Talk:List of Futurama episodes/Archive 1

Finished
i finally finished it! Raemie 19:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe, good job, it's looking great! :-) Maybe there should be some mention about how the episodes relate to the TV airings. I prefer the actual production order, but it could maybe be useful to cross-reference things for some. -- Jugalator 10:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We need to update the Episode pages a bit. Mainly the Season 1 episodes have the same Writer and Director for each episode. Please, if you have the time and know the person that wrote or directed the episode, update the page accordingly. -Icweiner

Episode infobox
I created a template for the infoboxes on the episode pages. I used it for the Space Pilot 3000 page. The "Opening Subtitle" and "Opening Cartoon" parts of the infobox don't show on the infobox on the Space Pilot page. Could somebody try to work out the kinks in it and respond here? Also, on the subject of infoboxes, I also made a season one infobox, like the ones seen with The Simpsons. I'll make the Season 2, 3, and 4 versions of that infobox later. -Icweiner
 * I just fixed it up a bit to now show the "opening" parts, and also to attach the season box properly. -- Jugalator 11:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Depth of Details and order
Just read Icweiners comment. I'd not say that more depth is necessary. For a quick overview this list is just perfect. If you want more information, I would suggest putting a link to Futurama %28TV series - season 3%29 or the other seasons respectively. Also, concerning the seperation, I would suggest to arrange it according to the real air dates. IMHO, the production codes are not the measure. Wouldn't the air dates determine the order on the DVDs as well? Just some thoughts.--perelly 00:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The DVDs are by production code, which is the reason there are 4 volumes to the DVD releases (corresponding to the 4 production seasons) and not 5 (corresponding to the airdate seasons). In addition Fox aired an episode with Cubert in it before the episode in which Cubert is introduced, so viewers would have no idea why a new character just shows up for no reason if they watched the series in air date order. Qutezuce 00:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Episode "The Deep South" linked incorrectly
When you click on the link to the Deep South it links to a different article about the "South" as opposed to the actual episode synopsis. I tried to change it but alas i do not know how.
 * Just noting that someone else did fix this at some point. Cburnett 03:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yeah, I fixed it. I pretty much hardwired everything that linked to The Deep South to point to the episode instead.  I probably could have just changed the redirect but I wasn't sure that was appropriate. If anyone wants to link to that episode in the future they'll need to do the same. Stardust8212 03:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots as fair use
In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes. I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.

One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.

I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 08:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Season 3 DVD set
Has anyone translated the message written in Alien Language that appears just after the copyright warnings?--Ukdan999 23:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Translations from Futurama. +Hexagon1 (t) 04:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote box
If you are going to add a wikiquote box to an episode page, please place it under the episode infobox. If you don't, there is a big empty space on the page. Thanks!--Salvax 21:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

TOC
Why is there no TOC on the article page? Wouldn't it make navigating the page easier? Just wondering. Nashville Monkey 10:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

S02E18 is Mother's day or The Problem with Popplers?
In wikipedia it is Mother's day but try "S02E18 futurama" in google and all results are Popplers : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=zpm&q=S02E18+futurama&btnG=Search —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.78.146.186 (talk) 11:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

Mislabeled
There are technically 5 seasons out. They are spread on only 4 DVD sets. These episodes from the 5th season are mislabeled in wikipedia as part of the fourth season. These have been divided by where they are by DVD rather than season. Agent Novichok 03:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * maybe you dont see the big note at the top of the page....


 * "This list is in production order, primarily because this is the order used on the DVDs and it helps avoid plot inconsistencies.


 * Futurama was originally created as four seasons however it was broadcast as five seasons in the original airing.


 * The production code is the code used by FOX to indicate the production order of the episodes, and is in the format #ACV##. The first number represents the production season. ACV is FOX's series code for Futurama. The second number is the episode's number.


 * The TV broadcast code indicates the broadcast order. It is in the format S0#E##, where S0# indicates the broadcasting season of which there were 5, and E## indicates the episode's number."


 * yeah.... Grande13

Episode list out of order
Could Anyone Resort All Of The Futurama Episodes by date beacause it is out of order. --67.34.214.196 16:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The episodes in the list are sorted by production order, not date. This paragraph from the article explains more: "This list is in production order, primarily because this is the order used on the DVDs and it avoids a plot inconsistency of the broadcast order in which Cubert appears before he has been released from his cloning tank." --FlyingPenguins 04:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This only aims to confuse people, why even have the season episode #'s "as seen on (FOX) TV". FOX diced up the show, and I don't see where their numbering system would be beneficial in an encyclopedic manner. Especially if the archive (DVD) numbers them as the creators intended. I think the original order Futurama was aired is historically irrellevent, would anyone object to removing that column?
 * Thinking on it some more, if it's become a means to reference the episodes theres good reason to keep it. It adds a sufficient amount of confusion though and should be changed to be more clear. Maybe put it in parenthesis underneath the production #? 75.68.117.79 21:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Mr. K

List of Futurama episodes by broadcast order
Because there has been, and continues to be, a fair amount of confusion over the ordering of the episodes, I have created List of Futurama episodes by broadcast order. The new list is not meant to supersede this list, but to supplement it. It gives the full perspective on the differences between the intended order the producers wished, and the mangled order FOX bestowed us. And it answers why the current list is out of chronological order, displaying that mis-order that, for better or worse, is what most folks are familiar with. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 08:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Watch out for the redirecting machine
You might want to look into a discussion at Village pump (policy)/Archive BD. User:TTN is going to be redirecting all of the episode pages to the episode list. If you don't want your hard work ELIMINATED, be sure to leave your comments there. —Zachary talk 22:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I rather dislike being lumped into that discussion and if those pages are redirected here I'd say there would be a good number of people reverting those edits. The articles for Futurama are not abandoned as he seems to be claiming the other articles are and WikiProject Futurama is making a conscious effort to improve them, however the sorry state of many of the other Futurama related articles leaves us with quite a bit of work on our hands. If his argument is that no one is trying to get them to GA status he is quite incorrect as I, at least, am trying to figure out what we need to do to meet those standards. I'm not going to get wrapped up in the Village Pump discussion, looks like too much of a mess for me, but I appreciate you going into battle on our behalf. Best of luck and thanks for the heads up. Stardust8212 00:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

season 5
Blank Season 5 looks stupid...


