Talk:List of Chinese flags/Archive 1

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I've got two questions in mind. Should "Chinese" be equated with the PRC? and if not, shall we add the flags used by the ROC, as well as the flag used by the Ch'ing government? The other question is that as far as I remember colonial Macau had no flag. The flag was used by the concelhos de Macau (there's another flag for the concelhos das Ilhas). &mdash; Instantnood 17:59, August 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * As PRC and ROC are different countries, I think it is best to keep them seperate. Chinese is more closely associated with PRC and Tiawanese for the ROC. The historical flag for Macua is the Government of Macau's flag, rather than the actual colony's flag- according to the Flag of Macua page. Astrotrain 19:35, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * It was the flag of Concelho de Macau. Concelho das Ilhas had another flag. &mdash; Instantnood 13:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Manchukuo, Mengkiang, etc.
Should the maps of Manchukuo, Mengkiang, etc. be added to the historical section? &mdash; Instantnood 13:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Flag used in Portuguese Macau
I have swapped the pale blue flag used on the page for Macau because the flag that was listed in the edits prior to mine showed a variant of the government's flag (see image here.) This flag never really was official. According to FOTW, the flag of Portugal was:

''Please note that this flag shouldn't be used to represent "Portuguese Macao," officially only the Portuguese national flag will do. Unofficially most people prefer the future Special Economic Region flag, or the municipal flag of Macao City.''

see FOTW for more.

In pre 1999 editions of the CIA World Factbook, the Portuguese flag was listed as the flag of Macau. See this entry from the 1999 Factbook, in particularly the flag listing and image.

Finally, this image on the BBC website was taken around the 1999 handover. You will see the Portuguese flag being taken down the flag pole, not the Macau government flag.

I hope this helps.

- Thanks, Hoshie | 11:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

why use an outdated version flag of Macau?
This,, is the actual flag being used in Macau. Why change into the original version which is not being used????--HeiChon~XiJun 14:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Early Chinese army flag
The early Chinese Republic's army flag should also be included (this seems to have been important in the 1920's). There's a version of it at Image:Sjxqi.gif, but the proportions may not be quite right there (see a historic depiction in Image:Republic of China Flags.jpg). AnonMoos 06:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Finally added it... AnonMoos 02:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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ROC and PRC should be separate
Ok i think the flags for ROC and the flags of PRC should really seperate. --Jerrypp772000 22:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since this is a listing of Chinese flags, both should be included here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aldis90 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
 * The ROC national flag should be here as it was a Chinese flag until 1949. But why are the counties of Taiwan listed here?  The fact is that the question of whether Taiwan is part of China is disputed.  Wiki policy is to show both sides of a dispute without taking sides.  By putting Taiwan's flags here we implicitly side with those who believe Taiwan is part of China.  Were we to remove the flags, we would implicitly side with those who believe Taiwan is not part of China.  I believe the best way to handle this is to make a note on the page that there is a dispute and link to one of the pages that covers the dispute. Readin (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hui or Uyghur?
What did the white colour on this flag represent? The flag of the Republic of China article says Hui instead of Uyghur. Did the Republic of China government in those times use "Hui" to cover all people who practised Islam, including the Uyghurs? &mdash; Instantnood 13:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

it represented all muslims in china 162.84.135.252 (talk) 05:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Expand, translate from ZH Wiki
Referring to 中国国旗 from the ZH Wiki, that article is very in depth, giving detailed explanations and histories of each of the flags, and is marked as GA. The EN Wiki article in my opinion needs a bit more expansion, so that it becomes more than just "a list". The ZH version discusses different early drafts of the ROC flag, etc. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 16:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Flags of the Municipality of Macau
China was censoring Google. Is it censoring WikiPedia as well???

Where are the 1975 – 1999 Flag of the Municipality of Macau and the Flag de facto used to represent the Portuguese territory of Macao? There seems to be discriptions for them, yet the flags don't appear. Graphs appear for other municipalities which may or may not, or never did have flags. But how can we really know now?

