Talk:List of Fighting Fantasy gamebooks/Archive 2

=Talk:Island of the Lizard King=

"'Like many other Ian Livingstone Fighting Fantasy books, such as Deathtrap Dungeon and Temple of Terror, Island of the Lizard King has multiple paths which lead to the final confrontation, though only one which provides all the items required for success.'" - This isn't actually true. The book can be completed by taking any path. All that is needed for the final confrontation is either a Fire Sword or a Monkey. It's impossible to get to the final confrontation without coming across the monkey, so (theoretically at least) any path is plausible, though some are obviously better than others. Wightpants 23:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've changed that bit and added some stuff about the nature and difficulty of the quest. I might add a bit more about the story later.Wightpants 19:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

=Talk:Caverns of the Snow Witch=

I enjoyed this book as it was one of the more difficult ones of the series. However, one of the drawbacks was that because it was in three distinct parts, you ended up having to repeat successful parts having failed at a later stage.

This was also one of my favourite fighting fantasy books and I completed it very quickly too, though one of the major faults was indeed having to redo completed sections. - KeirSim

=Talk:House of Hell=

I have completed this book having only accumulated 6 Fear points. Under no circumstances is this sufficient to frighten you to death, therefore the inability to complete info is inaccurate. sebzeppelin 14:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The article states that House of Hell is the only book to use Fear points. This may be true, but from memory Beneath Nightmare Castle uses Sanity points (I don't have a copy on hand, feel free to correct me) and this seems like a very similar mechanic. If this can be confirmed the statement in the article should be altered to reflect this. Euchrid 11:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Correction: Beneath Nightmare Castle uses Willpower points, but functionally they're the same thing, except that they go down with each encounter rather than up. Euchrid 06:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen Beneath Nightmare Castle, but I clearly remember another book in the series (although not its name, unfortunately) in which the protagonist loses if all the walls of a particular keep are breached (certain paragraphs informed the reader when a wall gets breached). This is a similar mechanic and I have amended the statement accordingly.--sebzeppelin 22:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

=Talk:Talisman of Death=

I've changed the cover from the American version to the British version, because a) It's a British book by British authors, so I feel we should use the British cover b) Consistency. Every other article on the books uses the British Puffin covers.
 * The infobox still states it's the American cover.... Noble Kale 23:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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"This book's structure is similar to The Lord of the Rings novel, by J.R.R. Tolkien" - in what way ? it seems pretty darned different to my reading eye.

=Talk:Appointment with F.E.A.R.=

I'm giving this article a going-over to bring it in line with the rest of the series. Are there any objections to the removal of the lists, which I consider to be completely unnecessary? Euchrid 15:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've worked a few points from the lists into some new paragraphs Euchrid 16:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

=Talk:Trial of Champions=

The "Story" section is ambiguous, is Baron Sukumvit the brother of the hero or of the hero's slavemaster? (Presumably the latter, but I wouldn't know...)

=Talk:Beneath Nightmare Castle=

Made the article. :-) It's my first and its pretty basic, but at least it's a start. FlamingStarPress 14:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats on your first article!


 * I've made a few stylistic edits. Here's the rationale:


 * (i) I've deleted the sentence about including the standard 400 paragraphs. I think such a sentence is only necessary if there's anything unusual about the structure — if it's normal (400 sections, ends in the final section) we don't need to say anything, because that's covered in the main FF article.
 * (ii) Regarding illustrators, I think we should credit the main illustrator in the text, and credit the cover illustrator in the infobox caption, as per my changes here. That said I won't object if you put Terry Oakes' credit back in the main text, I'm still considering my opinions on this.  Whatever, it would be good to add a "cover" thing to the infobox, so as to separate out the illustrators.  I'll try to do this (and put a note on Talk:Fighting Fantasy when it's done).