 * I agree, anyone one else think the grid should be deleted until we at least have some more info? (such as titles and expected airdates) -- 68.37.125.87 16:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it should be removed. It's a tease!!!--Salvax 19:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * They have been aired now. http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/EpisodeGuide/Season5/ --89.100.174.73 11:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC) /martbhell
 * That seems to be a list made of season 3+4, I'd say delete season 5 part. --217.159.198.124 21:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode notability
Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for this series appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected, merged or deleted. If you want any help or further information, then come to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. TTN 00:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not to sure about that. Many people here seem to think these episodes are notable, and also, many of the articles cite sources. Per this I'm removing the Notability tags. H t / c 16:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

WTF? I think this thing is missing episodes
I seem to recall more episodes than this. In addition, I don't even see my favorite episode on this list. The one where the Nintendoo64 try to invade the planet. 24.117.164.51 03:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe they are all there, there were on 72 episodes in the original run. You're favorite story is actually part of Anthology of Interest II. -- Will Mak  050389  03:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Season five episodes from Bender's Big Score?
I noticed the table claims the first four episodes of the new season will be taken from the upcoming movie however I recently heard on Attack of the Show that the movies would not be sliced and diced into episodes. The article linked in the edit summary does not seem to indicate one way or another about the movies being used as episodes (perhaps I missed something) so I am wondering where this info came from. It would be really great to add a citation for that. Thanks for any info. Stardust8212 15:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

new link: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=397361  --216.177.121.212

Matt Groening: "I was frustrated when it got cancelled, but Fox, 20th Television is the one who came back and said, 'Would you like to do a DVD movie?'" Groening recalled. We said, 'Let's do two' and they said, 'Well, why not three?' and we said, 'Well, why not four?' and they said, 'Okay, four' and then that's it."

After this, Comedy Central won a bid to air the films as new "Futurama" episodes. "We're writing them as movies and then we're going to chop them up, reconfigure them, write new material and try to make them work as separate episodes. Chopped up is an indelicate way of putting it but we are doing them as movies and then we are reconfiguring them and writing new material and narration and this that and the other so that they'll stand on their own as episodes." Grande13 18:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that link makes it much clearer. Stardust8212 18:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The article states that every movie will be divided into episodes after they are released but I think that sounds wrong because I don't think that Comedy Central is going to air 4 episodes and then wait three months till the released of the other movie that wold take more than a year. I think some of the movies will be aired on TV before they are on DVD.
 * As far as I know there has been no date published for the airing of the episodes. It could be that none of the new episodes will air until all four DVDs are released. We can only state what has been published which is that they will be DVDs and then aired as episodes. If you have an article that gives more details I'd love to see it. Stardust8212 05:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Centralized TV episode discussion
Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here. Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. --User: (talk) 23:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Episode review
We'll be starting a review of each episode to see which ones need to stay and go. The main discussion can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama TTN (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Surprise surprise. —Z<b style="color:#10679f">ac</b><b style="color:#003366">h</b><b style="color:#0e448d">ar</b><b style="color:#2965db">y</b> talk 16:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments on the current status of the Season 1 episodes are welcome and encouraged at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama/Season 1 review. Stardust8212 17:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge all episodes here
Because you're ruining every other wiki, why not this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.166.228 (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're not making any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.166.42 (talk) 17:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Episode tables
I fixed all of the episode tables. They look much neater now and look really good. Holler if you have any comments.  ЩіκіRocкs  talκ 07:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * They weren't actually broken, it was just something put on hold. See . -- Ned Scott 06:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * :( Oh, I didn't realise. But could you revert it back to my tables, just for now?  ЩіκіRocкs  ↔ talκ 12:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:FuturamaDVDs.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sortable table for broadcast order
Just thought I'd note that there is a sortable version of Template:Episode list at Template:S-Episode list. An example of how it's used can be see in List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes or List of Hidamari Sketch episodes. -- Ned Scott 07:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How can multiple separate tables be sorted as though they were one table? When sorting by production order, season 3 table is numbered 45, 46, 47, 50, 51. 48 and 49 are _missing_. They are there, but not sorted because they are in a different table. —<b style="color:#1780bb">Z</b><b style="color:#10679f">ac</b><b style="color:#003366">h</b><b style="color:#0e448d">ar</b><b style="color:#2965db">y</b> talk 16:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, when I noticed that I did an "aw crap" moment. There might be a way to still do the sorting, since the sorting table as it we see it now is just a "cheat" of a sorting table. Even if we don't use sorting, having the parts of the episodes in fields like this will make changing styles really easy, both now and in the future. -- Ned Scott 07:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't feel confident enough in my table making skills to try this myself but would it be reasonable to simply combine the four seasons into a single table which would be sortable by production or broadcast number. Or would that just be unwieldy? I agree that four seperately sortable tables doesn't really work very well but I do like the sortability feature. Stardust8212 22:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Im going to change it back to the initial format as there are multiple episodes that are in cross categories, for example there are a few season 3 production episodes that appeared as part of season 4 and therefore arent effected or effectively sorted by individual sorts. Even if you were to sort all the categories individually things still wouldnt be in order as episodes can't jump from one category to the next.  So it will remain in the history incase a solution is found, but it really doesn't add anything to the article in its current form.  Grande13 (talk) 23:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no point in changing it back when all we have to do is remove "sortable" from the table class. -- Ned Scott 00:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Still trying to figure something out here. There's a few ways to do it, so I'll work something up in my sandbox and show it to everyone, so we can choose what looks best. -- Ned Scott 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok let us know if you come up with anything that works Grande13 (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried something with the tables. They were reverted, but I changed it back again. I just wanted to make the page look better.  ЩіκіRocкs  ↔ talκ 07:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the change renders odd spacing and an extra table cell under each entry. The reason the numbers span two rows is because of a sortable table feature we're trying to work out, which will allow us to dynamically view the list in broadcast order or production order. -- Ned Scott 04:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I converted it for the time being. -- Ned Scott 05:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the tables are better for now. Good luck on making the new sortable table, but can't you ask a skilled IT user to help you? *  ₩іκіRocкs / Love$ounds  ♥ talκ  02:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a few ways to do it technically, it's just a matter of doing it and making it look good at the same time. -- Ned Scott 08:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

