Talk:List of EFL Cup finals

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The result of the move request was: pages moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

– After the page-move of List of Football League Cup winners and the following discussion on WT:FOOTY, where a couple of editors suggested that lists like these are a list of finals rather then a list of winners, and should be renamed thereafter. Because of consistency, I've turned this into a multi-proposal with most of the biggest cup-competition in football, plus some of the minor in Britain. It should also be noted that the World Cup list and the UEFA Euro list was already named "finals". Mentoz86 (talk) 21:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * List of Football League Cup winners → List of Football League Cup finals
 * List of FA Cup winners → List of FA Cup finals
 * List of FA Trophy winners → List of FA Trophy finals
 * List of FA Vase winners → List of FA Vase finals
 * List of Scottish Cup winners → List of Scottish Cup finals
 * List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winners → List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals
 * List of UEFA Cup and Europa League winners → List of UEFA Cup and Europa League finals
 * List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup winners → List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup finals
 * List of UEFA Super Cup winners → List of UEFA Super Cup finals
 * List of Copa Libertadores winners → List of Copa Libertadores finals
 * List of Recopa Sudamericana winners → List of Recopa Sudamericana finals
 * List of U.S. Open Cup winners → List of U.S. Open Cup finals
 * List of MLS Cup champions → List of MLS Cup finals
 * Support and added 2 more: Added MLS Cup winners and US Open Cup winners as well for the same reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsenalkid700 (talk • contribs)


 * Support These lists contain more than just winners, but also details such as score, venue etc, and calling them all finals better captures the content, and makes it clearer. Eldumpo (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support The proposed titles are more descriptive of what is actually on the pages. All of the "list of winners" articles should become redirects.  Del ♉ sion 23  (talk)  22:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support These lists include more than just winners, but also details of finalists, score, attendance etc. (As per "Eldumpo") --  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 04:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - the proposed titles fit with the content of the articles better. – PeeJay 07:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per reasons outlined above. BigDom (talk) 11:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Excessive linking
In the table in the Finals section, is a link to every occurance of each stadium really necessary? The same could be said for the football teams; surely only one link is needed. 86.176.239.183 (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * When a table is sortable or several screens long, we don't know where the reader will find the first instance of a link, so we just link every line. I'm sure there's a guideline for this somewhere, but I can't be arsed to find it. Either way, does it really harm anyone to have the extra links? – PeeJay 23:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

First non-1st division club
The sentence say "The first team from outside the First Division to win the competition was Queen's Park Rangers of the Third Division in 1967." However, the cup was won by Norwich in 1962. In that year Norwich was in the Second Division. So should the shouldn't QPR be removed from the sentence and replced with "The first team from outside the First Division to win the competition was Norwich City of the Second Division in 1962."? I would have changed it but I might be missing something. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 00:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Cup titles changed - reflect in table
Given that the name of this competition has changed so many times, it'd be useful to include a column that shows the name of the competition at that time. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree. There is a table at EFL_Cup that explains the various name changes, so that should be enough. – PeeJay 21:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's terrific, but that's a different article altogether. In this article, the article title misleadingly is "EFL Cup finals" (when most of them weren't EFL Cup finals) and the table is headed, very misleadingly, "EFL Cup winners", when most of the winning teams were, you guessed it, not EFL Cup winners. At least let's help the reader. --22:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, I disagree. Can the reader not just take it as read that the EFL Cup and the Football League Cup (sponsored or otherwise) are the same competition? Better yet, why not explain that in the article’s lead? – PeeJay 23:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Improvement suggestions from FA Cup list
I've been looking at List of FA Cup finals, and it seems to be, overall, a better-formatted list. There are some conventions I think we should adopt here:


 * ✅ Merge repeated stadium names in the table into a single block.
 * ✅ Indicate which of the winners won the Double and the Domestic Treble.
 * Link the game articles in the score (e.g. 1-0), and the tournament articles in the year (e.g. 2024), so that someone can research both the whole tournament and the individual game from that table row. I suppose the issue with this is that the Final column in this table represents the year of the final, but the Season column in the FA Cup article represents the whole season. If we link the whole-tournament article in the leftmost column, it may make sense to change it to represent a whole season, e.g. 2023-24 rather than just 2024. I personally think either way is fine, as long as there's both a tournament link and a game link in each row.

The third change would be much easier with some automation, but I'm not sure what's the easiest way to do it. I'm leaning towards just copying the wikitext into a local file and editing it with a python script.

Galagora (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't have an issue with any of the changes apart from the double suggestion. As that references winners of the League and FA Cup it's not relevant to this list. Domestic Treble is fine as the League Cup is included in that. NapHit (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I misread that in the other article, I thought it said League Cup and not League. Galagora (talk) 10:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)