Talk:List of Conan episodes

Episode Titles
Since each episode of Conan is going to have a title, is there anyway to add it to the list? I originally added an "EpisodeTitle" the lnep/begin template, but had to undo the change when I realized that it affected a bunch of other shows too -Zomic13 (talk) 05:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get why changing Template:Conan episode list affects other templates. We need to figure something out. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing that template adds extra boxes underneath the orange title bar, but doesn't add anything to the orange title bar, which appears to be controlled by the lnep/begin template which is used by other shows. -Zomic13 (talk) 04:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It works now! Well done! --Muboshgu (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Sketches
Any reason why someone keeps removing the sketches space? It works well on List of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien episodes, so why not here? Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 18:07, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Am I going mad?
I saw a promo today for the December 1st episode (which is airing right now), and I swear to god I heard Conan say the musical guest was going to be Pink. But now he's saying that the musical guest is going to be Cake! I feel almost certain I didn't mis-hear it, because after saying that his guests would be Joel McHale and Tim Gunn in addition to what I heard as Pink, he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Tune in to see who acts bitchier!" Is it possible they changed musical guest at the last second, or did I just hear Cake as Pink? I know this isn't a discussion forum, but if the musical guest was changed at the eleventh hour, a note should be made, I think. The Mach Turtle (talk) 04:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Ratings column
The Ratings column needs to be updated with sourced info. -- Cirt (talk) 06:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ratings haven't been released. Gage (talk) 07:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC).

Format change
I propose the format be changed to include an overview/sketches featured in each episode, I also propose that each month get its own section (something along the line of this). Because its easier to read, looks better, and better laid out.

Also, with the exception of a "Title" column, many other Late Night Comedy shows in the same format as Conan feature a format like this ...


 * List of the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien episodes
 * List of Lopez Tonight episodes
 * List of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson episodes
 * List of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno episodes
 * List of The Jay Leno Show episodes
 * List of Late Night with Jimmy Fallon episodes

Grapesoda22 (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you find a way to properly source all of the sketch info, then it is considered original research, which makes up most of the lists you just mentioned. I oppose your proposal, and will not waver in my opinion. Gage (talk) 05:43, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources of sketch info are the episodes themselves. Use Cite episode. --Rita Moritan (talk) 18:26, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to weigh in on the sketch debate, but I've gone ahead and reorganized into year/month format. The original decision to put them all under "Season 1" was kind of dumb. DigiFluid (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Minor proposition
This isn't a huge deal, but why not just remove Arlene Wagner from the "Guest(s)" column for episode #1? To be completely honest, even though she's been called the first guest and there was even a first guest vote with her on it, it doesn't seem to me like she counts. She was on the show only somewhat briefly and isn't really the same caliber as a celebrity. Her whole appearance was basically a sketch. If you're going to keep her you might as well just add Will Forte for his portrayals of Ted Turner for each episode he's been in, add Jack McBrayer for his appearance on the Valentine's Day episode, add William Shatner for his appearance(s), and add Larry King for his recent appearance and his appearance in the intro video to the first episode.

Just a thought.

Regards,

Uhai (talk · contribs) 08:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well since I noticed that she was actually on the schedule list, I added her back. - Uhai (talk &middot; contribs) 00:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Reorganization
First, I believe we should break it up per month. There are no "seasons" for a talk-show. Months is the best way to organize it, and is an easier way to find specific episodes.

