Talk:List of French Jews

For a May 2005 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/List of French Jews

Politicians
Hitler was Jewish!! Genghis Khan was Jewish? Christ was Jewish! Gironomo was Jewish! Santa Ana was Jewish! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.138.19 (talk) 02:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC) Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ were not jewish of course! And by the way the Jews are NOT ancient Israelites this is a historically and anthropologically proven fact. How is it possible to write such a nonsense in a enzyklopedia? I really don't think that René Mayer is Jewish, but I can't confirm this yet--Maxn 03:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You may be right – the only places he's described as Jewish are in informal discussions alongside Blum and Mendès-France, which may be purely due to his name. I've removed him for now.


 * Question: can you confirm Philippe Starck? I couldn't find anything online (in French or English). Also do you know whether Debré is fully Jewish or only part? Juko 11:18, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I will look for the Starck references. I read an interview with him within the last year where he talked about the oddness of growing up chubby and Jewish in Paris. Maxn 14:26, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I was not able to find the Starck references anywhere online, so I guess his status has to remain uncertain for now. Maxn 20:51, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Following up on Michel Debré: he clearly has a Jewish grandfather. Furthermore, his son Bernard described Michel's father Robert as "élevé dans le judaïsme" but implies no other Jewish heritage. I think this means that Robert was born Jewish but married out, making Michel half-Jewish. Juko 13:56, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You may well be right about that. I will look for further references on his mother.

Looking more carefully online, it seems Mayer probably had some Jewish origins after all. For example this PDF file says "...on trouve des hommes juifs de tout bord politique, comme René Cassin, René Mayer, ou Jules Moch et Pierre Mendès-France, évadés des prisons de Vichy". (Also, this description of René's cousin-once-removed indicates that Captain Armand Mayer is René's great-uncle.) Juko 01:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can anyone provide a reference for Nicholas Sarkozy? I always thought he must be part Jewish but never have found any credible reference stating that. Maxn 20:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Here are a few: BBC News, London Times, Washington Post (search for "Jewish") . On closer inspection, I suspect only his maternal grandfather was Jewish (e.g. as in Yahoo! France). I've removed him until I find out more. Juko 21:49, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Émile Benveniste and Paul Dukas are jewish? I think someone should double-check that, since I've heard differently.
 * Benveniste is a famous Jewish pedigree. why removed?? --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 00:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Isidore Isou is unlikely to be Jewish --(anon.)


 * According to Greil Marcus' Lipstick Traces: A Secret History of the 20th Century, Isou is Jewish. I wouldn't consider him to be a politician, though. User:My Friend Stan

Regarding Phil Spector's inclusion on this list: his mother was French (born of Russian immigrant parents), although he was born in New York City and raised in Los Angeles. This is documented in Mark Ribowsky's biography of Spector, He's A Rebel.

I don't think Liliane Bettencourt (Loreal) is jewish only her son in law is. I think it should be erased.

Nicolas Sarkozy is half jewish on his fathers side according to Wikipedia. Someone source this and add him to the list. Looking at his nose you can easily tell he is jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.67.95 (talk) 22:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Jewish? / In the List?
please add to the list or answer me.


