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Moons
I notice claimed "traditional star names" for moons of Neptune, etc. Huh? These were only discovered about 20 years ago with spacecraft, so they can hardly have names that are traditional! Will "traditional" chinese names keep appearing for newly discovered satellites? I think these satellites should be removed from the list, or at the very least some comment should be made so that they do not make their part of the list ridiculous. Deuar 13:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are not "traditional". For example, Titan in Chinese is 土衛六/土卫六, literally Saturn VI. — Yao Ziyuan 03:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that they aren't even stars. Pfhreak (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Charon
You list Charon, which is a disambiguation page, not an astronomical object. If you meant Charon (moon), then that moon is already on the list. I can't delete one of them because they have different Chinese equivalents. Although I'm not set up to display Chinese characters, one shows as ?? and one shows as ???, that is, 2 question marks instead of 3, so they can't be the same even when displayed properly. Also, Hermes presumably means 69230 Hermes. Art LaPella 20:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Charon (moon) cannot be a traditional star name. It's not a star, and Charon the moon was discovered after the emergence of traditional chinese star names. It's kind of post-traditional... ... said: Rursus (bork²) 16:04, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Romanization?
Very good list!! But my Chinese literacy is a little limited (for now, maybe to be improved later - nobody disputes the importance of the Chinese culture). Maybe if someone inclined could add a Pinyin pronunciation? Or - that is, if I'm going to do it myself - are all Chinese glyphs pronounced unambiguously if I'm restricting myself to using the pinyin/mandarin pronunciation? Said: Rursus ☻ 15:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer it to have Wade-Giles, and some Cantonese romanization, since those are the most likely to have been encountered in the west. 70.51.11.91 (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Note taken. Said: Rursus (☻) 09:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Links to be used: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/ - the file Unihan.zip contains kCantonese slots relevant for Cantonese, however: there are at least 6 accents! Tough! I'll make some relevant hack. Said: Rursus (☻) 17:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Took a time before hacking some PostgreSQL, and now I'm still trying to verify what I'm doing. I'm not very clear about the purpose of this mega-dump of this and that astronomy related, if β/γ UMi have the names 北極一/二 (bàakgihk{jàt/jih}) and α/δ/ε/ζ UMi have the names 勾陳一/二/三/四 (àucàhn{jàt/jih/sàam/sei}), such "names" smells like designations not names proper... This is not a big deal, however, since the article can be renamed accordingly, but terms such as chinese translations of neutron star should be removed. They don't belong to wikipedia, wiktionary is a much more appropriate place for such. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 16:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm still considering Mandarin instead of Cantonese. Depends on Ta Tsun and such star names that have been adopted in the west. Are they Cantonese or Mandarin, that's the question. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 16:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The names don't look like Cantonese. They instead look like old Mandarin. F.ex.:
 * α Ara, Choo/Tchou, 杵, Mandarin: chǔ “pestle”, Cantonese: Cýu;
 * β Lup, Kekouan, 騎官, Mandarin: qíguān “cavalry officer”, Cantonese: Geihgùn (Sei)
 * ε Sco, Wei, 尾, Mandarin: wěi “the Tail”, Cantonese: Méih.
 * I change my mind (and PostgreSQL code): it should be some medieval or such Mandarin. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 21:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And secondly: I think that Wade-Giles wasn't around when the aforementioned stars were moved to tWCS (the Western Cultural Sphere), so Pinyin, the transcription default for Mandarin Chinese, becomes prio 1 for me. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 08:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Table-ize
This should be converted into tables, by the 88 IAU constellations, and another set by Chinese constellation, with all the chinese names for the stars listed, and notes on when they were used. The IAU section should be ordered by Bayer designation, or Flamsteed ; The chinese constellation section should be ordered by chinese traditional ordering. Additionally, the Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese cognates should be listed in the chinese section. 70.51.11.91 (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Contains too much!!
The article name is "Traditional Chinese star names", but it contains a vast astronomical dictionary in Chinese. Those entries not being star names, should be in other articles. Said: Rursus (☻) 21:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And how do we know the unexplained entries aren't excerpts from Chou En Lai's diary? I'll move them to here because they seems to be pretty meaningless in the article. Said: Rursus (☻) 21:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD survival summary
(AfD = "Articles for deletion")

The article survived this Nomination for deletion. As a complementary information to the template that is in the article, and specifically The AfD discussion, I'll here try to summarize what the AfD discussion says: ... said: Rursus (bork²) 09:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Symbol?
What does :-) mean under Eta Ursae Majoris? Is that supposed to be 哂 ? 166.217.54.204 (237wins) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.217.54.204 (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like a joke to me, but since my knowledge of Chinese has one hole larger than the topic itself, I don't dare to do anything. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 15:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

