Talk:List of Death Note episodes/Archive 1

Special Recap episode
what about the mention of Death Note Special recap episode 11.5 with Aya Hirano (Misa) and Haruka Kudou (Sayu) as hosts. Adreamtonight 17:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

25 is being aired right now, and is a Recap episode so far. Thinking about it, "再生" means "replay" or "playback" as much as it means "rebirth". The recap ends after the first commercial break. 61.208.141.245 16:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ep 22 IS "impatience"




—Preceding unsigned comment added by Byelf2007 (talk • contribs)


 * Unofficial translations mean nothing against each other. Li Jianliang has shown comprehension of the language and its subtleties, while you rely on what's probably just a free-online-translator translation of the kanji that's being passed off as more official. I will continue to support his namings of the episode(s) in question. Nique talk 23:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the initial episode title released may be altered later in time. Whether producer suddenly had a change of heart or error in releasing the initial title, I do not know, but I do my best to supply corrected titles as they come. "Impatience" was the initial title released for the episode but it has been changed. As far as I can tell, other websites either copy information from the Wikipedia page or get it from the original source without ever going back to correct it. All sources that you've posted are ENGLISH websites, which have third-hand information at best. Point me to a Japanese site, and I'll look at it seriously. -Atashi 00:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC) (Yes, this is Li Jianliang)

Verification of Episode Titles
For some reason, 'Death Note' has had the most mistaken initial episode titles of any anime shows that I've watched within the past year, at least 3 titles were changed between initial release and episode broadcast out of the 22 released thus far. -Atashi 02:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Question
The episode count is 31 so far. Two days from now, the 28th will air on NTV. How many more episodes are left to air? Thanks Sjones23 19:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As has been stated numerous times in various places, and as is visible if you clicked the link to the NTV site from the main Death Note article page, there are 37 episodes planned. The only reason all 37 aren't listed here is because the names haven't been released yet, and the sections for the episodes are added as the names are released. Nique talk 22:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comments. So, 4 more are left as To Be Announced (TBA) as of now (May 2, 2007). I hope NTV announces the last 4 episodes and its airdates. Sjones23 23:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Is there a point to the single episodes?
The only real information that is possible for a single episode is a plot summary, which is usually a no-no. Plus, they can easily be summarized in a paragraph. So is there any actual reason to keep them? Nemu 13:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree detailed plot summaries are misplaced on Wikipedia. It doesn't add anything encyclopedic. It's probably fancruft, too. Here are the guidelines. --Darkbane 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Per the above guideline, I have redirected these. They cannot possibly meet it at this point, so they are gone. TTN 12:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree The guidlines say this:


 * Here are some ideas for what information to include about a television episode, where possible:
 * A brief summary of the episode's plot
 * The episode's relevance in ongoing story arcs, if any
 * How the episode was received by critics
 * Information on production and broadcasting of the episode


 * The episodes fit two of the criteria and should stay.
 * Edit - granted, the summaries aren't that brief and could be described as a substitute for watching the show, but rather than removing them why not just rewrite them? Antisora 14:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It needs more than the summary, and production and broadcasting requires more than just the air date (something like Homer's Enemy is needed). You can't just pick and choose a couple; they need to fit most, if not all, of the criteria. There needs to be outside information backed by second and third party sources. TTN 17:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The primary criteria is really whether there are enough verifiable secondary sources to justify a page for each episode. Without that, we can't write enough about production, reception, or relevance to other story arcs (as no original research is allowed). So unless someone has a basement full of Japanese magazines which critically discuss each episode, and is willing to cite those sources, we can't really possibly justify them having a separate page. -- Darkbane  talk 21:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Whether is met the criteria or not, by unlinking the pages wikipedia has become a little worse than before. We could all rally and improve those pages, rather than cut them all together.


 * Removing content which goes against guidelines generally does not make Wikipedia worse than before. The pages are being removed because there is at present no serious justification to include them - none of us have any secondary sources for those pages. Once someone comes up with secondary sources for production and reception details about a given episode, it's okay to create a page for that episode again with the relevant, sourced content.
 * On another note, please sign your comments with ~ -- Darkbane  talk 00:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe not in general, but there could be a special cases, and I think that sort of decision should be made adhoc. Regardless, I think wikipedia is a little less useful to me - and to many - because of this decision. I was disapointed to discover the summaries had been done away with. 128.227.191.112 21:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Actual airing time
Does anyone know the actual time the episodes air at? Their website indicates "every Tuesday [at] 24:56" (00:56?), I can't imagine new episodes airing at 00:56. Andrew Eng 21:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They do, though. Maybe they put it so late because it's a more maturely-themed show? Whatever the reason, it does air at 00:56 Wednesday morning Japan-time, during the Tuesday night lineup. Nique talk 21:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots

 * Recent discussions on Wikipedia seriously suggest that screenshots used as decoration on episode lists are Bad (tm). Therefore I suggest we should get rid of the ones on this page. JuJube 05:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I think as long as the number of episodes doesn't run into hundreds like in the case of Naruto, the screenshots aren't that bad as a piece of decoration eZio 10:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots are being removed from many LOE's like Heroes and Naruto, guess someone has to do Death Note.eZio 07:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this. The screenshots were the best part of it, I hate whoever took them out. Also, what's with the deletion of the page for each episode? WTF.

I also disagree, deletion of the screeshots was not needed, Death Note is a series with a limited number of episodes which would have resulted in a heavy page.


 * Guys, this topic has been beaten to death when it first came up in the Family Guy episode list, and the consensus on the issue is that decorative use of images like that is not allowed under fair use. After that, all images in all episode lists got axed. Yes, it looks pretty, and I'd love those lists to have screenshots too, but that is just wishful thinking.


 * As for WTF is with the deletion of the page for each episode... that question is thoroughly answered on this very talk page. Scroll up a bit. -- Darkbane  talk 20:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, what about the Simpsons Episode list? Pictures and summaries for every episode and that series runs on hundreds... --BiT 08:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode 37 summary removed
This episode has not aired as of my writing this. There is a chance that this episode will contradict the manga storyline's equivalent, and therefore it is inappropriate to speculate without basis about the contents of an episode that has yet to be aired.

You cannot summarize something that hasn't happened, right? I'll ask you to keep this in mind: The ending of the manga was widely criticized by fans as rushed. It might be that they plan to correct this by changing (perhaps drastically) what happens in the final episode of the anime.

Nobody can say for certain what will happen in episode 37 since it hasn't aired yet. This means it clearly falls under "speculation" and/or "original research" which is against Wikipedia policy.

68.54.212.170 05:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. When an episode airs, an episode summary should be written. Greg Jones II 14:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I just watched it, it is indeed different than the manga in a few ways

Death note special
I have no idea if this really exists but if it does, I would appreciate a date for which this would air at. Also, can someone supply a link confirming this exist? Thank you. -ScotchMB 23:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I just read the article more carefully this time. Lol. -ScotchMB 23:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Episode titles differ from deathnote.tv
I have noticed that some of the episode titles in the wiki differ than that on Death Note TV, although I do not know how accurate this web site is, is maintained by Cartoon Networks Adult Swim, I just thought that I should point out the difference between the wiki and the web site. vendion (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the EP titles named up until Encounter (EP 9) are the official US titles as broadcasted on Adult Swim. That means the ones provided by that website are incorrect. If you click on some of the Dub episodes it gives you the same names provided on the Wiki list (example: EP 8 is "Glare") which contradicts the names on the list they provide. Basically, there's no need to change anything. It should also be noted that the website mentioned is runned by fans and thus they could just be going by their own translations or fansub provided ones. Thus, not official in any way. Check their disclaimer for more info. Fox816 (talk) 23:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

English airdates
YTV's Bionix premiered episode 11 ("Assault") in Canada on January 42008, while Cartoon Network's Adult Swim premiered episode 11 in the US on January 5 2008, so as of episode 11, YTV's Bionix is premiering the English dub episodes before Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. This is because YTV's Bionix aired episode 10 on December 282007, while Death Note was on hiatus that week on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, resulting in YTV's Bionix currently premiering the English dub episodes a day before Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. I will change the English airdates for episodes 11 and 12 to the correct dates for when YTV premiered them. --Silver Edge (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice work catching that. I guess from this point on that Bionix will lead as far as English Air dates then. If so we'll go by their schedule instead of Adult Swim's. Fox816 (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

(indent) Thanks. Since the English airdates had been changed back to Adult Swim airdates, I've reverted them and added hidden comments to notify editors that YTV's Bionix has been premiering English dub episodes a day before Adult Swim does. From http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the-click/2008-01-05 :

Death Note

(Adult Swim)

Saturday January 5 11:30pm - Episode 11 "Assault" (Repeats Sun Jan 6 2:30am, Tue Jan 8 12:30am, 3:30am)

A mysterious figure known as "Kira" is bumping off his assorted naysayers left and right, and its up to that dutiful insomniac detective, L, to put a stop to it.