Is China throwing them down the Orwellian Memory Hole? It would be a shame if WikiPedia is now being hijacked by Chinese nationals who want to control the past.210.133.127.14 (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * First, it would be nice if you wouldn't approach the subject with unnecessary melodrama. Images get deleted all the time, but generally for copyright reasons.  We do have several Portuguese era flags in commons:Category:Flags of Macau, but after a little poking around on the FOTW site, I don't feel confident that any of them is either of the two described in this "List of Chinese flags" article... AnonMoos (talk) 08:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Remove statement

 * Before the handovers, the People's Republic of China recognised Hong Kong and Macau as its territory though they were not under its direct control. The Republic of China also recognised these regions as part of ROC territory, just as the ROC claims sovereignty over mainland China. But some may not recognise pre-handover Hong Kong and Macau as parts of China and many controversies exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readin (talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

This is incorrect. Before 1997, the PRC recognized British sovereignty over Hong Kong, and between 1975 and 1999, the status of Macao was agreed to be Chinese territory under Portugeuse administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readin (talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Chocolate manufacturer collector card
This flag does not seem to exist other than on a chocolate manufacturer collector card. It was created by a Common user with the chocolate card as only source. Is it OK for a speedy removal?--6-A04-W96-K38-S41-V38 (talk) 13:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed from the list as per discussion here.--6-A04-W96-K38-S41-V38 (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Taiwanese flags
A lot of the flags here is also covered in list of Chinese flags and there are relatively few ones that are covered here but not there, thus I propose the merge TheChampionMan1234 08:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a good idea, however, it wold be easier to keep the status quo due to the List of Chinese flags article being extremely large and having them separate would make it easier to find the List of Taiwanese flags. Also, with the PRC and the ROC being separate sovereign states, it makes sense for the articles to remain separate for now. Nick Mitchell 98 (talk) 00:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Disagree, the focuses of the articles are different.Xxjkingdom (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

