Talk:List of Desperate Housewives characters/Archive 1

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Matthew Applewhite

 * How old is he? 16-18? In high school? Likes Danielle Van De Kamp ? --Brown Shoes22 16:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Matthew is supposedly 16 when in reality Mehcad Brooks is 25. A huge age gap if you ask me. Sfufan2005 00:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I was think why would a 25 old looking MAN like her?!--Brown Shoes22 23:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Matthew said himself on episode 2-17 that he is 19, so there's your answer. Cheater1908 22:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

How are there are two ?
Zach Young /Dana Delfino shows up in the "Young" and "Delfino" Famllies. Put one Famlliy, The Youngs !--Brown Shoes22 16:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I question whether Delfino would automatically be the birth surname of Dana (Zach), since there is no obvious reference to a marriage between Mike and Dierdre. In some states, if the couple is unmarried, the child takes the surname of the mother.


 * It would appear that I take this show way too seriously sometimes. :)  — ArkansasTraveler 15:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think any state dictates the surname of a child. Rather, it is the parents' decision, and if there is only one parent, then it is that parent's decision. Theshibboleth 04:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Deirdre reportedly hated Mike near the end, so she wouldn't have named her son Dana Delfino, it would have been Dana Taylor. Of course, given the lack of an actual statement of that in the show, a simple Dana might be best. 68.66.168.213 18:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Virgil Applewhite and Caleb Applewhite !
Virgil Applewhite and Caleb Applewhite are the same person !--Brown Shoes22 04:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually they're not. Caleb is the son and Virgil is her husband. Sfufan2005 04:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

The Harper Family
Is there really a need for the Harper family. They are not recurring and will probably never appear again.--Dan777 17:04, 15 December 2005
 * They may be guests some point on the show but I think it would be wrong to delete someone's hard work. I suggest we keep it. Sfufan2005 22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Other Neighbours Section
I suggest there is a section for other neighbours, such as Ida Greenberg, Alberta Fromme and so.--Dan777 17:04, 15 December 2005
 * Sure, why not? Sfufan2005 22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Great! Good job.--Dan777

Todd Forrest ?

 * I Mess a EP ?--Brown Shoes22 20:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Todd Forrest is Paul Young's real name according to Mike in Episode 2.12 "We're Gonna Be All Right". Sfufan2005 20:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Too Big !

 * Family Articles is the good idea. Foucs for the Housewives or cut out the Extended family parts: Uncles, Aunts, Friends, Cousins, poeple who worked for the main characters.--Brown Shoes22 08:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The more the merrier. This is not the main page so why not.Dan777 22:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of grouping each family, but I also see splitting this article up at some point as the show continues to develop, and viewers are further acquainted with aspects of these families. In this case, perhaps the families will be classified under the central character associated with each family — usually a female character. — ArkansasTraveler 15:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Susan's maiden name
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's only ever been one reference to Susan's maiden name in the entire series. Bremmer was her mother Sophie's married name sometime after Susan's birth. And I seem to recall Susan's father's surname being Ross. Anyone else remember this? — ArkansasTraveler 15:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a question I also had but gave up. It's definitely not Bremmer since Sophie was married 3 times prior. Plus Susan's father's surname is Prudy. Sfufan2005 20:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Susan's birth father's surname was Prudy, but that wouldn't have been reflected as her surname as she grew up. Nothing turns up at the official site at ABC, but I'm almost positive it was mentioned during the eighth episode of the second season. —  ArkansasTraveler 22:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, Sophie has been married 4 times. Dan777 19:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Split article
The rest are "recurring families" thus that title. Sfufan2005 21:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I split the article into Main families and Recurring families. The main families are the families that are the regulars: the families that have been here since day 1 e.g. The Housewives families:
 * The Van De Kamps
 * The Scavos
 * The Mayers
 * The Solises
 * The Britts
 * The Youngs

