Talk:List of Canadian supercentenarians

Mary j. ray
shouldnt she be on the top five canadians list? because she is older than zelda mcague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.1.222 (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * She should be. Neptune 5000  ( talk ) 02:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Living supercentenarians
Is there a legitimate reason why we should have the verified people right at the top of the page and the unverified right at the bottom? Surely we should keep them together? SiameseTurtle (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Margaret Hack born May 16,2016 is not on any list why? Baldydj (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Why would someone born less than a month ago belong on a list of people who are over 100 years old? -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Alice Sjöquist
Alice Sjöquist has been inserted on this page, but there are several problems with her claim. First and foremost, her claim has not been verified by any of the usual suspects, though as of June 27th on the newsgroup, it appears that all that is needed now is for the documents to be sent. Therefore, we should omit her until such time as this happens.

Secondly, she was born in England, so her birth place of "B.C." is incorrect, and she also belongs on the immigrant list. Canada Jack (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So... any consensus on whether we should include her on the 10 oldest Canadians list? I've looked at other pages and there is no consistency on whether candidates should be native-born or at least residents. I've inserted citation tags instead or removing her, as placeholders until the various sources update their lists. As mentioned earlier, this case has been verified, the final paperwork simply needs to be forwarded to Robert Young etc. Canada Jack (talk) 16:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This case is simply a "jumped gun"--it's validated. If you want to wait until she appears on the GRG lists, that's Ok. Ryoung 122 01:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Emigrants and immigrants
It is against WP:NPOV to list these in a table together as it means anyone who has emigrated will never be listed on any main national list. You can't just ignore these people. SiameseTurtle (talk) 07:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

THEY SHOULD PUT MARY RAY AS THE OLDEST CANADIAN SINCE SHES THE OLDEST PERSON BORN THERE, JUST BECAUSE SHE MOVED DOESN'T MEAN SHE ISN'T STILL THE OLDEST CANADIAN. 72.155.225.238 (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Unverified Canadian Supercentenarians
I really do hope at least one of these Canadian supercentenarians will at least be on the "pending" list soon. I'm Canadian and it doesn't feel right to me not to have a living oldest person on this list right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.88.163 (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Why is Margaret Hack born in Manitoba May16. 1906 and living in BC not on the list Baldydj (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Cora Hansen
At one point I was searching through the 1900 U.S. Census for anyone with the first name Cora (most people use their married name, and she was married at some point), and found one Cora M. Clausen/Clauson, with listed birth of March 1899, in Beltrami Co., MN. Now there is a newspaper clipping here --> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CPtXDMLVHi4/S-jG_nVCuVI/AAAAAAAABEI/qUblJ6j9jAM/s1600/IMG.jpg claiming she moved with her family from Minnesota to Jenner, Alberta in 1912. This Cora Clausen's father has the slightly rarer name of Elling Clausen. Interestingly enough, Cora Clausen is living with her father Elling Clausen in Alberta in the 1916 Canadian Census. According to 1900 U.S. Census information, Cora Clausen's parents, Elling and Eliza Mary (Elise Marie) married in Norway and immigrated to the U.S. in the 1880s. I hope this information helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.185.40.181 (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Cora's probable parents:

15.06.1878: Marriage in Dragedal, Norway (8): http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5948&idx_id=5948&uid=ny&idx_side=-160 (Parish register)

11.07.1882: Emigration: http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=57442&merk=57442#ovre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.198.201.10 (talk) 09:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Cora Hansen is now in the process of verification. Family documents from Norway have been established, matching census returns from US Census 1900 and 1910, as well as Canadian census of 1916. A news report from 2002 has reference to her husband, Richard Hansen, thus establishing the link to her surname Hansen (née Clausen/Clauson).

She married in 1934, most likely in Jenner, Alberta, where she lived 60 years.

Full verification can be completed when birth certificate is found (or baptismn confirming date of birth) and confirmation of marriage is found.

