Talk:List of Game of Thrones characters/Archive 1

The [Season 2] episode count is wonky
Many of these characters have not actually appeared yet. Obviously the episode count is based on the first episode, but a lot of these people didn't appear in the first episode. john k (talk) 12:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe that the episode count is at one for everyone because they have been cast in and appear in the first season, meaning that they appear in at least one episode at some point in the first season.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mikken

 * The blacksmith of Winterfell is mentioned by name in episode three, but he can clearly be seen in episode two honing Needle with Jon. I have no idea who played him and haven't been able to find the info anywhere, but if anyone knows, feel free to throw it out there. I'm thinking of adding him to the list of characters since he has made an appearance, but without an actor to go with it it feels a bit wrong.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I was actually able to hunt this down thanks to an interview that Tommy Dunne did about crafting game of thrones weapons and he thanked his team by name and if you look up Boyd Rankin and Mikken you'll find a couple of threads showing that he was infact the team member who played Mikken, so now we know.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

People of Westeros

 * Characters such as Syrio Forel, Bronn, Shagga, Shae, etc. Could potentially be seen more as people of Westeros, rather than members or retainers of a specific house as they do not hold a set position within that house, but are rather recruited for specific services.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Heward & Wyl
If anyone knows who played them in episode 5 I'd be grateful.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Separate pages for regular characters?
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I would like to suggest the creation of separate pages for regular characters in the HBO series, particularly those played by high profile actors (Ned, Robert, Tyrion, and such). The existence of the HBO series increases the notability of these characters. Most other HBO shows have exclusive pages for the lead characters, I can't see why this one should be any different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.168.126.39 (talk) 11:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously, the main characters already have enough notability to warrant an individuala articles. References should not be hard to find. If anyone feels like starting them, just be bold and go ahead.--RR (talk) 12:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

How do you create individual pages? --IP (talk) 00:02 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.78.157 (talk)

Pyp is a Mummer?
As of now, Pypar is describe thusly:


 * Pypar is a brother of the Night's Watch, informally called "Pyp." A former mummer, he was condemned to the Wall after refusing the sexual advances of his former lord.

I think that for many Americans, at least those living in the northeast, these are mummers:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LiJCTiIqdb4/TR_KURSF3uI/AAAAAAAADYQ/K1irRnnUhlI/s1600/Philadelphia-Mummers-Parade.jpg

Or, as the website where I found this picture describes them:


 * It's grown men, well now women & some children, but it started as grown men, who dress up in garish, flamboyant costumes, then strum some banjo's & 'strut' up Philly's Broadway [in a parade every New Year's Day].        (Note: Philly is Philadelphia, PA)

According to the article Mummers Parade, "an edited two-hour broadcast of the parade" is now nationally televised by WGN-TV (a "superstation"). So, knowledge of these "mummers" may extend to other parts of the country. (Edited down to 2 hours! How long is this parade?) Also per the article,


 * The Mummers Parade traces back to mid-17th century roots, blending elements from Swedish, Finnish, Irish, English, German and other European heritages, as well as African heritage.

I assume what is meant by a "mummer" is someone who acted in costume or with a mask. Some well educated Americans may know this, but I suspect it's a small percentage of the viewing audience. Is the word "actor" a synonym - or even a "pantomimist"? I think mummers aren't perceived as actors so much as revellers, at best something like performers in a Carnival.

Also, the description seems to imply that his lord's advances had something to do with his being (or no longer being) a mummer, If this is so, then that's a nuance about mummers that's new to me. Ileanadu (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Color Running
I'm noticing that Tully, Night's Watch and People of Essos do not depict the color properly on the little bars above the specific character I may change the colors to ensure that a clearer view is depicted.--Jack Cox (talk) 14:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

House Targaryen?
Well they aren't really a House anymore, just two renegade kids in the Dothraki Sea, and they are hogging the colour Red, which is the main Lannister colour. Lann the Clever would spin in his grave if he found out the House he founded were being represented as pink. Change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NecroSheik (talk • contribs) 21:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I changes the Lannisters to a dark red. I agree that the pink was not fitting, but I think the Targaryens still deserve their own representation. J52y (talk) 20:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Links to Spoilers
Just a note that clicking on the names on this page links to a page on the character from A Song of Ice and Fire, which can often provide spoilers to people who've only seen the TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.228.176 (talk) 06:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

this section is actually chock full of spoilers for people watching the show. it would be nice if the tv series pages were written without knowledge of what happens in the books — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.85.135.223 (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

the actors' story
it appears that in some charachters, tyrion and ned, there are paragraphs that appear to be promotional, while in others there isn't.