 * Hector Berlioz, the composer? I have heard he was Jewish from many sources. I'll try to get clearer references. Wikipedia page on him says his father was atheist, but that shouldn't be a problem, in my opinion. Of course, he was a Catholic, but if Jewish by ancestry, he should be here. 75.84.98.250 (talk) 05:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Mathilda May, Victor Haim
 * Halphen pedigree
 * Georges Henri Halphen
 * Louis Halphen
 * Eric Halphen
 * Fernand Halphen, composer
 * Charles Bettelheim
 * Mane-Katz
 * Romain Weingarten (fr)
 * Gustave d'Eichthal, publicist, Hellenist
 * Georges Politzer
 * Alexandre Trauner (Alexander Trauner)
 * Jean Epstein
 * Manuel Rosenthal
 * Samuel Naumbourg
 * Sébastien Lifshitz
 * Rachel Félix
 * Jean Babilée (born Gutman, Guttmann)
 * Halévy family
 * Pierre Dreyfus
 * Menachem Meiri, rabbi
 * members of Nicolas Bourbaki
 * Robert Aron
 * Maurice Sachs
 * Michel Hazanavicius
 * Adolphe Cohn
 * Charles Szlakmann, cartoonist, rabbi?
 * Marcel Schwob* (Lucy Schwob is Jewish)
 * Octave Hamelin*
 * Nathalie Lemel
 * Jeannot Szwarc*
 * Antoine Waechter (fr:Antoine Waechter)
 * Michel Béroff
 * Jean-Michel Damase
 * Joseph Benvenutti
 * Emmanuelle Haïm
 * Joseph-François Kremer
 * Jacqueline de Romilly
 * Patrick Lowie (1964 - ...)
 * Olivia Rosenthal (1965 - ...)
 * Eric-Emmanuel Schmitt (1960 - ...)
 * --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 10:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Michel Debré (1912 - 1996) Prime Minister, 1959-1962; leading Gaullist
 * René Mayer (1895 - 1972) Prime Minister, 1953
 * Edouard Brezin (1938 - ) physicist
 * Paul Pierre Lévy (1886 - 1971) mathematician
 * Jacques Attali (1943 - ) economist, writer
 * Maurice Halbwachs (1877 - 1945) sociologist
 * Nostradamus (1503 - 1566) astrologer & seer
 * Guy Sorman - philosopher
 * Marcel Gotlieb (1934 - ) cartoonist
 * Sonia Rykiel (1930 - ) fashion designer
 * Pierre Arditi (1944 - ) actor
 * Jean-Pierre Bacri (1951 - ) actor
 * Claude Berri (1934 - ) director
 * Richard Berry (1935 - 1997) actor
 * Patrick Bruel (1959 - ) actor and singer
 * Alain Chabat (1958 - ) actor
 * Henri Diamant-Berger (1895 - 1972) director and producer
 * Michel Drach (1930 - 1990) director
 * Michel Drucker (1942 - ) producer
 * Charlotte Gainsbourg (1971 - ) actress, daughter Serge Gainsbourg
 * Judith Godrèche (1972 - ) actress
 * La Goulue (1866 - 1929) dancer
 * Roger Hanin (1925 - ) actor and director
 * Cédric Klapisch (1961 - ) director
 * Véra Korène (1901 - 1996) actress & stage director
 * Diane Kurys (1948 - ) director
 * Max Linder (1883 - 1925) silent-film actor
 * Vincent Lindon (1959 - ) actor
 * Lazare Meerson (1900 - 1938) film artist
 * Marcel Ophüls (1927 - ) director
 * Gérard Oury (1919 - 2006) director
 * Éric Rochant (1961 - ) director
 * Simone Signoret (1921 - 1985) actress
 * Gaspard Ulliel (1984 - ) actor
 * Francis Veber (1937 - ) film director
 * Michaël Youn (1973 - ) humorist, actor
 * Elsa Zylberstein (1968 - ) actress
 * Franck Amsallem (1961 - ) jazz pianist & composer
 * Thomas Bangalter (1975 - ) musician, DJ
 * Michel Berger (1947 - 1992) singer, composer
 * Alain Boublil (1941 - ) & Claude-Michel Schönberg (1944 - ) musical writers
 * Mike Brant (1947 - 1975) singer
 * Dany Brillant (1965 - ) singer
 * Patrick Bruel (1959 - ) singer, actor, world poker champion
 * Étienne Daho (1956 - ) singer
 * Sandrine Erdely-Sayo (1968 - ) pianist
 * Laïka Fatien (1968 - ) jazz singer
 * Jean Ferrat (1930 - ) composer, singer
 * David Guetta (1967 - ) DJ
 * Raphaël Haroche (1975 - ) musician
 * Mireille Hartuch (1906 - 1996) singer, composer
 * Didier Marouani - composer
 * Michel Polnareff (1944 - ) singer, musician
 * Monique Serf (1930 - 1997) singer
 * Nicola Sirkis (1959 - ) singer
 * Pierre David-Weill, banker
 * Michel David-Weill chairman of Lazard LLC Partners
 * Isaac & Daniel Carasso, founders of Danone
 * Savielly Tartakower, chess grandmaster French?
 * Jean Taubenhaus, chess master
 * Daniel Wildenstein, racehorse owner
 * Maurice Herzog, mountaineer : first 8000 m : mountain Annapurna (1950)
 * Jean-Jacques Schuhl, writer
 * Laurent Cohen-Tanugi, writer, lawyer
 * Jerome Federman, writer
 * Ossip Bernstein, chess grandmaster French?
 * Gerard Louis-Dreyfus, billionaire owner of Louis-Dreyfus & Co.
 * Philippe Kahn, founder of Borland
 * Mad Jack 21:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed People

 * Émile Benveniste

Rabbis

 * Moses ha-Darshan

Liliane Bettencourt isn't Jewish. Not that I care that she's on the list but it isn't accurate. Her son in law is Jewish but she isn't. Can someone prove different???
can someone erase it ???

