Talk:List of German expressions in English/Archive 2

Category listified
According to Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 25, it seems that, i.a., the Category:German loanwords is about to be listified. Here is the list of members of that category as of now: -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ablaut
 * Abseiling
 * Alphorn
 * Angst
 * Ansatz
 * Anschluss
 * Aufheben
 * Autobahn
 * Automat
 * Bergfried
 * Bergschrund
 * Blitzkrieg
 * Bockwurst
 * Bratwurst
 * Bremsstrahlung
 * Budweiser
 * Bundeshaus (Bonn)
 * Bundestag
 * Bundeswehr
 * Burgfrieden
 * Carabiner
 * Cut-off
 * Dachshund
 * Delicatessen
 * Diesel fuel
 * Dirndl
 * Doppelgänger
 * Earworm
 * Eigenvalues and eigenvectors
 * Einkorn wheat
 * Eisbein
 * Ersatz
 * Ester
 * Fanjunkare
 * Feldsher
 * Feldspar
 * Firn
 * Foehn wind
 * Freedom of panorama
 * Führer
 * Gemütlichkeit
 * Gesamtkunstwerk
 * Gestalt
 * Gestapo
 * Glitch
 * Glockenspiel
 * Graben
 * Half-graben
 * Halt
 * Hamburger (disambiguation)
 * Hamster
 * Heimkehrer
 * Hilbert's Nullstellensatz
 * Hinterland
 * Hofbrau
 * Jugendstil
 * Kaiser
 * Karinthy
 * Kindergarten
 * Kirsch
 * Kitsch
 * Kohlrabi
 * Kommissbrot
 * Kraut
 * Kriegsmarine
 * Kulturkreis
 * Lager
 * Landflucht
 * Lebensraum
 * Lebkuchen
 * Lederhosen
 * Leitmotif
 * Leitmotiv
 * Lied
 * Loess
 * Luftwaffe
 * Lumpenproletariat
 * Mangelwurzel
 * Meerschaum
 * Mensch
 * Minnesang
 * Muesli
 * Nickel
 * Ostflucht
 * Panzer
 * Perserschutt
 * Pilsner
 * Pinscher
 * Politburo
 * Poltergeist
 * Pretzel
 * Pumpernickel
 * Quartz
 * Realpolitik
 * Reich
 * Reichsmarine
 * Riesling
 * Rinderpest
 * Rissverklebung
 * Rollmops
 * Rottweiler (disambiguation)
 * Rucksack
 * Sauerkraut
 * Schadenfreude
 * Schmaltz
 * Schnapps
 * Schnauzer
 * Schnitzel
 * Schottische
 * Schranz
 * Schweinshaxe
 * Singspiel
 * Spitz
 * Sprachraum
 * Spritzer
 * Stengle's Positivstellensatz
 * Stollen
 * Strudel
 * Sturm und Drang
 * Thaler
 * Thalweg
 * Trauermusik
 * U-boat
 * Über
 * Umlaut
 * Ursatz
 * Urtext
 * Urtext edition
 * Vaginismus
 * Volksmarching
 * Vorlage
 * Waldsterben
 * Wanderlust
 * Wehrmacht
 * Wunderkind
 * Zeitgeist
 * Zeppelin
 * Zugzwang
 * Zwischenzug

Müesli?
Müesli isn't a way to write Müsli in German. An E is never used after an Ü and if it wouldn't be pronounced ü as in the word Müsli but as ü-e which doesn't occur in the German language. --212.204.48.221 (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's the Swiss spelling (see Duden online). --Six words (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct. In Swiss German, ü-e does indeed exist. The original Swiss German word contains this diphthong, and the standard way to spell it in Swiss German (and Alemannic dialects in general) is üe. Germans, (usually) unable to pronounce this diphthong and even unaware of it, or at least its significance, pronounce the word with a long ü (and consequently spell it only as Müsli) – a source of amusement for German-speaking Swiss, as in Swiss German, Müsli with a long ü is a completely different word and refers to a little mouse! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Quotations
Why are the most of them with religious background? Religion is quite unimportant for most Germans today.--31.17.153.69 (talk) 06:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your premise is wrong: Most of them do not have a religious background at all. Apart from that, the decline of religion in Germany is a quite recent phenomenon, historically speaking, just like everywhere else. (Not to mention that German is also spoken in other countries, such as Austria, where religion may be more important.) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

German and Yiddish (and Dutch)
when words are the same in Yiddish and German - how can it be said it entered the English language from either one or the other? same thing with Dutch 149.172.96.95 (talk) 08:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think that a general rule, or rules, can be formulated here. You need to examine every individual case on its own. Usually arguments for and against German, Yiddish or Dutch origin will involve historical and other non-linguistic circumstances, I'd say. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, such a thing as (English) schmal(t)z, which in German is Gänseschmalz, definitely came through Yiddish. If a German says Schmalz, he simply means lard (from pigs).--2001:A61:260D:6E01:D597:4914:38AB:7D78 (talk) 20:08, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Where should it go?
As is apparent from my edits, I keep encountering German words in English texts. It is fascinating. I've been wondering about Steppenwolf. It is both the title of a novel by Hermann Hesse, and the name of a famous American hard rock band. However, since we have neither sections for book titles nor bands from non-German-speaking countries, I can't decide where to stick it. Any ideas?

Also, I've long wondered how to handle very culture-specific subjects such as Bundesverdienstkreuz. Should those be included, too? This could lengthen the list considerably ... --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Terms such as this one are not frequently used in English and so need not be in the entry. But Steppenwolf should by all means be included here! There's a section called "meaning of German band names" -- surely this could include German names of American bands as well, don't you think? Mabuse (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * How about Schwurhand? The term seems to be used in academia, but it is a gesture peculiar to the north of Europe. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a section "Heraldry", which seems the term's main use, if the article is correct. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, thank you! Great! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Kike
Suggestion is to place "kike" in Society and Culture next to Kraut or in the Philosophy and History section by Nazi. All three are verifiable derogatory slurs placed without POV. History is Jews have been persecuted. This time it was over marks on paperwork. During turn of the century immigration processing, confusion arose when officials said they must "cross" paperwork using a symbol "x." The Jew refused and marked with a circle, or Kreis in German (sounds like kike). Story attributed to Jew Philip Cowen, first editor of "The American Hebrew". Do not come at this suggestion with talk of yiddish. Circle is Kreis in German as "God Bless You" is Gazuntite in Englisch. Talk Page Guidelines link Removing prohibited material and Removing harmful posts should be reviewed before running a blitz against offensive terms that are only verboten within the current Zeitgeist. -Boxofmatches — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boxofmatches (talk) 02:25, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC) Boxofmatches (talk) 21:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Antifa
"Although there is no organizational connection, the lineage of antifa in America can be traced to Weimar Germany,[17] where the first group described as "antifa" was Antifaschistische Aktion, formed in 1932 with the involvement of the Communist Party of Germany.[18] Antifaschistische Aktion's two-flag logo, as well as the three arrow anti-fascist circle used by the Social Democrats led Iron Front (which was formed in 1931 by Social Democrats), are the most commonly used symbols of contemporary U.S. antifa activists.[19]" Taken from Wikipedia Antifa. I will add this German Expression in English, but also felt a need to make a talk page. -Boxofmatches — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boxofmatches (talk) 02:35, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC) Boxofmatches (talk) 21:36, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please sign your contributions on talk pages with  (4 tildes); see Help:Talk pages and WP:SIGN. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

"Capitalist pig-dog" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Capitalist pig-dog. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 9 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Bacon 01:53, 9 October 2020 (UTC)