Talk:List of Georgians

Name of article
There is no Republic of Georgia, the official name of Georgia (country) is Georgia. Maybe a more appropriate name is "List of people of Georgia (country)". Andres 02:43, 28 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Just place it at List of Georgians. "people from Georgia" is unnecessarily wordy. If the state article exists, then we'll disambiguate at the top with a link to List of Georgians (USA) or something like that. --Jia ng  01:26, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * "List of people from the Republic of Georgia" does not work, since the list should include people who lived before the Republic was created. --Jia ng 01:28, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Move war
Page protected due to move war. Who agree with my proposal? --Jia ng 01:27, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * No objections - done --Jia ng 03:25, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Georgia vs Georgia
What are you going to call the article about people from the US state? RickK 03:59, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * It has an article already. It should stay there. The disambiguation on top is enough. --Jia ng 04:00, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Beria keeps being removed
Someone keeps removing Beria from the list. He may not be the sort of Georgian to be proud of, but he is still a famous Georgian. Please discuss why you want him to be removed - or I will just keep re-adding him. Secretlondon 14:44, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh boy, incipient edit war. Beria is clearly a Georgian.  Either explain yourself, or quit removing him. john 04:08, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Noted by Wik under Levzur's entry on the problem users page. And if you think this is silly, you should see Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Apparently Levzur is going to "take steps against you and the administration of "Wikipedia" for cast aspersions on first President of Georgia and the insult of his memory!" if the article isn't turned into a hagiography. Bring it on, I say. ;-) -- ChrisO (aka the "Misinformator") 10:17, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * It's been 'noted' but as of 2010 he is still absent, despite this page being linked to in the Beria article. This is meant to be a non-judgemental list of Georgians. Perhaps there are followers here of the Great Soviet Encyclopaedia, whose subscribers were instructed to cut out the Beria article after his arrest. PhoebusUK (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Mythical figures?
Should we include (presumably mythical) figures such as Medea and Aeetes of Colchis? -- ChrisO 10:55, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

To user "RickK"
Dear friend,

I am Georgian historian. Name of the first Republic of Georgia is "Democratic Republic of Georgia" (DRG), not "Georgian Democratic Republic". Stalin's surname was Jugashvili (not Djugashvili). Djugashvili is russian form. Please make necessary corrections in the list of Georgians.

With best regards,

Dr. Levan Z. Urushadze (user "Levzur")


 * For the record, I should add that Djugashvili is the most commonly used form of Stalin's Georgian name and is the form that his own official biographers used in works such as the Great Soviet Encyclopedia. His middle name is also invariably given as the Russian form, Vissarionovich. He may have been Georgian by birth but he was thoroughly Russified - his children were called Svetlana, Vasily and Yakov, which is hardly Georgian. In the circumstances, I think Djugashvili is the most appropriate form to use (and Stalin is hardly the most appropriate subject for anti-Russian nationalism in any case). -- ChrisO 23:29, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

To Maveric149
Dear "Maveric 149",

Please add to the List of Georgians following persons:

Farnavaz of Iberia (3rd century BC) King Peter the Iberian (411-491 AD) Philosopher Tamar of Georgia (1160-1213) Queen Alexander Kartveli (1896-1974) Aircraft engineer George Balanchine (1904-1983) Choreographer Ilia II (1932- ) Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia

Thank you in advance

Dr. Levan Z. Urushadze (User Levzur)

Jan 27, 2004


 * Please correct the factual mistake: Saakashvili is president since January 25. Andres 17:52, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Dear Andres, President Saakashvili was elected on January 4. On January 25 he was inaugurated. Levzur 29 Jan 2004


 * Yes. In the article it should be written "president" instead of "president-elect". Could anyone unprotect the article? Andres 07:42, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I shall do so, but it will be protected again if Levzur starts censoring the list again. Morwen 07:47, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

Time for A-Z order?
This list is getting pretty long. Should it be rendered in A-Z order? Date order isn't particularly useful when looking for a specific individual. -- ChrisO 12:15, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree. Morwen 12:36, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * I second. Mikkalai 23:53, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * I third. Ellsworth 14:50, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

definition of Georgian
Should it be noted in the article that this list includes Georgians born abroad (like Gen. Shalikashvili) as well as persons born in Georgia who are of other ethnicity as well (like Rouben Mamoulian)?


 * By that token, one could include figures such as Madeleine Albright in a "List of Czechs" and British Tory leader Michael Howard in a "List of Romanians". I would stick to people born in Georgia, to avoid confusion / excessive scope. -- ChrisO 23:44, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Um, ok as a rule, but I think consensus is universal that Shalikashvili should be considered a Georgian, since his parents were living in Poland as DP's when he was born there. You're not suggesting to take him off, right? Ellsworth 22:02, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Was he ever a Georgian citizen, though? Should we confine it to people of Georgian nationality or the wider group of those of Georgian ethnicity, which would presumably include the Georgian diaspora as well? -- ChrisO 22:22, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I would say, B. I mean, we don't have to worry about the list getting out of control, because it's not a particularly large group, all in all, is it? The population of Georgia today is about twice metro Atlanta's. Also, during the period of the Russian empire, was there even such a thing as Georgia nationality? So I say ethnicity would be the lodestar, but also include those born there. Ellsworth 23:51, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Combine the list of CULTURE OF GEORGIA with this list
You may have not noticed but there are two lists of Georgians, and they should be combined in here.


 * Does GÜRCÜ/GURJI fit in the definition of Georgian? If so, my favorite historical Georgian is Gurcu Nazim Pasha. I feel a lot of names missing and investigative opportunity may be gained only if one could look as far back into Mamelukes (1 of the 3 etnicities of their make is Georgian). Their inclusion will mean encyclopaedic completeness for Wikipedia.69.115.17.83 (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)