Talk:List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present)/Archive 4

Requested move
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved.

List of Doctor Who serials → List of Doctor Who episodes — Serials are made up of episodes, therefore every Doctor Who programme is an episode but not all are part of serials. U-Mos 18:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add  # Support   or   # Oppose   on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * Oppose - this article doesn't list all the episodes, so list of Doctor Who episodes would be incorrect. Percy Snoodle 19:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Percy Snoodle. 132.205.44.134 23:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - it is a list of stories not episodes so this name change would be inappropriate --The Missing Hour 23:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Serials is perfectly correct for this artical, episodes would make it far too large and at the same time take what are single scripts in several parts and would talk about them as separate episodes when it already states how many parts it is in.--Wiggstar69 22:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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 * Suggestion I don't support a move to 'List of Doctor Who episodes' because most of the articles we have are about serials not individual episodes. I do however support the article being moved to 'List of Doctor Who episodes and serials' or 'List of Doctor Who televised stories' as both would be more inclusive sounding than the article name as it currently stands. --GracieLizzie 21:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Suggestion I would concur that a heading that is more inclusive would be in order. Episodes may be more appropriate for the current series, but Serials may apply more the the older shows (although Hartnell's term can be a completely different duck, since they were all supposed to blend together). --Thergomy 00:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The point for oppose is quite right, I should have checked about the classic serials first. So anyway, see below:

Requested move
List of Doctor Who serials → List of Doctor Who stories — This title works for both new and classic episodes, where "serials" only fits the latter. U-Mos 16:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) Oppose - If they where paper.. maybe.. but they're not. Matthew 16:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose... but with a suggestion if we just use 'List of Doctor Who stories' then we'll have to include all the in-print stories on this page too. Perhaps 'List of Doctor Who televised stories' would be better? --GracieLizzie 16:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose - Serials is acceptable, no need to change it. Kyaa the Catlord 17:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose per Kyaa - but commenting on GracieLizzie: serials don't have to be televsion either (think radio!) so perhaps it ought to be 'List of Doctor Who televised serials'? Stephenb (Talk) 17:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose per above. I don't think we necessarily need to add "televised", since the lead section makes it clear that this page doesn't deal with the spinoffs; but I wouldn't oppose adding it either.
 * 6) Oppose move to "stories", but I agree that "serials" isn't appropriate either, especially for the new series. How about List of Doctor Who television stories — "televised stories" is problematic because it excludes episodes which haven't aired yet. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose moves to "stories" and "episodes". I also don't like the sound of "television stories" (it hasn't got a nice ring to it), but I suggest List of Doctor Who episodes and serials, or vice versa, as per List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens. Possibly, the "list" is redundant, and it could simply be Doctor Who episodes and serials. Just an idea.--Rambutan (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Oppose - Serials is fine. DavidFarmbrough 15:00, 15 March 2007(UTC)
 * 9) Oppose - I like the sound of serials, 'stories' sounds a bit too childish for me. I thought Rambutan's suggestion on List of Doctor Who episodes and serials was good, being a possible title, although I'm not sure the length of the title is as attractive as 'Serials'.--Wiggstar69 23:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Serials sounds fine to me.

Series Four greenlighted
According to The Telegraph's interview with RTD, series four has been commissioned, but RTD won't be masterminding it. How would this be added to the article?--Rambutan (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought the news was that RTD was hinting he might stand-down after series 4 ends? --GracieLizzie 16:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is actually quite vague on what RTD's future role is. I think that GracieLizzie's reading is the most likely, but we can't really say anything on Wikipedia about Davies' future based on that article.  —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The Telegraph is a very trustworthy newspaper in the UK, so we can believe them about the fourth series being commissioned, but the RTD news is just too vague for comment at the moment. - NP Chilla 08:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the BBC official site series four is confirmed, but a quote from RTD seems to imply that he will be involved.