I want to remove them, since they remove cohesion from the article, are outside the world of the tv show, and sound like PR. any objections? Drorzm (talk) 21:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

the hound?
I know he has not done too much in the series as of yet but I dont see him under house lannister for some reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.67.116 (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The hound is listed as is character name "Sandor Clegane" in the "Main Characters" section. Caidh (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Semi-locked
I'm sorry to announce this page is now semi-locked due to repeated vandal/sock puppet actions. I will continue monitoring the situation and remove this protection as soon as possible. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  23:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Character page links
Hi. I was wondering why there are links on certain character names and not others. Every one of them (with the very odd exception of Margaery Tyrell) links to Characters in A Song of Ice and Fire anyway so it seems strange to have some linked and others not. I think we should remove them all and just have the Characters in A Song of Ice and Fire link up the top or alternatively put links on them all. On a related note why is Margaery the only character with her own page? Shouldn't there either be multiple important characters with there own pages or none of them? And if you were only going to have one, why her and not someone far more important to the series like Eddard or Tyrion? She's not even a POV character in the books. It just strikes me as weird. 101.170.42.162 (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Gendry
Seeing as a user wont follow BRD and do this, I shall do it myself. Dempsy is still only reoccurring and not considered a main character and therefore should not be in the main cast section, but remain in Westeros. The official website itself does not list him as a main character, but just as a reoccurring. Just because he was in the credits does not make him a main character. They named the whores in the brothel during the credits...should they all be main characters? Didn't think so. MisterShiney   ✉    15:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed.  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  16:26, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed - http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/cast-and-crew/index.html should remain more authoritative than single episode credits. Caidh (talk) 16:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should refer to the HBO list. Though one must take into account that some main cast members from previous seasons (e.g. Sean Bean) are no longer listed there.  Sandstein   16:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting point. Perhaps there should be a section for deceased characters? But as far as I am aware that if they were credited as Main then they get to stay...? Anyway, based on this obvious consensus and lack of an input from said editor, I have reverted his changes again. MisterShiney    ✉    20:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No need. In their respective biographies, you can simply indicate they're dead. Should be enough. If we're gonna seperate all living characters from the dead ones, the table of contents on this article will become longer than the Colorado river. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  21:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Well dear friend i reverted it again not because im doing an edit war with you, simple because you're "edit" was pretty mess and to the topic during some point someone is going to put Gendry to the main characters list, Talisa is not a main character in HBO's official website too. But whatever obviusly you guys are not watching the show, cause if you are it would mean that when you see it's raining you won't believed it, untill you hear about it in the news. Have a nice evening Rey Keshe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.5.150.184 (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * But regardless, at this moment in time according to the official website, he is not considered a main character in the series. As for the mess I supposedly made, looking back at it now, I assume you mean the table? Regardless, you should follow WP:BRD and if you see something wrong with the table, then fix it. Do not revert changes against consensus. Especially when two of the people saying that the official sources are ones that reign are admins! Who are well aware of the polices and guidelines.  MisterShiney    ✉    22:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, Rey Keshe has been blocked for 24 hours and so has his IP-sockpuppet 212.5.150.184 for breaking the 3RR and ignoring consensus. I'm hoping this unfortunate action will end the edit wars. If not, I'm afraid the article is going to need some kind of WP:PP. Don't let it get to that, please. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  22:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the swift intervention Amber. Did you also catch the second IP he edited from? On a different note, I took a look and it does appear I did fopar the table a bit, any chance you could take a peek and see where I went wrong? Thank you :) MisterShiney    ✉    22:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * No need to thank me, I'm just doing my job. Furthermore: I'm not banning the second IP right now, since I can't be certain enough it is Ray. Although it appears very likely, the banned IP confessed what his true identity was on this talk page, while the other one has only edited the article page once. I find that as of yet inconclusive proof.  