Talk:List of Bleach episodes/Archive 1

Synopsis
Ive been wanting to add some episode information to this, a small synopsis of each episode next to the current information. Ive got the every aired episode and could add the information myself but does anyone have any information about formatting the table that would make it look good? --Seth Turner 09:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC) Ive worked the formatting out and am about to begin, will prbably take a few hours i will update every ten eps or so so sorry if new work is overwritten in the process. --Seth Turner 14:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay up to episode 20. Taking a break until tomorow, feel free to help out or clean up. --Seth Turner 15:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay starting up again. Thanks Ynhockey for you help. I will be more carefull, and use the predetermined naming conventions.--Seth Turner 12:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Template change
Sometime soon, i'll be changing the template for these episodes to the one seen in List of Samurai Champloo episodes 1-12. I'm going to try and get it done soon, but it might take a while. -- Makaio 20:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be fine, but keep in mind that for that format to work effectively you need a summary for every episode, otherwise it's just a bloated version of the current format. Are you willing to write all the summaries? Because I'm not (for now, anyway). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OBJECTION!!! A list of the current 88 Bleach episodes with detailed summaries on par with those in the article you linked to would be 344 kb long. Just to give you an idea of how long that is, the longest WP page, according to Special:Longpages, is only 349 kb long. You would have written the longest WP article ever by the time we hit episode 90. Cutting down the size by writing briefer summaries is of course possible, but unless you gave a summary of only 1-3 sentences per episode, it would still be obscenely long, and if you did give only 1-3 sentences per episode, why bother with the bloated new template anyway? --tjstrf 21:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm not going to be writing the huge episode summaries that I did on the Champloo page. What I will be doing is make a short and concise summary for each episode that is about as long as the ones that currently exist. No photos, no special stuff... just the summary. That is nothing new, the new stuff, is the separate pages that will have to be created. -- Makaio 22:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. this already looks better than the way it did. I think. -- Makaio 22:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, that first arc is the only one i'll be doing today... maybe i'll get the original airdates in later tonight after work... but anyway, this has been done to see what the template will look like, I believe it looks fine, and that this fairly ambitious project will keep me busy in my early afternoons. If there are any concerns, don't worry, I'm fairly maleable... not physically though. -- Makaio 22:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Summaries for Arc 2
I'm going to finish putting in the summaries for the second arc before I add the new template to the 3rd Arc. The summaries do need copyediting and wikifying... same as the rest of the article. I'll keep everyone updated as I go along, but for now I'm focussing on cleaning up the first and second arc. -- Makaio 00:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Arc 3
I can't really remember what happened in some of the episodes for this arc. And I can't find any downloads to refresh my memory either, so when I finish this section, ynhockey or somebody else will have to do at least 5 episode summaries... sorry, but it's better than making up what happened. -- Makaio 06:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, you're writing these from memory? Isn't that a rather bad idea? Fortunately, I do have every episode of bleach so far. I'll add it to my list of things to do. --tjstrf 08:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, I downloaded the ep's I made summaries for, but for some reason 44-50 are almost non existant in the world of downloads, so if you could do them, it would be really cool. -- Makaio 06:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been doing a Marathon of Bleach, and checking as I finish each episode. So far all the previously entered ones are accurate, and I've been filling in the missing ones. I just finished 67 and have copies of all through 79. - Hellmark 20:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good work. -- Makaio 07:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
A big thank you to sandstorm6299, for expanding the template to all the other episodes. It is an incredibly mind numbing task and it was very kind of him to help. -- Makaio 23:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Just helping out. Sandstorm6299 16:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Another thank you goes out to ynhockey for all the editing he's been doing. I got some new episodes in so i'll be adding more summaries soon to keep you busy when you get back from Lebanon. -- Makaio 02:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm in a base close to Ashkelon so I am occasionally dispatched close to Gaza for traffic direction/control (directing our traffic so they don't take the wrong turn but instead end up in the combat/supply/whatever zone)... the joys of being in the military police... But I go home relatively often, as a non-combat. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, can you please write long 'o's and 'u's properly? (ō and ū, respectively.) It will save a great deal of time. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 03:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that. I didn't really check back immediately on some of the stuff put down recently, sorry you had to do that big copyedit. -- Makaio 09:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Bount arc
Alright, one month and 35 summaries later, we're at the bount arc. I don't have beginning episodes of this arc all the way up until Ichigo and company meet Ho and Ban. So if anyone has them, please do them, it would be nice. -- Makaio 22:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Filler
I'm an avid watcher of the Bleach anime but I have just started reading the manga. Can someone inform me when the filler episodes begin in the anime? Thanks a lot. 132.203.54.36 17:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Episode 63 is the last before the filler, as stated in the article. --Pentasyllabic 18:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Can someone tell me if eps 110+ are also fillers? or is it the end of the fillers?

109 marks the end of the fillers--129.2.239.251 05:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Most episode summaries complete
I've finished most of the summaries all the way up to episode 92. I'm still trying to find Bleach episodes that I still haven't made summaries for, after that I will start rewriting summaries for the first season. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate a good copyedit and some opinions on the summaries. Like if the summaries are too long, or if they don't make sense, tell me. -- Makaio 06:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Dub episode titles
Since the episode titles for the Bleach dub seem to be quite different from the original Japanese translations, perhaps we should go the route of most other anime episode lists on Wikipedia and have both the English dub episode title and the translated title instead of just replacing the translated titles? -- Mumbo230 10:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, replacing the original titles is pointless. --tjstrf 07:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, lemme check out some of the ways other anime's have done it and i'll get right on it.
 * Ok, so I don't know why the person who added the english titles and airdates didn't just put the translations in the japanese titles, but whatever. It's done now, I think anyone editing can follow what's been done. -- Makaio 04:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Arc Names and Divisions
Arc names and divisions should not really be in this article unless there is some reliable source to cite; there's no basis for them and they are inconsistently titled/divided (4 here, 3 on the main Bleach (manga) page). I really think the most we should be doing is noting which episodes are filler. Dekimasu 13:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what the official arc names are, nor do I know if they are in the right place. The random people without user names added those in. But the arc names provide useful breaks so that you don't have to scroll through all the episode summaries. So let's keep them for now and make corrections to them as we go, the ambitious part of making all the episode summaries is over, now all thats left is smoothing over the creases. -- Makaio 04:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I am pretty sure there are no official names. The really arbitrary one here is splitting the time in Soul Society into two arcs; it would make much more sense to take out "the rescue series," since there doesn't seem to be anything distinguishing it from the "the sneak entry." If anything, it's most simply the "save rukia" arc. I still think it would be good to mark the fillers as filler. Dekimasu 16:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's important to mark fillers as fillers - unless it's done in a small way, like a notice at the beginning of the section. There should definitely not be a section titled something like: Bount arc (filler) or Bount arc (non-canon) because this list deals with the anime and therefore manga information is less relevant. More importantly, one of the target audiences of this list are anime watchers who don't read the manga, and therefore it's not crucial to insert the filler notice. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's important to note which anime episodes are not based on the authors work. The difference in story quality is something you will want to know about in the episode guide. All of the anime is based directly on the author's manga but the shows created as filler can make the story hard to both harder to understand and less enjoyable than the original authors work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.189.107 (talk) 07:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, so anyway, are you guys looking forward to reverting alot of stuff this weekend? -- Makaio 21:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Every third, fourth, and fifth Bleach DVD has the arcs name written in English. So far there's AGENT of the SOUL REAPER, The Sneak Entry Series, The Rescue Series, and The Bount Series. In Japanese it's 死神代行篇, 尸魂界・潜入篇, 尸魂界・救出篇, and バウント篇. So what we should use on Wikipedia is: The Agent of the Soul Reaper Arc (1~20), Soul Society: The Rescue Arc (21~41), Soul Society: The Escape Arc (42~63), and The Bount Arc (64~79). The fifth DVD for The Bount Arc ends with episode 79, so episodes 80+ are of a different arc.


 * Unlike the first three arcs, the Bount arc has surpassed five DVD. So the Bount arc is 64~1??.Aarc one is 20 episodes long, arc two is 21, arc three is 22, and so far, arc four is 40 episodes long. The Bount arc is about twice as long as normal.

Meat In the Lines
Makaio's comments in the edits brought up an important point that I've been trying to make: You can't have it both ways without making new articles! This page is part of the WikiProject List of Television Episodes, and take a look at any of the featured articles... do you see any of them with meaty sentences for the list page? No! If you want to add "meats" to the episode, make a new article with all the meat you want while maintaining neutrality! The featured articles are featured for a reason... and don't you think we should try to head for that direction? -- Finestela 01:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I plan on retrimming those sections, because we really don't need all of that info in a list. --tjstrf 01:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Look guys, I'm just thinking of what is the best summary for an episode. I'm not looking at the size... I'm looking at the quality. Kinda like the popular male-reasurance saying, "It's not the size, it's how you use it". I genuinely liked the edits that were made on all of the other episode summaries, they were crisp, clear, and concise; and I agree that epiosdes need trimming cause I expand way too much.

But the first two episodes felt like I was watching a narrative from the vernacular of the juggaknot: "This mofo Ichigo saves this lil bitch's spirit, then this crazy ho rukia ties his ass up, then he stabs her and takes her pimp powers, then he fucks some crazy suckanigga up. The next day Rukia acts a fuckin fool and demands shit on turf, Ichigo tells that bitch ta 'shut the fuck up!' as he caps another bitchnigga-spider hollow tryin ta get his way wit a lil boy."

I'm not kidding, I laughed my balls off when I was reading the first two episodes (shortness + imagination = weird). I will say this, Seth Turner needs to bow down and suck the toes of the person who cleaned up his other episode summaries, but the first two, were just as short and as pointless as that heap of crap up their in italics. It's not like the summaries for 1 and 2 were that long either, if you compaired them as if they were people, it's like transforming the already thin and starving looking Ichigo into a dying Etheopian.

And I'll actually address what Finestela said in this paragraph instead of randomly saying stuff. That we can't have it both ways... and I say, why not? I'll just come out and say it, we're technically working on a budget. That budget being personal willingness to contribute. And of the featured article episode lists, how many people do you think contributed consistently? 50? 100? Anyone who ever watched the show? We have maybe 4 or 5 people editing this page consistently. Also, if we are to ever try and nominate a Bleach-related article for a featured spot, Bleach (manga) would be the face of a nomination, and there are many other things to worry about other than an episode list when reviewers consider that for a featured article (although it is part of a review).

With what is entered now, we have recieved a "B" from the wikipedia anime and manga project for this article, as it is at this very moment. And this article has flaws, it is flawed up the ass. But, we have a complete list thanks to the labors of several contributing users; and it is our luxury to discuss the future of this list, rather than what still needs to be added to the list. So i'll say it again, I'm looking at quality, not quantity, I think ynhockey understood that and kindly fixed some of my stuff when I revisited it. So i'll leave it at that and look for a response sometime tomorrow after I get off work. -- Makaio has Jeans! 07:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm just not so fond with the idea of "gradual clean up" so that we would finally reach the point of GA or A in a year or so (exaggeration, in case you're not getting it :P). If we're cleaning it up, why not just do it once and be done with it?


 * Granted, I HATE (not exaggerating) the way they did it in Oh My Goddess and Fullmetal Alchemist, which is why I'm actually modeling after Planetes + a bit more meat.


 * There are reasons why I'm deleting some of the phrases in ep. 1. Those things (Ichigo's age, house being clinic) are basic info that's irrelevent to the story! They're good info to know, yes, but as far as short, straight-to-the-point episode description is concern, they're not playing a huge part or have a huge impact on the story itself.


