Talk:List of Days of Our Lives characters

Cleanup/expansion
I think that this list would be improved by adding a line or two of description under each character's name, similar to how is done at Minor characters of Days of our Lives and List of General Hospital characters. Also, the ToC could be improved. Currently it seems to list A-Z, and then start over with B-Z, though I'm unclear if that's simple duplication or if there's something else going on. The long vertical ToC should probably also be replaced with the horizontal version, such as is used in the GH list. --Elonka 17:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge
What do folks think of the idea of merging List of Days of our Lives characters and Minor characters of Days of our Lives into a single list? --Elonka 17:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the idea. I envision the minor character entries here as the new destinations for redirected links such as Melanie Layton, and for more important characters with their own articles (like Sami Brady) there can be a short identifying blurb to establish context for readers already looking at the list ("Daughter of Roman Brady and Marlene Evans and twin to Eric Brady...") with of course the names linked back to the main articles.
 * I also see no need for the "first name" list provided here (I believe that is actually how this list began), but we should make sure all of the entries are included as appropriate in the "last name" version. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 17:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, is that why the duplication? Yes, let's definitely get rid of one or the other, there's no need to maintain both a "sorted by last name" and "sorted by first name" list.  Let's standardize it with whatever is most common on the other soap "List of" pages. --Elonka 17:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the list was by first name with no performer info until just recently (9/28/08) ... I just checked and the full character lists for all of the other current U.S. soaps are last name-first name (well, except for Guiding Light, which doesn't seem to have a comprehensive list). &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 18:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Since there's no objection, I've started to merge some stuff over. There was a lot of good information at the (now deleted) Current Days of Our Lives characters...  I have a copy and can put it on a subpage if someone would like to work from it for the merge? --Elonka 19:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a great idea. I would just caution those who implement the merge (and add further info later) that the information should be as basic as possible for characters with their own extensive articles. Like for Sami, "Daughter of Roman Brady and Marlene Evans and twin to Eric Brady. Notably involved romantically with Austin Reed, Lucas Horton and E.J. DiMera" or something like that. Characters without articles (or who are not included in Minor characters of Days of our Lives or such) can have slightly more to establish how they fit in to the series, but as a rule it should probably not be a multi-paragraph, daily-updated plot summary. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 19:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've setup a temp page at User:Elonka/Dool, feel free to copy/paste anything from there that you'd like. --Elonka 19:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree to this merge, because some characters here are playing a bigger role than minor characters. All should be included in List of Days of our Lives Characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabi Hernandez (talk • contribs) 02:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose I completely disagree with this idea. Some of these characters are much more than just simple character. The regular cast article, doesn't even give a brief description. No, I don't like this idea at all. Sami50421 (talk) 23:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I vote FOR merging. There are several "minor characters" that have been fully integrated into the plot.  And this show tends to have people coming and going all the time, which clouds their status as major/minor characters.  It seems easier to just list everyone on a single page, unless the purpose of this page is to lump all the minor characters here, and give all the major characters their own pages.  If that's the case, then some of the formerly minor characters who have moved into the spotlight (e.g. Melanie) need to be moved from here to their own pages. TodKarlson (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * For, for many of the reasons stated above, especially those from TodKarlson. HR Mitchell 03:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moondancer (talk • contribs)


 * Comment Just make it happen. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose Per WP:Article size, specifically WP:SIZERULE The minor characters article is >140k long, far too long to consider merging it here. It is also unreferenced in parts and in an in-universe style. If it is to be merged, content should be cut from the minor article. Quasi  human  &#124;  Talk  15:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - agree with Quasihuman. --183.89.92.146 (talk) 08:54, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Error - Link To Wrong Page
First off, my apologies if I am going about this the wrong way.

The link in the article that is attached to the character "Larry Welch" directs readers to the wrong page. If one clicks on the name link for Larry Welch, it takes you to the article that is about the real live person that is Larry Welch, not the character from Days of our Lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I believe I fixed it, as best as I can. When users click on the Larry Welch name link, it directs them to the list of Minor Characters and directly to Larry Welch, not the real live person of Larry D. Welch it was previously directing to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