Taken care of.


 * Apparently, as soon as this was taken care of a user promptly reverted the removal. Apparently people on this list are Jewish even when no sources exist to say they are. 72.144.136.54 13:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The fact that her son in law is "Jewish" proves that she is: Ashkenazis/Khazars are racially pure, the males do not marry/reproduce outside the tribe. Her son in law's wife, her daughter, MUST BE "JEWISH"-"Jewish" decent is matrilineal, therefore she MUST be "Jewish" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.253.76 (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The preceding statement is complete and utter tripe. The relationship between Ashkenazis and Khazars is virtually nil. As to the Ashkenazis insisting on being "racially pure," that's just plain ridiculous, as anyone who has seen their intermarriage rate these days can attest. In the US, that rate is something like 50%. In other Western countries it varies, but is probably not much lower.

Balthus
Balthus has a reference, so should not be deleted. Jewprom is not a Wikipedia mirror. It does link to Wikipedia (not the same thing), but it has a list of the sources it has used. True, Amazon does sell biographies, but that does not mean that every statement on the Amazon site is an official or authorised biography.--20.138.246.89 15:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If you can't see that the material is virtually copied and pasted from old wikipedia lists, you must be blind. It shouldn't matter though since we already know his mother probably had Jewish ancestors. The fact that Balthus denied having Jewish ancestry, and didn't practice Judaism really doesn't help his case. It states that his father was Polish Catholic Gentry and his mother a Polish immigrant to France who was descended from the Russian Romanovs (who we know were Christians). Her father supposedly was a cantor which suggests through at least her paternal ancestry, there was Jewish practice. Nonetheless, Balthus' parents were Christians, as was Balthus himself - in fact, an ardent Catholic, he called the pope his "soul mate", and he denied his mother was Jewish throughtout his life. To be honest, who's a better source than Balthus himself? We don't know the details, and even if his mother did have significant Jewish ancestry..if he wishes not to be called Jewish then so be it. 72.144.161.165 20:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Further references have been found for Balthus; in any case, Jewprom is not discredited (see Talk:List of Polish Jews).--Brownlee 20:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please read the paragraph above. Nobody is saying 0 sources exist saying Balthus's mother was of Jewish faith. 72.144.136.114 16:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"In addition, individuals actively assisted the Vichy regime, and the Nazis as well, by seizing Jewish private property, annihilating synagogues and other Jewish monuments, and in transporting Jews to Nazi death camps. Examples being Eugene Schueller, (the founder of the biggest cosmetics company in the world, French company, L’Oreal) and his L’Oreal colleagues, Andre Bettencourt and Jacques Correze."

Also, Brezin and Wollman have had  tags on them for quite a while. If anyone can find a source within a few days, notably the users who added their names, please provide them. Otherwise, the names will have to be removed. 68.223.217.166

Alexander Grothendieck
As discussed at Talk:Alexander Grothendieck, his father was undoubtedly jewish and the best source says that his mother was, too. Even if she was not, this is a list of "Jews and people of Jewish origins", so he is clearly eligible.--Brownlee 16:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Nicolas Sarkozy
Nicolas Sarcozy should certainly be in this list:

--Brownlee 14:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite the edit summary of the person deleting him, his mother was 100% Jewish ; when the BBC quote in the article describes her as "Greek and Jewish", it means that she was a Jew from Greece.
 * He acknowledges and values his Jewish ancestry
 * The article is not confined to observant Jews: "The following is a list of some prominent Jews and people of Jewish origins (not all of them practice, or practiced, the Jewish religion)"