 * Of course, I agree there are parts (such as the part Rukia being wounded while trying to protect Ichigo's family) I've failed to include that should stay. However, I still believe that each episode description/short summary should simply include:
 * Basic plot
 * Side plot, if any
 * Conclusion
 * Leading into next episode, if any
 * Very simple definition/explanation of new and important terms that's tied directly with the plot (hollow, modify soul, Quincy, etc.)


 * For additional info, they should obtain it either by watching the episode or reading the article on the persons/places/terms.


 * Nevertheless, how much "meat" we should retain isn't really what we should be focusing on for now (we can revisit this issue AFTER we're done with the initial cleaning up, which may be weeks ahead, as a new wave of first-timers are coming... :P). I'm more concerned on who (singular and/or plural) will be doing the screenies for each episode... or if we're going to just stick the DVD cover for those with DVD out already... -- Finestela


 * Well there lies the problem we have between this episode list and individual articles. The "meat" is only about 2 paragraphs worth on average for about half of the episode summaries. If we were to make the individual episode summaries following the example on Planetes, most, if not all episode summaries would be a paragraph of stub... and I don't see why good info should be striken from a summary, especially when individual articles really seem out of the question as of right now. As for screencaps, I have some episodes so i'll look through and see what could be useful. -- Makaio 20:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ep. 1's summary is too long and looks out of place compared to the others, and has some excessive info. We don't really need Fishbone D's name, for instance. --tjstrf 22:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

English Airdates
The English Airdates listed are not correct. Currently it is following when Cartoon Network's Adult Swim airs each English dub episode for the first time, but YTV's Bionix actually premieres each episode a day before it airs on Cartoon Network. So it should list the dates when YTV airs them.

From Bleach (manga): "The English version of the Bleach anime premiered on Canada's YTV channel in the Bionix program block on September 8, 2006 at 10:30 p.m. EDT. This represented the show's official debut in North America. Cartoon Network's Adult Swim will begin airing the Bleach anime on September 9, 2006 at 12:30 a.m. EDT..." --Silver Edge 00:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I see you have already done the changes and I just want to give my support for this. The dates are there to say when an English episode was debuted which in this case is the Canadian release which is exactly the same as the USA one just one day earlier. Gdo01 01:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah! Take that all you date schticklers! -- Makaio 05:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the English Airdates to the proper correct dates once again. Please keep in mind that in Canada, YTV's Bionix premieres each English dub episode of Bleach on Fridays, a day before it airs on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.

From the Media information section at Bleach (manga): "The English version of the Bleach anime premiered on Canada's YTV channel in the Bionix program block on September 8, 2006 at 10:30 p.m. ET. This represented the show's official debut in North America. Cartoon Network's Adult Swim began airing Bleach the following evening at 12:30 a.m. ET; the show has subsequently been moved to the midnight timeslot."

Also from the Anime section at Bleach media and materials: "Bleach began broadcasting in Canada on September 8, 2006 on YTV and in the United States the following evening 12:30 a.m. on Adult Swim. Beginning October 29, 2006, Bleach will be airing on the 12:00 EST time slot." --Silver Edge 10:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

YTV's Bionix premiered episode 16 on Friday, December 22, 2006, and episode 17 is premiering on January 5, 2007, because YTV aired an InuYasha movie in Bleach's timeslot on December 29 2006. http://www.ytv.com/programming/shows/bleach/

Due to the two week holiday hiatus, Cartoon Network's Adult Swim is airing episode 16 on January 6 2007, and episode 17 airs on January 13 (based on the Adult Swim schedule).

Currently, YTV is premiering new Bleach episodes a week earlier than Cartoon Network, instead of a day earlier.

--Silver Edge 04:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

YTV's Bionix didn't air episode 27 on March 16 2007, they reran episode 1 instead, and they are airing episode 2 on March 23. So as of March 16, YTV is airing reruns of Bleach. http://www.ytv.com/programming/schedule/showinfo.asp?showid=Bleach

Cartoon Network's Adult Swim will be premiering episode 27 on Sunday, March 25 (Adult Swim considers it Saturday, March 24 on their TV schedule, but since Bleach airs on Sundays at 12:00 a.m., it's actually March 25). So starting with episode 27, the English airdates have been changed to indicate when Adult Swim premieres each episode.

Since Adult Swim premieres Bleach episodes on Sundays at 12:00 a.m., the English airdates given for episodes 27+ are the actual dates the episodes are aired on (Sundays not Saturdays). http://www.adultswim.com/schedule/index.html

--Silver Edge 23:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

airdates
mhmm there's an error on the airdates of all the episodes it says the anime began on 2006 and it's 2005
 * The Viz dub begain airing in 2006. The Japanese version originally dubbed in 2004. These are the correct dates. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Arc 5
Can someone please explain what's going on? Every time I check this page it's different. Either 109 is Arc 5 or not.
 * It's hard to tell so far. I think it's safe to leave the page in any state until the issue is cleared. My personal speculation is that it's not arc 5 yet. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have any indication to whether Arc 5 itself will be the beginning of the long-awaited arrancar arc or another long filler arc? 194.106.93.112 17:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A filler arc is not likely considering the OPs and EDs of the Bount arc already show some arrancar, also the manga has gone far ahead of the anime series by now in order not to need a filler arc. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest we remove it from the "Arc 5" section b/c it is pure speculation at this point. Based on synopses I have heard, it will be a wrap up episode. My personal opinion says this arc is coming to a close (they are rushing the episodes at this point), but we must not dive into the realm of speculation. The great kawa 19:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "The Terrifying Transfer Student"? Could this be Shinji? (and, by proxy, the Arrancar arc?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.239.179.12 (talk • contribs).
 * The two week break between 108 and 109 is currently the only proof that 109 is a separate arc. As for the above poster, all signs point to Shinji but we don't know yet. Gdo01 17:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Since 108 ends with "to be continued" I propose 109 be moved to arc 4. 110 will then be the beginning of arc 5, the long-awaited "arrancar arc", as stated in the latest issue of Shonen Jump with the sentence "on Januray 10th the Arrancar will rush in". 194.106.93.120 18:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Keep episode 109 in the Bountou Arc, as it clearly is part of that arc.  The great kawa  21:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Split the Bount Arc??
Should the Bount Arc be split into TWO arcs, one covering their time in the human world and the other their time in Soul Society? It seems to me that the Bount Arc is about twice as long as the other arcs, and there is a definite demarcation that could be used a split... Famartin 19:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, even though it is a large arc we would only confuse people into thinking there are two separate arcs. The way the arcs are labeled now are perfectly fine anyway. -- Makaio 21:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking the same thing sometime back. 1st Section marked: Bounto Arc and 2nd section marked: Bounto Arc: Soul Society Break In. But if you wanna leave it as it is, I'm not going to argue. RedEyesMetal 15:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should change it just yet, until there is some official note about the Bount arc being split and its official name(s), like for the "Soul Society: The Sneak Entry" arc and "Soul Society: The Rescue" arc. 리지강.wa.au 09:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The second part of the Bount arc has an official English title now. "Bount Assault On Soul Society" http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=ANSB-2502
 * Since the arc has been split, I'm modifying the opening paragraph stating that the filler material encompasses the Bount arcs. -- Byakuren 23:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Ichigo's Bankai
Which episode shows Ichigo achieving his bankai? I can't find it. 65.91.5.90 23:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No episode, or manga chapter, showed him actually achieving it. He was training for it with Zangetsu, wasn't seen for a little while, and then showed up at the execution ready to fight Byakuya with it. The listings should say which episode he used bankai against Byakuya was... it's somewhere in the 50s.159.134.216.87 22:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Little late: Ichigo's training; 45,47,48,51. Ichigo's appearance: 54. Ichigo's Bankai: 58 Ge4ce 05:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Episode 110+ airdates wrong?
It seems that the Japanese Bleach episodes air on Thursdays now. (With the time difference it is technically still Wednesday in America). The dates listed for 110+ seem to be a day early, because they are Wednesdays. Or are they supposed to be in American time? AllUltima 02:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The raw was out midday here in America, so the date is correct. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You've got it backward. When it is Wednesday at 12:01 am (00:01) in Japan, it's still Tuesday in North America.  They're more than a half-day ahead.  In other words, when Bleach airs Wednesday evening in Japan, in North America it is around mid-day on Wednesday. –Gunslinger47 09:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You're just being thrown off because ONE episode aired on Thursday, the first episode for this year. Bleach still airs on it's normal Wednesday time slot otherwise, it was a one time event. 69.115.38.228 17:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)mako

The Summary of Episode 111
"Ichigo decides to leave to check it (1) out, but not before turning down Shinji's offer (2)."

What it?

What offer?

Delirium tremens 201.80.183.134 02:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Changed to "invitation". –Gunslinger47 06:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Arc Summary
I would like to suggest adding an arc summary to each arc. At the moment, what I see is a whole bunch of tables, and there seems to no break between them. The table seem to go on forever, and sometimes, I actually just scroll over a heading without even noticing it. For example, what we currently have is:

Agent of the Shinigami arc
With a slight change, we could have something like this:

Agent of the Shinigami arc
Ichigo meets Rukia in which his Shinigami powers are awoken. Rukia is soon detained by Soul Soceity for breaking the law. Ichigo and his friends Inoue, Sado and Ishida, together with the help of Urahara, set about attempting to rescue her from the death penalty. The arc featured 20 episodes and covered 70 chapters of the manga.

It is just a small overview of what the arc is about, and perhaps some general facts about it, just to give some gap between the large tables. And perhaps also different colours for each arc to symbolise the change in arc would be good too? 리지강.wa.au 19:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, I understand that it is all orange, since orange is somewhat the semi-"official" colour of the show, but having solely orange is a bit of an overkill, I think.리지강.wa.au 19:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem is, nothing really goes with orange but black. Ergo the shinigami uniform colour choice. --tjstrf talk 23:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Separate articles?
Shouldn't there be articles for each episode, as is done for Naruto? 71.203.209.0 03:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's largely a matter of the size of the page containing the list of episodes. If there happens to be sufficient content for each episode, or enough episodes that the article becomes cumbersomely large, it would be appropriate to split it into seperate seasons, or individual episodes.  Many shows articles' have this done unnecessarily, though.  Someguy1221 03:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that we may need to split this page someday into smaller articles, but definitely not an article per episode. This will serve no purpose except complication and a magnet for vandalism. Moreover, Bleach (and other anime) episodes generally don't have enough out-of-universe information, such as cultural references, etc. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Template change or modify current template to allow screenshots?
I was wondering if you guys could use the Template talk:List of Anime Ep TV template. Or if you don't like it maybe make space for screenshots?  AVTN  T  CVPS 16:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The current template already allows for screenshot usage. It would only need to be modified to include a slot. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

DVD Covers
i think we should set this is up like the manga chapters are set up and put them with which ep go with volume, etc..... 172.193.72.208 01:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Episode summaries
Anyone else think that the summaries of a few episodes in the Soul Society:Sneaking, Soul Society: Rescue and Bounto Arc are slighta long? eZio 20:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Split proposal
I would like to propose that we split this page up into sub-articles by arc, as the current article is nearly 150 kb long and as a result will never be turned into a consistently written piece capable of passing WP:FL. It's also far too long to read at a single sitting, so it's never going to be copyedited properly in its current state.