(YTV)

Friday January 11 10:00pm - Episode 12 "Love" (Repeats Sat Jan 12 1:30am)

ONE EPISODE, FIVE DAYS AND 11 HOURS AND 30 MINUTES LATER: Light agrees to help L on the investigation to catch Kira in order to throw off the heat on himself. Selfish motives are always the best ones.

--Silver Edge (talk) 06:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * According to YTV's online schedule, YTV won't be airing episode 21 on March 14, 2008, because of a Bleach marathon, so Adult Swim will begin premiering English episodes again. I've changed the English airdates from episode 21 onward to Adult Swim airdates. Since Adult Swim premieres the episodes on Sundays at 12:30 am (while their online broadcast schedule considers it part of its Saturday broadcast day), the English airdates given for episodes 21+ are the actual dates the episodes are aired on (Sundays, not Saturdays). --Silver Edge (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * As of April 6th, Death Note has been pushed back to the 1am time slot instead of the 12:30am slot. Despite being advertised as part of a Saturday Block, actual air dates for the episodes all fall on a Sunday. Noting otherwise would be inaccurate and cause confusion for readers who aren't aware of this mixup. I daresay you would want to stay up to 1am on Saturday just to realize it's actually showing tomorrow. Fox816 (talk) 19:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, that makes sense, I was wondering why the dates for airing were on Sundays. I actually watch them on Saturday evenings at 9:30 though, is there a time difference or something? They air twice, the second's at 1:00. Master   Fast  19:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's a time difference depending on your time zone (where do you live to get Death Note at 9:30?!). We use Eastern Standard Time for determining on what day a series aired in the U.S. — Dino guy  1000  19:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Episode 37
According to YTV's online schedule,  YTV will air episodes 36 and 37 back-to-back on July 42008, while Adult Swim has already aired episode 36 on June 292008 and will air episode 37 on July 62008,  so YTV will air episode 37 before Adult Swim. I've gone ahead and changed episode 37's English airdate. --Silver Edge (talk) 07:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

over concise non-encyclopedic Episode descriptions
The individual descriptions of the episodes do not meet encyclopedic guidelines, but are a mere list, a violation of NOT PROGRAM GUDE. I do not know the show, so I don't think I can write fuller ones, but they need to say a little more--perhaps a paragraph. But, as 2 examples: #10:  "L begins to profile Light through a game of tennis, and they discuss the Kira case" needs to say what traits of  Light they are that L discovers  during the game, and what the two of them discuss. Similarly, in #14, "Light devises a plan to eliminate L using Misa and Rem. " needs to say what the plan is, to the extent it isr evealed in the episode. We dont write teasers. These are just teasers. DGG (talk) 04:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Problem solved, now most of them are too long. -- Goodraise (talk) 08:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Cant we just give each episode its own article? 71.165.113.153 —Preceding undated comment added 02:39, 10 March 2009.


 * No, not if the only thing they would contain is plot summary. -- Goodraise (talk) 09:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well your incredibly long summaries do not seem to be cutting it either. You don't need like thirty sentences to describe one episode. If you clutter each episode with that many words, it will be hard for people to navigate page and make it quite cumbersome if they try to read it. Maybe you can keep each episode to maybe a five-sentence maximum (which should be more than enough to place all of the vital information for each episode).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.113.153 (talk) 04:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I couldn't agree more. The summaries as they are now are totally over detailed. They are unencyclopedic and should be cut down to a fraction of their current size. Articles in the Category:FL-Class anime and manga articles should be used in deciding the length of the summaries. -- Goodraise (talk) 04:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * These summaries were all copied from old versions of individual episode pages (which have long since been merged back here), and little-to-no editing was done to cut them down. No one is arguing for keeping the summaries as they are now, we're merely arguing against returning to the hyper-short summaries that were here before. Feel free to cut the summaries down in length yourself, BTW. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh no no, why don't you do the honor's of cutting them down? It seems like everyone is too lazy to cut them down themselves, so why dont we just make an article for each episode then? You can include some cultural impact on some episodes, but some sections like triva, anime/manga differences and reception could account for all episodes. That way, it won't be just "plot summary". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.113.153 (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all read this. Secondly who is going to add the reception sections? And what will the sources be?--Megaman en m (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am lazy. I've stated this many times before. However, I'm not the one who's complaining about the length of the summaries, you are. I have little interest in working on episode summaries (or most any plot summary), and I never have. If you're waiting for me to set the initiative here, you'll be waiting for quite a while. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 22:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

edits by IP72.64.111.205 seem suspect.....
Does anyone have ready access to the last episode? I don't, and I can't recall the details that the IP user is disputing. --NBahn (talk) 04:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)