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Per WP:ZH, we should move Chinese characters into the appropriate articles and out of the body of others. Does 火羅/火罗 belong at Chinese astronomy or Chinese zodiac? — LlywelynII  14:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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I'm sure the sections on planetary, solar, and lunar terms are quite useful and belong somewhere on Wikipedia. However, an article on star names is not the right place. Moved here in the meantime:

Misc. astronomical terms in Chinese:

Chinese terminology regarding the solar system:

Chinese terminology regarding the Moon:

Chinese names for new planets:

Planetary moons:

Planetoids

The 3 Enclosures & 28 Lunar Mansions:

[Removed article text < ! - - commented out - - > above.] — LlywelynII  16:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Moved section on Western constellations within the Chinese system to the Chinese constellations page. — LlywelynII  16:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Began grouping the traditional Chinese star names by ... traditional Chinese constellations. (Why was that not already the standard? It's easy enough to search up or down for the Western names, but the page is on Chinese culture.) — LlywelynII  16:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Did a lot, but tired for now. Moved the remaining western constellations here, for conversion and formatting:

Chinese stars in Scorpius:

Chinese stars in Sculptor:

Chinese stars in Serpens:

Chinese stars in Sextans

Chinese stars in Taurus: 
 * 五車五, 五车五, 五帝车五, 五車东南星 	β Tauri
 * 天關, 天关 	ζ Tauri, very close to June Solstice
 * 蟹狀星雲, 天關客星, 天关客星 M1
 * 畢宿一, 毕宿一, 畢宿距星, 畢宿右股第—星 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲, 毕右角) 	ε Tauri
 * 畢宿二, 毕宿二 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲, 毕右角) δ3 Tauri
 * 畢宿三, 毕宿三, 畢宿右股第三星, 天庾中大星 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲, 毕右角) 	δ¹ Tauri
 * 畢宿四, 毕宿四, 畢宿中央星 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	γ Tauri
 * 畢宿五, 毕宿五, 边将, 畢宿左股第—星, 畢宿大星 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 黄道四大天王, 天纲, 毕左角) 	α Tauri
 * 畢宿六, 毕宿六, 畢宿左股第二星 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲, 毕左角) θ²  Tauri
 * 畢宿七, 毕宿七 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲, 毕左角) 71 Tauri
 * 畢宿八, 毕宿八 (天畢, 濁, 西方白虎, 天纲) λ  Tauri
 * 畢星, 畢星團, 畢宿星團, 雨降星 Hyades
 * 天街一 κ² Tauri. In Astrology, China is south to it, other nations are north to it.
 * 天街二 ω² Tauri. In Astrology, China is south to it, other nations are north to it.
 * 昴宿一, 昴宿距星, 昴宿西南第—星 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	17 Tauri
 * 昴宿二 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	19 Tauri
 * 昴宿三 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	21 Tauri
 * 昴宿四 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	20 Tauri
 * 昴宿五 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎, 天纲) 	23 Tauri
 * 昴宿六, 昴宿西第五星 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎,天纲) 	η Tauri
 * 昴宿七 (留, 髦头) 	27 Tauri
 * 昴宿增十二 	28 Tauri
 * 昴宿增十六 	16 Tauri
 * 昴宿星團, 七姊妹, 七簇星, Japanese-六連星 (留, 髦头, 旄頭, 大梁, 西陆, 西方白虎) Pleiades
 * 附耳  σ2 Tauri
 * 左更西南星	90 Tauri
 * 司怪一 139 Tauri
 * 諸王一 136 Tauri
 * 諸王二 125 Tauri
 * 諸王三 118 Tauri
 * 諸王四 103 Tauri
 * 諸王五 99 Tauri
 * 諸王六, 华盖中央大星 τ Tauri
 * 天廩一 5 Tauri
 * 天廩二 4 Tauri
 * 天廩三 ξ Tauri
 * 天廩四 ο Tauri
 * 月, 月星 天月 37 Tauri
 * 礪石一, 砺石一 ψ Tauri
 * 礪石二, 砺石二 44 Tauri
 * 礪石三, 砺石三 χ Tauri
 * 礪石四, 砺石四 φ Tauri
 * 天節一 π Tauri
 * 天節二 ρ Tauri
 * 天節三 57 Tauri
 * 天節四 79 Tauri
 * 天節五 89 Tauri
 * 天節六 93 Tauri
 * 天節七 88 Tauri
 * 天節八 66 Tauri
 * 天高一 ι Tauri
 * 天高二 97 Tauri
 * 天高四 109 Tauri
 * 九斿一, 九游一, 九旒一 HD 29335