5ACV##?
Should S5 still have ACV as it's a FOX code? A T Marsden Talk · {Semi-Retired} 21:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, because they do. They are produced with FOX anyway.  They are just aired on Comedy Central.  Production code doesn't care on which channel they air, they are just often associated with each other.  Remember, that the films are produced with FOX Home Entertainment, which is FOX, those are also the ones cutting them up for episodes.  Hell, the production code for Bender's Big Score is 5ACV01, 5ACV02, 5ACV03 and 5ACV04.  --Svippong 09:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Minor episode naming differences
i may well be subject to obsessive perfectionism, but i've noticed some discordances:
 * Roswell That Ends Well (according to and wikipedia)
 * Roswell that Ends Well (according to )

which one is the "official" list (could the correct ones be wikipedia and futurama wiki?)
 * Time Keeps on Slippin' (according to, and wikipedia)
 * Time Keeps on Slipping (according to )

and what is is written on the dvds (if they care about being coherent in their naming conventions) --Twipley (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: you'd think since most titles from the futurama wiki and wikipedia article on futurama list are the same, this would be a hint that these are the correct, intended production titles, but even titles like Hell is Other Robots are named differently depending on lists, e.g. in wikipedia it's spelled "Hell Is Other Robots"! http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Hell_is_Other_Robots

other possible references are: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0149460/episodes and http://www.tv.com/futurama/show/249/episode_listings.html?season=All


 * maybe if we could know how titles are written on the official dvds, this could hint us towards which list is the "correct" (if there is any), because even the futurama wiki and wikipedia futurama list present some differences. Twipley (talk) 15:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * While this issue have been bought up before at our wiki, we found even "official" sources seemed to collide. So our best bet was to follow the Title Case.  As for Slippin', the title is a reference to a song, where the g is replaced by an apostrophe, so it makes more sense for it to be missing in the episode title as well. --Svippong 16:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * do you mean it was spelled "slippin'" on the title box (volume booklet), or that the title has been changed from "slipping" to match the song title? furthermore, it would be interesting to know if titles of individual volumes really match those of the complete dvd collection (otherwise the whole strategy drops to water). Twipley (talk) 17:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * well, i happened to be thinking about that, again. that is a minor issue and, instead of worrying like i did about something of less importance, my recommendation is you just do like me and go watch futurama. ;) Twipley (talk) 05:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Renewal
As I'm sure most of you have heard, the show is being renewed for 26 episodes in 2010. We need to eventually add a new season to the bottom of the list. <font style="color:#827839;">Ol Yeller '''Talktome 15:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * to clarify its 26 episodes to be spread out over 2 seasons so most likely two 13 episode seasons most likely to premiere in 2010 Grande13 (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Futurama: The Lost Adventure
I've added Futurama: The Lost Adventure, which David X. Cohen says was meant to be the de facto 73rd episode (cite provided). I'd appreciate it if someone else could wikitable the paragraph so the formatting is consistent with the rest of the episode. YLee (talk) 01:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Season 6
Why don't you add the Season 6? The name "Rebirth" is confirmed and the first three minutes of the animatic were shown at the SuperCon in Miami, Florida. The video can be seen in so the plot... well, the first scene, is confirmed.--190.139.224.249 (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want a real source, Newsday got you covered. Alternatively, browse our article on the episode. --Svippong 16:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I Know the the page, sometimes I enter there. Season 6 should be added in this page, but they deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.252.33.200 (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No source was applied. Wikipedia has a far stronger requirement for sources than other wikis.  Next time, try apply a source to the claims, e.g. the Newsday source I linked to previously. --Svippong 15:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, this article more or less confirms its content. --Svippong 15:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous, but I'm not getting into this fight...
You are aware that as a result of this silly edit war over "broadcast" vs. "production order" that has been going on in the last days, the episodes of one complete season are missing from the overview now. Season 5, 2002/2003 vanished in the process.

(cue sound of fanboys hissing. "That's not season 5! The production order overrides the broadcast order. Inconsistencies must be avoided! Also, Han shot first!")