"File:China Flag.png"
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Obscure Communist Party flag?
I found this video (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIu5Zpcekq8), and noticed that at around 7:00 minutes in a flag appears unlike anything I've seen depicted for the Communist Party of China. This film, "The Revolutionary History Song Performance" (革命历史歌曲表演唱), was, I'm pretty sure, sponsored by the Communist Party (Note the August First Film Studio [八一电影制片厂] introduction at the beginning), but that flag doesn't immediately click with me. It is a red flag with a sort of stylized plough(?) (similar to the Starry Plough (flag)). Does anyone know what this flag is and any part of the history behind it? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unknown_Chinese_Communist_Flag_(1920s%3F).pngZhonghua88 (talk) 01:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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Selection of proposals
What is the source for the weird flags in the Selection of proposals section? I have asked the uploader, but not received an answer. See here. This section should be shrinked to small selection anyway, but without sources it should be removed completely. Watchduck (quack) 11:33, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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Misattributed Flags of China Section?
Recently, US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene put up a Scooby-Doo meme, which features Fred Jones unmasking the Green New Deal to reveal the villain whose face looks like the USSR flag. Greene's commentary "This a simple meme that would find on the internet, but this meme is very real. The Green New Deal, surprise, serves China and China only" implies that she does not know the current flag of China's appearance. Should we temporarily add a section "Misattributed Flags of China" for humour's sake? Erminwin (talk) 12:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sir/ma'am, this is a Wikipedia article. Centre Left Right  ✉ 22:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in List of Chinese flags
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Fictional Flags
I understand that this is supposed to be a very exhaustive list but the Fictional section seems particularly egregious since it seems to contain flags from anime, Paradox games, vexillology hobby spaces and the fever dreams of some particularly extreme anti-CCP chinawatchers. I'm not saying the section should be removed outright, but I think we ought to have a discussion if a lot of its content meets WP:N criteria. Andro124 (talk) 17:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree. And the same should be done for Political Flags (both PRC and ROC) AAAAA143222 (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I second User:AAAAA143222's opinion, although, there will be a problem of deciding which flags should be on the page and which ones shouldn't. We can't put every single flag some forum group comes up with. We have the flag of the Shanghai independence movement, a barely existant fringe group, next to the The East Turkestan Islamic Party, an actual flag used by an actual organization. TypeKnight03 (talk) 11:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that fictional flags should not be retained on the list, however I just wanted to point out what makes a flag fictional or insignificant. In China, there are two types of flags of separatist movements, ethnic groups and political organizations. The first are the flags of such entities outside China proper, in places like Tibet or Xinjiang. The flags of these entities are well-known, due to the fact they have very good coverage by the western media and by individuals critical of the Chinese communist party. The second are those within China proper, which are not well known. Examples include the flags of the Shanghai national party and Cantonia independence movement. These are not a major part of the west's political campaign against China, which gives creates the false sense of what is real and noteworthy and what is insignificant or fictional. Separatism inside China proper has been going on for ages, not just a couple years or one or two decades. Fringe separatist movements in China have around the same popularity as mainstream separatist movements in the United States such as New Afrika, Republic of Lakotah, or Northwest Territorial Imperative, or those in Great Britain such as Cornwall or London. When it comes to your example of the Shanghai national party, that is not “barely existent”. The SNP was founded by fifty members, which includes famous political cartoonist Rebel Pepper . The SNP is the leading politcal group of the Shanghai independence movement, which has been featured in the news , and is so popular in China that its flag was banned in Hong Kong . What makes a flag fictional is the intention it was made with, only if somebody creates a flag without any intention of it actually being used, is it classified as a fictional flag. If it is made with the intention of actual usage, then it is classified as a proposed flag. If a flag is used by an ethnic group, political organization or separatist movement, then it is not fictional regardless of popularity. I think fictional and proposed flags should be removed if they are very unpopular, but flags which are actually used should not be removed just because they are not as popular as those used by other, very famous entities of the same category. Crab2814 (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Partition into Separate Articles
I don't think I'm alone in believing that this article is too long. Its already the longest of all the national flag lists on Wikipedia, and I fear it will soon be impossible to parse. Not to mention it has surpassed 100kB in size (and yet only has 20 sources), meaning it should probably be split by WP:SIZERULE. I recommend a list of links to separate pages: Which pretty much aligns with the sections already in the article. TypeKnight03 (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * List of Flags of the People's Republic of China (including pre-1949 Communist Flags),
 * List of Flags of the Republic of China (from 1911 to Taiwan),
 * List of Imperial Chinese Flags,
 * List of Flags of Foreign Concessions, Colonies, and Puppet States