I disagree 100%

Mike is a Regular and and the Applewhites are Regular... We should not have this at all! I will re-vert over and over because I think this is not right...! All characters are important! Ron535251
 * Well the decision is not entirely up to you. You need a consensus. Plus a revert war isn't going to solve anyone's problems, now is it? Sfufan2005 00:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you have the Youngs you gotta have Mike. Dan777 18:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well SFUFan you are not a dicator either!
 * Excuse me! I think the proper word is "dictator" and I never said I was. I was just telling him that a revert war isn't going to solve anyone's problems. Plus that's an easy way to get blocked without fully discussing it. (I'm pretty much over that though since that was a few months ago) But still I don't need to be told by an ANONYMOUS USER what I am since I have been around Wikipedia longer than you. Sfufan2005 16:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Susan Mayer - POV?
First line of Susan's entry - Negative POV? Bswee 21:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not quite neutral, I'd say. — ArkansasTraveler 16:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That's definitely not NPOV: the words annoyingly self-righteous give it away. Should we change this? Sfufan2005 18:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I suggest keep it the way it is. Cheater1908 01:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Surnames

 * I think the extended surnames in the headlines are extremely tacky such as "The Van de Kamp/Mason family" or "The Mayer/Bremmer/Flickman" family. This happened over the summer on the original character page and it looked horrible with the example "The Van de Kamp/Mason family and George Williams" which many editors did not like. Its better to keep the headings simple since we don't want all though names on the headings. Sfufan2005 16:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup Tag
I added a cleanup tag to the article after finding the following: 1) typos, 2) grammer error (e.g. Carlos Mother --> Carlos' Mother), 3) large blocks of text that would be much more readable if broken into several paragraphs. Antonrojo 00:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * GRAMMER mistakes? Dan777 15:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, the irony. That's why I spellcheck my article contributions. Antonrojo 18:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As of now, typos in the article have been fixed. Antonrojo 12:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know who was responsible for Carlos Mother but that was only thing in the whole article that was off. Dan777 16:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

After skimming the article there are still some fixes needed and I think I got all of the spelling errors: 1) Plurals for names that end in s should be 's (e.g. Carlos's not Carlos'...the latter version is only correct historically) 2) At least one punctuation error with: "Regardless of her flaws, have you ever stopped and said thank you for all she does for you around the house"? 3) Runon paragraphs that need breaking up to make them more readable to avoid 'block 'o text' syndrome 4) Confusing sentences that are either runon or unclear, for example "He tackled Caleb and got him arrested thanks to Bongo's senses.". As time permits I'll fix some of these.Antonrojo 17:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Individual articles
I'm not the one who added the too long tag however this page is getting a tad long. All for the good though, however I think our main players "the housewives" or every character who is credited and has played an important contribution to the overall story should have their own articles such as all housewives, Mary Alice, Andrew, Mike and Betty just to name a few. However if we do decide to do this we still should keep all characters on this page except that they will not have any information. The remainder of the characters should remain on this page such as any guest stars or minor characters.

For example: Bree Van De Kamp (see main article). Plus I recently discovered that Gabrielle already has her own article FYI Gabrielle Solis which is in pretty good shape for an example Opinions? Sfufan2005 04:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

It works !--Brown Shoes22 04:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I've reduced the article size from 86 k to 58 k, if anyone would like to do any additional editing feel free. Sfufan2005 17:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Deirdre or Deidre?
How do you guys know that there is an "r" in her name? On the season one DVD the "English For the Hearing Impaired" spells it without an r, and so does IMDB, but tv.com and this site spells it with an r, and Mike and a few other characters do clearly articulate an r. I would find it hard to believe anyone would pronounce it with an r if it wasn't written with an r in the script, but they may have just heard the name before, and not thought about the r or lack of it. So is there a way you guys know? Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think although the name is Pronounced "Deidre" it's written or spelled "Deidre" with a silent "R". I'm not sure, but if you try to look up the name under "Deidre" with no R, you don't get results. So that's probably how the name is written. -- Omernos 17:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

That? How is the name probably written? With an r? I'm just not exactly following you. Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that Susan is the only one who pronounces without an r. Noah, her father, pronounces it with an r, so I'm guessing that's it because people know their own childrens' names.  Therefore, it's probably spelled with an r. Cheater1908 18:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

How old are the characters now ?
And plasee update the article !--Brown Shoes22 15:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have updated the characters ages the best I can. Cheater1908 21:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Has this article become excessive?
From WP:NOT "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. While there is a continuing debate about the encyclopedic merits of several classes of entries, current consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not simply: 7. Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic."