 * Actually, if you'd read your second link – or Sarkozy's wikipedia article – you'd have noticed that his mother was not in fact Jewish: her father was a Greek Jew who converted to Catholicism when he married her French Catholic mother. Sarkozy was not raised Jewish in any way, though he does acknowledge his ancestry, as you say. -Udzu 00:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * PS Remember that journalists can be as sloppy as Wikipedia editors. Thus Jewish ancestry can be falsely abbreviated to Jewish. For example, Kelly Osbourne was described as "Jewish" in the Jewish Chronicle, despite only having a Jewish grandfather, publicly saying "I'm not Jewish" on TV, and walking around in a shirt saying "Shikse". -Udzu

There seems to be a violation of WP:NOR here. We have two sources saying his mother was Jewish and none saying explicitly that she wasn't. Maybe both her parents were Jewish converts to Catholicism? Anyway, so long as he acknowledges his ancestry and says that his roots are in the greek Jewish community, do we have any right to exclude him? Kelly Osbourne is an irrelevance here.--Newport 19:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I raised the Kelly Osbourne issue simply to show that unsubstantiated claims of Jewishness can be unreliable even in mainstream sources. Having said that, the current entry seems to be a good compromise. Udzu 20:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Uduzy, I have no idea about Sarkoszy (although it seems clear to me that he "he does have Jewish ancestry. What is absolutely certain and undeniable is that Kelly Osbourne IS 100% Jewish, as her mother, Sharon, is also 100% Jewish. QED Barmispain (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

What does 'ACKNOWLEDGING ___ ancestry' have to do with anything? If he denies it, but its proven true somehow, would that somehow not making him eligible? This doesn't make sense. African American DNA is 10-15% of European origin. So the ones who acknowledge this as a fact are viable entries for a list of Europeans????? This is a joke. White Supremacist David Duke acknowledges he probably has African American heritage. So would everyone agree he should be put on List of African Americans? How is this any different from what's happening here?

Nicholas Sarkozy born to a Hungarian father and half French/half Greek-Jewish mother:

He isn't even on List of famous Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary which would certainly be more viable given he's half Hungarian. Should he be put on List of Greeks too do you think? Did he ever call himself "Jewish" or "Greek" of "Hungarian"???

Tiger Woods is 1/4th Chinese. Can I place him on List of Chinese people? He doesn't deny Chinese heritage.

No responses or counter-arguments? Just reverts?


 * I don't know who made these unsigned comments. However, it is clear that Sarkozy belongs on this list, which includes "people of Jewish origins (not all of them practice, or practiced, the Jewish religion)".  Were this a list of practising Jews, i would agree with his deletion, but it isn't.--Brownlee 14:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

When does the limitation to Jewish Origins stop? A person is born Jewish, but does not practice, they can stay on here. But Sarkozy was not born Jewish and neither was his father or EVEN mother. Absolutely farfetched to keep him on here just because down the family line there was a racial Jew. So should we put Russian poet Alexander Pushkin on List of Ethiopians because his great-grandfather was Ethiopian? Should we put Tiger Woods or Keanu Reeves on List of Chinese people because they have acknowledged Chinese origins???? Use logic. This entry is a full-blown joke. I am changing it again.


 * It is very odd that this editor keeps refusing to sign his/her submissions. Anyway, we are in total agreement.  If this list had different criteria, such as being a practising Jew, Sarkozy would be ineligible.  He/she says that if the criteria on other lists were appropriate, other people would be eligible for them; I have not looked at these lists, so don't know if he/she is right, but we are only discussing this list.--20.138.246.89 08:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You know what's odder? Why a user with such a long wiki experience, who knows perfectly well how to sign a comment, and who has a rather lengthy list of contributions still doesn't get a username and continuously finishes other user's discussions. That is quite odd. "Of Jewish origins" is a subjective interpretation that can mean anything you would like it to mean (1/16th Jewish descent too?) and can/should be easily changed. On the other hand, more properly documented lists like List of British Jews use a standard that, interestingly enough, many if not all other lists use. This list shall be no different. 141.211.251.69 22:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * This list is what it says it is, and the fact that, uniquely, the List of British Jews has different standards is irrelevant. The consensus of editors is that Sarkozy meets the criteria for this page.  Since he is not British, he is unlikely to be put on the List of British Jews so the criteria for that page do not matter.  And what relevance is it that the List of British Jews is referenced?  This list could easily be referenced to show that everyone on it meets the criteria of this article.