After removal into its own page, each arc would be replaced on this page with concise prose (read: 3 paragraphs per arc), perhaps illustrated a bit, and generally made into a coherent summary style master list. --tjstrf talk 07:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, however, great care should be taken in naming these new arc-based articles. I can't remember, do we have official names for the arcs? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, there's no official names for the arcs. Naming them List of Bleach episodes (Season X) would be preferable. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 16:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If we don't have official arc names then where did the ones we're using on the page come from? --tjstrf talk 17:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Official names? There listed on the DVDs right? Just like this page has been done. Agent of The Soul reaper, Soul Society, Soul Society the break-in etc. RedEyesMetal 08:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Huh, it looks like Viz retitled arc 1 as "The Substitute". Perhaps we should also switch? --tjstrf talk 08:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that only refers to the first four episodes. The first arc is probably called something different. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they've used it for all 5 arc 1 DVDs. --tjstrf talk 16:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say listing by season would be more appropriate. Listing in fictional context is nice, but the page needs to differentiate between broadcast seasons in the media. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Broadcast seasons are arbitrary cutoffs by date, and not reflected in the actual DVD releases which group entirely by arc. --tjstrf talk 09:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Still, they should be listed. Even if they're arbitrary, it's important to note how the series is divided in broadcast terms, as well as terms of continuity. I'd accept not sorting by them, however. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Broadcast seasons vary in length though. Would we be speaking of US 22 episode seasons, or their Japanese equivalents? We have one article, Cour, that says Japanese TV programs define 13 episodes as a season, I don't think that really has any bearing on perpetually ongoing series to begin with. --tjstrf talk 00:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Though they do vary in length, seasons are still static. Between US or Japan, Bleach's episodes in a season won't change. Listing them wouldn't exactly be hard. It could be done in the same manner as List of Bleach chapters, except using ";" instead of a header. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The arcs are static, but by my reading I believe that by US denotation Bleach season 1 is 01-22, while the JP denotation the first season is 01-13.
 * The one other logical cutoff point for season 1 we can find, that isn't the arc, would be episode 25, when they stopped using asterisk as the theme song. --tjstrf talk 05:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, in that case listing them would be somewhat problematic. Probably better off on the media page then. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

First arc page created, check it out. --tjstrf talk 22:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Specials
Do we have pages with more detailed information on the OVAs/Specials? 12.218.194.72 00:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, we don't. // Decaimiento Poético  01:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * When what is known can be summed up in such short order, there's no need to. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you summed it up better than I could. I was gonna add more to my comment, but I'm more of a plain-and-simple kinda guy when it comes to questions like this, ya know? // Decaimiento Poético  01:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Split New Fillers?
Should the new fillers - 128+, be put into their own arc? - 220.237.226.121 07:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably. Let's see how long it plans to drag out.  If it's only a few episodes (*crosses fingers*) then there is not much need. –Gunslinger47 04:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The titles suggest this randomness won't make a coherent arc beyond the next two episodes. Hitsugaya's playing soccer with Karin after that. There won't be a practical way to split them. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope, seems to be filler in its truest sense right now, just nonsense thrown in to take up time. Fortunately for us, the manga is picking up. Unless they do a soccer tournament arc, of course.
 * Speaking of Karin, why is one of the strongest potential shinigami in the series sitting around beating up hollows with a soccer ball instead of, I dunno, training for bankai?
 * Yeah, not a forum, I know, but the non-use of Karin as a serious fighter has always annoyed me. --tjstrf talk 04:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless Hitsugaya decides to pull a Rukia/Ichigo on her during the match, I can't see that training progressing very quickly. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My personal Bleach fantasy world has Hollow Ichigo half-killing her after he takes over Ichigo's body to win Ichigo vs. Aizen, actually. --tjstrf talk 07:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The logistics of how that battle would somehow manage to be within striking range of Karin notwithstanding, that does sound cool. 07:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I glossed over the bit where Ichigo vanishes for several years after the Aizen battle. He then shows up at home, seemingly sane, but snaps and is barely fended off by Isshin. (Speaking of which, do we have an article on timeskip?) --tjstrf talk 07:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Your redlink would seem to suggest no. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So I see. I suppose I could write one, if I could find any references for it. They're certainly widely used enough to be a notable plot device. --tjstrf talk 08:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * According to 2ch anime will be back to "source material" in September (remember that it's anonymous board). So it's about 9-12 episodes Pahajoki 09:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If an episode is filler, we should indicate that next to the title. - Renegade78 21:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, get off your obsession with marking filler. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, what's the harm. Renegade78 06:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Re-indent. Because it's irrelevant. It can be noted in the introduction that the episodes were filler, but there is no need to put that into every single episode summary.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 07:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not? Many prefer to only watch episodes based soley off the manga. What's the harm in simply indicating if an episode is filler? Renegade78 06:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Because you can indicate it in one sentence in the lead instead of seven odd mentions in the episode list.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 06:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At this point, I'm thinking it needs to be split. –Gunslinger47 22:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Episode 136 is a filler. =( It looks like its going to be a long time until the fillers end. We should split. -ScotchMB 03:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it really does need to split...>.<Do you think 137 is still a filler?-- Hana ichi  04:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, 137 is a filler. Can't very well go back to non-filler mid-story. As for the topic, there's still not enough to split. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Episode 138 is not a filler, and there is no use to split the new fillers with only 9 episodes.HARTEBEEST, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

scheduling?
episode 136 and 137 have/are coming out every other week. does anyone know if this trend is going to continue, or is it just for a few episodes?
 * Probably a few episodes only. I'm quite sure its just to give the animators time to do more fillers.-- Hana ichi  04:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that the anime is seriously catching up to the manga. -ScotchMB 13:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

bount(o) arc
did tite kubo work on it or was he just working on manga while the fillers were being made —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.113.186 (talk) 00:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think he had a role in consulting the anime creators, but he didn't actually write the arc. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 00:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Naming of New arc.
Okay, seeing as Bleach 140 was released (showing Orihime leaving the Human World), somebody has split the episode list from The Arrancar Arc into The Arrancar: Conquistadors arc and The Arrancar: Hueco Mundo arc. Okay, I am not so smart so somebody please explain the word "Conquistadors"? Does it mean conquer or something? And I think The Arrancar: Hueco Mundo arc doesn't make much sense though, it should be The Hueco Mundo arc. Thoughts?-- Hana ichi  08:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First, to find out what a conquistador is, you could have just performed a search in Wikipedia (or, just use the conveniently included link I just made...). Second, I would argue that the split should be when Ichigo, Ishida and Chado actually invade Hueco Mundo... not at Episode 140. Famartin 09:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, yup it should be when Ichigo-tachi invade Hueco Mundo.-- Hana ichi  10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hum, shouldn't it be Conquistadores, as in Spanish? --Boyfrommars 15:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is need to split Arrancar arc, since we get filler arc (メノスの森編, Forest of Menos) starting at episode 137. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pahajoki (talk • contribs) 07:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, Forest of Menos. Well, we could actually do something like what the Naruto people did, split Beggining; Soul Society, two minor arcs there; Bount, 2 arcs there; and Arrancar, the begining, filler and end. -- Hana ichi  07:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, 143 was officially launched yesterday. Viewing Ichigo, Sado and Ishida walking on a "spirit particle" made road (in a hole called: "Garganta") going to Hueco Mundo. We can most likely expect them to be there in episode 144. Ge4ce 15:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The opening and ending themes change in 144. We can safely make the separation there.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 17:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Correct Names, Terms, and Arcs!!
I really do need to say that the names and terms are spelled incorrectly. For example, Ichigo's full name should be spelled, "Kurosaki Ichigo", not "Ichigo Kurosaki." For the sake of all anime and to the fans out there, please do not use dubbed names because it just does not sound right. As for the Arcs, the first arc should be called, "Hollow Arc." The second arc should be called, "Soul Society Arc." The third arc should be called, "Bounto Arc." The fourth arc, which is the current arc should be called, "Aizen Arc." The Hollow Arc should be episodes 1-20, Soul Society Arc should be episodes 21-63, Bounto Arc should be episodes 64-109, and the Aizen Arc should be 110-current, which is 142, however there is more episode titles so it's fine. You shouldnt split up the Soul Society and the Bounto arcs into two separate arcs within itself because there not supposed to be split that way. I know some of you out there enjoy watching dubbed anime and I suppose thats fine, however, please do not post dubbed names on here otherwise a lot of people are going to start remembering them as dubbed names and that is not something that should happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryo723 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoa whoa ok, let's see.. Wikipedia's Manual of Style says that names should be in Western order, and then after that the addition of their name in Japanese order. As much as I would like to have it the Japanese way as well, the MoS clearly states it that way. If you want it changed then you could go discuss with them about this issue. As for the arcs, well, I'm quite sure the name that have been given in the page are from the DVDs. So unless you actually find an official source, this is all we've got. 리지강.wa.au (의논하다|기여) 08:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Forest of Menos arc
I reverted it due to lack of sources to confirm it. We are starting the Hueco Mundo arc so it doesn't warrant a new arc. However, if these episodes are going to be released and if there is alot of episodes to warrant an arc, I will be happy to revert it back. Thank you. By the way, feel free to add it again, with sources though. =)  σмgн gσмg  13:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Source was included, http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0068101007.html. Name of arc was in volume 29 of manga Scan: . Second line mentions name Pahajoki 13:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But then, it should be at epi 137, which was filler, so it shouldn't be after the Hueco Mundo arc. Maybe it could be included inside the Arrancar arc instead, you know, something like Beggining, Forest of Menos and Kidnapped by the arrancar (I'm totally joking about those titles) -- Hana ichi  13:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * 137 is typo. 147 is correct. Again see webnewtype which kind of confrims that it starts at 147. Says Ichigo-tachi falls in Forest of menos Pahajoki 13:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * However, the amount of episodes that they produce doesn't warrant a new arc though.  σмgн gσмg  07:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't even see kanji characters on my computer X.X -- Hana ichi  09:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Help:Multilingual support (East Asian) - *points*. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Translated the page. Forest of Menos is an episode, not an arc. --Scorp Stanton 04:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See manga scan, it just happens that arc name is part of episode title Pahajoki 07:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How is that proof? There's no english translation nor is there any proof that it's official. Give a reference as to where that is from. "Manga Scan" doesn't tell me anything. So far, the only verifiable source you have is for the title of the episode. --Scorp Stanton 01:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Name of arc was in volume 29 of manga Scan: . Second line mentions name" Pahajoki 11:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

English Airdates (redux)
Once again, someone has changed the airdates from the YTV airdates to the Adult Swim airdates. I'm not sure when the changes were made and I don't know the YTV dates myself, but this needs to be changed back. These episodes premiere in English on YTV, not Adult Swim. --Scorp Stanton 04:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well most of the YTV airdates can be figured out by reading the section. --Silver Edge 05:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Which list are you mentioning? As I have finished checking the YTV English airdates in List of Bleach episodes, List of Bleach Agent of the Shinigami arc episodes, and List of Bleach Soul Society: The Sneak Entry arc episodes which all have the correct YTV English airdates. --Silver Edge 11:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Episode 150 Title
In the main article it's translated as "Back Here Alive" while in the Hueco Mundo Arc list it's translated as "To the place of living". Which one is the more correct translation? Big red01027 09:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Back Here Alive is more accurate, although less literal. Someone probably used Babelfish on that other one. I have changed it accordingly. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Arrancar Arc Part Duex
We might want to split the Arrancar Arc into two arcs based on the arc titles on the DVDs. (info is from here, here and here) Episodes 110-131 are part of "破面 出現" (Fracture Face Appearance; Arrancar Appearance), while episodes 132 to at least 139 are part of "破面・虚圏 潜入" (Fracture Face . Empty Circle Infiltration; Arrancar . Hueco Mundo Infiltration) --FortMax (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

English dub episodes
I was just looking to complete the list of airdates for the English dub when I found out that it actually stopped airing on October 13. What happenned? Is it like a season break or are there other reasons? Didn't DBZ's dub go uninterrupted for 7 years? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * DBZ gets preferential treatment. God knows why, their plot progression makes one want to stab themselves. To answer your question, it's on hiatus. Probably dubbing more episodes. Death Note has replaced it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

