Talk:List of Crimean War Victoria Cross recipients

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 * The Crimean War was originally known as the Russian war by the British. Of 111 awards of the Victoria Cross 105 were in the Crimea and adjacent waters, five in the Baltic and the last Army award (Teesdale) was at Kars in eastern Anatolia in Turkey near the Russian border. No civilians were awarded the Victoria Cross for the Crimean War.
 * Since all the Crimean awards were to the British Army and Royal Navy I would not mention later extensions to the British Empire and Commonwealth.
 * Since Queen Victoria presented less than 40% of awards during her reign and less that 10% of those awards were presented at Buckingham Palace I would delete this sentence and move to here the information about Hyde Park on 26 June 1857.
 * I would only use Ashcroft as a reference for his own collection. It is overwhelming a reprint of sales catalogues of medals he bought. The best modern reference for the general public is Max Arthur’s Symbol of Courage. The specialist would have access to The Register of the Victoria Cross (3rd Edition) and the late Dave Harvey’s two volume Monuments of Courage.
 * After casualties for Sevastopol I would add three quarters died from disease.
 * I would not mention Austria-Hungry although the Russian occupation of Moldavia and Wallachia was why the British and French sent troops to the Balkans. Suggest Fighting mainly ceased after the fall of Sevastopol and the war ended with the Treaty of Paris signed on 30 March 1856 which made the Black Sea neutral territory, closing it to all warships, and prohibiting fortifications and the presence of armaments on its shores.
 * For the Table Teesdale should be Kars, Turkey and Clifford should be 1st Bn, Rifle Brigade. There should be a general note that particularly in the first gazette of 24 Feb 1857 there are multiple actions commended for many individuals. Sometimes the actual date is specified, sometimes the name of the battle and sometime both dates and the name of the battle. Suggest that for consistency the word battle be deleted from names of battles.Anthony Staunton (talk) 03:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Added in that it was called the Russian War
 * I have left the Empire etc in as it is still correct, even though no recipients for the Crimean War were from thise groups. I don't feel it is confusing.
 * Amended the Victoria/investiture bit
 * I used what I have available for references. It is a published work, and indeed, for most people, it is a respectable source. The other sources you mention would be acceptable in a "Further reading" section, but I cannot include them in the References section in good faith, as I have not used them as references.
 * Added Sevastapol note, and notes on end of war
 * Made the table fixes.
 * Thanks as ever for the comments Anthony. Please comment if your objections have not been rectified to your satisfaction. Regards. Woody (talk) 23:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking account of the suggestions. I am pleased that you adopted most of them.Anthony Staunton (talk) 08:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Order of awarding
Was the original order of awarding alphabetical, or chronological?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry this reply has been extremely long in coming, but how do you mean? At the actual investiture? No, that was done by rank. In terms of being gazetted, that was also done on rank as the links to the gazette show, though it was haphazard in terms of release dates and came out in drips. This was due to the nature of the nomination process back then. Woody (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Minor points
It was French practice to add the 'b' to Sevastopol. All modern British sources spell it with a 'v'. In the 'Place of Action' column some link to the Battle article, some link to the geographical article. Eg: Jonh Byrne and George Symons both won their VC's at Inkerman but 'Inkerman' leads to different articles. I think 'Sevastopol' should link to the seige ie: Siege of Sevastopol (1854–1855) not Sevastopol. I'm guessing you wanted them all to link to the battle where the medal was won. Thanks. Rebel Redcoat (talk) 14:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have now made them all consistent with each other. They are now all piped towards the specific battle/siege. Regards, Woody (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. A very useful article. Rebel Redcoat (talk) 15:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The first awards ceremony
The last sentence in the first para is "The first ceremony was held on 26 June 1857 where Queen Victoria invested 62 of the 111 Crimean recipients in Hyde Park.[1]" and is almost identical to the last sentence in the third para "The first awards ceremony was held on 26 June 1857 where Queen Victoria invested 62 of the 111 Crimean recipients in Hyde Park.[3]" This seems unnecessary duplication. The sentence should be deleted from the first para, as it makes more sense in the third, which mentions associated dates. Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 11:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)