It seems to me that this article now delves excessively into "plot summary," or "character summary," which, in the context of my point is more or less the same thing. Achievements, impact, or historical significance are not touched upon.

Others' opinions on this point would be appreciated. Charlie 11:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have deleted some characters that are not needed such as "Rex's father" or "Carolyn's dog" characters of that nature or only characters that have appeared once and have not been mentioned ever again. Sfufan2005 18:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, that looks much better--thanks, SF--you are greatly appreciated! Cheater1908 19:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Great! It's looking better: thanks for your work, and I hope I didn't offend anyone! Charlie 08:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Rupert (Ian's butler) had been added back but I deleted that because a new policy on this page is that we only add characters who appeared more than once. We need to follow this guideline, and if anyone adds a character that only appeared once or was merely mentioned, it will be deleted.  Can we all follow this rule, please, thanks. :-) Cheater1908 05:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

2 articles on the same character!
There are two articles about Ian: Ian Hainsworth and Ian Hainsworth (Desperate Housewives). I don't know how to delete articles, or even if I have the power to do so, but could someone please delete the article with the disambigution? That one should be deleted to do Wikipedia's disambigution policy. Cheater1908 22:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem that just needs to be redirected to just Ian Hainsworth. Sfufan2005 22:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Cheater1908 01:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Kayla Huntington -> Kayla Scavo
The Scavos adopted Kayla, therefore her page needs to be redirected, but Kayla Huntington is redirected from Kayla Scavo, so I can't move it. Could someone be so kind to move it? Cheater1908 02:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Gabrielle Current Last Name
According to this week's episode, "Not While I'm Around" Gaby is still known by her married name "Solis". I think this should be changed because Gaby was only using her maiden name for the modeling shoot. In MAVO's (Mary Alice Voice Overs) she is still known as Gabrielle Solis. Sfufan2005 01:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, I can see your point on that. Mary Alice is the omniscient narrator.  Having said that, I'm neutral on the subject. Cheater1908 19:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Some clean ups
I've tried to clean up the article a bit - I havn't done any changes as of the text it self, but rather some changes in the disposition. Most notably merging the Hodge and Van De Kamp families - which IMO is the only right thing to do giventhe marriage of Bree and Orson. Right? Pjär80 14:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks great! Thanks for taking the time to do this. It only benefits the article in the long run and I agree that the Van de Kamp/Hodge sections (or what I like to call Van de Hodge) should have been merged a long time ago. Sfufan2005 20:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added every character that have appeared in at least two episodes, as well as every relative of the housewives that have appeared on the show, which include five characters only to have appeared in one episode so far; Bree's dad Henry, stepmom Eleanor and aunt Fern. Lynette's father in law Rodney, and Gabrielles mother Lucia. In addition, I've added the actors. It's working? Pjär80 16:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I love it!!!! Excellent job!  It's much more organized and the new format is fantastic!  It's great that you've added the performers too. Cheater1908 02:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still trying to figure out the best (or at least a good) way to fit in information about what episodes each characer have appeared in though... Anyone else with an idea? Pjär80 18:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's really a good way to do that...if we did list all the episodes each character has appeared in, the page would be cluttered. We could, though, say how many episodes each character has been in. Cheater1908 01:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The off-screen Nelson family??? I love this new format, but the only this wrong with this is that the one house in between Susan and Gabrielle's is the Applewhites'--there is no Nelson family. I reverted it, but it was added back.  Tomorrow when the new episode is aired, you will probably see the Applewhite house in between Susan and Gabrielle's.  Also, if any of you own the book "Desperate Housewives: Behind Closed Doors", there is a map of Wisteria Lane towards the end and the Applewhite house is known as "The Munster House" (because the Munster family lived in that house in another movie...darn, I can't remember what the movie was!), and you'll see it's between Susan and Gabrielle's. Cheater1908 22:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh - sorry for this... I have yet to read Behind Closed Doors. However, I still think there is causes for the way I edited: On Mike's map in ep. 1.02 it's clearly stated that the house betwen Susan's and Gabrielle's is the Nelson's house, and the house opposite Mrs. Huber and next to Gaby has a unreadable name written to it. Further more, in the same episode Susan and Edie informs Mike that the Mullins lives accross Mrs. Huber's house - the same Mullins that moves away in ep 1.22, where the Applewhite later is seen moving in in the same house. Finally - it's been a long time since I watched "The Munsters" but I'm pretty sure that their house is not the same as the Mullins/Applewhite/Alma Hodge house.