 * What does "continuously finishes other user's discussions" mean, other than that I agree with every editor of this page except for the above editor?--20.138.246.89 08:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

As a french, i can say that is ridiculous to put sarkozy in the list. Beaucause if so, i can add 1000 personallities more 1/4 jewish ('scuse for my english) 82.226.68.59 09:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * We should certainly put in everyone who asserts and is proud of his Jewish ancestry, as Sarkozy does .--20.138.246.89 16:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

That begs the question should we put people who are very semitic in culture but not ancestry on here too? This is opening a box of vast options! Especially since being proud of Jewish ancestry has some sort of say in this. 141.211.210.121

Changing the scope of this list
I cannot see any reason to make a major change to the scope of this list, which would put it out of line with many other similar lists. There is no general Wikipedia policy on ethnic lists, despite more than one attempt to agree on one. However, it is common practice to include people with partial Jewish ancestry, so long as their entry makes clear what their ancestry is. The change to the unique rule on List of British Jews was made after a vote on the talk page of that article, which is obviously not binding on other articles. We should not make such a change here unless and until we have had a similar vote. And if the intention had been to move to the same policy as that list, a similar wording should have been used: "List of French Jews is a list that includes Jewish people from France and its predecessor states."--Newport 21:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

"Of Jewish origins" states nothing of the scope of this list anyway. A "French Jew" is a term that can't be defined by wikipedia users. If this was a list of French people with a Jewish grandfather, Sarkozy would fit. Instead this is a list of French Jews. Therefore, unless somewhere it unflauntingly states Sarkozy is Jewish (and we know he's a French politician), he's not an appropriate entry... :-/ End of story, despite all the hoo-haw by anti-semites and philo-semites to make note of it. 141.211.210.121 17:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you are right!!! Peace man! Unsigned comment added 08:11, 11 October 2006 by user:193.45.244.11


 * No, this is not right. As has been repeatedly stated, this is not just a list of practising Jews.--20.138.246.89 11:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sick classification; someone has heard about André Tulard here?
Being used to Wiki too much, I just want to say it quickly: this list makes me sick, and it probably makes a lot of other Wikipedians sick. Probably a lot of them are French (that's why they stumbled there) and not much less Jewish. To put it clearly: the huge majority of French people do not classify themselves according to religion or ethnicity, and the last time some guy made such a list... well, he was called fr:André Tulard, and this definitely deserved to be translated (for non-French speaking people: André Tulard was in charge of the Direction of Foreign Service and Jewish Affairs at the prefecture of Police before 1940 and after 1940. Although the French state claimed its files were deleted in 1945, they were actually found by some stubborn historians in... the early 1990s ! Fifty years since the French state has retained a list of "its French Jews"... Just in case? What are you Wikipedians innocently doing, trying to be "philo-semitic" or "anti-semitic" as one fellow put up out there? Just... leave it there! Classify your friends, on your personal diaries, if you will &mdash; leave strangers alone! Lapaz
 * I forgot to say the evidence: those files made the Gestapo's work really, really, easy. Most of the people taken away during the Rafle du Vel'd'Hiv in July 1942 wouldn't have been, if it weren't for these... sick classifications. Think about it, boy !Lapaz
 * Just stumbled on this article. This list and other lists related to religion belief are plain appalling. Unbelievable ! - Wikigi | talk to me | 08:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have to say that this article has a bit of an anti-semitic side to it... I think it's almost as bad as a german equivalent... Hyg53 (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This article, and ones like it, makes me sick as well, and angry beyond words. I simply cannot understand why Jimmy Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation continue to permit these list articles and categories compiled by racists and race obsessed individuals to exist. --- What makes lists like this one particularly offensive is that it identifies people as Jews (or whatever) by the article title even if they never practiced the faith themselves; only that some editor has determined an ancestor or relative - even distant - once practiced the faith (or had an ancestor of a certain ethnic heritage). However, personally, I am outraged by all of these types of lists. --- American Wikipediens, in particular, seem to continue to accept the historical « one drop rule » as an acceptable methodology and standard to apply in all sorts of absurd ways to categorize people. I am certain that there are tens of thousands of Wikipédiens that hope this deeply offensive categorization and list making will permanently end one day soon. Charvex (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Corrections
Be careful of what corrections are made to the sources of this list. According to the hierarchy of reliable sources the person themselves has the last word on their religion, ethnicity, nationality and so on. Second to that comes family, but priority goes to family publications than just statements. So, under these circumstances, both Balthus, who makes it painfully clear he was not Jewish to many biographers and Eugene Ionesco, who actually never said he was of Jewish descent, doesn't qualify. Anyone who has read Ionesco's autobiographical writings --- one can search them here http://www.amazon.com/Present-Past-Personal-Memoir/dp/0306808358 and these are really really short, it only took me a few hours to read --- knows that there is absolutely no mention of a Jewish mother or any sort of Jewish heritage anywhere in the book, which apparently supports his daughter's claim that the statement of "affirming his Jewish origins" is a lie. Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Montaigne
I haven't been able to find any source that Michel Eyquem de Montaigne's mother was born a Jew, only that her family had once descended from Jews. This could be said of many Spanish families at the times of the explusions, and who knows how many generations back this conversion may have happened. It doesn't say. Does anybody know? Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Encyclopaedia Judaica says explicitly that his mother was Jewish.--Newport 01:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Does it say she was Jewish or "descended from a Jewish family"? A lot of Spaniards are descended from a Jewish family. Many many. Perhaps as much as 10% of the current population had a background where conversion took place. Mehmeda 01:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Taubenhaus
Need another reference for Taubenhaus. Mehmeda 01:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jean Taubenhaus, chess master

