". It's listed that way on this single's Wiki page. Would this be considered a collaboration?

dnsla23 00:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

They also had a minor hit with Tony Sheridan ("My Bonnie") which DID chart on the Hot 100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.155.64.162 (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Songs that spend an entire CALENDAR year on the Top 100
In a few weeks, Radioactive will successfully rank on the 100 for every frame in 2013 (unless they missed one early on?) I think Rolling In The Deep pulled it off as well, based on its debut and impressive longevity, but are there any others? - Drlight11 (talk) 18:37, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Lady Gaga Applause
Lady Gaga's song Applause debuted in the Hot 100 top ten and stayed there for 14 weeks. Could it be added considering many songs don't stay that long after debuting that high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.64.42 (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Longest Climb to Top 40
In 2013, Awolnation's "Sail" reached the top 40 jumping from 49 to 30 on its 26th week on the chart. That should definitely be included in the section if Anna Kendrick's "Cups" is included, having reached the top 40 in its 21st week on the chart. Sail should also get credit for being (as far as I know) the only song to ever chart on 4 calendar years. Also, Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive" tied with "Cups", climbing 41-36 on its 21st week on the chart and thus hitting the top 40 for the first time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markg94 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Most consecutive weeks in Top 10
Rihanna scored 38 consecutive weeks in the top 10 w/3 hits (Take A Bow, Disturbia and Live Your Life). The streak starts at week dated May 24,2008 and ended on the week dated Feb.14,2009 Stellards20 (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)stellards20

Most number-one singles from one album
Should the Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) be included, as five #1 singles were released off it? (The album also included two earlier #1s, Jive Talkin' and You Should Be Dancing, for 7 in total.) Dralwik&#124;Have a Chat 02:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Most top 10 singles - Janet Jackson
I don't understand the notation for Janet Jackson having an additional top 10 hit if you count singles whose A-sides and B-sides charted separately, raising her total to 28 top 10 hits instead of 27. To which single does the note refer? I know of no Janet Jackson single that had a B-side that reached the Hot 100 top 10 separately from the A-side. I think the problem is that the Billboard article cited as the source for 27 top 10 hits may be in error. The Janet Jackson discography page shows she's had 28 top 10 hits: 5 from Control, 7 from Rhythm Nation, 6 from Janet., 2 from Velvet Rope, 2 from All for You, Runaway, Doesn't Really Matter and her 4 singles with other artists (Herb Alpert, Luther Vandross, Michael Jackson and Busta Rhymes). 5+7+6+2+2+1+1+4=28. None of these are B-sides. The 28 figure is corroborated by Joel Whitburn's The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits (p. 875 in the 9th Edition from 2010).Ww adh77 (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Oops. You forgot
Forgot about this guy named George strait — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.184.119 (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Also forgotten to add to the list of instrumental number ones, the Theme from Shaft by Isaac Hayes in 1971. 118.101.207.210 (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Most consecutive years charting a number one single
Lists Mariah Carey as having 11 consecutive years, but the dates used are August 4th, 1990 to February 19th, 2000. This is only a 9.5 year span of time, rounded up to ten years. One or the other must be wrong.

It's the most calendar years, not the time in between the first and last songs. It starts with the year 1990, and ends with the year 2000. That's how it gets to 11. dnsla23 00:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Typo, Max Martin
In the section "Most total weeks on the Hot 100:, specifically under "55 weeks", the "Imagine" in Imagine Dragons' listing for their single Demons is spelt incorrectly.

Also, in the part where producers are listed along with the acts they're most famous for producing, should the Backstreet Boys be included for Max Martin?