From what I heard, the dubbers were lazy and got behind, so they put it on hiatus until Death Note finished airing so the dubbers could catch up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.40.44 (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Marking Filler
Can we start putting an asterisk next to the titles of filler episodes within non-filler arcs? It is difficult to determine which ones are filler and which are not. The solution to this was to write which ones were filler in the paragraph before the arc's episode list; however, this is not happening. The Hueco Mundo arc's paragraph is a good example of effectively noting which episodes are filler, but the other arcs don't do this. I think putting an asterisk next to the title would be a faster and cleaner way of marking them that wouldn't take up too much space on the page.Whoa2000 (talk) 23:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No, episodes are episodes, and differentiating filler from non-filler at such a base level is a pointless exercise at best. Even so-called canon episodes have filler, so readers can be content with a general idea. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That "general idea" isn't really given, though, as openly as it is in the Hueco Mundo arc. And an asterisk would be much cleaner than adding to a paragraph. Whoa2000 (talk) 00:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Except asterisks aren't part of the title, and can't be added to the outside of the quotes. Single episodes being filler is not relevant. The big-ol' bount arc is filler, which we note, and major smaller blocks of filler are noted as well. It is irrelevant if Don Kanoji has some miscellaneous adventure or something like that. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Though it wouldn't hurt a damn bit just to indicate which are predominantly filler. Some people want to know, while others, like you, don't give a shit. I see no harm whatsoever, and never will, in marking them. - Renegade78 (talk) 06:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Asterisks were just ONE idea. Something similar that doesn't mess with the quotes or whatever could be used instead. Like an asterisk in some other field. I don't understand why people are against this. Believe it or not, there -ARE- people who would be interested in knowing which episodes are filler and which are not. This would not destroy the article in any way, nor would it require a lot of effort to implement this. This is legitimately relevant information. The word "filler" doesn't even need to be used if that's what we're trying to avoid. It could just be noted that an astirisk [or whatever is used] indicates that the episode 'was not based on the original source material from the manga like most episodes are.' That or just call it 'filler;' I think either would work.Whoa2000 (talk) 16:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Where exactly do the Arc names come from?
Where do the arc names and the list of episodes they contain come from? If that info is from the Japanese DVDs, shouldn't the Arrancar arc end at 131 and episodes 129 on be the Arrancar: Hueco Mundo Infiltration arc? According to store listings at neowing.co.jp, the DVDs of episodes 110 - 131 (link) list the arc as "破面 出現" which translates to "Fracture Face Appearance" which would be listed here as "Arrancar Appearance". Likewise, the two listings that contain episodes 132 - 139 (link 1 and link 2) have the title "破面・虚圏 潜入", which translates to "Fracture Face . Empty Circle Infiltration", which would be listed as "Arrancar Hueco Mundo Infiltration" I'd like to if this information is relevant before before making a series of somewhat major edits and page moves. --FortMax (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Though we should consider making a new arc (would maybe be from 166 onwards), I suggest to wait for the following (probably) 4 episodes in April to consider any arc arranging. Though Infiltration is a neat word itself, it can't reach enough episodes to fill it up. (Based on what has been decided and reached since the start of this article.) We are looking more of: "Hueco Mundo: The Assault", "Hueco Mundo: Battles Commences", "Hueco Mundo: Shinigami versus Hollow", "Hueco Mundo: Saving Karakura (or Orihime)", "Hueco Mundo: Aizen's Scheme", "Hueco Mundo: Countdown", etc. Just my thoughts, if you still are determined to split everything up, it'll definatly take alot of work and conversation-battles. Ge4ce (talk) 09:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears that episode 155 is the start of another arc according to this listing. This arc is titled "破面 激闘篇" literally "Fracture intense fighting". I'm not sure how it would actually be translated. "Arrancar Battles Arc", Arrancar Intense Battles Arc"? Anyway, this split is inline with Bleach arcs usually having about 20 episodes. The first Bount arc seems to be the one exception. Anyway, the arcs should be split ar they are in the official releases; the fine points of the names can be taken care of by a bot after the sames are settled on. Perhaps I should bring this up on the Bleach Project talk page? --FortMax (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Adult Swim air dates
Being a sub man myself I really don't care enough to keep up with the dubbed version but what I do know is that just because Adult Swim may or may NOT be continuing to air the program doesn't mean that the show has been "cancelled" as such can someone either confirm Adult Swim's plan for the show ban the user with IP 24.145.179.210 (either for poor editing ability [I had to go through nigh on ten edits to find an unadulterated version of the page] or for posting factually incorrect material).GreatMizuti (talk) 15:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Episode 167
Does anyone have a source for the title of this episode and whether or not it is canon? Thanks. Big red01027 (talk) 23:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Format question
Considering all of the arcs have individual pages, can someone please explain to me why this list has such huge plot summaries for every arc, instead of just having a nice clean episode list with the main links? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Rename episode lists
To List of Bleach episodes (season x). Seriously, the current titles are really weird, and I would hate to have to explain it to a reviewer at WP:FLC. Here for an official source, indicating that the first list is season one.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 00:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent English titles
See Talk:List of Bleach episodes (season 1). --Silver Edge (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Season 4 episodes HEAVILY VANDALIZED
See for yourself, I dont even know how someone could do something like that, nor do i have any idea how to fix it. The boxes that link to discussion and edit can not even be clicked. Someone needs to find a way to fix that mess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 03:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, wait, did anyone else see what was there in the article? cuz it was there one second and gone the next, and the history doesnt list any edits for the page for today. It had completely changed the look of the page, the backround was completely black, and the page was filled with text that, if you scrolled, would only scroll the side bar. It said it was from the zodiac, and that he was saying to put his crap on other pages too. under that it had all these wierd symbols, japanese text i think, and then a picture of a Celtic circle. It was weird, and I swear to god im not making this up, did anyone else see that or change it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 03:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg That was the symbol that was in the center of the page, i clicked it and was directed to that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I did some research, and this has happened before, just like how i saw it. heres a blog about it. http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25275&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 04:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was because the Contains Japanese text template, which is used in List of Bleach episodes (season 4), was vandalized. Numerous templates have been vandalized in a similar way, search for the word "Zodiac" on WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and WP:Help desk for more information. --Silver Edge (talk) 09:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit War
FYI: I have requested protection for this article until the ridiculous edit war that is persisting can be resolved. --–m.f (t • c) 22:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What edit war would that be? The only problem I see is with anons changing "Kibune" and "Lurichiyo" to incorrect romanizations. — Dino guy  1000  17:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the edit war I'm referring to. It was a daily and sometimes twice-daily event.--–m.f (t • c) 21:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not an edit war... it's not even an editorial dispute. It's just run-of-the-mill vandalism/good faith edits. You should have requested semiprotection, not full. — Dino guy  1000  16:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My request was for semi-protection. They made the choice, given the evidence, to implement full-protection.  That was not my intention.--–m.f (t • c) 22:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right, I jumped to conclusions. I actually tracked down your request after posting that (probably should have done it beforehand), but never got the chance to update my comment. I also briefly considered requesting the protection be knocked down to semi, but decided it would probably be more trouble then it's worth. — Dino guy  1000  17:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like we may be close to some kind of resolution below.  Maybe we should move for arbitration.  What do you think?  --–m.f (t • c) 21:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see why arbitration would be necessary... The usage (at least of "Kibune") was supported from the very beginning by reliable sources, so the anons and new accounts changing it to "Kifune" were just engaging in wishful thinking... or something like that (I'm a bit out of it today... blah). — Dino guy  1000  17:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. It looks like the protection is set to expire on Aug. 26th.  So, hopefully the interest will have dried up by then, and we can get back to contributing.  Cheers. --–m.f (t • c) 21:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

"Sortie Orders! Suppress the House of Kasumiōji"
Wow, talk about bad translation. I'm not even sure that "Sortie" is a english word. Can someone fix that? dposse (talk) 18:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See Sortie - Also page is locked and can't be edited Pahajoki (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Rurichiyo
Please see the discussion on this talk page. (Skunkboy74 (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC))

Funny thing about the second Bount arc summary
It doesn't exist!

What happened there? I think it used to be present, and we have the disjointed last paragraph of what sounds like it was at one point summary in the space. Did it get vandalized/accidentally deleted and nobody noticed? --erachima talk 07:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Kibune?
I believe it is Kifune... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.54.69 (talk) 10:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/bleach/images/chara_n_kibune.gif it says Kibune on furigana (and filename). Also episode titles on Newtype had Kibune as furigana. Pahajoki (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If it helps at all, both Kira and Amagai clearly say "Kibune" in the dialogue, which logically supports the furigana. Etherella (talk) 21:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I've watched every episode out to date and I'm sorry the english translation/subs say Kifune, not Kibune. I'm not interested in causing problems, i just want to know why my subs would be wrong? thnx —Preceding J comment added by 72.193.44.182 (talk) 19:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Clearly the original furigana/Japanese version would take precedence over the sub version. See above comments.  There is more of a chance for speculation and editorializing when you favor the sub/translation version. --–m.f (t • c) 20:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

well shoot me for not knowing, didnt have to be so rude :P Jerkface 16:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerkface6 (talk • contribs)

Filler
Don't you think filler, or at least non-canon material, should be labelled as such? I get so confused, especially when seasons run together. Failing that, can someone tell me when/if the current Bleach filler has ended? OUChevelleSS (talk) 00:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Arc Names removed
Re-added arc names based off of http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Episodes and rearagned episodes to fit that list. Work still needs to be done to the individual "season" pages that someone made since they added an extra (season 7) that doesn't exsits as it's own arc and thus now the links go 6>8>9 skipping seven since that list was split into 6 and 8 on this page. Frenzy54 P.S. for some reason other discussion on this page about the Arc names was removed when I added this... not sure what happened...

For your PS it was moved to archive 2 which this needs to be at SuperSilver901 (talk) 22:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Season name changes
Who the heckfire changed the actual arc names from the real ones, to the simple season 1, 2 etc etc for shame.... also, does anybody know the name of the new arc (season 10 according to stupid version) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.237.191 (talk) 17:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

You are a smart person that is pointless but I am afraid to change it because he will identify it as vandalism and blah blah also for some reason he changed the "Hueco Mondo Arc" to the "Arrancar: The Fierce Fight arc" but that is a badass name though. plus the season 10 arc is called Hueco Mundo,Part 2 arc SuperSilver901 (talk) 01:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The reason it was changed was because there was an order issue before where it basically said that the filler arc was hueco mundo there wasn't a gap between 151 and 152 before. Look at the post about The New Captain Shūsuke Amagai arc.86.166.237.174 (talk) 19:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't really get what you're saying, but I have to agree that the "arc names" were better. Besides, they aren't really seasons in the "traditional" meaning. They are indeed arcs. A season has a start, has an end. (the most usual meaning of a "season" being from September to June of the next year). There's no point discussing about seasons in bleach. (we have a "season" from July '05 to January '06 and another one from April to October '08. I mean there's no cohesion). I think you get my point. And the previous names were descriptive and generally accepted. Also, the years appear a bit funny / ridiculous. Again no point. 85.73.58.97 (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

86.166.237.174 you explained nothing you can easily change it and thats what I did it has nothing to do with that SuperSilver901 (talk) 17:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Episode 76
Just a wild guess, but shouldn't Episode 76 say Frieda instead of Fried since the Bount's doll Ichigo fought against was actually called Frieda? (Skunkboy74 (talk) 04:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Her Japanese name is the masculine "Fried"; it's just an issue of being out-of-date since now we know it's been changed to "Frieda". So to answer your question, yes.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know why they did that? I mean, it's not like having a male snake character is completely out of the ordinary for anime.  Sui get  su  01:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Episode 189 Air Date
The air date posted is for a Tuesday, but aren't initial airings for a Bleach episodes on Wednesdays? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.121.243.156 (talk) 01:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Bleach will be moving to Tuesdays starting with that episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.164.98 (talk • contribs) 13:28, September 11, 2008