Episode three placeholder?
Should we make an article Episode three (Doctor Who 2007), since we already know quite a lot and it'll only be a couple of weeks until we know the title? We did this with the Cyberman story last year, I believe.--Rambutan (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, this is an unpopular thought since Wikipedia has to be definite fact, although I do support your thoughts, we no enough that even if we couldn't give it a definite name we could for now call it 'series 3, episode 3'. Although I do think it would just get deleted i'd would agree with you on making this move.--Wiggstar69 22:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Names - Episodes 3 and 5 - Series 3
It came to my attention that the series three episodes 3+5 have confirmed names, episode three is called - 'Flesh and Bones' and Episode five is called - 'The on Coming Storm'. Apparently RTD has said this himself although I've looked and havn't found anything reliable to back this up, meaning I havn't put it on the site. If anyone can find a refference for this that would be great.--Wiggstar69 17:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Those names have been floating about for quite some time, but the general consensus is that we should wait until they're confirmed by an official source (i.e., the BBC, Doctor Who Magazine, the Radio Times, etc.). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Somone has tried to write episode three as flesh and bone but I deleted it for this reason--Wiggstar69 13:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently these episode titles are set to be revealed/confirmed in the March 31-April 6 issue of Radio Times. --GracieLizzie 14:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I read that CultTimes reports that episode three is called Gridlock. -- Taras Hnatyshyn


 * There are so many mames around that people are trying to convince us with, its to the point where I think unless anything is confirmed I think we should just ignore all titles.
 * According to reports, the new Radio Times that's officially out on 3/26 mention that episode 3 is called "Gridlock", episode 5 is called "Evolution of the Daleks", and episode 13 is called "The Last of the Time Lords". Probably should wait until 3/26 to update the titles though, since it's not "officially" out. 70.119.8.82 22:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have the new copy of RT in my hands right now, so I've added in the three remaining titles. Tphi 21:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Archive
I hope that people don't mind that I deleted the index of archived topics that used to be at the top of the page; that was something that used to be recommended at WP:ARCHIVE, but seems to have fallen out of favour. It's time-consuming to do, and it's not that difficult for people to click on the archive links and look at the TOC. If anyone misses the index, they can retrieve it from the page history and make one up for the newly created Archive 3. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Season 4 confirmed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/03/22/41793.shtml It's official, guys - where should we put this new info? - NP Chilla 23:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Stick a sentence with a ref in the lead in section I'd say. --GracieLizzie 00:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I've requested unprotection as we now know all the episode titles
I hope no-one minds, but as I requested semi-protection due to people adding rumoured titles. I've asked for unprotection now that they're all confirmed. --GracieLizzie 15:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea, thats fine. --Wiggstar69 15:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Off format?
Isn't this page of format? Most pages like this are called episode lists or lists of media. --Seth Turner 22:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes
There is discussion at WP:AN/I, and an AfD at Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC) -- Ned Scott 18:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Linked serials
In the introduction of the page it says that: "During the early seasons of the programme most serials are linked together, one usually leading directly into the next — although there are some breaks, such as between the second season finale, The Time Meddler, and the third season premiere, Galaxy 4." but it doesn't say when this stopped. Should we not also put in information about when the linking stopped? StuartDD 19:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

production plans after "other stories"?
I was wondering whether we should change the order of the atricle so that "Other stories" follows on from the list of serials, and Production plans after that. It seems to make sense that we list all stories first, before going onto other sections. The current order places production plans between the list and "oher stories". StuartDD 20:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Missing references
In the David Tennant section, here, there are two references for Doctor who:children in need and the Christmas Invasion - but they are missing (i.e the links don't go to anywhere). Does anyone know how to fix this? StuartDD 10:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They don't appear to serve any useful purpose (there are links to the relevant episode articles) so I've removed them for the time being. Mark H Wilkinson 07:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Series 4
Someone has tried to start season 4 with this Series 4 (2008)


 * - |colspan=7| |172 |"Price Of Paradise" |4.1 |1 episode |James Strong |James Hawes |29 March 2008 |- |173 |"March Of The Cybermen" |4.2 |2 episodes |Kate Shaw |Euros Lyn |TBA, 2008

Anyone know how to fix this? StuartDD 14:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed. Unsourced speculations shouldn't be there to begin with. --Edokter (Talk) 17:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yet they still keep appearing. Honestly, that "series 4 episode list" is laughable fanwank. Half of the "episode titles" make no sense.81.86.46.234 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there any way we can stop them being put back? - they seem to keep coming up. StuartDD 20:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If it's a genuine problem, request the article be protected. If it's anonymous IP's that are doing it, a period of semi-protection should help.  Mark H Wilkinson 21:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Season 22
Is season 22 complete? I count 13 episodes - but according to other things I have read, the BBC dropped the number of episodes to 14 for Trial of a Time Lord. StuartDD 08:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since each ToaTL episode was shorter than S22, the bit about episodes being dropped may mean overall time instead of episode numbers. The S22 numbers are correct.--OZOO (What?) 10:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)