Talk:List of English dishes

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What about Lobby (food) and Staffordshire oatcakes? There's lots of missing dishes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.6.67.56 (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Tidy up needed
Why do we have a (partial) "illustrated list" which (partially) duplicates the lists of savouries, etc, differently organised below? These need to be merged, either into the one structure or the other. (Done) And every entry needs to be cited. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

This is a list, not a detailed treatment of individual items which all have their own articles. To make the list at all compact, images must be small, as is very common in list articles which have many entries. At the scale chosen, the images remain instantly recognisable (except the pies, see below, which all look the same anyway).
 * For the record, we've arrived at somewhere around 90 to 100px, which for me is rather large, no idea why others find that small but we can live with it for now while we sort out the references, dates, descriptions, etc. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:37, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is a place in the list for a string of similar steak-and-xxx pies: while pies are possibly distinctively English, few of the variants are individually so. (Merged)

It feels as if pub food is getting more attention than is justified: perhaps some editors feel that they will go and eat something specially "English" once in a while by visiting a pub, and this qualifies all pub fare for the list? If so, this would be a case of recentism, if not of non-neutral point-of-view. Historically, pies were very varied and often far more complicated. Populating the Date column would be a useful step to counter the recentism. Worse, I think, is that the choice of dishes seems to embody a stereotypical point-of-view of what is "typically" English, ignoring the long and continuing foreign influence (since the Middle Ages at least, if not Roman times) on our cuisine. Thus, chicken tikka masala is missing, as indeed is curry...

To section, or not
I'm opposed to sections in a list like this, as we already have several ways of sorting, and can easily have more. Thus, we can sort for regional vs national; by date; by sweet or savoury; by name. That's already more flexible than choosing one of these as "the" way to organise into sections. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I like sections to organize content. If no sections, then the article would benefit from the names in the first column being alphabetized, without having to manually sort the names in the sortable wikitable. North America1000 20:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, they should be sorted. Anyone feeling in need of a little exercise? Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

International dishes that do not characterise
Since our list criterion is dishes characteristic of England, we have an issue with dishes that are thoroughly international. Two obvious ones (there may be others) are apple pie and black pudding, found all over Europe and the English-speaking world. I think these should be removed; since there's a danger of their being edit-warred back in at a future date, perhaps we should put them in See also with a footnote? Let's try that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Black Pudding is famously Northern.86.173.238.203 (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Bangers and Mash - 410???
I'm not entirely sure what the editor was trying to say with this one - one of the links looks like it's talking about the number of varieties of sausage? Regardless, I'm sure that bangers and mash could not have been made until at the very earliest 1492, as potatoes are an American vegetable.86.173.238.203 (talk) 00:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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More for someone to add
No doubt many more. 82.71.12.56 (talk) 14:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bread & butter pudding
 * Coronation chicken
 * Sussex pond pudding (less well-known)