Going back to the sketches citation, I think citing the official website itself, which provides images and videos of sketches would be an official source. If there are no objections, I could start as soon as possible. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 00:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried this a little while ago (minus the sketches). Certain Wikipedians seem to think inconsistency across like articles is cool, so don't be surprised if it gets reverted on you.  I, for one, support the change though. DigiFluid (talk) 04:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that the Year/Month organization is better, in fact I'd liked how you organize it, very clear and easy accessable for month. I don't know why now it's been reverted to the "big list". Giskard (talk) 08:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I just reverted it back to the monthly format. While the sketches idea might not work (though it seems to be fine on the other late-night lists), the monthly format is easier to look at and find specific episodes. Plus, there is more support for this format than others, so I'm not sure why one person opposes it and changes it.. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Reorganization -- VOTE
Well, I guess we need a vote regarding the format. Who's for the new format, divided by month? Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It will match the other late-night episode pages. Besides, it is much easier to find episodes according to the month, rather than having a block of episodes from an entire year. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It absolutely should be year/month organized. Doing it by "seasons" is ludicrous for a nightly show in the first place, nobody thinks of talk shows as functioning in "seasons" in the commonly accepted use of the word with regards to TV shows.  Furthermore, organizing by year/month is consistent with the styles used in the episode lists of other late night talk shows as linked a couple posts above this.  What kind of encyclopedia uses inconsistent styling?  I get the feeling that the "season" approach is a legacy of an early version of the page that nobody bothered to correct at the beginning, and now we're stuck with it because they didn't fix it back then.  So let's fix it now--year/month organization is the obviously better choice. DigiFluid (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy. Gage (talk) 06:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * vote or not vote, I certanly prefers a Year/Month organization. Giskard (talk) 06:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's true that Wikipedia is not a democracy, but the discussion seems to be going nowhere. Since the reasons for changing the format (precedents on other pages/better navigation) are already established, I believe it's up to Gage--or any other user against the change--to present valid reasons why it should remain unchanged. -- DaJungKi talk2me 08:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It might not be a democracy, but a with the number of supporters to change the layout, along with the number of reasons why the layout should be changed, plus the lack of reasons why the current layout is the better choice, it'd be ridiculous to not change it. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 17:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

This is absurd. Apart from one or two curmudgeons with no valid arguments, we HAVE consensus. DigiFluid (talk) 02:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree 100%, talk shows don't have "seasons", and dividing by months would be a lot easier to read. I also prefer the list to include sketches included in each episode as well. Grapesoda22 (talk) 05:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I left a message on Gage's talk page. He has not yet responded, but he has made contributions to Wikipedia since then, so I'm assuming he's read my message. If he (or any other user) does not respond with valid reasons for opposing the change within a week, I propose we change it, and if it is again reverted, ask for the assistance of an admin. -- DaJungKi talk2me 05:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. DigiFluid (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to wait until the 3rd, which is a week since this topic started. If nothing comes up until then, we should change it. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 03:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

If the article ends up switching to this format should we also add in the sketches featured in each episode like I suggested earlier? and If not can we make every other column shaded light grey? Grapesoda22 (talk) 06:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm down with adding sketches, but we'll need to find a source. We can use Team Coco's video page, but it'll take time to list all of them. I like the idea of a different shade of grey for every second column. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Steve Zampanides
Is Conan trolling us? I don't think Steve Zampanides is an actual guest, or even an actual person for that matter. On a related note, this is a wonderful edit. – Zntrip 05:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm betting this Steve is a fictional person as well. Nothing shows up in Google searches except a Twitter account (which could be faked) and that he was announced as a guest on the show.  Highly suspect, especially in this day and age.  Sb2007 (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

According to a whois lookup, Steve Zampanides's official website is registered at 4000 Warner Blvd., Burbank, California to John Wooden, whose e-mail domain name is conacotv.com. Also the site was created on August 8. Looks like this isn't a real person, just a Conaco creation. – Zntrip 20:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Season VS. Series
Hi, I just didn't want to spark another debate but I was just reading an article from The Wall Street Journal somebody linked to on TWOP and they referred to this past year as Season 1 and is a reputable publication. What I think this article means is that I believe that TBS buys Conan for 1 year or "season" at a time depending on ratings. It states that they haven't bought Conan for Season 3 yet. But there are shorter breaks between Seasons, unlike Ellen. So you could say that both Obi Dan Kenob and Gage Skidmore are right in a way.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903639404576514691273411486.html 174.89.239.89 (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)   samusek2
 * The debate wasn't about whether or not it is a season or a year, but rather about the presentation. I have no problem putting it under the title of "Season 1," as long as the months are separated. It makes it much easier to locate a specific episode. But thanks for the link! Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