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  22:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okie dokie. I just saw it and thought it was a little too convenient. Did you get a chance to take a look at the table fopar of mine? MisterShiney    ✉    22:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I saw what was going on. There was an extra column in Main cast section that wasn't in the rest of the sections. :) MisterShiney    ✉    23:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to disagree with the current consensus on this one. I believe that the show itself is a better source regarding the show than a website about the show, even if said website is the official one (after all isn't the show official too?). Additionally the part in the original comment about the whores in the brother being named in the credits is not applicable. While it's true several actresses playing whores have appeared in the closing credits, the only whore to appear in the opening credits over the course of the series is Shae and there seems to be no issue with naming her a main cast member. The issue is regarding characters in the opening credits not credits in general. Furthermore the website is hardly explicit in differentiating between main cast and recurring cast. The only heading there simply says "cast". There is a only fine dotted line between only two characters (Catelyn and Aemon) which you are assuming acts as a full division of status and further assuming this division specifically determines main/guest status. Former main cast members appear below the line (Drogo does not appear at all despite several much more minor characters still appearing somewhere) and non main cast such as Brienne and Mance appear above it (who I notice noone has attempted to move into the main cast section yet). By contrast the show very clearly separates main cast and guest cast by placing them in the opening and closing credits respectively and by actually putting the guest cast under the heading "Guest starring". Basically I'm saying why should we take the word of the website over evidence from the actual show itself when the show is the subject of the article. Especially when the website doesn't actually say "these are the main cast and these are the guest cast" and when the show does say that. Gendry and Talisa are main cast and Brienne and Mance are not. There just isn't definitive evidence to say otherwise. (PS I would actually prefer the opposite to be the case, as Brienne is my favourite character and I actually shouted at the TV for the whole Talisa/Jayne debacle). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.170.42.163 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 10 April 2013‎
 * Agree, with the previous post. I can not see any reason why the official webpage (probably made by HBOs prom department, and not the creator of the show( should be treated as a better source than the episode credits themselves. I have not seen any other article on a TV series, where the credits in the episodes are not used to determine who is the main characters and who are recurring. In Game of Thrones the main characters are the one listened in the opening credits at the beginning of the epsiode, while recurring and guest stars are listened at the end. In Season three both Oona Chaplin and Joe Dempsie are in the opening credits at the beginning along whit the other "starring" cast members as opposed to "guest starring", and therefore Gendry and Talisa should be considered main characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:c440:20:a3b:f4cf:cd8f:f2e0:c4e2 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 11 April 2013‎
 * How about because it's the OFFICIAL page! Regardless of who wrote it. Its the Official page. The problem is that at beginning of the episode the credits of main characters for that Episode and may not reflect the series as a while. Therefore my dear IP users, you are incorrect. What is on the Official Website reigns until they say otherwise and the dotted line is a very good indicator as to who is a SUPPORTING character. Because there is such a fine line between who is a guest/reoccurring, on this page there is a distinction of supporting characters over main cast.  MisterShiney    ✉    23:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * How about because it's the OFFICIAL show. Sheesh. 101.170.85.76 (talk) 04:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep it civil, please, guys.  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  06:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. While you will never be able to say anything to convince me that the show is a secondary source for the show, it doesn't actually matter. This is because the website never actually says anything to the effect of - people above the (small, incomplete) dotted line are main stars and people below are guest stars. There are no headings, there is no key. There are only pictures and names. Therefore regardless of what the source is, the information regarding main stars in it is only implied and not stated. Determining star status from that is an assumption only (regardless of how obvious it may seem) and therefore WP:OR. The show by contrast specifically uses the heading "Guest starring" making a very clear and unambiguous distinction between main and guest cast. We only have one source that actually says who fits in each category and therefore we need to use the info from that source and not speculation based on the images on the website. The fact that the website is official is irrelevant if it does not actually state what we are trying to establish. 101.171.255.240 (talk) 00:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually would one of the moderators be willing to actually open the link and look at it, to make a definitive ruling on whether the information MisterShiney has independently inferred from it, counts as original research or not? 101.171.255.240 (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok so let me get this straight....I'm looking at the official website and that is original research. If I were you I would read the policy you quoted and find out what the actual definition of OR is. On and while you are at it, I suggest you read the policy on socking too. Oh and editing the page almost after its protection has been lifted is incredibly bad faith at best. Especially making a revision that the page was originally protected for! MisterShiney    ✉    21:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna make the call 101.171.255.240 requested and say: no, that is not original research. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  22:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * MisterShiney, firstly I did not do the edit on the page (except to put back the word Theon) and was certainly not socking (at least not deliberately). In fact it was only now that I realised my IP was changing (only the ones that start with 101.17 are me. I had not previously noticed that the rest of the numbers were different each time since it started the same). The person who made the edit was someone else. I did however see the edit and while I too thought it was a bit rude, I did not undo it because I believed it to be accurate (and still do). Secondly what I was suggesting about OR was not that the official website was OR but that what you had inferred from it was OR as the website never 'explicitly' stated what you were using it as a source for. Apparently I'm reading the policy wrong. I will accept Amberrock's ruling taht it is not OR, though I do admit to being quite confused by it. I do still believe that the show itself should remain the primary source for all information regarding the show itself though. 101.170.85.58 (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies, it can be very easy to see all IPs as a group of numbers and the same editor. Apologies also for losing my cool and lashing out like that. It wasn't acceptable. I was just severely annoyed that a few hours after the protection was lifted, it was reverted again. Anyway, having very carefully watched the credits (twice) last night, I can see that Gendry is indeed credited in the opening credits. However, the official website has a clear distinction between regular characters and in a different section, as defined by the dotted line, which clearly indicates a different section. We could go around in circles and try and determine what this mean, but then we would need to know and understand the programmes motives in listing him in a separate section on the website and yet crediting him in the opening credits. In the interest of unanimity, I am happy for his listing to stay in the main section, unless someone else appears and provides another equally justified reason for him not to be included in the main list. MisterShiney    ✉    20:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for your apology and your understanding. I can understand how you could come to that conclusion especially since my edits were under slightly different IPs each time too. I also understand your frustration regarding the other editor's disrespectful revert. I too would like to apologise for my uncivil behaviour earlier. Hopefully they manage to be more obviously uniform with these things in future so that there is less room for multiple interpretations and we can avoid discussions like this one. My only theory is that the promotions department who set up the website were not as hard wired into the decisions made by the actual show creators as we would like them to be (though this obviously is pure speculation). I'm glad we have put this behind us and hope we are able to work together in future to maintain the standard of pages regarding a show we are obviously both passionate about. 101.170.170.142 (talk) 06:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
Brienne "I don't serve the Starks, I serve lady Cateyln" She shouldn't be under Starks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.129.99 (talk) 10:56, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Ramsay
I think the Ramsay Snow entry should be removed, especially the link to the article that talks about Iwan Rheon. This is a MAJOR spoiler for non-book readers and the identity of the character has not yet been revealed on the show. He should be identified as "Boy" which is how he has been identified in casting announcements so far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.224.63 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 4 May 2013‎
 * The first reason you give is not a very good one (due to WP:SPOILERS), but the second one actually makes sense. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  19:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why is the fact that it is a spoiler that has not even been revealed on the show yet not a good reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.224.63 (talk) 19:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, a spoiler is not a good reason to have something not listed on Wikipedia (you can read all about it here), but if no credible sources have yet to confirm that Rheon is Ramsay, then the information should indeed not be listed. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  19:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree about spoilers. Spoilers such as Ned's death are fair game. However, the difference between the identity of Ramsay and other spoilers are that it isn't even something from the show. It is something that is from the books and applied to the show. Information from "A Song of Ice and Fire" should not be used on this page, because "A Song of Ice and Fire" and "Game of Thrones" are separate entities which do not necessarily have the same plots. Using Ramsay's name as the identity of this character simply because that is information from the books would be just like say, writing about something that happens in the Red Wedding just because we know it from the books. Something that hasn't even happened in the show yet and is only known because of book information does not fall under this same spoiler policy you linked to. Really, I just want to prevent non-book readers from viewing this page and learning something that has not happened in the show. Also, the article cited states "Given his age and looks, I am willing to bet that he will be playing Ramsay Snow". This is a bad reference to use, as this is simply speculation of the author of that article. There has been no official confirmation of Rheon's character, so his character should be listed as "Boy" as detailed in this article: http://www.accesshollywood.com/game-of-thrones-welsh-actor-iwan-rheon-joins-season-3-cast_article_67773 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.224.63 (talk) 20:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