 * Is 189 airing then or maybe will air on October 1? All the website says is 9月24日の放送はお休みです. -> Bleach on 9/24 is on hiatus. http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/bleach/ shadzar-talk 13:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It says also (right side) 第189話　堕ちた死神の誇り 2008年10月7日放送 so it's seventh. Also was said after previous episode. pahajoki (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to have that on the right side of the page. must be a connect error for me. thanks for clearing it up. shadzar-talk 00:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Shinigami Golden
Could Someone put up a section for Shinigami Golden (comedic omake at the end of each episode in the Japanese Version) for each episodes or something like that? Tman7776 (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Why should we? Nightmare017 (talk) 14:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a part of the actual program. Most anime broadcasts have these, but they are removed from American production for some reason. shadzar-talk 17:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they removed it because of time restrictions they have on air? Or maybe because of some other reason. 24.4.95.224 (talk) 03:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The New Captain Shūsuke Amagai arc
Hi, I'd just like to make note that there is placement errors on the Bleach animé episodes page. The main article under The New Captain Shūsuke Amagai arc actually links to the 2nd part of the Hueco Mundo arc. Also for the new season 9 The Hueco Mundo arc, Part 2 the main article beneath that links to The New Captain Shūsuke Amagai arc. Hope I explained that properly. Joed1991 (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Season 10
I dunno how to edit the table but I find it unlikely that episodes 202 and 203 were shown nearly a year ago. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.169.227 (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

"Seasons" 6, 7 and 8
Ok, appart from the "seasons" vs "arcs" debate (I'm all for the "arc" naming) I have this other question. What is the logic behind the current "indexing" of episodes into these 3 seasons? Season 6 starts right after the Bount arc. Accepted. Season 8 ends just before the Amagai Shuusuke arc. Also accepted. But why does season 7 has episodes both from the "Arrancar" arc and the "Hueco Mundo" arc? Is there a point doing that? Is there some source saying that season 6 has "these" episodes and season 7 "that" and season 8 "those"? If we're going by the "season naming" I'd say to make them two seasons. Season 6: Arrancar and Season 7: The Hueco Mundo (thus The Amagai arc becoming Season 8 and not 9). Really, what's the logic behind all that?

P.S.: I don't know in what extend it has been discussed because I don't see anything here. Why don't we use the "arc" naming and it was changed to "seasons"? Which in my opinion is a bit off. Because "Seasons" don't make any sense. Usually seasons have a specific and standard time-span every year. Whatever it is/will be/was decided would be best to stay in the discussion a bit longer so that we can understand the reason behind the change. 62.1.235.206 (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

-I also think that the arc naming is appropriate (the seasons thing seems random, and even if it's not random it's quite pointless that the main division not be the arcs). I think the page should be merged back with oldid=242137356 The user ("Tintor2") that did this mess hasn't even participated in the discussion ever, and if you see his user page, Bleach is not even listed as anime he likes (yeah, Naruto is indeed).

And who cares that some months ago I didnt read Bleach too much? What Featured list uses names from seasons as the main title? Although the divisions of seasons may be ramdom, it avoids any argument of fans who say that x episode is from x season.Tintor2 (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please restore this to the correct arc names? Timschwartz —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC).

Division is by the DVD releases. We're not going back to the atrocious titles we originally had using the arc names. End of discussion. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 18:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, at the bottom of the page are the DVD releases and they list the Arc names and not years in the title. WTF are you talking about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.164.98 (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem is they've spent a significant amount of time on sub-pages for the "seasons" (which, by the way, should be candidates for deletion from wikipedia because of being so unimportant to have independent articles), and they won't acknowledge they've just created a big mess. Anyway, who cares, I can live with the absurd "seasons" organization even though it's totally flawed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.78.40.245 (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

How they get the episodes title before them are launched?
How they get the episodes title before them are launched?--Matthaeusrc (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

They're displayed in the official bleach website some time in advance, like 2 weeks before being aired or something. I guess that's where they get them from for this wikipedia episode list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.78.40.245 (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

"Ichigo's Stomach-cutting Persuasion Strategy"
For the episode titled "Ichigo's Stomach-cutting Persuasion Strategy;" "stomach cutting, or "seppuku" (切腹) may possibly be better translated as "Ichigo's Suicide Persuasion Strategy" (or at least I think so) since seppuku is slang for harikiri, the samurai's honor suicide. I also think it might be better to just leave seppuku/harikiri in the title. 76.248.155.152 (talk) 07:11, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

season 9 and 10
What happened? Season 9 and 10 are completely gone from the anime part. Escachick357 (talk) 08:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That was a result of vandalism, both sections have since been restored. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 20:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I tried to add season 11 to the list, then it messed things up. season 11 is new filler arc. starts at episode 204.DranzerX13 (talk) 04:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC).

No its not do you have the source that its season 11? SuperSilver901 (talk) 20:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

From what I have thought, I thought that it was going to be a whole filler arc, but I guess i was wrong. I think they're just going to be a few one shot episodes. next time i'll make sure before adding a new season. anyways thanks for fixing it for me.DranzerX13 (talk) 20:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC).

season 11
After the few filler episodes we will be getting, then the Turn back the Pendulum episodes will begin. After that then I think will be season 11 "The Fake Karakura Town" arc.DranzerX13 (talk) 01:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC).
 * The season 11 sublist you created has been nominated for deletion, and it's looking like it'll be deleted - generally, when an episode list has been split into season sublists like this one has, we start a new season directly on the main list and only split out a new sublist when it's gotten long enough. ;) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Some concerns
I know this was very recently promoted as an FL. Unfortunately I didn't have time to review it. I took a look when I noticed it at FTC, and didn't remember this particular FLC. There are still some things I would like to see fixed.
 * The notes (season 4) do not work because the corresponding note labels are not present/transcluded
 * The recent precedent for episode lists is that they should not transclude. - FLCs for The O.C. & 24
 * That's a case of consensus from WP:ANIME to justify the transclusion. I don't care one way or another, but that's an issue to be discussed at WT:ANIME, not here. I'm simply respecting the current consensus on the matter. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 23:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally cannot find any suggestion on WP:ANIME that the lists should transclude. Surely the consensus you are following is that of the episode lists, and there consensus against transclusion does seem to have been made. As an aside, it would also provide an easy fix to the above problem. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  23:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, my pointing to WP:ANIME means that the project decided in discussion that they wanted to have transclusion. It's obviously not on the project page. In any case, take your discussion to WT:ANIME. I don't care how it turns out; I'm simply respecting whatever consensus the project wants. If this is against the consensus WP:TV has, then bring it up in discussion at WT:ANIME. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 02:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What is an OVA? -needs spelling out somewhere.
 * Fixed. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 23:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Does the image justify fair use? It doesn't really add anything to the article and many other episode FLs don't have such images. However I notice some of the manga lists do, so this is more of a question.
 * I would say that for episode lists that are of an anime adaptation of a manga (hence the main series page is primarily based on the manga), then the episode list acts as the primary page for the anime; in that case, representing the anime series by having a logo would seem to be fine. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 23:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I can see it justified if that is the case. Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  23:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Per WP:MOSNUM "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures" so in "42 DVD compilations have been released by Aniplex in Japan.[7][8] Fourteen DVD compilations" possibly spell out "42" as you have "Fourteen DVD compilations" and "two DVD collection boxes"
 * Fixed. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 23:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if this seems like i'm being picky post-promotion but as I noticed the notes not working I gave it a full review. Everything else looks in top condition though. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  22:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Bleach DVD Releases (Region 1)
Someone keeps deleting the Volume 15 info I keep putting up. it has been officially announced by Viz that Bleach DVD Vol.15 will be released March 17, 2009. It will be on 2 discs. Disc 1 will have episodes 59-62 and disc 2 will have the episode 63 hour long special. Viz has been using the exact Bleach DVD covers, menus, etc from the R2J DVDs. Here's the link for Vol.15 release date: http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7948 DranzerX13 (talk) 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC).

I hope that the OVAs are released on DVD. I feel that the series would not be complete without it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.248.129 (talk) 06:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Go back to organized by arcs
It made it so much easier to find what I was looking for when it was organized by arc and not DVD seasons. I don't even own the dvds. 71.68.49.116 (talk) 08:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. Just because Viz choose to localize the series by "seasons" for the English market doesn't mean this list needs to be organize that way. Jonny2x4 (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you wholeheartedly. Especially "seasons" 6-7-8 is the worst "dividing" anyone could have imagined. But I think that many will disapprove and say that what's done is done, etc, etc... Too bad. I agree with the arc orginization. 79.107.47.250 (talk) 11:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Organization by arc is subjective (where exactly does one arc end and the next begin?) and sometimes excessive (last 90 episodes of Naruto, anyone?), and the DVD seasons roughly follow the arcs anyways, so it was seen as the best compromise. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Aren't there any Bleach databooks that could be used for reference? Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Each new theme song signifies a new season. 24.32.61.43 (talk) 04:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I Agree Go back to arcs. and yes each time a new song appears at the start that tells us its the beginning of a new arc 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.170.90.2 (talk)

Why are the filler episodes not mentioned? --87.163.39.197 (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are; they're just not marked "filler" or similar. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 17:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks 87.163.39.197! Clarifying filler is a major value to Bleach and Naruto fans.
 * Most fans skip the filler.Mitsypoo (talk) 04:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * What fans do or think in regards to filler episodes has no bearing on how they are treated on Wikipedia. Episodes are not marked as filler per previous discussion and project consensus. If you want to know which episodes are filler so you know what to skip, there are plenty of fansites out there that will cater to you (and for the record, generally I'm not a big fan of filler either). 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 20:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with arranging them as arcs personally. The seasons have simply been invented in the dub to fit American broadcasting practices, there's absolutely no logic behind it. Organising into seasons with a US show makes sense, because they're generally written and produced as separate seasons, but there's no such division here. Plus, the arc beginnings and endings are pretty clean cut and obvious from what I remember. eyeball226 (talk) 02:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