A full year
Conan almost reached a year full of shows. I was thinking about starting a new article, titled "List of Conan episodes (2011-2012)", and rename this one to "List of Conan episodes (2010-2011)", so the page won't go on forever. For example, check out List of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson episodes. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Seems like a good idea to me. However, I think we should have an article for each calendar year instead of going by the Conan calendar which starts in November. The first article would have two extra months, going from November 2010 through 2011. But after that we should just go by the year. – Zntrip 20:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we could divide episodes list articles by seasons? I believe season two started in September. – Zntrip 03:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No damned "seasons", please. We just fought that war not too long ago.  Re: shows by years though I'm in complete agreement, come January.  It makes more sense to go by calendar years (as has been done with other lists of talk show episodes), but it's a little overkill to just have Oct-Dec 2010 as the first one. I'm thinking Oct 2010-Dec 2011 for first page, then just calendar years after that with a re-direct in place from List of Conan episodes to whatever the current year is. DigiFluid (talk) 17:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what I'm thinking too, Oct 2010-Dec 2011 for the first article and then a calendar year for subsequent articles. – Zntrip 17:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds like you and I are on the same page then. What does everyone else think? DigiFluid (talk) 06:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Sublists
I think we can all agree that this list will have to be broken up into several articles as it continues to expand. The consensus from previous discussions seems to be that all the episodes form 2010 to 2011 will be moved to "List of Conan episodes (2010–2011)" and the current episodes will be listed here until they too are archived. The reason I reverted Obi Dan Kenobi's recent migration to the archived page is that 2011 isn't over yet and there are more upcoming episodes. Once the show is done for the year, however, the episodes can be moved back. Does that sound acceptable? – Zntrip 22:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan! Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 05:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well with January's episodes confirmed as being on the schedule, I don't see why we can't just go ahead and do it now (and just change the redirect in a couple weeks time). But really--it's only two weeks until the new year, so I don't really care if we wait either. DigiFluid (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Alright...after that talk and jumping the gun, it seems we all forgot about it for two months (lol). So I've gone ahead and archived 2010-11 now as their own page, and made the appropriate edit to this page, using this as my style reference. I didn't like the parentheses look though, so I've done without that. DigiFluid (talk) 21:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Compilation Special and Episode Numbering
Are we sure that we want the compilation special to be in the list of episodes? Defining the compilation as an episode complicates the ability to get a accurate episode count. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Patrick McDougle (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no compelling reason to categorize the compilation special as anything other than a regular episode. It generally had the same format and had the same length as a normal episode. The only difference is that it had mostly old material and was aired at a different time. – Zntrip 21:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the episode schedule on teamcoco's schedule, tonight's episode (Jan. 30, 2012) is number 205. I assume this is because teamcoco.com did not count the compilation special as an episode. Do we really want to dispute the show's website in this respect? -Patrick McDougle 04:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed with you Patrick. Unless an official site has a glaringly obvious error to it, it should most definitely be used as the most valid reference. As this is simply a question of whether we should do it, and the official site provides an answer, I say the case is closed. DigiFluid (talk) 22:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Now i'm confused. The last new episode on teamcoco's episode pages (Jack black, Simon Doonan) is numbered Episode 252(http://teamcoco.com/schedule/2012-17), yet on this Wikipedia page, it's numbered 251. Did teamcoco number the Compilation special in the regular episode scheme, or did someone on Wikipedia make a mistake with regards to episode numbering? Should the last episode be numbered as 251 or 252?70.83.85.91 (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)samusek2

Episode titles
It looks like they stopped creating episode titles. Can someone change the template? So that it shows everything except for the episode title. Because if they cease to create new titles it would be redundant to keep putting "None". Aqlpswkodejifrhugty (talk) 09:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried creating a new template but it still shows it in the header, can someone help me out on this? Aqlpswkodejifrhugty (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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