See more
 * Cora Hansen coverage in 2002
 * no.wikipedia article Celvin11 21:18, 9 January 2012 (CET)


 * The above is original research as far as I can determine as GRG has not listed her case as "pending." The list from GRG was updated Dec 17. So, this case should be simply listed as "unverified" with the citation for her claimed 112th birthday (it is on the living superc page) attached as a source. Canada Jack (talk) 21:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Cora deseves fair treatment. Newspaper article I gave link to, has been out in public since April 2002. It can hardly be 'original research' to find a newspaper article. All findings in the case have, of course been forwarded to GRG. Verification process is underway and case is thus PENDING.Celvin11 22:30, 9 January 2012 (CET)

You seem to be confused. A newspaper article on her case simply establishes that she has a claim to being 112 (or 103 in 2002). (Preferred is the one from 2011 on her 112th birthday which establishes she celebrated that claimed birthday.) As for her "pending" status, until her name is posted by a source specializing in verifying claims as "pending," she is "unverified" for the purposes of this page. The "pending," after all, suggests an authority has gathered some documentation and requires some more to move her to the "verified" list. All I see above is someone's research which may match the person in question, not some notification from GRG or any other authority that this person's claim is in their "pending" folder. It is not up to the person who gathered the evidence to declare the case is "pending", it is up to the authority in question to declare the case is "pending." Above is called "Original research," even if 100 per cent accurate and proves what you says it proves. Hopefully, as you state they have or in the process of receiving this information, we shall shortly see that "pending" status, which, if verified, would establish her as one of the 15 oldest people in the world! Canada Jack (talk) 22:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Facts in the case have been established. Norwegian family documents, census returns, marriage confirmed in church book, emigration protocol, matches US and Canadian census records perfectly (1900, 1910 and 1916), US Census of 1900 even states month of birth (March) and year (1899), however not exact date of birth. Newspaper article - which is NOT original research - bridges census findings with her marriage and life in Canada, making her story trustworthy. She is who she claims, and documents supports it. Its sad to see some calling himself 'Canada Jack' bullying with Canada's Oldest Person. Rather, Wikipedia should be a place honouring people and bring in fact. Instead of bullying, rather wikipedians should welcome truth and factual information. .Celvin11 23:50, 9 January 2012 (CET)


 * Celvin, you are missing the point. As I said, her claim may be 100 per cent valid, the research you mention iron-clad, proving her claim. But to insert that here and say the claim is ON THAT BASIS "pending" is original research. Do yourself a favour and acquaint yourself with what that means in terms of wikipedia as that is the only issue here. Until one of our reliable sources - in this case, one which specializes in gerontology research like Robert at GRG - declares the case to be "pending" or "unverified," we can only list it as an unverified claim, as long as there is confirmation she has celebrated her most recent birthday via, say, a newspaper article. Canada Jack (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * declares the case to be "pending" or "unverified," we can only... I meant "verified"... Canada Jack (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I felt bad about this encounter, as Celvin had done this in good faith, yet the case did not appear for a few more weeks on the sources. In the end, Cora Hansen enjoyed a few weeks as being the official holder of oldest Canadian before her death. Now, sadly, comes news that Celvin, who hailed from Norway and was a long-time contributor to GRG and WOP (once a moderator), has died, at the age of 47. Canada Jack (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Herman Smith-Johannsen
According to me Herman Smith-Johannsen should be considered the oldest living person in Canada until his return to Norway where he was born. Then he became the oldest living person in Norway, even if he spent just few days or weeks there, before passing away. What do you think?--Pascar (talk) 23:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Herman Smith-Johannsen became Canadian citizen in 1928. He lived permanently in Canada 58 years, from 1928 until autumn 1986. His immigration to Norway is recorded 19 Sep 1986. Celvin11 13:04, 9 January 2012 (CET)

Unverified Supercentenarians: who is Canada's Oldest person?
I do not believe that unverified supercentenarians should be listed as Canada's oldest person, but a separate addenda table should be made.

Also, where's Fan Shee Hoo?

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/918703--supercentenarian-just-kept-on-fighting

You can't just pick and choose.76.97.68.237 (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Unverified persons shouldn't be included at all (until they are verified). Nor should pending persons as they are also unverified. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 04:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of Canadian supercentenarians
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Canadian supercentenarians's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "GRG Deaths in 2006": From List of supercentenarians from the United States: GRG Deaths for 2006 (in Chronological Order) (As of May 2010) Retrieved June 2, 2011. From List of Spanish supercentenarians: GRG Deaths for 2006 (in Chronological Order) (as of November 2011) Retrieved 13 November 2011. From List of Lithuanian supercentenarians: GRG Deaths in 2006 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ranking of unverified cases
"Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves."