As has been explained, Wikipedia does not remove content based on them being spoilers. I wasn't aware of him being just referred to as boy, I had rather assumed he was Ramsay Snow. -- MisterShiney    ✉    12:40, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Information, namely deaths
Please do not include more information than is necessary about any character. Only that information which brings clarity to the characters background, or their relationship to others should be included. Information of a characters death should only be included when their death is the only notable part of their appearance on the show (ie. Mycah, Waymer Royce, Will, etc.). This list should not provide an abundance of spoilers, merely a quick and dirty reference to who's who in the world.


 * Agreed, it's pretty frustrating having such massive spoilers on a big banner at the top of each name. This page is for people who are confused about characters and wanting to get a better handle on who is who, not for the ardent fans who already know who lives and dies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.159.176.242 (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

People keep adding the 'Status' column. That prevents the possibility of this page to be used as a reference guide for the viewer who is catching up, since it spoils future events of the show. The information is still there, usually at the end of each character's description, which avoids involuntary spoiling a plot point to the viewer. Not everyone is up to date with the show, and it costs nothing to be a little bit more considerate. Aditionally, the column keeps getting restored without giving a reason at all. I have given my reasons to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.134.14.18 (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:SPOILER, Wikipedia does not hide nor remove spoilers. If people don't want to know what happens then they shouldnt come here. Besides, your point is mute "That prevents the possibility of this page to be used as a reference guide for the viewer who is catching up, since it spoils future events of the show." You are basically saying they come here to find out what happens/has happened anyway. -- MisterShiney    ✉    21:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * That doesn't really answer the question of why "Status" needs to be displayed so prominently in articles such as these. The issue isn't that spoilers are there, it's that it's right on the header and is difficult to avoid. You could find out the status of the character by reading the whole bio. 50.152.221.214 (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that people could possibly come just to check a name of a character or an actor, since the cast is so large. I'm not saying that the information of a character's death shouldn't be displayed, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be displayed so prominently. It takes little effort and it avoids accidental spoilers. Wikipedia may not hide nor remove spoilers, but it doesn't have to blatantly put them in the header. The information is still in the character bio. If users want to find out a character's status, they can read the bio until the end. That way, the article informs and also allows users to decides how much they want to know. You obviously are up to date with the show. But what if you weren't? What if you were to enter the article and find out about a character's death? You'll probably tell me "I know better than to enter an article with potential spoilers", but not everyone is as prepared. And Wikipedia is a website for everyone, not just you. --186.134.46.79 (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I came here because I was confused by all the characters and wanted to know who is who. Since I just started with season 3, I didn't know Robb Stark and others are dead. Instead of finding it out by watching, I saw it here, not hidden and without a warning. I think the best idea is to remove the status from the banner to the bio. And if certain people don't want it that way, at least add spoiler warnings. Laristyna (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Pictures