Anyway, I don't feel like getting into this fight, so I'm not reverting anything here. But maybe someone else would like to bring back the missing 18 episodes. -- Minvogt (talk) 15:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * not sure what happened but its fixed nowGrande13 (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * lol ya that was totally grande's fault. also, that fight was been over for a week, when i brought back the broadcast order page.Nickhop 14 (talk) 08:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

WebVoyage ?????
-- G.D. 15/May/2010

What is this reference? Why does it point back to the wiki page? Which WebVoyage database does it refer to? on what website? and where are the codes from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.51.126 (talk) 07:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * While I agree that it is weird that they link back to the wiki article itself, they are referring to the United States Copyright Catalogue, which you can find here. --Svippong 12:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure why someone would say, "search for this" instead of just adding the links. I've replaced the strange redirecting cryptic messages with actual references. X  eworlebi (t•c) 13:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the answers and the change. I've researched this some more - WebVoyage is the name of the software running the web search interface for the voyager system and related server. this is a database system and web interface used by many libraries and online databases. I think that the reference should not say "WebVoyage" but "United Stated Copyright Catalog". -- G.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.51.126 (talk) 14:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point, Done.  X  eworlebi (t•c) 14:28, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I found out why there aren't direct links. The United Stated Copyright Catalog is run by amateurs, the url is only active for about 5 minutes, after that you receive a timeout message when accessing it. I've changed the references to link to the search page with the Application Title as title and the search info after it.  X  eworlebi (t•c) 10:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Attack of the Killer App
According to this page, the third episode of season 6 will be the one entitled "Attack of the Killer App" 87.63.228.190 (talk) 06:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

There are options to view the show by production or broadcast seasons
You can't mix the two together as some people seem intent on doing. Production season 6 is being split into two broadcast seasons (7 and 8). You cannot list 4 seasons from the original run, the movies as season 5, then season 6 as "seasons 6 and 7" because that season was split in two. Wikipedia has both bits of information (production number and broadcast number) listed so why is there a problem.

Can we stop all of this season 7 ridiculousness please? Production season 7 will happen if Comedy Central orders more episodes. Currently it doesn't exist. Broadcast season 7 is airing right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega cyber turnip (talk • contribs) 16:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Order
I seriously think these should be ordered by the broadcasting order, that is the order in which it was aired in, and that's the order most familiar to fans. The production order is more of the behind-the-scenes type thing, and they list the episodes by original air-date in many other lists-of-eps, like the Simspons list. +Hexagon1 (t) 09:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point, but the production codes for The Simpsons episodes do not necessarily indicate the air-date order (they only indicate when the episode was produced, within its season). The production codes for Futurama episodes signify the original intended broadcast order (which is the order they should be viewed in, otherwise plot holes can open). - 68.37.125.87 21:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, leaving it as-is is probably wisest. +Hexagon1 (t) 04:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Leave it in production order!!! The air dates mean absolutely nothing now since they will never again be aired in the exact sequence they originally were.  The ordering now conforms to the DVDs which makes it easy to reference. Dukemeiser 01:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I fully understand the production order, or vol. 1-4 on the DVD's vs. the broadcast order, or seasons 1-5. I prefer the production order, since that was the intended airing order, and would have been the broadcast order if it wasn't cancelled, and the remaining unaired episodes became the fifth season.  What I want to know is whether the Internet Movie DataBase's air dates or these ones are accurate.  The IMDB lists one air date for the first two episodes, which is what I personally remember.  Many other dates don't match either.  If it helps, I live in Canada, and would have watched these through a Canadian affiliate, not actually FOX.  Both sources should match, right?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.134.77 (talk) 19:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not only is production order the order intended by the show's makers and the one that makes sense in terms of story-arcs and so forth, but it is easily more familiar with fans of the show than broadcast order. Remember that A LOT of the show's fans are from outside of the USA and other countries aired the episodes in order as well as releasing the DVDs by production order and calling them 'seasons' as opposed to 'volumes'. Any American fan who got into the series after it aired on TV will also be more familiar with production seasons as this is how the DVDs are ordered. Finally, most die-hard fans prefer the production seasons anyway. Omega cyber turnip (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Movie "production codes"
I see no reason to list the movies with the production codes of "XACV01" and "XACV02." Even though that would make them consistent with the list of episodes, there is no official production code for them... is there? --Hotdoglives 09:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * good point. i do not know if there are, but if there are not, to my mind it should be written something like "corresponding production codes" or "corresponding episodes." Twipley (talk) 00:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, each of the movies has 4 production codes listed towards the end of the credits. 5ACV01, 5ACV02, 5ACV03 and 5ACV04 for Bender's Big Score and so on with each film. I imagine the individual production codes are listed on each episode segment when they air on TV as episodes too.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 14:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Obviously late in the game here but....
Hi everyone. I see there has been some pretty heavy back and forth and I don't want to go and edit it since I don't care to get into a back and forth on it. I do want to note that there are missing episodes not on this list, and I am not at all familiar with the whole difference in production order, broadcast order, etc. I do know that I collect TV shows and Movies and use Wikipedia to get the data in naming them (if they are not named already when I get them, i.e. the files use the season and episode but no title) and on this one I was completely thrown off. Season 1, EVERYWHERE else, including on the DVD sets, has a completely different order. This list that is currently shown as of today has some of what is season 2 listed as season 1, things in the other seasons going forward also are off, and like has been stated on here already there is an entire season of shows that is completely MISSING from this list. So I do not know what should be done there, if there was not a debate already I would just add them and re-order the list. However, since there has already been changes and they have already been reverted I won't even bother since someone else feels strongly that this is the right list. I am going to state that the current list does need to be modified, those missing episodes, which are listed as season 5 everywhere else, need to be inserted into this list somehow. I have all of the episodes to date and from my count I have 7 Seasons, not 6, but that is because I am counting the 4 feature-length titles as Season 6, when I should be counting the current Season as Season 6 and the 4 feature-lengths as Season 5.5 or something. My Season 5 has 16 episodes that are not even listed on this page. Forgetting about the other factors, such as the last 4 episodes of Season 1 on here are actually the first 4 of Season 2 everywhere else, the missing episodes at the very least need to be added on this list somehow. And if they won't be listed as Season 5 then I do not know how they plan to list them, but until they do that this list means zilch to anyone matching up their episode numbers to names.