Creating a list of ranked "Canada's oldest people" on Wikipedia violates WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. Wikipedia can't decide who Canada's oldest, person is - or for the matter, who's the 2nd oldest, 3rd oldest, etc. I am therefore removing the rankings. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 00:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Sum Ying Fung - 112yrs
Sum Ying Fung was reported by mainstream media as being Canada's current oldest living person when she died at age 112 in 2011. Should she be listed on this list page? Her biographic article is also currently being debated for deletion: Articles for deletion/Sum Ying Fung. Canuckle (talk) 22:08, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Error made, please help!
I accidentally deleted Dolly Gibb and Louise Turcotte. Can a more skilled editor please add them back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:2:5F06:2D02:138C:908A:70F (talk) 09:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Zoltan Sarosy seems to have died on 21.06.2017, see
https://twitter.com/MarkTWIC/status/877464163026698245

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Henrietta Irwin
How come she has been removed from the "Living Canadian supercentenarians" section of the article? She hasn't passed away. Timothy McGuire (talk) 01:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Use yyyy-mm-dd formats
New date format, use ISO date formats, Canada's format is yyyy-mm-dd, and in MOS:DATEFORMAT lists to avoid all numeric other than yyyy-mm-dd, and the table sortable, please don't revert this back Even though the MOS:DATEFORMAT says it's not allowed to be used in articles, the reason why I changed all formats from d mmmm yyyy to yyyy-mm-dd is because to solve the problem about sorting dates — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1103:C3:98D4:CC21:4ECA:2347 (talk) 16:06, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * no consensus about not reverting back to the date format the site used all the years... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.5.242.247 (talk) 21:31, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Emigrants
The article currently has separate lists for Canadian residents and Canadian emigrants. However, the subject matter is "Canadian supercentenarians", so that the places they have moved during their life should not matter to their Canadian nationality and ranking as supercentenarians. Therefore I suggest merging the list of emigrants with the main list of 100 oldest Canadian people ever. A similar reasoning was recently applied to the French and Italian lists. — JFG talk 18:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ — JFG talk 05:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Living vs dead
A few days ago, I removed the separate section for living people, stating that it "only duplicates information from full list below." Today restored the list, stating that extra list "is a concise view of the oldest living Canadian without having to parse through the long list of those who have ever iived. This is consistent with other pages such as the page for the USA."

I have reverted to the version without a separate list of living because a recently-dead person was included in the version restored by Djcrozier. Besides, I maintain that the separate list of living Canadian is totally superfluous, and it creates extra maintenance work. The situation is different from the USA list, because Canada only ever had about 80 documented supercentenarians, so that they can all fit in a single list. Conversely, the USA article lists the 100 oldest people ever documented in that country, the "youngest" of them having lived 113 years and 175 days. The USA living list has 59 people, 56 of which are under that age. Therefore the living list is absolutely necessary to avoid deleting information about 56 documented supercentenarians in the USA. That's not the case in Canada, where all 7 living ones are on the main list. — JFG talk 09:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

RfC: Defining the 100 known oldest people

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this list enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest Canadian people over 110 years old, as reported by various reliable sources (proposed change), or should it assign a ranking only to GRG-validated people, and keep other entries unnumbered (status quo)? — JFG talk 08:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Rationale
This rationale is mirrored from the recent RfC about the oldest Italian people.

The oldest people from Canada are being tracked by various sources: news reports on birthdays and deaths, articles and studies about longevity, and various special interest groups and forums. A prominent tracker of supercentenarians worldwide has been the Gerontology Research Group (GRG), which maintains a network of correspondents in several countries dedicated to discovering and validating cases of extreme age. The present article, and various others, have been historically largely sourced to the GRG's public lists of supercentenarians by nation, and a usual practice has developed of assigning a ranking only to persons that have been validated by the GRG. However, since 2016, GRG correspondents in most countries have stopped documenting people under 112 years old, so that recent cases are mostly sourced from newspaper reports; this is apparent when sorting our list by death date. As a consequence, this list is giving undue prominence to cases that were documented earlier, while newer cases are unranked, including most of the living people on the list. On the other hand, we have ample and adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Canadians, and few cases are actually disputed in this country. Accordingly, we should re-number the list to include all well-sourced cases, irrespective of whether they are listed by the GRG. The list would then be current and truly represent the "oldest known" Canadians. The current list would not change, but the 20 unranked people would be numbered, reaching 85 currently-documented Canadian supercentenarians. In the future, new people who reach their 110th birthday would be included, and the list would be eventually trimmed at the top 100 oldest, just like the French, Italian, British, American and Japanese lists. The proposed change is also in line with general Wikipedia policy, whereby all relevant WP:RS should be considered in order to enhance our coverage of any particular topic area. — JFG talk 08:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Survey
''Please express your preference with Support (for ranking all well-sourced people) or Oppose (for ranking people from GRG only) and a brief rationale. Longer comments should go to the section below.''
 * Support There is adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Canadians and the GRG's sharply decreased number of validations makes this a necessary change. The page no longer functions using the GRG alone. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support There is no preference in WPP for a single source, and logically it would seem GRG has to rely on old records just like anyone else. If there is a controversy, report it in DUE weight, but do not limit the sources.  Cheers Markbassett (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Neutral I'm not convinced this shouldn't just be deleted outright. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Obituary for Mariette Barzczewicz or however her name is spelled
https://www.facebook.com/cindy.b.hewson/posts/10163202762440203