There are only so many acts that can be listed in this section. Personally I'd take Ace of Base out because his involvement with them happened after their big success.dnsla23 00:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2014
JoJo the singer should have been put in the gap and age records

94.187.44.182 (talk) 16:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * For what? - eo (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
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Top 7 frozen
Sorry I did not list a source. Here it is…

http://weeklytop40.wordpress.com/1999-all-charts/

Look at week May 15th, 1999.

dnsla23 18:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok. I needed to reword the trivia statement in the article, because it wasn't being clear.  When the chart feat happened earlier in the year (April 12 to 26, 2014), it showed the "last week" column in each chart for the top 7 being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, in that order for three weeks in a row, which is what the Billboard magazine source was getting at. The Hot 100 showed no change in position for the top 7 for those three weeks.  In effect, the top 7 songs were the same seven songs, in the same order, for the entire month of April 2014 (April 5 to 26, 2014), four weeks in a row, but they were focused on the chart's "last week" column. The same logic can be applied back with the 1982 charts.  The August 21 chart had the "last week" column for the top 7 as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and the same for August 28 (in fact, that week, the whole top 10 was frozen).  What that meant was the same seven songs occupied the top 7 spots, in the same order, from August 14 to 28, 1982. Looking at the May 8 and 15, 1999 charts from the source you cited, dnsla23, May 8 did not show the above pattern in the "last week" column. However, May 15 showed the "last week" column for the top 7 as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, like with the above charts mentioned. It was only for that one week, though, so it doesn't match the 1982 feat, and is obviously short of the feat from earlier this year. I'm hoping that helps, although as I said, I needed to reword the trivia in the article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I've actually been questioning whether the trivia should be in the "Selected additional Hot 100 achievements" section in the first place. It talks about just the top 7, which is an arbitrary figure, as opposed to more commonly used counts as the top 3, top 5 or top 10. Because of its likely violation of WP:IINFO, and because wording the actual trivia statement is a challenge (I'm thinking even my rewording attempt can confuse the average reader), not to mention the obscurity of this feat in the bigger picture, I am one who would be okay with removing this trivia. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

That does help, thank you for correcting me. I'm OK as well with removing this piece of trivia. It focuses on the charts and not actual songs, artists, producers, or songwriters, which really seems like the base of this page. dnsla23 21:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

The longest gap between a song topping the Hot 100
The nine-week gap between "Wrecking Ball - Miley Cyrus" topping the Hot 100 marks the longest in the Hot 100's 55-year history for a song in one chart run. (Only Chubby Checker's "The Twist" had a longer break than "Ball" between Hot 100 reigns. It led in September 1960 and again in January 1962, but that was over two separate chart lives.)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5812407/miley-cyrus-wrecking-ball-swings-back-to-no-1-on-hot-100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.112.233.34 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Junior's farm dropping off the hot 100
From #17 – Wings — "Junior's Farm" (January 25, 1975)

There's a circumstance around this. The single was originally Junior's Farm/Sally G, with Junior's Farm as the A side and Sally G as the B side. Somehow late in it's charting, the single switched its A and B sides to Sally G/Junior's Farm. It then plummeted down the charts.

So with the single's shifting the A and B sides, did Junior's Farm really drop off the charts at #17, even though it was still charting as a B side after that? I think of Jewel's Foolish Games/You Were Meant for Me single, whose promotion of the A side, and then the B side kept it on the charts. Now in this single the A and B sides were not formally switched, they were just promoted on radio as if they were two different singles.

It's a bit confusing, but in the end I don't think Junior's Farm dropped off the charts when it was switched to a B side.

See [1] dnsla23 20:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)