There is an Internet site stating that both Segolene Royal and Francois Hollande are ethnic Jews. I can not find any confirmation about Royal but seems to me that Hollande is not actually a French last name..--armenianNY 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Debré
Only, one of his grand-father was a Jew. See Debré family.--Olevy (talk) 09:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Last addition and unjustified deletion
About the deletion of names by JohnInDC under the specious motive "rm series of unsourced / non-notable additions". First, all of the journalists cited are notables, as they all have their own article on fr.wiki, and are notably jewish. Secondly, they are not unsourced, some of them are already sourced (by libération, rue89, that, if you know this country, are notable newspapers). And which was not the case for the 12 names that were already on the list of journalists you edited without sources.--Elias545 (talk) 22:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's appropriate to add a couple dozen redlinked names to an article, claiming Jewish heritage or ancestry for each name, based on pages that (apparently) exist only on Wikipedia:fr. It is even *less* appropriate to characterize legitimately expressed concerns as "vandalism".  Don't do that any more.  For now I am going to place a template message on that section, indicating that it is poorly sourced (which it is) in the hope that in addition to adding these ostensibly notable names to this list, you'll undertake to create articles here on :en for the ones that are truly notable.  JohnInDC (talk) 00:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite comfortable with the foregoing and I've raised the issue here. JohnInDC (talk) 00:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * (copy of my answer there) About the notability in a list of french people. These french journalists are notable in France and the french-speaking world. It would not be legitimate to ask for them to be notable internationally or in the english-speaking world (like in the US, Australia or the UK). As it would not be for all the journalists on List of Jewish American journalists to ask for them to be famous outside of the US (all the people on this list are red-linked on other wikipedias). Some of these french journalists are red-linked, but the sames have full articles on fr.wiki (which applies strictly the criterias of notability). ie: Élisabeth Lévy/fr:Élisabeth Lévy, Michel Field/fr:Michel Field, Marc-Olivier Fogiel/fr:Marc-Olivier Fogiel etc, these articles are not stubs and these people are famous and notable in the said country. Asking for french people to be notable in the US would be a cultural/national bias.--Elias545 (talk) 09:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've responded at WP:EAR. Let's keep the discussion in one place; if and when a resolution is reached we can copy the discussion to this page.  JohnInDC (talk) 10:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Polanski
Now according to most sources including his own Wikipedia page Roman Polanski is at least half & possibly three fourths Jewish and he is a citizen of France as sited in many pages such as Roman Polanski sexual abuse case or even. so I placed him on this list but he was taken off of this list by someone saying 'removing Roman Polanski. He cannot be considered "French" by any extent' which I don not because is right because of his current citizenship. Grantblack (talk) 22:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Removing people from this page whose (pages do not exist)
There are about thirteen people on this list whose names are colored in red instead of black meaning that their pages do not exist English language Wikipeda. So I think that those should be deleted even those they have links, examples would be Jacques Bigart, Arié Elmaleh, Elie Lazard, and Elie Semoun. Grantblack (talk) 8:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think they should stay. See WP:REDLINK Jesse V. (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

-- I strongly protest against your list: I am not Jewish.To me,your list tantamounts to placing a yellow star on/after someone’s name.Such a simple-looking list like yours may be used by some extremists to harm good and law-abiding citizens only because they are Jews.Let's learn from history(at least from the awful lessons of the Second World War)and peacefully stop such potentially destructive tendencies.