More about filler
Filler episodes "utilize plot elements not seen in the original manga," while non filler episodes almost exclusively do not. In non filler the plot is what the manga creator says it is while in filler episodes, a temporary plot is perpetuated to fill a television time slot during which nothing can end differently than it began for any of the main manga characters. This is hardly a minor distinction and one that cannot be left out of any episode list considered thorough. There are anime's where the whole artistic direction departs from the manga, but Bleach isn't one. Filler distinction is thus very necessary part of a Bleach article. It is general information like title, author, date, main character, theme etc...   But please, direct me to the discussion which explains the consensus rational, and if it makes sense, I'll let it go. --Mitsypoo (talk) 05:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed ad nauseum. It doesn't matter how obvious it is to you what episode is and is not filler, or what your opinion on filler episodes is, or how many other fans agree with you, or even if I agree with you (and for the most part, I do); it still constitutes original research unless you can point to a reliable source that explicitly states "episodes X, Y, Z, and A through M are all filler". 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh.... Now I finally get it. Thank you--Mitsypoo (talk) 02:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What about labeling certain episodes as "anime-only"? It is undeniable that such a distinction would be useful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's still original research, regardless of what pretty labels you want to affix. Point to a reliable source that spells out what episodes are filler, and we'll have a serious discussion. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 21:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This article lacks so many inline citations it seems mostly OR. But you can do it another way: add an info which episode of anime is based on what manga chapter(s), and the remaining one will be obviously anime-only. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Also discussed ad-naseum and it is NOT appropriate content. It has been attempted before as a way "around" the no filler tags and it just isn't going to fly. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, it seems that the entire episode list section is unreferenced; will you remove it or should I? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That would just be disruptive, like your edit warring over the third movie. The episodes themselves are the source of the plot and titles. The only thing within the current list that needs sourcing is the airdate, which is sourced in the reference section. Obviously it is NOT unsourced as it is a featured list. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Dvds
The current use of Region 2 and Region 1 headers is misleading as Region 2 includes Europe, when clearly the list is regarding Japanese only releases. Additionally, the lists don't provide coverage of say, the UK or Australian releases. I propose renaming the headers to "Japanese Releases" and "English Releases" as for the UK at least, it follows the North American format. Then we can expand the table to include the release dates for Uk/Australia. Dandy Sephy (talk) 12:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Air Dates
Where do you get these airdates?--Goku100396 (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This list cites ANN's encyclopedia (a no-no; it needs to be corrected), but season 1's sublist cites TV Tokyo for the Japanese airdates (I didn't check further than that). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · <small style=font-weight:normal>Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 19:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Season 11 Title
Would anybody care to site the manga issue in which the title of the Season 11 arc is established so that AnmaFinotera will stop his one-man edit war? By the way, does anyone else find it curious that this guy is so obsessed over the title of this one season when none of the others seasons are sourced in this article either? It's also rather interesting how, in spite of how obsessed he is with this issue (as evidenced by the article's history log), he has not made one attempt to bring this issue to light on either this talk page, or the talk page for Season 11. It's as if he's trying to monopolize this issue by reverting the edits and not saying anything about it outside of his edit descriptions. I don't care how important of an editor you think you are, if you have an issue with this article, bring it to light on the talk page, don't just revert every edit related to it by presenting an argument within your edit description that is, quite frankly, a bit dubious in nature. –Nahald (talk) 03:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The manga is not a reliable source for the title of the anime season (nor am I the only one who has reverted it). Give a reliable source and it will stop getting reverted. Thus far, none of the people claiming a title can seem to even agree on what is supposedly is. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You should at least get your facts right, the other seasons are named by their japanese dvd titles, which are sourced in the article. Season 12 gets its current name from a magazine article, no one has yet presented a source for season 11. Also the whole point of hidden notes being left in the article is so that people read them and take notice of them, ignoring requests for sources and inserting the info anyway isn't exactly helping either. If people ignore hidden notes right next to what they are editing (and even remove them), they aren't going to be reading the talk page first (not saying there should be no discussion, just that it won't make any real difference to the edits made). A similar thing happens regarding the airdates for the last eps of the original naruto series, which afaik have never, and aren't ever planned for airing on tv, they just seem to be adding random dates (dvd I guess). You should also stop assuming gender pronouns ;) Reverting unsourced additions is hardly an issue of perceived importance, it's freaking guidelines and policy on a featured list. You might want to assume a bit more good faith. Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also the name came in the preview from the first episode of season 12 (I mean it appeared in the last ep of season 11).Tintor2 (talk) 14:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I dont know if this is helpful but the bleach wiki site calls this part of the story Fake Karakura Town Arc 210.2.158.17 (talk) 11:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Bleach Wikia is not a reliable source. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 12:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Even though it's accurate. 24.32.61.43 (talk) 04:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How can we confirm that it is accurate? Wikipedia's policy is verifiability against reliable sources. --Farix (Talk) 10:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

References - general
The TV_Tokyo pages probably were changed, since now it starts with page 1 through 20 (as of today). I can update the list (since links and episodes numbers should be updated in my opinion). My question is about archiving those pages so further changes on the TV_Tokyo site won't unanchor the links. How may it be done or should it? Another thing is replacing all pages with one main page of episodes. Why to detail all the pages when one may suffice? (I mean this one)

Thanks Colpitz (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC).


 * Webcitation is one of the most common sites to archive. Here you have an archive from the first 13 episodes done some time ago. What would be good in my opinion is that adding the general refs in the seasons article in their template so that there would be no need to add them here. It's like what collectian did in season 12.Tintor2 (talk) 23:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Specific pages are necessary because one should not have to click around to find the actual source for a specific episode. Each page contains a certain number of episodes, so each page is cited for those episode. Agreed that the other season lists should be updated so the sources are in the templates rather than having to do double duty here. Please do NOT use webcitation right now - Wikipedia killed their cite from overuse. Not sure what the status is. If the page has changed URLs but it still up, just update it. Check archive.org to see if the site it archived if there are concerns it will one day go away (though TV Tokyo tends to be good about keeping those up for a long long time). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The Past Arc - Placement
I was wondering: why is the Past Arc been placed within season 10 and it dosen't have a season of it's own like every other DVD release?

Geodefender (talk) 00:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Simple, the seasons are official, "arcs" are not automatically new seasons- especialyly not a handful of episodes. The "arc is part of season 10, so that's where it goes. Dandy Sephy (talk) 00:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Where can I find the official division of the various seasons?


 * Geodefender (talk) 00:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * offhand I'm not sure as I'm posting this from my phone. However splits on the page are all from the Japanese DVD teleases (apart from the current season which was from shonen jump or something), so they are accurate. Dandy Sephy (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks man. Since you are posting from mobile, let's leave it at that for now. You see, I'm the main contributor for this page in another language so, if you are able to get a more accurate information (preferebly from a website or something I can use as reference), I would really appreciate it if you could post it here or on my user talk. Thanks again.


 * Geodefender (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed this too. I know you (Dandy Sephy) said you were on your phone so I'm assuming you didn't check but I'm assuming the reason he asked is because with the most recent Japanese DVD releases they aren't split up completely by the DVDs anymore as there are now two separate DVD releases in what we have as season 10. The Arrancar vs Shinigami DVD release stopped at 205 and a new one titlted The Past started at 206 and went to 212. If we are going by DVD releases then we would have to stop season 10 at Episode 205, make episodes 206-212 season 11 (even if it is rather small), shift 213 and 214 to season 12 which would be what we have as season 11 and make the most recent arc season 13. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 02:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise that. A quick look on amazon japan suggests you are right, however the discs won't be out for several weeks. I've notified the main editor working on the lists currently to this discussion. Dandy Sephy (talk) 02:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with Silver Sonic Shadow. The splits should follow the DVDs:
 * season 10 should go from episode 190 to 205 (Arrancar VS Shinigami)
 * season 11 should go from episode 206 to 212 (Past)
 * season 12 should go from episode 213 to 229 (to be named later)
 * season 13 should go from episode 230 onward (Zanpakutō Unknown Tales)
 * Geodefender (talk) 00:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe it should wait until a cover has been released, Amazon has gotten info wrong before. And, personally, I believe it should stay on this page, an "arc" does not equal a "Season". Also, six episodes barely warrants a season. --Lightlowemon (talk) 07:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

In spite of the fact that Amazon might have gotten wrong info before, I don't think this is the case since the information is also available on other websites such as PlayAsia.com and CDJapan.co.jp. While I agree that an arc shouldn't always constitute a season, I think a DVD set should. Furthermore what would the correct title be for the current season 10? It couldn't be Arrancar VS Shingami since that wouldn't comprehend episodes 206 onward. Lastly I don't think we should decide how many episodes should constitute a season, besides there have been short seasons before (Reborn! season 3 has only 8 episodes for example). Geodefender (talk) 09:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * As has been mentioned, the 2 episodes that come after those 6 episodes that are being discussed finish the Arrancar vs Shinigami arc. Theres no precedant for eveyr "arc" having to be its own season, the past arc can still be the same season - seasons for long shows tend to be defined by their opening theme. Dandy Sephy (talk) 19:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion it is edit the season since the chapters 206-212 are of the season 11 that season is called the past, and quedaria at the time the season 10 190-205, 12 (without official name) 213-229 and season 13 of 230 in forward I wait for response regards and wait edit it since it is better to put the relating thing to the official DVDs and not invented regards.--Ichigo9315 (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The point is, as I said elsewere, how do we determine where a season starts and where it ends? If we use theme songs then the current version of the list is correct, but if we follow the DVD releases it has to be changed.
 * Geodefender (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * and possibly again when the Viz releases are out (not for some time, but it's a lot of messing about to do twice). Season 10 passed it's FLC this morning, ANY changes like this need to go through every argument, and consensus reached first (in case anyone gets trigger happy...) I don't think any changes should be made until the last disc is released of this "season" so we know 100% where the last two eps are placed on the dvds. Essentially, the above comment reflects my concerns. It's easy to be able to say the japanese dvds are by arc - thats exactly what they are titled as. Until now we had the convenience of that matching up with everything else. Dandy Sephy (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree that the season 10 includes the saga that is called the past, if up to(even) in the official dvd it publishes it this way I suggest that though it is a minisaga, they must put that it is the season 11 and other 2 serian 12 and 13, and you prop like I charm since the saga official is better and not invented like estan you doing, if this way the official dvd says it since this way it(he,she) has to be ordained well I wait correct it since this way it is like a debit of being regards.--Ichigo9315 (talk) 19:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Speaking seriously, into that they do not change it of which To Arrancar vs Shinigami ends in 212, when actually this saga lasts even 205 and from 206 to 212 it is another saga and is called The past, since I do not agree that this saga this one joined, since in other wiki they have separated the sagas by means of the Official DVDs though this one is a season of 7 episodes, in conclusion I agree with Ichigo9315 and Geodefender, since they have reason into which it changes and you prop since it is an encyclopedia they have to have information correct and not invented as this one here of putting everything in the same season, I wait correct it please and since I repeat the saga of the past he is to part of regards it Arrancar vs shinigami and I wait for his response.--190.87.252.130 (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What other wikipedia sites have done has no relevance here, the episodes all aired as part of the same season (a season can be two different arcs as has been said). The information is not "invented", despite the conflict. Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Good at the time if there goes out the title of the following season and if he says that it is at the time 12 hara the change?--190.87.252.130 (talk) 04:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, then. Since we don't seem to be able to reach consensus, we should wait for the next DVD to be released and we'll make a decision then.


 * Geodefender (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey and this already does not solve not this way at all that they correct since it is not a season 10 if not 11 it is better to put official as the DVDs and not invented this way that if they are an encyclopedia confirm what is indeed and do not put things that estan separated in the same season comolo have done here have put 2 chapters that are not anything that to see with the season 11 that are 213 and 214, since not estan published still in Official, like that DVDs that are of the season 12 (without official name), with this it stays this way.

Season 10: Arrancar vs. Shinigami (2008–2009)190-205 Season 11: The Past (2009) 206-212 Season 12: (2009)213-229 Season 13: Zanpakutō Unknown Tales (2009)230-???

Good at conclusion if they do not think that this is official here I leave all the pages them where it is confirmed.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_cap%C3%ADtulos_de_Bleach

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=ANSB-2955

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/search3.html?r=any&exact=&q=bleach&order=score&media=dvd&step=20

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4240&page=28

Good here it is confirmed quite until DVDs are equal sagas, but here he says exactly To arrancar vs Shinigami is up to the DVD 4 bony 202-205 and not up to 214 this way that correct it please since mas official cannot be situated and as I say Better to add official and not invented information and do not return to go out that like that it is when it is not like that that it is quite and I do not want that they go out for me that alone for that it is very small the season is not when the truth if it it is, if not this part was like that To arrancar vs Shingami has 4 DVDs 190-205 and The Past 2 DVDs 206-212, and not as you say that it comes even 214 neither when nor these 2 chapters have been published.