 * Interestingly, both "Junior's Farm" and "Sally G" each spent 12 weeks on the Hot 100, but they weren't for the exact same weeks. "Junior's Farm" charted by itself beginning with the November 23, 1974 chart, then "Sally G" was appended to the listing beginning on December 14, 1974.  It was listed "Junior" then "Sally" until the January 25, 1975 chart when they swapped, which is the week the record dropped out of the top 10, to #17.  The following week, February 1, 1975 (note: that chart doesn't appear in the available Billboard issues at Google Books, but I do have the Hot 100 charts books covering 1960-2009 from Joel Whitburn), Billboard showed "Sally" as a new entry by itself at #66. The weeks on chart tally was reset as well that week, noting its progress on future charts. "Junior" was no longer listed alongside from that week until "Sally" dropped off, so from that measure, "Junior" dropped off the chart from #17. As to why Billboard showed "Sally" as a new entry, and this is just a guess: when "Sally" was listed by itself, Billboard no longer counted any airplay points associated with "Junior", and there were questions as to the validity of a 17-66 drop of "Sally" when the record listing on the chart was changed. Having the new entry symbol was surely not accurate, as "Sally" obviously wasn't "new" that week, but Billboard in those days also didn't utilize a symbol for re-entering titles, which would've also been inaccurate, since "Sally" had never dropped off the chart. I've always been confused during those days Billboard employed listing both songs from the same record in one entry on the chart, especially when the order of the songs would swap, one song would be added or removed, or even in some cases, one song would be replaced with the other on the record, while retaining its chart ranking. Puff Daddy's "It's All About The Benjamins" and "Been Around The World" is a good example; there was one week in early 1998 when Billboard changed from one title to the other (only one title listed, not two), and at the time it was ranked in the top 5. Questions would then arise whether the song that ceased to be listed dropped off the chart from that high up, which is perhaps another reason to debate the drop-off position of "Junior". MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the charts on that weeklytop40.wordpress.com web site, and it does list both "Sally G" and "Junior's Farm" for the weeks after January 25, 1975, which is not accurate. Billboard definitely removed "Junior" from the listing after that chart.  See this issue of Billboard, for example, dated February 22, 1975 (this was when the song re-entered the top 40 for one week). MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah this is really confusing. The A-side B-side thing can muck everything up. I see what you're saying. I can see that Junior's Farm carried the single down to 17, and then the drop the next was due to the switch to Sally G. In this case, yes Junior's Farm did drop off at #17, and Sally G took over the next week at 66. dnsla23 22:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Now that I think about it, this move could have been part of the times during late '74 through early '75. There was a patch of #1 songs late in 1974 that fell down to 12 or 15 the week following their #1 week, and soon off the chart for good. This was probably a game the labels had with radio. Once the song got to where the label wanted it to (e.g. getting to the #1 spot they paid for), they yanked support. Junior's Farm came within 2 months after that. This could be the reason why this happened. Maybe they thought that the B side was good enough to chart on its own, and thus did the switch to focus on that instead.dnsla23 00:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Simultaneously three or more singles in the top 10
Chris Brown scored in May 2008 with "No Air" (a 50-50 duet with Jordin Sparks), "Forever" and "With You." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.112.233.34 (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I have taken note of this edit, undoing an edit which excludes Iggy Azalea from the list. I have also read the note that is at the beginning of the section: ''Note: list below is complete with respect to accomplishments by leading artists or acts. There are more instances if collaborative songs (involving for example featured artists or 50/50 duets) are also taken into account As per the note, this edit should not have been undone, and Azalea should not be on the list (as mentioned, her credit on Ariana Grande's "Problem" is a featured'' credit, not a lead credit). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

the real article is here. Iggy Azalea also has three.--dnsla23 17:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)   Oh OK, on this page we're looking at  "with respect to accomplishments by leading artists or acts". Under that guise, Iggy doesn't qualify.--dnsla23 17:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What is the reasong for not including featured artists? Just because a Billboard columnist has pointed this out doesn't mean it has to be done the same here.  If we're keeping WP:NPOV then it should not matter if the artist is lead or featured. - eo (talk) 17:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree there. The biggest problem is that note at the beginning of the section, and I would have no problem including acts who qualify, whether they are listed as lead or featured, or part of a duet or trio or larger (if their name is explicitly listed somewhere in the credits). The preceding section in the article, regarding acts occupying the top two positions, doesn't discriminate, so why should this section? I have reverted the edit I mentioned at the start of this discussion, per the note, but if consensus indicates that the note should not be there, feel free to revert my revert. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be easier to just remove that note? How many more people would have to be (re-)added to the list?  Anyone know? - eo (talk) 17:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