P.S: “... Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die?” Source:The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare:Act 3, Scene 1.

Karl K.Imaan 21:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC) --- "Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch.Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship.(Baha'u'llah)".On a personal note,promote unity and peace.Karl K.Imaan 14:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Names that should be on the list
--Davvyfatboy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Bernard Natan (1886-1942) Former head of Pathé, director
 * Jean Sarkozy and wife (son of French president Nicolas Sarkozy)
 * David Abiker, journalist for Europe 1
 * Alexandre Adler, journalist for Arte
 * Laure Adler, journalist for France télévision and Le Monde
 * Claude Askolovitch, journalist for Europe 1
 * Alain Ayache
 * Georges-Marc Benamou
 * Françoise Benhamou, journalist for Esprit (magazine)
 * Pierre Bénichou, former journalist of Le Nouvel Observateur
 * Guy Birenbaum, journalist for BFM tv
 * Philippe Bouvard, journalist for Figaro, France Soir, Paris-Match
 * Rony Brauman, columnist for Libération and l'Humanité
 * Gérard Carreyrou
 * Patrick Cohen, journalist for Europe 1
 * Jean Daniel, founder of Le Nouvel Observateur
 * Nicolas Demorand, journalist for Europe 1
 * Michel Drucker journalist for France 2
 * Marie Drucker journalist for France 3
 * Jean-Pierre Elkabbach journalist for Europe 1
 * Ruth Elkrief journalist for BFM TV
 * Charles Enderlin, journalist for France 2 and a dual French-Israeli national
 * Raphaël Enthoven, journalist for Philosophie magazine and Arte
 * Michel Field
 * Marc-Olivier Fogiel journalist
 * Franz-Olivier Giesbert rédacteur en chef, Le Point
 * Marc Gilbert journalist for the ORTF
 * Mikaël Guedj, journalist for Direct 8
 * Bernard Guetta, journalist for France Inter and Le Monde
 * Serge Halimi, journalist for Le Monde diplomatique
 * Jean-Francis Held, journalist for Le Nouvel Observateur
 * Danièle Heymann, journalist for France Inter
 * Erik Izraelewicz, director of Le Monde
 * Serge July, co-founder of Libération
 * Jean-François Kahn, founder of Marianne (magazine)
 * Guy Konopnicki, journalist for Marianne
 * Élisabeth Lévy, founder of Causeur (magazine)
 * Ivan Levaï, journalist for France Inter
 * Philippe Meyer, journalist for France Inter
 * Alain Minc, former director of Le Monde
 * Edouard Minc, director of Paris-Match
 * Serge Moati artist, journalist, film director and writer
 * Dominique Moïsi, french columnist for international newspapers
 * Géraldine Muhlmann, journalist for France 5
 * Robert Namias, journalist for TF1
 * Laurent Neumann, journalist for RMC (radio)
 * Christine Ockrent, journalist for L'Express
 * Edwy Plenel, founder of Mediapart
 * Michel Polac, journalist for Charlie Hebdo
 * Claude Sarraute, former journalist for Le Monde
 * Colombe Schneck, journalist for i>télé
 * Daniel Schneidermann, founder of Arrêt sur image
 * Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber directeur, L'Express
 * Alain-Gérard Slama, journalist for France Culture
 * Frank Tapiro, journalist for RMC (radio)
 * Elisabeth Tordjman, journalist for Direct 8
 * Éric Zemmour political journalist
 * Jean-Claude Zylberstein
 * Arthur Sadoun and wife Anne-Sophie Lapix
 * Mélissa Theuriau
 * Max Boublil
 * Danny Boon
 * Kev Adams
 * Arié Elmaleh

The decidedly odd list of people above, while including people who are not jewish at all such as Melissa Theurieu, and for the rest focusing almost exclusively on  randomly chosen, and in some cases not particularly well-known journalists, obviously has the kind of agenda that doesn't greatly help wikipedia.

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