Chinese names for stars in the Big & Little Dippers: <!--===Ursa Major===


 * 天樞, 天枢, 北斗一, 紐星, 天魁, 贪狼, 正星, 秦, 枢星, 天蓬, 阳明, 陽明貪狼太星君, 生氣 (斗魁, 指极星, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰,紫白九星, 七元解厄星君,璇玑) α Ursae Majoris
 * 天璇, 北斗二, 从魁, 巨门, 法星, 楚, 旋星, 天芮, 阴精, 隔角煞, 陰精巨門元星君, 天醫, 魁星 (斗魁, 指极星, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 璇玑) β Ursae Majoris
 * 天璣, 天玑, 北斗三, 禄存, 令星, 梁, 机星, 天机, 天冲, 天沖, 军市西北星, 真人, 囚宿, 次桃花, 真人祿存真星君, 禍害 (斗魁, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 璇玑) γ Ursae Majoris
 * 天權, 天权, 權星, 权星, 文曲星 北斗四, 伐星, 吴, 天辅, 玄冥, 玄武, 真武, 玄冥文曲紐星君, 六煞 (斗魁, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 璇玑) δ Ursae Majoris
 * 玉衡, 衡星, 北斗五, 廉贞, 杀星, 燕, 天禽, 丹元, 丹元廉貞綱星君, 五鬼 (斗杓, 天罡, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 玉衡)	ε Ursae Majoris
 * 開陽, 开星, 开阳, 闿阳, 北斗六, 武曲, 危星, 赵, 天心, 北极, 财星, 北極武曲紀星君, 延年 (斗杓, 天罡, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 玉衡)     ζ Ursae Majoris
 * 搖光, 摇星, 瑤光, 北斗七, 破軍, 破军, 部星, 应星, 齐, 天柱星, 天兰, 天关, 天關, 關星, 耗星, 天衡, 天衝破軍關星君, 絕命, 魉星 (斗杓, 天罡, 北斗七元, 北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 七元解厄星君, 玉衡) 	η Ursae Majoris


 * 開陽增一, 輔，輔星, 開陽伴星, 天任, 左辅星, 洞明, 勾陈天皇大帝 (北斗九辰, 紫白九星, 贵人星，辅佐星, 辅助星) 80 Ursae Majoris
 * 天英星, 弼星, 右辅, 右弼, 隐元, 紫微北极大帝, 天庫星, 天財 (北斗九星, 紫白九星, 贵人星，辅佐星, 辅助星) used in astrology M101?
 * 太陽守, 太阳守 χ Ursae Majoris
 * 上台一, 三台一, 上台距星, 天子 (三能, 天柱, 天住, 大司命, 司命, 天階, 泰階, 上階) 	ι Ursae Majoris
 * 上台二, 三台二, 女主 (三能, 天柱, 天住, 大司命, 司命, 天階, 泰階, 上階)	κ Ursae Majoris
 * 中台一, 三台三, 中台距星, 诸侯三公 (三能, 天柱, 天住, 司中, 天階, 泰階, 中階) 	λ Ursae Majoris
 * 中台二, 三台四, 卿大夫 (三能, 天柱, 天住, 司中, 天階, 泰階, 中階)	μ Ursae Majoris


 * 下台一, 三台五,下台距星, 士, 东北柱	(三能, 天柱, 天住, 司禄, 天階, 泰階, 下階) ν Ursae Majoris
 * 下台二, 三台六, 庶人 (三能, 天柱, 天住, 司禄, 天階, 泰階, 下階) 	ξ Ursae Majoris
 * 梟狀星雲 M97
 * 少輔, 紫右四 24 Ursae Majoris
 * 三師一 (紫微垣) ρ Ursae Majoris
 * 三師三 (紫微垣) σ¹ Ursae Majoris
 * 文昌二 υ Ursae Majoris
 * 文昌三 φ Ursae Majoris
 * 文昌四 θ Ursae Majoris
 * 文昌五 15 Ursae Majoris
 * 文昌六 18 Ursae Majoris
 * 太尊 (太微垣) ψ Ursae Majoris, Ta Tsun,
 * 常陳七 67 Ursae Majoris
 * 三公一 斗杓東三公一 (紫微垣) M51