There's a lot of research someone needs to do to answer that question. Can't be changed until that's done. Off the top of my head, maybe Rihanna has done it.--dnsla23 20:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * I've looked at 2005 to 2009 at this point, and five artists managed to have at least three hits in the top 10 simultaneously, either in the lead or featured role (two of them managed four in the top 10 simultaneously): 50 Cent, during a three-month stretch in early 2005 (he had four in the top 10 on April 2 and 9, 2005); Akon, for a couple of weeks in May 2007; T-Pain, during the final two months of 2007 (he placed four in the top 10 from November 24 to December 8, 2007); Chris Brown, for one week in April 2008 and one in May 2008; and Lil Wayne, on September 27, 2008. Just jotted down some dates, but didn't highlight songs in particular. Still a lot more research to do. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Went thru the charts since the beginning of 2010, and aside from Adele's three songs in March 2012 (already documented), and also Ariana Grande and Iggy Azalea scoring three simultaneous on the newly released chart (August 30, 2014), no other artists were able to have three songs in the top 10 simultaneously, not even Rihanna. Still need to check the charts prior to 2005, but the process should become easier for charts prior to the mid-1990s, since the influx of singles providing a featuring credit started around that time. MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Section has been updated with what I've found. The five artists I mentioned above, plus Iggy Azalea, I've added to the list, and removed that opening note, so it accounts for featured credits, duets, trios, etc. I'm still going back through the Hot 100 charts, but could not find any other artists who scored the trifecta going back to the late 1970s. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Cool. Gotta go back through 1958 to have the whole composite for this category. Good so far. --dnsla23 23:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Great job on finding all of these other artists, but now I fear this section has gotten really long for this page. It (along with top 2) should really be its own page, with a link to this main page. Thoughts?--dnsla23 20:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * I don't know if the two sections can stand alone in their own article, as we're talking about a fairly dependent subset of the various "achievements" and "milestones" the main article is setting to relay. I think it would need to pass a notability test if it were to stand alone, like with articles about individual songs and albums by artists; that would be a hard sell to other editors. I have been experimenting with the show/hide features available in Wikipedia, but haven't really been successful with it as far as presentation is concerned. Something like that might work, keeping the visible text short while those wanting to know the details can click to show the information, but then there's a problem with the consistency of its use throughout the article. There is no doubt the two sections are growing, and will continue to grow with the current chart trends on the Hot 100, so this may be in discussion for a while. Prior to 2000, those two lists wouldn't be any big deal, taking up a very small portion compared to today; see what the last 15 years have produced! By the way, I've already gone as far back as 1970 on the research, and there are no other artists I can come up with that had three or more in the top ten the same week, even when considering soloits along with groups they were in (e.g., I noted that Donny Osmond had a solo hit in the top 10 the same week he and his brothers were also there with their own hit). I feel confident I won't find any others, aside from the Beatles, going back farther—Elvis is a possibility, or even Herman's Hermits (I think they had two in the top ten during one week in 1965), but won't hold my breath. So, very likely the list won't grow any more on the past end. I'd worry more about the future end.  MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Taylor Swift holds the all-time record for most top ten debuts on the Hot 100, with 12. (better source needed)
So there was an article stating Swift had the all-time record with 11. Her new single debuted at #1, thus making it 12. I cannot find a good source showing that it's now a new record. Should we leave this, or take it down until a good source is found?--dnsla23 20:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * Swift still holds the record for most top 10 debuts, no disputes there (though I don't know, at the moment, who is second on that list—my guess is that it's a distant second, by at least 5 hits). All that happened is she just extended the record (and increased her lead over that second-place contender). The problem with the source is it was written early last year, when her tally was at 11. Since then, her tally has increased by just one, and what's stated in the article is correct. However, hypothetically speaking, what if she were to have had more debuts in the top 10 in between the time that source was written and last week, when "Shake It Off" entered the chart? And a later article from Billboard, not too far in the future, came along indicating her tally was up to, say, 14 or 15 with the new song, instead of 12? We'd obviously need to update the count in that case. In terms of published sources, upon which we must base the information presented or it's that dreaded original research Wikipedia keeps warning us about, we have yet to find one that confirms the count we're showing. We could put in the source that talks about Swift's debut at #1 last week, in addition to the other source, which may indirectly confirm the count of 12 we're showing, but it doesn't exclude the possibility that the count might actually be higher, per my hypothetical example. That might be the correct solution for now, until another source makes a direct link to the actual number. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Answering my question about the runner-up in this category, it appears to be Eminem with 8 (lead and featured credits, combined), so he's only behind by 4. Been keeping list of all the songs which debuted in the top 10, going back to the start of the Hot 100, and the total there has reached 158 with Taylor Swift's current chart-topper. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Number one? Number-one? No. 1?  or #1?
This is more a question of convention of how to show chart positions in this article, as I'm seeing it in the four above ways throughout. Ideally, there should be only one notation. As for those that express a chart jump, like 97–1 or 93–12, I don't mind leaving those without any prefix at all. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree there should be some consistency. In the case of 97-1, it's all numbers and should be left as such. For sections (producers with the most number ones), I like the idea of writing it out, rather than just the numbers. I'd prefer "Number one" personally, but would be fine with "Number-one" as well. What does everyone think? --dnsla23 19:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The section headings we could keep spelled out with "number one" or "number-one" (the latter is used when its context makes it an adjective, such as "number-one singles"). As for the other two notations, "No." and "#", they seem to be used alternately for the rest of the text, even in the same section, which is where the consistency problem is. Could switch the affected text to one or the other, but at the moment, I don't know which notation. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea you have for "number one" or "number-one". I think this issue stems from too many different people creating sections independently. I'll add myself to that list, as I've created a number of sections without looking at the others. I'm not a fan of "No.", because it also looks like the word "no". Could be confusing for people whose second language is English. I'd prefer "#". --dnsla23 17:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * I also prefer #, however it should be consistent throughout. When I see "#" and "No." in the same article, smoke starts coming out of my ears. - eo (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Changed "No." to "#" in article text (but not in references). Also changed "number one" (or similar text) to "#1", except in section headings. There was at least one place where it said "number ones" (plural) in the text; I kept that way. Seems to have worked out, though I don't know about the changes in "Most consecutive weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten"; looks like smaller print would be better where it indicates the duration at #1 by the song (but maybe that's just how my eyes are seeing it). MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Longest climbs to Top 40 — data is incomplete — should be removed until sources exist to complete it
I was noticing that category, which has just three entries:


 * 30th week - Of Monsters And Men — "Little Talks"
 * 29th week - LeAnn Rimes — "Can't Fight the Moonlight"
 * 21st week - Anna Kendrick — "Cups"

Going through the source that is backing the information, it says the following (after identifying "Cups" was in its 21st week when it cracked the top 40): "'Cups' completes the fifth-longest trip to the Hot 100's top 40 for a song by a woman in the chart's history, a list led by LeAnn Rimes' 'Can't Fight the Moonlight,' which needed 29 weeks in 2001-02. Among all acts, Of Monsters and Men's 'Little Talks' took the most scenic route to the top 40: 30 weeks last year [2012]." That means there are at least three songs by women between "Can't Fight the Moonlight" and "Cups" not listed, and likely without any source to back such info right now, with perhaps additional songs in between by other acts. In glancing through some random charts in 2002, I discovered Sean Paul's "Gimme The Light" took 24 weeks to reach the top 40. Where it ranks among the overall list of longest climbs to the top 40, I have no idea (but definitely in between "Can't Fight..." and "Cups"). There definitely are more to list, but without any references at this time. My thought right now is to remove this category, since the list is quite incomplete, and sources are lacking to complete it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree. It seems a bit excessive for the page, plus it's only for solo women and not men or bands? Too specific. Just cause there's a billboard article about it doesn't mean there has to be a section about it. --dnsla23 17:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * THANK YOU. In fact, *many* of these sections are a little too specific and bordering on WP:IINFO.  It seems every Chart Beat column ends up being a new section in this article.  And if it has incomplete data, it's best to remove it altogether IMHO. - eo (talk) 17:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Category deleted, per discussion. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Top 5 positions milestone not acknowledged, where is it ?
An issue date in September stated that the top 5 positions on the Billboard Hot 100 were all held by women. Isn't this noteworthy ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.65.124 (talk) 21:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

First, thank you for going to the talk page and asking us first before editing the page. To answer your question, this is not really noteworthy enough for this page. We'd have to address other parallel statements, what if the top 5 were all black people? or all English people? So it's too specific to add to this page. Additionally, this is a chart-related item, which doesn't fit with the page's artist/song focused methodology.--dnsla23 02:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Many lists are getting too long for this page
There needs to be a limit to some of the lists. Many have been getting much longer because of the trends in recent times and changes in Billboard's computations to include youtube, etc. Maybe keep only the top 10?