Good if sone am a nuisance for awhile I sit it but it is that I do not like that they do not understand what is indeed and that say the opposite to me when I have reason, good I wait correct it and the response regards.--Ichigo9315 (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Other Reference: http://es.bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Lista_de_Episodios--190.87.250.141 (talk) 22:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are not references, those are fansites. Wikias are user edited, same as Wikipedia, just without any rules/policies/guidelines. ANN's enclcylopedia is the same thing. Other Wikipeia's also are NOT a reliable source. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

It is supposed that of there a season is named, but nonetheless deberian to update it since not this one very suitable to leave a saga that up to in the DVDs they separate differently, in conclusion if it was finishing the temporadY at the time wherefrom you extract you index and that they say to me of amazon there only you answered it to me of the references, but not that of the official DVDs that about it treats itself this discussion, it is supposed that from the DVDs they separate the seasons, but even This way still not for which they do not change that the season 10 does not finish in 214 if not in 205, and the season 11 begins from 206 to 212, and the season 12 from 213 to 229 is the one that does not have an official name because of the DVDs to 10 in 214 habria at the time as other 2 dvd but from 206 to 212 it calls differently, good I wait answer me please regards.--Ichigo9315 (talk) 23:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Please don't edit the article until coming to a consensusTintor2 (talk) 12:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The edition is correct please if they do not reach an agreement general I am going to continue editing since my edition is correct you make false information please at the time if the information was false, then the saga Shinigami tendria Arrancar vs 6 DVDs, but only it has 4 and other 2 are The Past and the chapters 213 and 214 are of the following season please I wait for the response.--Ichigo9315 (talk) 00:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

¿Reply?--190.87.255.64 (talk) 00:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Arbitrary split + New DVD info out
Looks like the newest DVD info is out which shows that 213-214 go with the Battle in Kankura season. With this new info I believe we now have how the seasons should be split up: 190-205 as season 10: Arrancar vs Shinigami, 206-212 as season 11: The Past, 213-229 as season 12: Arrancar: Battle in Karakura, and 230 onwards as season 13: Zanpakutō Unknown Tales. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. There shouldn't be any doubt anymore. Nevertheless, the page should be properly rearrenged. Adding "sesaon 11" within season 10's episodes won't do. IMHO the splits should follow the schematic I posted a while ago on this very page. And this new layout also effects all the subpages dedicated to seasons 10-12 which should also be reorganized according to the new informations. -- Geodefender (talk) 15:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Also I created a subpage in my userspace for what the new season 11 page would look like (without the DVD image which would be added when/if the page gets to the mainspace) which can be found here: User:Silver Sonic Shadow/Bleach (season 11). Also it looks like due to someone creating a List of Bleach episodes (season 13) page earlier today only an admin will be able to move the season 12 page to season 13. Once that is done then the season 11 page can be moved to season 12 and then the new season 11 page can be moved from my subpage to the mainspace. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 18:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree with the split.Tintor2 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If nobody has any other objection, we should proceed with the reorganization of this page and all related subpages.
 * P.S. The List of Bleach episodes (season 13) page has been cleared to make room for the new content. --Geodefender (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've deleted/moved the season 11 page to season 12. Jamie  S93  18:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The split is complete now. I believe I got everything but feel free to double check in case I missed something when doing all of that. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Links to Studio Pierrot "goods" pages are dead
The Studio Pierrot references for the dvd details need replacing as the links are dead (and I can't find a new link for them). Reference 17 being an example. These need to be fixed asap. Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Season 9 english airdates
What is the source for season 9's english airdates? The current Adult Swim Schedule, as it stands now, shows that new premier episodes end after episode 167. The schedule shows premiers ending on Nov. 21 with episode 167, followed by Memories of Nobody and DiamondDust Rebellion airing in the following weeks, then after that Adult Swim will begin showing bleach reruns. The schedules shows no premiers after that (see: ). Unless there's a source that can confirm the airdates listed in the article, the dates should be removed. 72.224.40.131 (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * After doing some google searches, I can't find any evidence of that the currently listed airdates are correct. Plus, given the fact that the official Adult Swim schedule shows that they will stop airing premier episodes after episode 167, and wn't be airing any new episodes for an unknown period of time, I'm going to go ahead and remove the english airedates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.40.131 (talk) 22:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Dvd section
I believe this requires a reworking for several reasons.

Firstly, the season titles keep being changed to match the JP releases. This would make sense if there was no english release, but as there are official english releases, we should be using those titles. However the current table format used does not support this yet. Secondly, the section is split into Region 2 and Region 1 releases. This is a rather questionable way of dealing with the section as region 2 covers Europe as well as Japan but the section only discusses Japanese releases and the Uk releases are quite different.

Secondly, theres simply no mention of UK and Australian releases.

Essentially the section is outdated and needs to be overhauled rather then simply adding to it. Any suggestions? Length and readability would seem to be an issue, so simply tacking on Uk and AUS sections would make that problem worse. Is a 3 column solution for handling all 3 english language releases viable? The Uk releases seem to combine multiple volumes (the first volume has 2 or 3 discs), so sharing the same table doesn't look viable. Collected seasons are so far identical. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * anyone? Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Season 14 title
Can anyone please tell me what's the source for the Season 14 title: Zanpakutō vs Beast Swords ? -- Geodefender (talk) 15:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed the title until having a source.Tintor2 (talk) 23:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, well done. As soon as we'll have a source we'll put in the title for the season. -- Geodefender (talk) 13:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