As I've come to understand it, this is how the houses on Wisteria Lane are located and numbred (hopefully it makes sense):

--- |             |              |              |              |              |              | | The Mullins  |              |              |              |              |              | | Betty       |              |              |              |              |              | | Alma        | Gabrielle    | the Nelsons  | Susan        | Lynette      | Edie         | | #4347       | #4349        | #4354        | #4353        | #4355        | #4357        | ---  <---To the city                       -WISTERIA LANE-                     To the park---> --- | #4350       | #4352        | #4359        | #4356        | #4358        | #4360?       | | Mrs Huber    | Mary Alice   | Bree         | Mike         | Mrs McCluskey| Unknown      | | Felicia     | The Shepards |              |              |              |              | |             |              |              |              |              |              | |              |              |              |              |              |              | ---

This seems to work well with Mikes' map in ep. 1.02 as well as how the houses seems to be located in Seasons 1 (which I recently rewatched on dvd) and Season 3. I'm uncertain about seas. 2 though (and since I'm not living in the states I can't watch it on tv either ;) ) Also this map seems to support my theory....

Then again - you have presented good reasons backing up your POV as well... There could of course be that this was changed between season 1 and season 2. In that case, then maybe we ought to delete all the details about which house is which... Pjär80 13:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Having done some research I have to admit that you are right. The map in ep. 1.02 seems to have lots of errors (except those causing my confusion, e.g. Penny is named Daisy and Julie is said to be 12 years old, although she celebrates her 14th birthday a couple of episodes later). Furthermore - you are absolutely right that the Applewhites house are the same as the house in "The Musters" - only slightly rebuilt. Even the numerber are wrong on the 1.02-map both Betty's and Bree's housenumber have been mentioned/seen in the series (and this numbers makes the houses in correct order). The only thing, besides the 1.02-map, that doesn't add up with this is Susan's statement in the same episode that the Mullins live opposite to mrs Huber.

Conclusively this should be the definite map of Wisteria Lane:

--- |             |              |              |              |              |              | |              |              | the Mullins  |              |              |              | |             |              | Betty        |              |              |              | | Unknown     | Gabrielle    | Alma         | Susan        | Lynette      | Edie         | | ?           | #4349        | #4351        | #4353        | #4355        | #4357        | ---  <---To the city                       -WISTERIA LANE-                     To the park---> --- | #4350       | #4352        | #4354        | #4356        | #4358        | ?            | | Mrs Huber    | Mary Alice   | Bree         | Mike         | Mrs McCluskey| Unknown      | | Felicia     | the Shephards|              |              |              |              | |             |              |              |              |              |              | |              |              |              |              |              |              | ---

Given the fact that the Nelsons only have been seen on the 1.02-map, I'd say it's safe to say that they never existed.

To sum it up - you where rigt all alone, and I change back to your edits concerning the house number and there location. :) Pjär80 13:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the map :-) It is a possibility, though, that the Nelsons lived there before the Mullins' at the time we saw Mike's map--though we probably shouldn't take a TV show too seriously.  Oh, and I didn't realize that "The Munsters" was a sitcom--I always thought it was a movie.  Huh.  Also, the errors on Mike's map are interesting--Julie's age and Penny is Daisy!!!!  HA, that's a laugh!!!!  I own that on DVD too, so I should take a look at Mike's map next time I see that episode.  Again, thank you for all your time re-constructing this page.  You are greatly appreciated! :-) Cheater1908 02:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah - I guess that would be one way to explain it :)
 * Hopefully the article will keep getting even better.
 * BTW - The Munsters is a rather nice series - u should check it up one day.
 * Pjär80 16:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Amanda and criterias
Amanda was added again, but since she only appeared in one episode and (as far as we know) isn't a relative of any of the main families - which currently are the two criterias of which at least one should be valid for the characters included in this artice.