No need to flame me or criticize my input here as I did not change the page, just adding my 2 cents on the Talk page, and I am not publishing anything here so if you have any complaints about my grammar or spelling in this, read the button on my about me page here for my thoughts on grammar on anything other than published documents or articles. See the same for any corrections to my opinion as well. Scott.alan.kline (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Jeez, that was hard to follow, I have to admit. Anyway, if you had actually read the above discussions properly, you would know that this page is in production order (note the production numbers in the table). Next to that we have the broadcast order. We only use production order here, because Fox broadcast it out of the intended episode order (and this only happened because they kept shuffling it around). All the box sets go by production order, and even other countries broadcast it in production order. The Fox order is pretty much exclusive to them. It's just easier for us to completely ignore their order, other than that one little field. -- Dorsal  Axe  15:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The list on here is what is hard to follow, my comment must not have been understood at all because I was expressly stating that the data is wrong, not that there is a question over production order/release order, etc. I am obviously not the only one who has a problem with this list. The whole 'Broadcast' order that is listed next to the 'Production' list, that is INCORRECT information. It is either incorrect or all of the other major sites one would use to get this information are wrong, while this list on Wikipedia is the correct one. Look on IMDB, or TVGUIDE , or anywhere else. On their list, what they have for Season 5 is this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0149460/episodes/ http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/futurama/episodes/100170/
 * For some reason my citing is not working on this page. Here are the links:

Season 5 - Episode 1: Crimes of the Hot | Air Date: 10 November 2002

Season 5 - Episode 2: Jurassic Bark | Air Date: 17 November 2002

Season 5 - Episode 3: The Route of All Evil | Air Date: 8 December 2002

Season 5 - Episode 4: A Taste of Freedom | Air Date: 22 December 2002

Season 5 - Episode 5: Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch | Air Date: 12 January 2003

Season 5 - Episode 6: Less Than Hero | Air Date: 2 March 2003

Season 5 - Episode 7: Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles | Air Date: 30 March 2003

Season 5 - Episode 8: The Why of Fry | Air Date: 6 April 2003

Season 5 - Episode 9: The Sting | Air Date: 1 June 2003

Season 5 - Episode 10: The Farnsworth Parabox | Air Date: 8 June 2003

Season 5 - Episode 11: Three Hundred Big Boys | Air Date: 15 June 2003

Season 5 - Episode 12: Spanish Fry | Air Date: 13 July 2003

Season 5 - Episode 13: Bend Her | Air Date: 20 July 2003

Season 5 - Episode 14: Obsoletely Fabulous | Air Date: 23 July 2003

Season 5 - Episode 15: Bender Should Not Be Allowed on TV | Air Date: 3 August 2003

Season 5 - Episode 16: The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings | Air Date: 10 August 2003

And what we have listed on Wikipedia for Season 5 is:

Season 5 - Episode 1: Bender's Big Score (Part 1) | Air Date: March 23, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 2: Bender's Big Score (Part 2) | Air Date: March 23, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 3: Bender's Big Score (Part 3) | Air Date: March 23, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 4: Bender's Big Score (Part 4) | Air Date: March 23, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 5: The Beast with a Billion Backs (Part 1) | Air Date: October 19, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 6: The Beast with a Billion Backs (Part 2) | Air Date: October 19, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 7: The Beast with a Billion Backs (Part 3) | Air Date: October 19, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 8: The Beast with a Billion Backs (Part 4) | Air Date: October 19, 2008

Season 5 - Episode 9: Bender's Game (Part 1) | Air Date: April 26, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 10: Bender's Game (Part 2) | Air Date: April 26, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 11: Bender's Game (Part 3) | Air Date: April 26, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 12: Bender's Game (Part 4) | Air Date: April 26, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 13: Into the Wild Green Yonder (Part 1) | Air Date: August 30, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 14: Into the Wild Green Yonder (Part 2) | Air Date: August 30, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 15: Into the Wild Green Yonder (Part 3) | Air Date: August 30, 2009

Season 5 - Episode 16: Into the Wild Green Yonder (Part 4) | Air Date: August 30, 2009

Let's compare Season 4 on IMDB, TVGUIDE, etc. and Season 4 as it is on Wikipedia currently.

Right now Season 4 on IMDB and TVGUIDE is listed as this:

Season 4 - Episode 1: Roswell That Ends Well | Air Date: 9 December 2001

Season 4 - Episode 2: A Tale of Two Santas | Air Date: 23 December 2001

Season 4 - Episode 3: Anthology of Interest II | Air Date: 6 January 2002

Season 4 - Episode 4: Love and Rocket | Air Date: 10 February 2002

Season 4 - Episode 5: Leela's Homeworld | Air Date: 17 February 2002

Season 4 - Episode 6: Where the Buggalo Roam | Air Date: 3 March 2002

Season 4 - Episode 7: A Pharaoh to Remember | Air Date: 10 March 2002

Season 4 - Episode 8: Godfellas | Air Date: 17 March 2002

Season 4 - Episode 9: Future Stock | Air Date: 31 March 2002

Season 4 - Episode 10: A Leela of Her Own | Air Date: 7 April 2002

Season 4 - Episode 11: 30% Iron Chef | Air Date: 14 April 2002

Season 4 - Episode 12: Where No Fan Has Gone Before | Air Date: 21 April 2002

Now what is listed on the page here at Wikipedia is:

Season 4 - Episode 1: Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch | Air Date: January 12, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 2: Leela's Homeworld | Air Date: February 17, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 3: Love and Rocket | Air Date: February 10, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 4: Less Than Hero | Air Date: March 2, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 5: A Taste of Freedom | Air Date: December 22, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 6: Bender Should Not Be Allowed on TV | Air Date: August 3, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 7: Jurassic Bark | Air Date: November 17, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 8: Crimes of the Hot | Air Date: November 10, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 9: Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles | Air Date: March 30, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 10: The Why of Fry | Air Date: April 6, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 11: Where No Fan Has Gone Before | Air Date: April 21, 2002

Season 4 - Episode 12: The Sting | Air Date: June 1, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 13: Bend Her | Air Date: July 20, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 14: Obsoletely Fabulous | Air Date: July 27, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 15: The Farnsworth Parabox | Air Date: June 8, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 16: Three Hundred Big Boys | Air Date: June 15, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 17: Spanish Fry | Air Date: July 13, 2003

Season 4 - Episode 18: The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings | Air Date: August 10, 2003

So it's not a matter of opinion that those are the episodes and those are the seasons. In fact The 4 movies split into 16 individual shows are not even listed as a seasons, anywhere that I can find EXCEPT here on the Wikipedia page we are currently discussing. So where is that even coming from? I see they have cited IMDB as a source, but I don't know how considering the data on IMDB does not match the Data listed here, so what exactly was sourced from IMDB?

As I originally said, I saw that there was a lot of back and forth and people with opinions and ideas, but when someone wants to know what Season 4 Episode 7 is called and is about, the information they will get from this page will NOT match up to the episode they are watching since Season 4 Episode 7 is "A Pharaoh to Remember" and on Wikipedia it is listed as "Jurassic Bark". In fact, everywhere else lists the episode "Jurassic Bark" as Episode 2 of Season 5. What I am stating here is that the information listed is completely wrong. Well, not completely wrong but the vast majority of it is. They do have most of the episodes listed, they are just in the wrong order or are numbered incorrectly. Just look at the two seasons I listed above (Season 4 and Season 5) those are not correct on here, while two other sources have the correct information. Scott.alan.kline (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is correct on here, and yes it is a matter of production seasons versus broadcast seasons. IMDB and tv.com happen to go by broadcast seasons. That's their decision. Broadcast seasons seem to completely ignore the fact that the four movies were shown as a season of 16 episodes (each broken into four parts - why, in a recent interview this season is acknowledged by David X. Cohen as Season 5). We go by production season, because that is the true order, as acknowledged by the creators, featured on the box sets, and used by other countries (Sky in the UK, for example, uses this order. "Fry and the Slurm Factory" is the final episode of Season 1, as originally intended, and not part of the second season as so happened to be shown by Fox.) All sections of this list are transcluded from the various season articles, so it would make absolutely no logical sense for us to be talking about the production of certain episodes in a completely different article just because Fox so happened to have broadcasted them as part of another "season". If you need to go by that order, then that's what the "Broadcast order" field is for. We are not incorrect. -- Dorsal  Axe  17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You keep saying it says the broadcast order NEXT TO the production order, but it does not. It says the broadcast order on here, for one example, that Season 4 Episode 18 is "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings" but everywhere else says that the episode is actually Season 5 Episode 16. The way you are describing it you have the broadcast AND production order listed, but if the number NEXT TO the production number is the broadcast number, then it is still wrong, so you need to say that Wikipedia's Broadcast AND Production orders are different than all the other sites, not that it is listed in production order but it still has the broadcast order also listed, because while it DOES list 'a' broadcast order, it is not the correct one. I am also going by the Official Futurama site at Comedy Central http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/futurama/videos/index.jhtml you can see the video clips it has for Season 5 and they include the episodes that are listed here as Season 4 episodes. So I am assuming that even though the official site for Futurama says the shows in the list at IMDB, and TVGUIDE as Season 5 shows are actually Season 5 shows they (Futurama's official website) are saying are Season 5 shows, that they are all wrong and you are correct? If your answer is 'Yes' then you are saying you have the correct information, but the OFFICIAL website of the show (along with every other website out there that lists the episodes) are all wrong, but you know more than even the shows creators now? Can you provide even 1 other reference link that shows the episodes match the same as we have listed here? And when I say website I mean one by a reputable source, not some site somebody made in their house from their home PC in their pajamas. A site that is owned or operated by a Fortune 'anything' company? Scott.alan.kline (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, the DVD's are not released as Seasons, they are released as "VOLUMES" The DVD releases are not supposed to be indicative of what Season the show was part of. If we are going to get technical, Wiktionary defines a Television Season as specifically dealing with the BROADCASTING of the show, not the production of the show.(see definition number 5 at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/season ) In no point in the definition do they refer to the production times or dates to have anything at all to do with a "Season". Even without that common sense tells you what a "Season" is, it is when a show is aired/broadcast, not when it is produced. When we are waiting for the next "Season" of a show to come out we aren't looking forward to them producing it, we are looking for when it is broadcast and we watch it. If the production had anything to do with it all fans of Dexter would be happy right now since they are currently "Producing" episodes, but they are not happy since the show does not air the next "Season" till much later. That being said regardless of anything else, we can definitively state that the "Season 5" is the "Group of shows broadcast after Season 4" which would be the ones listed on IMDB, TVGUIDE, and even the official site of Futurama at Comedy Central.