List Needs a Filler Indicator
I think what has been done here is great but one of the most distracting things about Bleach are all the filler episodes. If someone could add some kind of indicator, that way when looking at the list it will be easy to see what episodes can be skipped.

```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alclark01 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it does, this isn't a fansite. It would go against the purpose of Wikipedia to include it, I myself will remove any edits adding it and I urge anyone else too also. 82.15.9.182 (talk) 02:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay yeah when you put it like that, it is out of the question, but perhaps just some color-coding for episodes that are "exclusive anime content"? Sounds awkward but maybe someone could think of a title that would::::::::: make this kind of differentiation palatable to Wikipedia. 173.60.175.189 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC).

-- Why not just a color code for just episodes where the plot lines are connected? There's been other sections of wikipedia where shows have had their episodes labeled as holiday or anniversary specials (287 applies to this). Honestly you wikipeople have too many double standards, and constantly bend the rules to suit your ego's. -- Testament (I honestly can't be bothered to sign in for a comment..Take it as you will.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.96.217 (talk) 00:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not a question of rule bending. It's just the way anime is done on Wikipedia, filler indicators are not needed because at the end of the day they go against the point of an encyclopedia. A list of Bleach or any anime episodes are meant to be just a list, a season name and the episodes. It's irrelevant if it's a filler season or not. 82.15.11.231 (talk) 03:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are talking gibberish, "they go against the point of an encyclopedia"? The last time I checked an encyclopedia gave unbiased facts on a subject. Some of the episodes of Bleach follow a completely different storyline rather than the main arch, why shouldn't that be documented? It isn't an opinion, it is the cold truth. What is an opinion however, is you stating that "It's irrelevant if it's a filler season or not.", the only reason one would say that is because you yourself think it is irrelevant. With that logic I think we should delete the article on Mongolia, as I am not affected by, or am interested in that particulair country, therfor it is imo irrelevant (see where this is going?).
 * So unless someone can come up with a valid reason I do not see why one shouldn't add a colour coding to the episodes that clearly deviate form the main plot. If your main argument is "it isn't how we do stuff here", then all I can say is; grow up, this is the internet, not the dark age, things change, don't cling to traditions for the sake of clinging to them. 195.240.213.35 (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Why do most people keep mentioning other stuff when discussing? Both seasons from the Bount arc have a sourced mention that it's not based on a manga chapter. A later season from the arrancar arc has episodes that are actually based on Tite Kubo's omakes or chapters he could never finish, while other "filler" seasons have a mention about the plot. Saying an episode is filler is original research or just an unsourced analysis. Even if we were to color filler episodes, there would be arguments about how the first minutes of an episodes do not happen in the manga, or something else.Tintor2 (talk) 21:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You do realize that the reason I mentioned OS was to prove my point? As in "OS is bad" I was comparing his way of arguing with the way OS people argue. My actual argument was therfore not based on any OS, but rather the fact that OS is bad. To put it simple: Why do most people jump to conclusions when discussing?. As for the issue about fillers, there is a difference between "not following the manga word by word" and "not following the plot of the manga in anyway". The episodes which do the latter can be pointed out quite objectively and marked as such. I really do not see any problem that would arise from this, is it the negative connotation that goes along with the word "filler"? I realize OR might be a concern, on the other hand though I doubt anybody would actually disagree on what deviates from the main plot and what not. Besides that, there are sources of interviews in which Tite Kubo differentiates between filler and non-filler episodes195.240.213.35 (talk) 21:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What are those sources you mention? Is there a reliable source for that? The seasons 4 and 5 already have an explanation about the story material. People who read the manga sure know what episodes are filler, but why a person who only watches the anime would care about that. If an entire season is filler, a reliable source for that can be provided, omake episodes already talk by themselves that they made this in celebration of something. Besides, coloring them will make the list inconsistent and thus unencyclopedic.Tintor2 (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Subjectively labeling episodes as "filler" would clearly be the wrong way to go about this. Instead, I think it would be both reasonable and useful to indicate which manga chapter(s) each episode's plot is based on. We might need a few qualifiers to tie a manga chapter to an episode--for example, containing plot unique to the specific chapter and episode--but that shouldn't be too difficult. "Filler" episodes would be left with a blank field, thus making them easier to identify. Relating anime episodes to their respective manga chapters would efficiently increase the amount of information presented while also helping users who wish to know which episodes are "filler".SheepEffect (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That is a great idea, it won't be a problem with respect to OR, as the source is quite obviously the manga itself and thus not OR. Furthermore we lose the whole "filler" thing and the negative/subjective connotations that go along with it. Not only that, but as you said, it would add more helpful information regarding the relation between the manga and anime. 195.240.213.35 (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, that would also be a violation of WP:NOR as you are making an synthetic claim using primary sources. —Farix (t &#124; c) 19:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it is a violation of neither if you read the small print. 195.240.213.35 (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It still is. The synthesis you are making is to come to your own conclusion when comparing two different medias.Tintor2 (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar enough with Wikipedia policy to know where the line lies, but I would argue that such a comparison is one "that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source." Stating that a manga and anime have the same plots seems similar to stating that two historians came to the same conclusion regarding an historical event.SheepEffect (talk) 13:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * When did we say both "manga and anime have the same plots"? We say that the Bleach anime is based on the Bleach manga by Tite Kubo. We never say is happens the same in both media. I'm pretty sure almost no anime is identical to its manga adaptation. This is really going nowhere, especially considering that both seasons 4 and 5 have an explanation regarding its plot (which I already mentioned).Tintor2 (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I meant "Stating that a manga chapter and anime episode share plot". I'm obviously not suggesting that the plots of the entire manga and anime series are identical, nor that we should say so on any article. Could you rephrase your argument so that it addresses the point made in my previous post? I feel like you were just picking on my poor phrasing. SheepEffect (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * By what I meant about "This is really going nowhere" is how this discussion has become and lack of guidelines to support what episodes are filler. The example of historians is good, but they themselves could considered reliable if they are recognized, something which we users are not. If I were to point which episodes are filler, I would state that they are the ones that cut the events from the arrancar arc as the actual characters mention in omakes (the ones after the preview) the anime storyline needed to stop for a while. Maybe the Bount arc is original, but it does not cut the series like flashback episode or the seasons I pointed. Anyway, that's just my opinion, which cannot be used in wikipedia.Tintor2 (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Tintor, I would like to ask you to stop bringing up OS, the fact that the articles on season 4-5 say something, or nothing, about the plot is irrelevant to this article and the ongoing discussion. As to your argument of "The synthesis you are making is to come to your own conclusion when comparing two different medias." is not true. As I said, read the small print and explanations that go along with the policies, rather than just going "NOU" followed by an argument that isn't explained or clarified afterwards and is phrased in the way an opinion would be phrased. 195.240.213.35 (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if using synthesis would be correct, what would be the point here? This list only mention release dates, titles, and dvds. The only mention of the plot is its introduction at the lead. Therefore, it would be unneeded.Tintor2 (talk) 00:07, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Season 13 DVDs
I've noticed that someone has added the information about the 7th DVD of the 13th season. I couldn't find anything about it neither on Amazon.jp nor on CDJapan. If the information is wrong it should be removed, but if it's correct the episodes should be reorganized accordingly. -- Geodefender (talk) 20:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone? -- Geodefender (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Couldn't find anything after the sixth volume.Tintor2 (talk) 16:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Volumes 8 and 9 have officially been announced (Ref). Looks like seasons 13 and 14 have to be reorganized. -- Geodefender (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess so, but why was it decided to make another list for the Swords Demon?Tintor2 (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No idea. Unsourced... -- Geodefender (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then we have to stop splitting lists until having a reliable source.Tintor2 (talk) 19:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Agree completely. By the way, there's no source for the current season either (granted it's probably not going to be in the "Zanpakutō: The Alternate Tale", but still). And there's also no source for the current (9th) season of Naruto Shippuuden (I realize this isn't the place to discuss that though) -- Geodefender (talk) 19:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Should I take care of the reorganization myself, or is someone else going to? -- Geodefender (talk) 10:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I belive the reorganization should be as follows:
 * Season 13 should go from episode 230 to episode 265.
 * Season 14 should go from episode 266 onward.


 * I'm not sure what is the correct procedure to preserve histories and discussion pages here but, I think all episodes currently in season 14 (255-265) should be moved in season 13 and season 15's page should be moved to season 14. I don't really know how this works exactly: does the current season 14's page have to be deleted first (by an admin maybe?) in order to move the current season 15 in it's place. Anyone care to shed some light on the matter? -- Geodefender (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rather than deleting, the article whose season should not be, has to be redirected to List of Bleach episodes.Tintor2 (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The Zanpakuto + Sword Fiend arc DVD info
Japan has made both the Zanpakuto arc + Sword Fiend arc into 1 season in the DVD releases. I looked on Amazon Japan, Play-Asia, Yes-Asia, and Vol-8 DVDs show the Zanpakuto arc name. Since that is the case, I struggled a bit to do this, but I changed season 14 section to fit with season 13. Season 15 is now season 14. We've been doing the arcs in DVD seasons, like season 11 The Past arc, for example. DranzerX13 (talk) 11:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC).


 * I've added the final touches. Turned the former season 15 page into a redirect to season 14 and deleted season 15 from the template. -- Geodefender (talk) 14:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

A Bit Early
This may be just me, but how are you getting the titles of episodes that aren't even subbed yet? Just posting the titles themselves is kinda teasing fellow Bleach lovers, because they see a new episode listed here, assume it's online, and go look for it, only to become extremely annoyed when they find out it's not even available yet. I'd like to suggest that unless the episode is publicly available for subbed viewing, that you not list it here. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.11.223 (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There are several places that announce episode titles. One such source is WebNewtype, which announces titles at the beginning of each month. And no, we shouldn't withhold verifiable information such as episode titles. Wikipeida is an information resource, it is not a fanguide. —Farix (t &#124; c) 10:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Why isn't the list updated?
how come the list isn't updated with the new season, with the new episode that HAS ALREADY AIRED and the upcoming ones that have been announced?193.137.232.202 (talk) 08:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably because of the lack of credible sources that say where does season 14 end, and where season 15 starts. If I remember right, some weeks ago, an episode said "End of Arrancar arc", and now about three weeks later, an episode says that a new story arc is going to start. There is mention of when do arcs ends and start, but no seasons.Tintor2 (talk) 15:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * but even if we don't know if it's a new season or not the list should be updated with the episodes193.137.232.10 (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's right. Specially since we don't know when does a season end.Tintor2 (talk) 15:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Missing sources?
I might've missed them but it looks like the United Kingdom DVD releases and English airdates are unsourced. I plan on submitting Bleach season 1 to FLRC (after 3 other episodes lists) for this particular reason and hope it will be addressed. DragonZero ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 10:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The first season list actually has a source for the English airdates. I'll check for the DVD releases.Tintor2 (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Added the sources for DVDs and episodes of season 1.Tintor2 (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 23:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. While I also added the ones for season 2, I am afraid the site does not have the airdates of some of the series' seasons.Tintor2 (talk) 23:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Now, I could cite most season's airdates.Tintor2 (talk) 01:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

The air dates are incorrect for the episodes currently they are being listed the day before their respective release dates for each episode compared to the correct time and date of their origin in japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.172.49.73 (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * "some English air dates are listed as the day before they were actually aired, as is the convention of the Adult Swim online syndication schedule".Tintor2 (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

English Air Dates
Hey Everyone, I should bring to your attention a similar topic to the previous ones here; The English air dates are wrong, as in 'desperately wrong', before the most recent episode "One-to-One Fight! Ichigo vs. Senbonzakura" the air dates were significantly behind the actual airdates Ex: the previous episode "Shinigami and Zanpakutō, Total Sortie" was 2 weeks behind it's actual airdate as was just about each episode before it. However now I bring to your attention;"One-to-One Fight! Ichigo vs. Senbonzakura" it's english air date is listed as March 3, 2012, as I am writing this it is curently Februray 11, 2011 March has not come yet and yet this english dubbed episode aired about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Please fix this 27.27.57.106 (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC) Joshex(wasn't logged-in)

Hi everyone. I figured I'd ask about this on the talk page rather than fixing it first, since I don't edit very much. Anyway, I think most of the English air dates are wrong, one day early each. This is because the source of the dates, Adult Swim's schedule, simplifies the programming lists by putting everything 9pm-6am under the header of the day it starts on. However, new episodes of Bleach are shown at midnight, which is actually the next day. For example, the upcoming new episode will be shown at 12am Sunday June 19, but this page says the episode will air on Saturday. Is anyone experienced willing to correct this? -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 00:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't that how television magazines organize airdates? If so, shouldn't we follow them as they are the only sources.Tintor2 (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

That's what the article here currently suggests, but upon some research, no. The most common television programming schedule for the Bleach English air dates (US) is TV Guide. TV guide's tvguide.com lists the dates correctly, so midnight starts a new day. -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 02:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * While in the general the site is good, I wonder whether the episode listing is reliable considering the inconsistent organization.Tintor2 (talk) 02:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The archive does seem to have a few flaws, but its weekly listings are considered the best. I think considering that, by definition, days begin at midnight, and additionally that the most popular tv listings agree, we have more than enough to correct the errors in this article. -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 02:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What I wondered if that archive was actually updated by staff in charge or by any user. We had the same problem with Anime News Network as its episode listing could be modified by any signed user. It was because of that that such episode listing was not reliable althought the content was right.Tintor2 (talk) 03:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

That does seem like an issue for sure. What we have here is a little different, as both sources actually agree on the exact time and date. The issue at hand is that it looks like whoever initially edited the English air dates for this Wikipedia article did not realize that 12am starts a new day. This is something neither specifically confirmed nor denied on the Adult Swim schedule, which is static. (It is confirmed by both the TV Guide dynamic schedules and static archive.) Perhaps a good compromise would be to leave the Adult Swim references, and also to list the NIST definition of midnight along with the correction. -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 03:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep at 12am starts a new day, but that's not the same for television schedules. Maybe just adding a note will be enough. I still don't know about TVguide's list being reliable.Tintor2 (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so some along the lines of Adult Swim says these episodes were on Saturday, but they were actually shown a day later than posted above. -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 18:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I made the necessary correction note on the article in the appropriate section, thanks for your help and discussion. -- Darktower 1 2 3 4 5 01:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

So I have a question. I remember watching episodes 1 - like 16 or 18 when they first appeared on Adult Swim. They showed episodes 1 - 16 or 18 in one night. Does anyone else remember this?24.129.58.16 (talk) 21:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

In reference to the english airdate of episode #236 "Release! The New Getsuga Tensho" the airdate of 12-24/25-11 is not evensupported by the cite used. Adult Swim lists an all nite marathon the weekends of Xmas and New Years ending with episode #235. I could not see who actually posted this airdate but unless they can provide a source it should be deleted. Theoden8354 (talk) 02:26, 22 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoden8354 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

English movie dates edit war
Please stop adding and removing the English and UK air dates for the movies. Having a small talk here about the correct dates would be better then changing them every other day. Bilrand (talk) 03:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Someone keeps adding 2012/2013 for the english release date on the fourth movie. There is no such information that proves this, other than speculation.Infernalfive (talk) 16:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Seasons 15 and 16 sources
I couldn't figure out how the current splits for seasons 15 and 16 came to be. I couldn't find any reliable source on where season 14 ends (except maybe the titles of episodes 317 and 341, but I wouldn't call those reliable, just look at episode 255...). So, could someone please enlighten me? -- Geodefender (talk) 14:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing I found are magazine scans, but it's impossible to use them as references. Maybe the official site has new regarding it.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirected and left a note.Tintor2 (talk) 15:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks fine for the moment (even though we can't be sure where season 14 ends and season 15 begins exactly, but let's leave it at that for now). The next DVDs should come out soon anyway, then we'll know. Thanks. -- Geodefender (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * ANN confirmed the start of the season in October 11. However, even the previous form of the season had no episodes listed, so we should wait until we have the actual episodes.Tintor2 (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Very well. -- Geodefender (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like a title for ep. 343 has finally been added. I Think we can make it official now. -- Geodefender (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Season 16 title
Users have continously changed the official title from the series' 16th season from Substitute Soul Reaper Disappearance to "Lost Substitute Shinigami" and viceversa. Is there a source for "Lost Substitute Shinigami" was the original Japanese title announced, is there a source for "Substitute Soul Reaper Disappearance"?Tintor2 (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In the Japanese version, the word they use is Shinigami, in the English dubbed version they use the word Soul Reaper. 71.72.22.57 (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Cancellation?
Rumours have been floating around the internet that the Bleach anime is ending on March 27 after the conclusion of the Lost Substitute Soul Reaper arc. Is there any verification for this? 142.26.194.189 (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

yes. the show is over. Done. The end. There is no season 17. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.41.136.51 (talk) 15:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

"As of March 27, 2012, episode 366 was the last episode of Bleach to air on TV Tokyo. The TV series has been cancelled temporarily so that it can be moved to TV Osaka" I added a needing citation tag here for several reasons: One, a reference to the fact that it has been cancelled. Two, that it is officially stated as temporary. And three, that it is indeed moving to TV Osaka. I'm sure there are references out there I just don't know where they areAutumn Wind (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a citation for the cancellation date, but points 2 and three above remain. I don't know that it's necessarily credible, but better than nothingAutumn Wind (talk) 15:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

No season 17? Why listed?
Season 17 is listed, yet multiple sources (including this talk page) indicate the series ended at episode 366. Should not the listing for Season 17 be eliminated?Famartin (talk) 15:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It was removed. Somebody added false info and people were slow to remove it but it is gone now. The anime has sadly ended and anything added to this list saying otherwise without a viewable source should be undone on sight. 109.76.101.250 (talk) 14:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Why is it back? Famartin (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Deleted and then returned again? What is going on???Famartin (talk) 05:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * because the show has only temporarily ended, we are not yet certain if it will continue under TV Osaka, I think Season 17 should be left up but with only one listing: "It is not yet known if the show will continue to have any new episodes." 165.166.157.182 (talk) 04:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

What is the hold-up?
did episode 287 air in english? or is it on hold due to the transition of the Intellectual property to another studio? will it be aired soon? and is there any speculation as to when? 165.166.157.182 (talk) 04:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Confirmation of return?
I'm removing a sentence about the return of the series, as there is no confirmation of this. People here are even confused as to who will air it even if it is returning. Until someone can provide a citation for it, it should not be there. The current citation is for the CANCELLATION of the series (extremely misleading) GokuSS400 (talk) 04:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

when they finish the manga they will make the last season base on Thousand Year Blood War this is what will most likely happen because it is the reason they have not air a new season it was caught up with the manga --Wjmdem (talk) 02:51, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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