The basic rule of only including recurring characters is imo quite important to stick to - in order not to have this article grew to big and thereby far to difficult to maintain.

However - I think it's worth discussing wheather or not we should include one time appearing relatives, or only characters who have appeared in two episodes or more. Personaly I prefer it the way it is now (even though I do agree that there isn't any really good encyclopedial reasons to do so), although I do understand the other opinion as well.

Thaughts? Pjär80 14:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sophie's husbands and Jane's maiden name
The names of Sophie Bremmer's husbands and Ian's deceased wife Jane's family name has been added. Does anyone know what the sources for this is? Pjär80 15:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've deleted these names since they havn't been mentioned on the show, and there doesn't seem to be any source for them. Pjär80 15:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming episodes
There seems to be tendencies to edit this (and other DH articles) with events that has yet to occur. This is problematic, given that details on upcoming episodes might change before the episode airs, or that they might be just wrong (as was the case with the details given on the character "Lamar the Limo Driver" in this article). Also, expressions like " he will appear in the next episode" hardly is encyclopedical.

Therefor I strongly suggest that we don't add anything to this article until it's been shown on the show. Also - in order to keep the editing easier (and the value of this article higher) I've noted in the header which episodes are included. Pjär80 15:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Gabrielle Solis -> Gabrielle Marquez
Gabrielle referred to herself as Gabrielle Marquez last night. I personally think that we should move her article back to Gabrielle Marquez. I know Mary Alice has referred to her as Gabrielle Solis after her divorce, but I don't think we should go by that, because Mary Alice has been wrong before (she said in the season premiere that Alma left Orson because she was unhappy and she felt trapped but it turned out that she only left Orson because she found out about his affair and she wanted to matter to him, so Mary Alice lied to us!). Thoughts? Cheater1908 00:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I think the character is world wide known as Gabrielle Solis. Besides Susan is still known as Susan Mayer. I think most of these cases (including Bree) should be decided as the series ends. Does anyone knows the official WP guideline for these cases?--T-man, the wise 01:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, given what happened with Bree (her last named was changed Van de Kamp to Hodge, and her article was moved) I don't think there's anything wrong with moving characters' articles when we know that their names changed. Besides, Gabrielle referred to herself as Gabrielle Marquez, and people know their own last names, so I believe that her name is changed. Cheater1908 01:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Tense
I changed the tense of George Williams (Desperate Housewives) to fit WP:WAF. All Wikipedia articles about fiction are supposed to be written in present tense:

"By convention, these synopses should be written in the present tense, as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed. At any particular point in the story there is a 'past' and a 'future', but whether something is 'past' or 'future' changes as the story progresses. It is simplest to recount the entire description as continuous 'present'. ".