Look on your DVD's they do not say "Season 1" or "Season 2" they say "Volume 1" and "Volume 2" Scott.alan.kline (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * These seasons are divided by how they produced and released on the latest DVD sets. The television order is definitely next to the production codes, first column counts episode over the entire show, second per season, third is the title, fourth the directors, sixth the writers, seventh the original air date, eight the production codes/order and ninth the television order. For the first season the order is the same for all, only the first produced season has four episodes that were broadcasted as the second one, the second season has three episodes from the third broadcast season, and the columns are made sortable because Fox started to, besides airing episodes out of season, also out of order, (ex. "The Lesser of Two Evils" and "Put Your Head on My Shoulder" were aired in the wrong order, same for "A Clone of My Own" and "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back" etc.) Season 5 as no broadcast order column because it is the same as the given order, aka nothing different. All orders are correct, production order is the listed order and can be gathered from the production codes from each episode as well as the order they appear on the DVD's, the broadcast order is the order in which they were originally aired. This has been discussed several times before, on multiple pages.
 * The example you give, "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings", is correct, it's the 18th episode of season 4, but it was broadcasted as the 16th episode of season 5, the table clearly states this. BTW Comedy Central and Fox's order are inconsistent with each-other as well, so far for "official" website
 * It's been some time, but I believe the Comedy Central website uses the production order not Fox's broadcast order/seasons, so you can't use Comedy Central as a source for how Fox aired it back in the day. BTW, IMDb is not an acceptable source, it's user submitted.  X  eworlebi (talk) 19:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Obviously you have no sources to backup what you are saying, just your ideas is all. Its worth noting that you choose to use your definitions when it suits your idea and then not use it when it doesn't. For example, you are choosing to state that Season 5 is all of the made for tv movie-length shows broken into 4 parts because they "Aired them as a season", so in that case a "Season" you are using the definition that it was a "Season" because they aired them all for that "Season". But, in the same definition the others are not "Seasons" because of your definition of a "Season" as being one of the DVD "Volumes" and going so far as to state that the "Season" has nothing to do with the broadcasting "grouping" but only has to do with the production "groupings". With that logic, then the "Season 5" listed here doesn't even count as a "Season" using your own wording, since the "Season 5" that is currently listed on here was not released on DVD as Volume 5, it is not even listed as "Season 5" anywhere but on here, by whoever decided to insert that (Either you or someone else who thinks like you do) The only thing that counts to list it as "Season 5" is the exact same bad-logic you are using to NOT place the rest of the shows (particularly the ones that ARE labeled as S05Exx) so you are flip-floping and going against your own reasoning behind not listing the other shows under the format of "Broadcast Season". So, I understand now:

1) You have no source anywhere you can provide that lists the Seasons in the way they are listed on here.

2) Every other source online that lists them like IMDB and TVGUIDE you are saying are wrong.
 * btw, IMDB is user submitted but unlike Wikipedia the information is VERIFIED by the staff at IMDB prior to posting and TVGUIDE is NOT user submitted, yet their listings all are the same, listing them correctly, the way I have them and the way they were actually released.

3) You have self created logic guiding your reasoning for listing them in the order you do, yet when it comes to "Season 5" you do not even user your own logic, instead you do the EXACT OPPOSITE of those logic rules to fit the feature length shows split up into 16 parts as a "Season" only because they aired during a TV "Season" so you use the opposite logic on those than you do on all the other ones.

4) You believe the Seasons correspond to the "Volumes" released on DVD. There is a reason they called them "Volumes" and not "Seasons" (because they are not seasons, they are volumes)

5) It would be pointless to edit them to display them correctly as you would just militantly change them back to this format.

6) Anyone coming here is going to be confused by the way they are listed.