Sections to be considered:

Most consecutive weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten

Most total weeks on the Hot 100

Biggest jump to number one

Biggest single-week upward movements

Longest climbs to number one

Biggest drops off the Hot 100

--dnsla23 19:49, 28 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Am about to trim the Most total weeks on the Hot 100 section to just the ten longest runs, as the list is definitely too long now to be holding every song that spent at least one year on the chart. Thankfully I'm getting to this before Katy Perry's "Dark Horse" (possible 52nd week with the next Hot 100 scheduled for release tomorrow) and John Legend's "All Of Me" (possible 49th week) were to become eligible for listing. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Section has now been trimmed, and the bar has been raised from 53 weeks to 62 to make this list (as 62 weeks is where 10th place sits right now.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd love to see "Most consecutive weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten" bite the dust. Really?  Can we split hairs even more?  How about "Most Consecutive Weeks at Number 14 After Debuting Below Number 78"? - eo (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * LOL, I was thinking just that before I came back to the talk page to read your comment, eo. I'm thinking that category is grounds for removal, per WP:IINFO. But will see if dnsla also agrees. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd remove it too.--dnsla23 08:13, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

"Most consecutive weeks in top ten after debuting in top ten" category deleted, per discussion. ("Overly intricate stat" is how I explained it in the edit summary.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

"Counting Stars" is now on its 66th week. Stellards20 (talk) 11:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Do these counter each other, or are they different side of one coin?
The #1 song in the first week Billboard allowed songs without a commercial single release to chart on the Hot 100 was "I'm Your Angel" by R. Kelly & Céline Dion (December 5, 1998). Though the song was making its first appearance on the Hot 100 that week, Billboard did not consider it a debut at #1, since it appeared on unpublished test charts prior to the allowance of airplay-only songs on the main chart.[88] "I'm Your Angel" also entered the Hot 100 Singles Sales chart that week at #1,[89] so it would have been ineligible to chart on the Hot 100 before then.

The first "airplay-only" song to reach #1 (no points from a commercial single release) was "Try Again" by Aaliyah (June 17, 2000).--dnsla23 02:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)


 * The intent of the first statement is to parallel the two previous statements from the section, as in their being significant milestone weeks of the Hot 100. August 4, 1958 was the first week of the chart; November 30, 1991 was the first week when Nielsen Soundscan and BDS data were incorporated into the chart; and December 5, 1998 was the first week that airplay-only songs were allowed to chart. (It just happened that "I'm Your Angel" became commercially available as a single around the same week that airplay-only songs appeared on the Hot 100 for the first time; even if it did not have a single then, the song likely would've still appeared on the chart, at a much lower position.) The other statement is a milestone of a different nature, though it would not have happened without the changes of December 5, 1998. The first statement's presence can explain a little about the "Try Again" milestone, but in that sense is not essential. But again, the first statement is to establish a significant milestone of the chart itself. As for the question posed in the section heading, I am unclear on what you're asking. MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, this was very helpful explaining these two milestones. Especially like that you had a big picture in mind. --dnsla23 16:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * The Celine and R. Kelly thing always seems to cause confusion because on the week that Billboard changed the policy, they displayed "last week" and "2 weeks ago" columns from data on (previously unpublished) test charts that they were using behind the scenes. "I'm Your Angel" was released as a single that very week, and in the print issue, it appeared as if it jumped from 46-1 (indicating that, as an airplay-only song, it ranked 46).  In reality, it was a #1 debut because it was nowhere on the Hot 100 the week prior.  I have no idea why Billboard's columnists ignore this fact, at least to put an asterisk next to the event.  The test chart numbers were used to give readers an indication of how things were increasing/decreasing with airplay-only data included, even tho those test charts don't really "count".  It's an odd occurrence. - eo (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Most top 10 - footnote needs to be resolved
The Wikipedia page on the Andrews Sisters claims they had 46 Top 10 hits, which agrees with the discography it lists. If Elvis's pre-Top 100 hits are counted, then why not theirs? 104.172.100.61 (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC) "NOTE: If counting singles whose A-sides and B-sides have both charted as separate Top 10 entries then Elvis Presley would be tied for most, with 38 Top 10 songs, and Janet Jackson's stats would increase to 28. The totals for Madonna, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, and so on would remain as is."