 * Hope this works for you. Looking forward to your next work! —WebDrake 00:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Second thoughts on the cover illustration thing: see Template talk:Infobox Fighting Fantasy book. —WebDrake 00:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

You made the article look much better. I'll keep what you've done here in mind when editing/making more articles for FF. :-) BFlamingstarPress 21:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks very good for a start. One simple question - is this the book with Terror/sanity points? I seem to recall that it is, though I will need to check up on this when I get the time....
 * On the whole though, a good first effort. Better than my first, in any case Noble Kale 23:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, there's a Willpower value. If the player has a Willpower below 6 and then unsuccessfully Tests their Willpower, it's game over. Noble Kale 08:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If the book uses a unique rule then that needs to go into the article. I don't have a copy of this book available, so could someone who does please put it in? Euchrid 15:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can we reference the comment that some of the original artwork was banned for being too gruesome? —WebDrake 10:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Note on interior illustrations
This comment was left on the page. I've changed the article accordingly but obviously I couldn't leave it there so I've reproduced it here:

( Note from Dave Carson, interior illustrator : None of the illustrations were "banned". Puffin just thought one or two were rather gruesome and decided against using them.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilRedEye (talk • contribs) 11:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

=Talk:Legend of the Shadow Warriors=

I've given a summary of the book and its links to Moonrunner and the never-written third book. Hope people like it.

Can someone provide a .jpg of the cover (I don't have a scanner)? —WebDrake 21:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Done Euchrid 06:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

=Talk:The Crimson Tide=

Mudworm printing error
This resulted in a long-running enmity between Mason and Gascoigne, with Mason considering the editor to have essentially ruined his book.

I removed this statement since it has been in the article for a long time but yet, no source has been supplied supporting the proposition that Mason and Gascoigne had a long-running enmity due to the error. However, if someone can supply a reference that can support this, please don't hesitate to add it once more.--Auger Martel 06:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Good man. If you look on the former Fighting Fantasy site (via the internet archive), there's an interview with Mason where he describes Gascoigne's edit to the Mudworm.  It's clear he's pretty pissed off about it, but no justification for "long-running enmity" or whatever. —WebDrake 12:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

=Talk:Moonrunner=

It should also be noted that this book has an awesome reference to the "Friday The 13th" Films.

A long time nemesis of yours named Conrad is killed and then hit by lighting. He sits up, dons a nearby hockey mask (dubbed a "war mask") and proceeds to stalk you throughout the book slaughtering everyone in his way.

Conrad cannot be killed, mereley slowed by besting him in combat. However if you lure him to the docks you can chain him to a boulder and throw him under the lake just like in Friday The 13th Part 6.

Rewrite
I've made something of a major rewrite of the article, expanding on the storyline and the relationship to Legend of the Shadow Warriors. I've also added the Friday the 13th reference, along with one to Halloween, since Conrad the Maniac Guard seems to me to mix characteristics of both Jason and Michael Myers.

We need a citation for the projected 3rd book that Stephen Hand was to write. An interview on the former www.advancedfightingfantasy.com website (before the Wizard Books site took over) contained it, but I haven't been able to find it yet (the Internet Archive is down).

Hope people like the work! Now I'm going to put in something for Legend of the Shadow Warriors... —WebDrake 20:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. — Apologies for the large number of (often minor) edits. I made a couple of mistakes while working with fiddly details... —WebDrake 22:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Fan reactions
To whoever added the material on "fan reactions", please cite some references ... —WebDrake 11:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, following the lack of response on this subject, and as discussed on Talk:List of Fighting Fantasy gamebooks, I am reverting this change. If the (anonymous) editor who added this material can provide appropriate supporting evidence, I will reconsider. —WebDrake 00:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

=Talk:Siege of Sardath=

Article made. Will add cover picture tommorow. FlamingStarPress 20:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

=Talk:Island of the Undead=

Alright, I've made the article. I don't make many, so if I've done anything wrong please fix it. I figure even if we can only make a very basic article to start with, its worth making so other people can build on it. I don't know how to add a picture, so could someone do that? Peace. FlamingStarPress 19:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

FlamingStarPress here, added a picture and quotation.

=Talk:Bloodbones=

With BloodBones now published, I think this article needs a big update! FlamingStarPress 18:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

In Print?
Is it really in print? I reworded a few paragraphs (as requested above) to take into account that it is now in print (as described in the article) and then could not find definitive proof. Assistance requested finding proof the book really is in print. Robert Brockway 19:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, now I find it easily enough. Yes the book is in print:
 * http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bloodbones-Fighting-Fantasy-Steve-Jackson/dp/1840467657/sr=8-1/qid=1158606905/ref=pd_ka_1/202-0966773-9202252?ie=UTF8&s=gateway
 * Robert Brockway 19:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Glad you found it. I'll update this page so it looks like the others in the near future (Flaming Star Press) 86.8.210.56 23:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)