 * Yo in like a week or something I'm just gonna take advantage of WP:JUSTDOIT and go for it if no one has any comments. TypeKnight03 (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article should be split, but not in the way you proposed. The flags on this page should be kept if this article is split, and I do not think that each 4 pages is enough to fit them all in. If this page is split into more than four smaller articles, and the majority of flags are not removed, then I do not see any problem. The flags of political organizations, separatist movements and secessionist states should perhaps be given their own article. It should also be mentioned that there are many flags belonging to such entities which are not in this article, and if those flags are removed then I oppose a partition of this page. With regards to the issue of citations, that is an unfortunate problem with articles like these, and to find citations for the flags which should be retained is hard. But if do, will you agree to retain those flags? Crab2814 (talk) 12:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an article called List of Flags of Political Organizations in China should be created, and should contain the flags of the various Chinese political organizations and separatist movements/states. Alternatively, this article's section Flags of Political Groups and Separatist Movements can be made a section of the article List of Flags of the People's Republic of China. Crab2814 (talk) 14:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you AAAAA143222 (talk) 14:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The "Black hand cuff" flag should be removed
User:Swiãtopôłk added the flag. it should be removed because the original file does not contain a source and I searched it on google and didn't find anything about it AAAAA143222 (talk) 17:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Flags that should be removed
This article is a mess so these flags should be removed
 * Flag of the Tibet Area[citation needed] under the PRC's administration because it is unsourced ;
 * Flag of the China Maritime Safety Administration because it is unsourced ; China MSA Flag in Chaozhou.jpeg
 * Flag of the Labor Safety and Health of China because it is unsourced ;
 * Flag of the Shanghai Jiao Tong University because it is unsourced and the source on WikiMedia does not show colors I left a note on this next to the flag
 * Flag of the Communist Party of China (1921–1996) because it is unsourced. ; zh:中國共產黨黨旗黨徽
 * Flag of the Chinese Peasants' Association because they are unsourced ; Plough flag
 * Flag of the China Party for Public Interest because it is unsourced ; zh:蓝白井字旗
 * Variant flag of the China Party for Public Interest because it is original research
 * Flag of the Maoist Communist Party of China because it is unsourced ;, this point is indeed somewhat debatable
 * Flag of the China Social Democratic Party because it is unsourced ;, by the way, the file needs to be improved
 * Flag of the Union of Chinese Nationalists because it is unsourced ; Well they consider themselves part of the pan-blue coalition so the flag is valid but I don't have an opinion here
 * Reconstruction of the flag of Beijing Students' Autonomous Federation because it is unsourced and probably original research ; I wrote to the author a request for a link to the sources, let's wait for the answer


 * Flag of the Shanghai separatist movement because the SupChina article does not explicitly call it a flag of the Shanghai separatist movement, and it is called a "fringe movement" by the WSJ and it is given undue weight
 * Cantonese separatist movement flag because the SupChina article does not explicitly call it a flag of the Cantonia separatist movement, and the Liberacy article should not be considered reliable, and it is given undue weight.
 * Bashu separatist movement flag because the SupChina shows a different flag but does not explicitly call it a flag of the Bashu separatist movement, and it is given undue weight.
 * Flag of the Mongolian Liberal Union Party because it is given undue weight
 * Flag of the Manchukuo Government because it is given undue weight (maybe)
 * Flag of the Inner Mongolian People's Party because it is given undue weight

I would prefer not to decide which opposition organization deserves attention. It is easier and more reliable to add all of them, especially since there are not so many of them. Another reason they should remain is that they are easy to come across on the internet.


 * Flag of the National Democratic Party of Tibet because it is unsourced ; This photo was taken during an event organized by the event and includes their logo.


 * Flag of the Turkistan Islamic Party because it is unsourced

'''This is where the problem is, because it is possible that this organization has long been extinct. The flag appears on graphics that cannot be confirmed as being from TIP, either because of conspiracy or because TIP does not exist. I am not competent to say anything on this topic, so I would prefer to be consistent with the actual TIP article. If in here will be written that the whole topic is a product of Chinese propaganda, the flag with the Shahada should be moved to the fictional flags section as a flag disseminated on the Internet.'''


 * Flag of the New Federal State of China because it is unsourced and is not directly related because according to the sources, it is more involved in american politics and is more related to the US than China. Evidence for the existence and use of this flag is easy to find. Their goals are most about China, so they deserve a spot on the list


 * Anti-Beijing-Olympics protest banner because the FOTW page does not list this flag, and the Japan Forward article does not show this image (and the image it shows is not a flag)


 * Proposed national flags of the People's Republic of China (unsourced ones) because they are unsourced and are given undue weight.
 * House flag of China Merchants Group because they are unsourced
 * House flag of COSCO because it is unsourced
 * Flag of the Inner Mongolian People's Republic because it is unsourced ;
 * Jiangxi Soviet republic flag because it is unsourced
 * Flag of the Qiongya Soviet because its source does not show colors ; You're right
 * Flag of Fujian People's Government because it is unsourced ;
 * Flag of Chinese Communist Anti-Japanese Bases because the source does not call it the "Flag of Chinese Communist Anti-Japanese Bases" (just the national flag) ; You're right