Ursa Minor

 * 太子, 北極一 (紫微垣, 皇極, 中宫, 紫微宫, 小北斗, 伏羲五星, 北極三公, 子属)	γ Ursa Minoris
 * 帝, 帝座, 帝坐, 北極二, 帝王, 昊天上帝, 皇天上帝, 上帝, 天皇帝, 天帝, 天皇大帝, 大帝, 皇皇帝天, 北河东大星, 紫微星, 太一, 天神太一, 太帝, 太极, 北极, 天极, 大恒, 太恒 (紫微五帝座, 紫微垣, 皇極, 中宫, 紫微宫, 小北斗, 伏羲五星) β Ursa Minoris, old North Star circa 21000 BC?
 * 庶子一 ,北極三 (伏羲五星, 北極三公, 子属) 5 Ursa Minoris
 * 庶子二?, 庶子次星, 北極四? (伏羲五星, 北極三公, 子属)
 * 後宮, 后宫, 北極四 or 北極五 (伏羲五星, 北極三公, 子属) 4 Ursa Minoris, old North Star circa A.D. 1200
 * 北極星, 極星, 北辰, 中宮, 天極, 北極天樞, 樞星, 纽星, 北極五 or 北極六 (紫微垣, 皇極, 中宫, 紫微宫, 小北斗) North Star, also the North Pole Star, could shift to different stars at different times due to the precession of the Earth. A complete revolution takes about 25,860 years.
 * 勾陳一, 勾陈—, 钩陈—, 勾陳大星 α Ursa Minoris, Polaris, modern North Star.


 * 勾陳二, 勾陈二, 钩陈二 (紫微垣, 皇極, 中宫, 紫微宫, 小北斗) 	δ Ursa Minoris
 * 勾陳三, 勾陈三, 钩陈三 ε Ursa Minoris
 * 勾陳四, 勾陈四, 钩陈四 (紫微垣, 皇極, 中宫, 紫微宫, 小北斗, 伏羲五星) 	ζ Ursa Minoris
 * 勾陳五, 勾陈五, 钩陈五 HD 5848
 * 勾陳六, 勾陈六, 钩陈六 HD 217382
 * (小北斗) ζ Ursa Minoris
 * (小北斗) ε Ursa Minoris
 * 勾陳增五 	11 Ursa Minoris or λ Ursa Minoris?
 * 勾陳增九 	ξ? Ursa Minoris
 * 觜宿西南星	30 Ursa Minoris
 * 天床一 (紫微垣) NSV 6593
 * 天床二 (紫微垣) NLTT 39751
 * 天床三 (紫微垣) HD 141653
 * 天床五 (紫微垣) RR Ursa Minoris

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Chinese names for stars in Vela:

Chinese names for stars in Virgo:

[Removed article text < ! - - commented out - - > above.] — LlywelynII  14:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Catagorize?
If it ever gets finished this will be a huge article. It would make sense to break the list down into manageable pieces. Perhaps by enclosures and mansions? Or symbol then enclosure or mansion? Example: Azure Dragon of the East -> Horn -> Horn, Flat Road, Celestial Farmland, Recommending Virtuous Men, etc. Zaryn (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Expansion
The current article is very detailed about proper names of stars in Chinese, but it lacks the "systematic" part of Chinese star naming. If people have no problem with this, I'm planning to expand this article into a full list containing every star that has a Chinese name (about 3000) and arrange them into a table similar to the Table of stars with Bayer designations. Esiymbro (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Dipper for Liquids
The 5th principal star in 斗 (Dǒu, Dipper [for Liquids]) is given as 33 Her, which is a very faint star of visual magnitude 7.30. According to the Chinese Wikipedia article Dipper for Liquids the 5th star is 28 Her, a much brighter star close to 33 Her. This seems more likely, as the principal stars of these traditional constellations are naked-eye stars. - Eroica (talk) 09:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, added stars +3, +4 and +5 are identified as 46 Her, 45 Her and 47 Her. Should these not be 46 Ser, 45 Ser and 47 Ser, which are also close to +2 (15 Her) and +6 (12 Her)? - Eroica (talk) 09:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've corrected them, as the article Serpens in Chinese astronomy agrees with my assessment of the situation. - Eroica (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Green Hill
This constellation was originally in Centaurus, but precession carried its stars too far south to be easily observed from China, so the constellation was moved to Hydra. (See Ian Ridpath, Star Tales.) But the second principal star is identified here with HIP 58518 (HD 104213), which is in Centaurus, far from the other nine stars. This is surely an error. I suggest HIP 57841 (HD 103026) as a replacement. Eroica (talk) 08:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)