IVAN
Hey, who played Ivan, Vivian's former henchman? Surely he deserves a mention here. He's the guy standing behind her in the photo. & what was his last name? TodKarlson (talk) 06:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus, so we default to the status quo title, which means a move back to List of Days of Our Lives characters. There were reasonable arguments on both sides, but ultimately opinion was split and it was discovered that there is little consistency across Wikipedia. I'd recommend an RfC at a project level (say Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas if it's still active) to see if we can achieve a consensus on how these types of article should be titled across all soaps. Jenks24 (talk) 11:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Days of Our Lives characters → List of Days of Our Lives characters – This article was moved to List of Days of Our Lives characters per WP:CFDS. A few days later, Cebr1979 removed the words "List of" from the title. I changed it back, per naming conventions and the other articles in Category:Lists of soap opera characters by series. Without a discussion, Cebr1979 reverted the move, stating that "We don't use 'List of' anymore for these pages". I believe that if the article is a list, then it should be reflected in the title, as it already is in the article's status on the talk page. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This article was never "moved to List of Days of Our Lives characters per WP:CFDS" nor did I remove the words "List of" "a few days later." I changed the name yesterday but, this page had always been named "List of..." since it was created. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from but, it's all wrong.
 * Ah, I see now. You're incorrectly looking at categories and mistaking them for the page name. Yes, categories (and everything else Days-related) were changed (quite some time ago, I might add) to have "our" capitalized as "Our."
 * As stated, we haven't used "List of" on Days-related pages for some time now (or American soap pages as a whole). See:


 * General Hospital cast members
 * General Hospital characters (2010s)
 * General Hospital characters (2015)
 * The Young and the Restless cast members
 * The Young and the Restless characters
 * The Young and the Restless storylines
 * Days of Our Lives cast members
 * Days of Our Lives producers and writers
 * Days of Our Lives characters
 * Days of Our Lives characters (1970s)
 * Days of Our Lives characters (1980s)
 * Days of Our Lives characters (1990s)
 * Days of Our Lives characters (2000s)
 * Days of Our Lives characters (2010s)
 * And, quite frankly, the list just goes on and on and I've grown bored. I'm not sure why you care about one page when the rest are all done the same way. Like I said, simply have a look-see around.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And like I said, the naming convention for list-class articles, is to have "List of" in the title. I did have a "look around", and most of the articles in Category:Lists of soap opera characters by series and Category:Lists of actors by soap opera television series use the proper naming convention, including:
 * List of previous Days of Our Lives cast members
 * List of previous General Hospital cast members
 * List of General Hospital characters (1960s)
 * List of General Hospital characters (1970s)
 * List of General Hospital characters (1980s)
 * List of General Hospital characters (1990s)
 * List of General Hospital characters (2000s)
 * List of One Life to Live characters (1968–79)
 * List of One Life to Live characters (1980s)
 * List of One Life to Live characters (1990s)
 * List of One Life to Live characters (2000s)
 * List of One Life to Live characters (2010s)
 * as well as all the other non-American soap operas that you failed to mention. It would appear that the examples you provided need to be renamed as well. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The majority of the ones you've given are outdated or from cancelled shows and non-American soap operas are handled by a different group of editors than the American ones are. I really don't think you're gonna get anywhere with this.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I don't see a good reason to move. I see nothing wrong with the current title. --В²C ☎ 22:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For all the reasons I've listed.Cebr1979 (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. It's a list of characters, not an article about the characters. – anemone projectors – 08:34, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's not really a list of characters, it's an article featuring sub-articles of characters. There is zero wrong with the current titles as they are currently.  livelikemusic  my talk page! 00:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you explain what "an article featuring sub-articles of characters" means? To me, it's clearly an alphabetical list of characters. List of dog breeds is an alphabetical list of dog breeds, while Dog breed is an article about what a dog breed is. This isn't an article about what it means to be a character in Days of Our Lives. It's a list. – anemone projectors – 20:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As it is, the subarticles are all under See also. It could work as one, I suppose, but this really isn't as-is a directory to all the subarticles. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 03:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I would understand "an article featuring sub-articles of characters" to be something like List of EastEnders characters (2015), not something like List of EastEnders characters, or indeed this article. Is that what's meant by "sub-article"? – anemone projectors – 10:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I know wikipedia does say that it is preferred for the title of a list page to begin with "List of..." (only "preferred," not a must) however, that's never made any sense to me? If the average person were coming here to look up characters from Days of Our Lives,... Reasonably, they would search for "Days of Our Lives characters." Realistically, nobody would ever stop before hitting enter and think, "Golly gee, I better write 'List of' before the show's name!" Adding "List of" just seems like such a hindrance. *my two cents*Cebr1979 (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support: Have to agree with Anemone's reasoning here. It's not an article on characters, which I'd expect at the name, but instead a proseless alphabetical list of characters including what I assume are the actors who've played them. I also see no reason this specific subject area, American soap operas (I can't really say even all soaps because the two most prominent British soap operas, 1 2, I immediately check come up with List ofs...), should be held to a different naming standard to everything else. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 03:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That said, I wouldn't oppose, for the sake of consistency, leaving this as now in favour of a wider discussion. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 03:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment (for now): What we have, is a lotta inconsistency. See Characters of Supernatural vs. The Young and the Restless characters (cf. cat) and Category:Soap opera characters by series members along with Category:Lists of soap opera characters by series members. –84.92.129.87 (talk) 00:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.