7) I would like to fix this as I like Futurama but trying to convince you is pointless, and really I just DGAF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott.alan.kline (talk • contribs) 20:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I highly suggest you read the previous discussions before you start accusing everyone of making up stuff.
 * The sources for upcoming episodes are given, for aired episodes you can check the production codes yourself. We (before my time here) chose to go by that order, not the one that Fox used for some inexplicable reason, which has glaring continuity errors and this is the intended order.
 * There is no such thing as an IMDb verification staff, if there is one they should fire them all and hire new people, anyone can put up information there, and it is on occasion wrong, or as in this case they simply use a different format. A format that consensus here has chosen not to follow. And the information on th(i/e)s(e) page(s) has been verified, and you can do the same by checking each and every episode's production codes at the end of the episode. TV Guide is a television guide, no big surprise they have chosen to list by broadcast date, anyway, TV Guide misses season and episode designators on more than half of the episodes listed. Also, IMDb is itself inconsistent, here's a breakdown:
 * Season 1: They go by production season 1 with the last episode being "Fry and the Slurm Factory" (episode 4 of season 2 by broadcast)
 * Season 2: First episode "I Second That Emotion" (by broadcast order this is episode 5 of the second season), then they have episode 1 again without any info, missing all info episode 2, 3 and 4, they skip episode 5 (doesn't exist) and go to episode 6 "Brannigan, Begin Again", follow the broadcast order for the rest of the season, ending with "Anthology of Interest I"
 * Season 3–5: Follow broadcast order.
 * They skip the movies, which where actually broadcasted each as 4 episodes, not as films.
 * Season 6: Same as here.
 * This page as it lists correctly puts the movies (season 5) as a 16 episode season, as they were produced. This again backed up by production codes. No change of reasoning, no conflicting logic.
 * They're production seasons, again seasons, yes the DVD's were named volumes but not really relevant, the reason for it could be anything, maybe it was to differentiate them from previous releases, maybe just because they liked to call them volumes this time. In any case we're going by production.
 * It would, since consensus here has chosen to go by production seasons and order, not by what Fox has concocted to be the order or what has been choses by guys "in their house from their home PC in their pajamas" at IMDb.
 * Not really, I find the table headers to be quite clear. The lead used to contain a(n) (maybe excessive) explanation, not sure what happened to it though.
 * For not caring you do are passionate about it.
 * There used to be an article with the broadcast order, but since we have the extra columns on this page, and that they're sortable it was deleted for being redundant.  X  eworlebi (talk) 22:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, the box sets happen to be labelled "season #" in other regions, despite being identical to the North American "volume" releases. -- Dorsal  Axe  01:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Jeez, give it up already. here "You are right, everyone else on this page except for me agrees with you, the extensive discussion before was completely with like minded individuals who all thought exactly the same as you. The order listed has never been challenged and it is listed because no one has ever listed it in another order only to have a fanboy change it to production order instead of the actual broadcast order. The extensive discussion you refer to is a discussion that people all sat and posted comments all agreeing that the production order was the correct way to list them, no one ever said that broadcast order was the correct way. Only I have been insane enough to want to list them in that order, and all of the other major websites (including Comedy Central, the broadcaster of the series) that list them are as wrong as me, and you and those who think like you are correct (even though no other websites, even non-acceptable source websites have the order listed the same way as you want it to be listed on here, so there is no other site that can verify your listing order). Also, since foreign translations of the sets listed them as Seasons (probably Vietnamese or the like) then the volumes MUST actually mean seasons, even though the studio speaks English and they did not list them as Seasons they listed them as Volumes (so they clearly meant Seasons since they didn't list them as Seasons but the Vietnamese translators decided to call them Seasons instead of Volumes). I agree, you are totally correct, this list isn't confusing to anyone and makes total perfect sense. Everyone on the planet agrees with you and I must make an appointment now to see my therapist to find out why I am thinking such wrong information and for him/her to explain to me why every other site I can find that lists the order lists it different than here but how I am foolish enough to think like those instead of thinking the way you do. I have a feeling I will be in therapy for some time and must refrain from looking into these matters until I am made 'well' by a therapist or by a psychiatrist and appropriate medication. You are right, all praise be to thee."

Hope that settles it, you win. Peace. Scott.alan.kline (talk) 23:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The broadcast order is objectively wrong. When the previous editors list that other regions call the DVDs seasons instead of volumes, they are talking about the UK specifically. There is no translation between the US and UK. In the UK, all episodes were aired in the objectively correct production order. If you don't like facts and the truth, you shouldn't be on wikipedia. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It seems foolish to align yourselves with the production codes as the definition of "season" given that the last two years are (by production code) "season 6" and the next two years (2012 and 2013) are (again, by production code) "season 7". What other television program has multi-year "seasons"? Windsor (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

No, it is foolish to align with the broadcast order. The production order is the order intended by the creators and thus is the objectively correct order. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The production order sorting is a bit absurd in a show like Futurama. Production or intended orders only make sense in arc-driven shows (B5, Battlestar, Firefly, etc.) Futurama--aside from some internal references with near-zero bearing on the plots at hand--is entirely episodic. Moreover, on the DVD/BD releases (where the producers would have more say in their sorting), they're sorted by airing order rather than production. It's fortunate that we can re-sort the tables ourselves, because the few wrong-headed zealots pushing a wrong opinion they've falsely ascribed to all fandom seem to have won the debate here. DigiFluid (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I live in Australia. I own all of the Futurama DVDs. They are in boxsets labelled "Season x" and the episodes are in the production order. The series is, unlike the majority of other animated comedies, quite serial: Most of the last half of the last season (the end of season 4) makes no sense without having seen previous episodes. Even earlier on, there were issues with continuity when the season 3 episodes were broadcast out of production order. The creators/producers/writers of the show explicitly state on the commentaries that they were disappointed the show's continuity was damaged by broadcast, and insisted that the correct, intended broadcast order be used on the home video (That's VHS, DVD and BRD).


 * Show me a DVD or blu-ray of Futurama where the episodes are in broadcast order and I'll show you a cheap bootleg. ~  Swi tch  <font color="#800099">(<font color="#800099">✉ <font color="#800099">✍ <font color="#800099">☺ <font color="#800099">☒ ) 14:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Moreover, on the DVD/BD releases (where the producers would have more say in their sorting), they're sorted by airing order rather than production."
 * This is patently untrue and, in fact, completely impossible as there are more "broadcast seasons" than box sets. To compare Futurama to other shows in this regard seems rather asinine to me, considering Futurama is pretty much the only show that features such a complicated and bizzare numbering situation, and therefore deserves to be an exception to the "rule".
 * A logical sense of continuity is important in Futurama, as in any such media (Fox showed an episode featuring Cubert Farnsworth before the episode where he is released from stasis — this makes no logical sense whatsoever, and the creators do not consider it a correct order for this very reason). The broadcast order varies from country to country, network to network. There is no consistency; where do we draw the line with how we organise the lists? The production order is the only order that is consistent everywhere, and it's really just a bonus that we have the producers on record hailing it as the "intended order". We are not "wrong-headed zealots pushing a wrong opinion", as you so eloquently put it (I would suggest you hold your tongue in future, as this is a borderline attack right here); we're simply using what is most practical.
 * Besides, this list is transcluded from the season articles, which go by "production seasons" as it makes no sense to do it any other way. Again, this is for the sake of practicality. It's absurd to structure that by broadcast season. -- Dorsal  Axe  17:36, 5 September 2011 (UTC)