Could the list be updated? Thank you, Timothy McGuire (talk) 00:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a better source than Facebook? CommanderLinx (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Cecile Klein
Her case has been validated by the Gerontology Research Group now. I'm afraid to change the reference because that's a massive edit Timothy McGuire (talk) 03:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Not really vandalism
User TFBCT, please try to distinguish between vandalism and editing difficulties. If you look at the source code of Verne Equinox's edits re Arnold Hawkins, you will see that he has given this reference for the information about Arnold Hawkins, and if you click on the link you will see that the information is genuine. However it is clear from his edits that he had difficulties inserting the information into the table correctly. I tried to fix it but did not succeed as the formatting of this table seems very complicated. I did manage to find a second source in this CBC article which confirms the information.

I also notice that most of your recent editing concerns lists of supercentenarians and oldest people in various countries. So perhaps you would have the experience to insert the information about Arnold Hawkins into this article correctly, which Verne Equinox and I have been unable to do. Please help. Dirac66 (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Verne Equinox (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

All I saw is that one of the pages I typically monitor and manage (for about 15 years} was left a complete mess without explanation. I’m home sick with pneumonia and you should be grateful that I took the time to correct such an editing mess.TFBCT1 (talk) 04:02, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Glanced briefly at adding Arnold Hawkins to this table. He is not old enough yet to appear here. He won’t be eligible until 27 February 2021 if still living.TFBCT1 (talk) 07:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I am sorry to learn that you have pneumonia. Perhaps when you feel better you will able to look again at the information on Arnold Hawkins. As for the date on which he is a supercentenarian, the local newspaper source given by Verne Equinox says "On Saturday, Jan.30, the Beaver Harbour resident turn[a] 110 years old." The CBC source which I found just says "Saturday", but since it also says "Posted Jan 30, 2021" which was a Saturday, I think Jan 30 is the intended date for this source also. However since the local newspaper source is more explicit, we probably should use that as the primary source. Dirac66 (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, I now understand why you added a few weeks to obtain his eligibility date. When the number of Canadian supercentenarians exceeded 100 on 10 January 2021, you restricted the table to the oldest 100 and changed the section title accordingly. So since the 100th entry now in the present table died at age 110 years and 35 days, Arnold Hawkins has to reach that age to pass that person and be in the top 100. So since he was 110 on Jan.30, I'll try again to enter his data on Jan.30 + 35 days = Mar.6 (if he is still alive).

TFBCT1: I trust your pneumonia is better since you have made some entries recently. The last entry in the table is now Laura Rollock at 110 years and 43 days, so Arnold Hawkins will be equal to her on Sunday March 14, and as far as I know he is still alive. Could I ask you to enter him in the table on Sunday. I would rather not have to try myself since entering data in this table seems quite complicated. Dirac66 (talk) 03:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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Susannah Maxwell of Richmond Hill
At the time of her death in 1923 newspapers reported that she was 117 years old and "Canada's oldest citizen". This claim has been reproduced by contemporary reliable sources, such as the Dictionary of Canadian Biography. pburka (talk) 23:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I see that usable links to sources are given in the article Susannah Maxwell (nee Stokes). There is a link to her Dictionary of Canadian Biography at http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/stokes_susannah_augusta_15E.html which gives her exact dates of birth and death, implying that DCB at least accepts that she had a birth certificate. From these dates her age at death was 117 years, 338 days, or 108 days older than Marie-Louise Meilleur. Is there any reason not to put Susannah Maxwell on the top of the list in this article? Dirac66 (talk) 02:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)