And these flags should be fixed
 * Flag of the Chinese Workers' and Peasants' Red Army (lacks sources for some versions of it and one of the version is not supported by the source)
 * Flag Chinese Soviet Republic (its colors do not match its sources) AAAAA143222 (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I promise to take a look at your comments. I don't have time to answer every point today. Here you can submit a request to correct the files. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 16:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response AAAAA143222 (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree to some of it however i disagree with others:
 * The Communist Party flag (1921-1966) should still be removed because WikiPedia itself is not a credible source (WP:WINRS)
 * The Chinese Peasants Association flag should still be removed because there's no cited source besides wikipedia itself
 * Party for Public Interest flag (same as above)
 * Maoist communist Party should be removed (because the source you showed is a user-generated content therefore unreliable)
 * Beijing Student's Autonomous Federation should be removed because the only sources for the image are NTDTV and Medium which are two unreliable sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by AAAAA143222 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * (maybe) the chinese social democratic party flag should be removed (because it is possible given undue weight because there is almost no source outside its own website to indicate that it's noticeable enough)
 * The TIP flag is not sourced on the TIP article either, so it should be removed
 * the "fictional flags" section should be also removed because it is original research.
 * and CRWflags may be unreliable because most people on the noticeboard believe that CRWflags/FOTW are not very reliable, such as Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 22 and Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 154. AAAAA143222 (talk) 22:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I did not know about the further development of the discussion, and I would like to participate. Please use this next time.  Put the flags that need a link or some other source into the table.


 * OK AAAAA143222 (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I added unsourced or incorrectly sourced flags in the table below AAAAA143222 (talk) 14:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Swiãtopôłk In the sources for the Amis Music Festival flag, only buzzorange and theinitium are not user-generated content and talk about the flag. But the name of the flag in the article is "Amis National Flag". So I will add them to the article.
 * However In the sources for the second Amis flag, there is no mention of the flag AAAAA143222 (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Swiãtopôłk Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source so I don't think that the "Shanxi military government" flag has a reliable source.
 * The sources for the Concentric Patriot Alliance are facebook and upmedia.mg. I don't know about upmedia.mg and facebook is unreliable. (i don't think that an individual image can be used as a citation because it does not mention the flag's name and usage) AAAAA143222 (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is certainly proof of their existence and use. I am still looking for information on the year of the introduction of the CCPA flag. In the case of the native flag, I don't know what information to look for. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 12:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * but it's an unreliable source AAAAA143222 (talk) 12:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is hard to find a better source than the photo, and where it was published is usually irrelevant. I mean the confirmation of authenticity and not data such as years of use.Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * only reliable sources should be used and if it's only a photo without context then it shouldn't be used as a source
 * and in the shanghainationalparty.com article, there is no mention of the shanghai independence movement/cantonia indepdence movement flag. furthermore it may be WP:SPS. AAAAA143222 (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Swiãtopôłk The first two sources for the Chushi Gangdruk flag do not state that it's the flag of the Chushi Gangdruk and third source is user-generated content and the fourth source does not show the flag AAAAA143222 (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Swiãtopôłk The source for the "Shanxi military government flag" is a forum post so it is unreliable AAAAA143222 (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the BSAF Flag
I've just re-added the the flag Beijing Students' Autonomous Federation because of importance of that group was during the 64 Incident. It was deleted before because it had no source, there's I think there's enough evidence to say that the flag existed and was used. I've added a preliminary source which is self published. But is honestly the best one I could find. I know there's rules against self-published and primary sources, but I feel like in this case an exception because of the BSAF's historical importance. TypeKnight03 (talk) 21:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

should this flag be removed?
the flag "War flag of the Tanshan Hero Group (123rd Heavy Combined Arms Brigade)" should possibly be removed because it isn't relevant enough as a flag of a single portion of the armed forces AAAAA143222 (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)