This is a very vague note on this section. What is this about Elvis? I bet The Beatles' B-sides that charted top 10 are included in their count. Billboard has the definitive answer on Janet. The rest needs to be eliminated.

On page http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5557800/hot-100-55th-anniversary-by-the-numbers-top-100-artists-most-no

Most Top 10 Hits By Artist The artists with the most top 10 hits on the Hot 100. Madonna	38 The Beatles	34 Michael Jackson	28 Stevie Wonder	28 Mariah Carey	27 Janet Jackson	27

Thoughts? --dnsla23 02:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * Regarding Janet Jackson, and that footnote above (which I see has just been taken out of the article), her tally would increase from 27 to 28, not because of A and B sides charting separately, but because that supposed additional top 10 hit was the song "State of the World" from her Rhythm Nation 1814 album, which could've given her a record eighth top 10 from that album, except that it did not make the Hot 100 because it was not commercially available as a single (it did make the top 10 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart, though). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I seem to be having a counting problem with Janet's hits, because I'm coming up with 28 even after I discount "State of the World". I better list her hits to make sure I've got the count right (which includes duets, collabs, and featured credits): (1) What Have You Done For Me Lately - #4; (2) Nasty - #3; (3) When I Think Of You - #1; (4) Control - #5; (5) Let's Wait Awhile - #2; (6) Diamonds (Herb Alpert with Janet Jackson) - #5; (7) Miss You Much - #1; (8) Rhythm Nation - #2; (9) Escapade - #1; (10) Alright - #4; (11) Come Back to Me - #2; (12) Black Cat - #1; (13) Love Will Never Do (Without You) - #1; (14) The Best Things in Life Are Free (Luther Vandross/Janet Jackson/Bell Biv Devoe/Ralph Tresvant) - #10; (15) That's The Way Love Goes - #1; (16) If - #4; (17) Again - #1; (18) Because of Love - #10; (19) Any Time Any Place/And On And On - #2; (20) You Want This/70s Love Groove - #8; (21) Scream (Michael & Janet Jackson duet) - #5; (22) Runaway - #3; (23) Together Again - #1; (24) I Get Lonely (featuring Blackstreet) - #3; (25) What's it Gonna Be?! (Busta Rhymes featuring Janet Jackson) - #3; (26) Doesn't Really Matter - #1; (27) All For You - #1; (28) Someone to Call My Lover - #3. In any case, I don't see how that footnote would tie in to affecting the tally. Edit: those songs I listed above all made the top 10 on the Hot 100 for Ms. Jackson, in case anyone is confused. Edit 2: I added external links for each song to point to the Hot 100 charts where the song can be found (peak position). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

To start - great background research!! I see your point here, I also see 28. I don't fully know why Billboard says 27, but it does. Think about it, should we question Billboard's published information even though we came to different conclusions on our own? This is kind of like Elvis' Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog single. Originally it was thought of as a double A single, then sometime later thought of as two separate number one hits. This greatly affects the Most number ones box. So what do we choose? Whatever Billboard tells us. In Janet's case, it's 27. --dnsla23 06:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)
 * Until Billboard says otherwise, we need to stick to their current count of 27 for Janet, though I'm curious whether their chart statistics department overlooked something, or which one of the 28 they are not counting toward her tally. My guess is one of these: "Diamonds", "The Best Things in Life Are Free", "Scream", or "What's it Gonna Be". Per a previous discussion about what songs to count toward an artist (like with the "Simultaneous three or more singles in the top 10" category), we should not distinguish whether the artist was in a lead or featured role for a song, or if the artist was part of a duet or collab as long as that artist is given credit. I'm sure Billboard also follows this course, given how they have tallied Rihanna's hits. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)