--T-man, the wise 00:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers
A lot of wiki links link to certain sections of this page, like if you wanted to find out about Dr. Albert Goldfine, it would link straight to the Bree's Family section. This is fine, as Dr. Albert Goldfine can't really have it's own page. The problem here though as that when another link gets you to this page and brings you straight to the characters name, the viewer never actually gets to see the spoiler warning at the top, because it loads halfway down the page to the character you wanted to see. So (and there is a spoiler here), I wanted to see who this Goldfine was and it told me that he was the therapist that Bree was seeing. That was brilliant, it really helped my understanding of the show. But it also told me that George kills Dr. Goldfine and that Bree soon finds out that George was really obsessed with her. Which sort of ruined that aspect of the show for me. Having just one spoiler warning at the top wasn't enough, as this link skipped the spoiler warning entirely. I am not sure what actually needs to happen to fix this, but from what I can see either a small spoiler warning needs to be added to each family name so people that were linked to that family name are warned, or all the links that link to a section on this page need to be replaced with links that simply go to the top of this page instead. The links that bring you to a section of a page are handy and sort of cool, but in this case it is damaging to the whole spoiler system. So, what is the correct thing to do here, add more spoiler warnings or edit the links that skip the spoiler warning? And also, how do you find out which pages redirect to this page, as there may be a lot of pages that redirect to a section of this page JayKeaton 09:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hm... good point actually. The proper thing to do would be to add a spoiler tag in the beginning of each section (ie Susan's, Bree's, Lynette's, Gabrielle's, Edie's, Betty's and Mike's families, and the other neighbors secition) as you suggest.
 * About which pages linking to the article, there is the "What links here" link to the left. Of course, it only says which are linking to general article, I don't think that there's an easy way to get to know what links to the specific chapters. Pjär80 11:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Edits
I've incorperated some of the articles who dealt with individual characters in this article. The characters who have been moved here either:
 * 1: Only had a few sentances in their original article (Sophie Bremmer and Detective Ridley) and thus not being large enough to claim individual articles.
 * or 2: Was to minor to be of sufficiant common intrest (including characters only appearing in three or four episodes of the series: Sister Mary Bernard (3 episodes), Carolyn Bigsby (4), Rick Coletti (4), Maisy Gibbons (3) and Art Shephard (4)).

The amount of character pages had become far to extended, and (as pointed out in other places) the quality of the Desperate Housewives character pages are generaly not sufficiant. Given that the summer hiatus is coming up it's a good time to get into discussion how to best keep a good quality of WP:s DH articles.

As of the character pages I'd say that characters appearing in less than eight episodes (roughly 1/3 of a season) ought to not have their own articles, but be included in List of Desperate Housewives characters, with the exception of characters of significant instrest (foremost the leading characters' family members), and that no character with less than five appearances should have their own article. This is the way it looks now, after my edits mentioned above.

And this is the episode account for characters, excluding the main characters, as of the first three seasons (69 episodes):
 * 21 episodes:
 * Karen McCluskey
 * Ida Greenberg
 * 18 episodes:
 * Ian Hainsworth
 * 17 episodes:
 * Felicia Tilman
 * 11 episodes:
 * Justin
 * Kayla Huntington
 * 10 episodes:
 * Noah Taylor
 * 9 episodes:
 * Ed Ferrara (no article)
 * 8 episodes:
 * Martha Huber
 * Nora Huntington
 * Xiao-Mei
 * 7 episodes:
 * Gloria Hodge
 * Alma Hodge
 * Victor Lang
 * Dr. Ron McCready
 * Detective Ridley
 * Dr. Albert Goldfine
 * 6 episodes:
 * Dr. Lee Craig
 * Father Crowley
 * Juanita Solis
 * Yao Lin
 * Sophie Bremmer
 * 5 episodes:
 * Stu
 * Travers McLain
 * Detective Sullivan
 * Nina Fletcher
 * Detective Barton
 * Vern
 * Alberta Fromme
 * Ralph
 * Jerry Shaw
 * Peter McMillian
 * 4 episodes:
 * Reporter
 * Rick Coletti
 * Samuel "Sam" Bormanis
 * Eugene Beale
 * Pat Ziegler
 * Carolyn Bigsby
 * Art Shephard
 * 3 episodes:
 * about 25 characters

Given this statistics, one might argue that Ed Ferrera should be transfered to his own article, but otherwise I think the current arrangement is a good one. Pjär80 01:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Season 3 Finale updates
I've intergrated "Susan's family" and "Mike's family", following their marriage, as well as added Victor's known relatives to the "Extended family" part of "Gabrielle's family".

To my knowledge there is no source for either Gabby nor Susan that they have changed their last names (wich isn't done automatically when a woman is married), and until such is found, we ought to keep their former last name.

Thaughts? Pjär80 23:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 05:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nina Fletcher
For reasons given above, I've redirected Nina Fletcher to this article. If anyone don't agree with this, share your thaughts here. :) Pjär80 18:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)