Just a quick question? Why do all the profiles have pictures of the actors rather than pictures of the actors in costume as the characters? Many of the actors look almost nothing like their characters when out of costume and since this is an article about the characters, wouldn't it make sense to have a picture of say "Ned Stark" rather than a picture of "Sean Bean." Emperor001 (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Images must follow the Image use policy. Any image of an actor in character/costume is likely to be copyrighted and unable to be used.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(talk)  13:24, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, anyone know of where some images for free use might be? I know the GoT and Ice and Fire Wikis typically have pics of the characters.  Emperor001 (talk) 20:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciations
There are a few problems with the pronunciations, aside from the fact that the HBO source is written as a schwaless form of respelling and we've turned it into IPA (that's our house style, after all): IPA may look more "professional", but how do people feel about reverting to HBO's own house respellings to avoid the need some people apparently feel to "correct" them with Sean Bean or Richard Madden's accents? — Llywelyn II   23:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The pronunciation of Arya's name is simply wrong: the canonical pronunciation on that list is ARE-yuh (i.e., 'ɑɹjə). For what it's worth, that's also 's pronunciation, as well. Kindly revert any attempts to restore it as the popular but incorrect AR-ee-uh (i.e., 'ɑɹɪə).
 * Hodor is (inexplicably) wrong: it's given as HO-dor (ɔɹ), not HOD-er (əɹ).
 * Similarly, Dænerys and Viserys's surname is simply wrong: the canonical pronunciation on that list is Tar-GAIR-ee-in (i.e., tɑɹ'gɛəɹiɪn or tɑɹ'gɛəɹiən) and pointedly not tɑɹˈɡɛərɪən with a short I or -een diphthong.
 * Qotho isn't accurate. They did end up reading most -q- names in Essos as hard Ks but the guide we're using lists its QUO-tho: 'kwoʊθoʊ; RP might shade that to 'kʷəʊθəʊ but not 'qɔθo. Until we find another reliable source, we can include it as is or omit it, but we can't just change it to something entirely different.
 * Unless the Dothraki are Scottish, Drogo's name is DRO-go ('dɹoʊɡoʊ), not IPA /dɾoɡo/. (Granted that HBO's KHAL can be taken as /xæl/ even though it was probably intended as something closer to /kʰæl/.)
 * Theon's name is given as THEE-on (i.e., θiːɒn) and not as THEE-un (ˈθiːən). The page tries to excuse that by saying it was "transcribed... according to Received Pronunciation rules" but RP also employs -ɒ for "o". Turning it into a schwa is simply an exercise in . Ditto Rickon. Ditto Janos. Ditto Jeor.
 * Ditto the change of Jorah and Jeor's surname from MORE-mont (i.e., 'mɔrmɒnt) into something like MORE-munt (i.e., mɔrmənt).
 * Meanwhile, Baratheon is written as Buh-RATH-ee-un (i.e., bə'ɹæθiən) but we've somehow inverted that and are using Theon's -on (-ɒn) instead.
 * Illyrio and Syrio are a little trickier. It's true that RP can shade long I into a short one; it's still to claim that's what HBO did. They clearly provide il-LEAR-ee-o and SEER-ee-o rather than the ih-LEER-ih-o and SEER-ih-o provided here. Tyrion is never even shaded: it's always with a long I (-ee-) by everyone involved, including our source material.
 * Barristan is given as BAIR-iss-tin. I'm not changing it now since it's close enough to go either way, but it's probably closer to ˈbæɹɪstɨn than ˈbæɹɪstən.
 * Lysa isn't wrong, but her name was formatted weirdly: She's not Spanish, so she's either Lysa Tully (per Wiki) or Lysa Arryn (per HBO). At most you could say Lysa Tully Arryn, but Lysa Arryn Tully reverses the order of which house she came from and which she entered through marriage.
 * Is there a good reason Tywin's surname is transcribed differently from his children's?
 * I don't want to blank content, but Melisandre's name is not on that list. Do we have another source for her using /-dɹeɪ/ as if it were written é, instead of /-dɹə/? or is this just "I think that's what Stannis sounds like he's saying" ?
 * Minor point, but according to this page, our house style is to transcribe English's Rs as /r/ even though 'pure' IPA uses the character /ɹ/ unless it's rolled on the tongue.

New section
Please someone help me to finish the new Beasts section. I'm new to this kind of editing and my english is not very good. I thought that there must be a beast section since the dragons and the direwolf are important in the show. I didn't add them to House Targaryen and House Stark because they're just SGI and not potrayed by actor. If there is anyone interested, please help. User talk:Rey Keshe — Preceding undated comment added 12:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)