Talk:List of Glee episodes

Are EP Pages Necessary?
Can't most of the info on the episode pages be included on the season page (credits, songs used, etc.)? An entire page dedicated to one episode of a series is really unneccessary. Any thoughts about merging the titles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4c3nt3n0 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If they were just plot recaps and nothing more I would agree. As it is, one of the episode articles is already a good article. The pages include a lot of reception information, and with the addition of more production information, there is potential for several more, if not all of them, to reach that point. For the episodes that have yet to air, I think the current articles ("Wheels", "Ballads" and "Hairography") are completely unnecessary and would be better left as redirects until there's something of substance that can be written beyond a one sentence plot summary - but editors jumping the gun a bit isn't that terrible in the grand scheme of things. Frickative  17:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

you got the season number wrong!
the season numbers are wrong, they are the same number as the episode how can it be that every episode makes up a season? episode 1 is season 1, episode 2 is season 2, episode 3 is season 3 and so on can someone please fix this cos i don't know how to and think i will just mess it up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.62.244 (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe the wording could be more clear, but the idea is correct. "Season #" means the episode number for that season, while "Series #" refers to the episode number for the entire series, regardless of which season it is.  So, since there are 22 episodes in season 1, episode one of season two would read "23" in the series box, but restart at "1" for the season box.  This will probably make more sense to you in the fall, but then again, it could still be worded better.  Many a page simply uses a "#" for both spaces.  On the other hand, they're doing it exactly the same way as this on the "Lost" page, without complaint.  KnownAlias  (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * C T J F 8 3 chat 01:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why so many editors (mostly IPs) change "Season #" to Episode #". I don't believe it's very difficult to understand. Yves (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've wondered sometimes, based on a few of my own experiences, how many of the IPs doing this are European, given that U.K. seasons are called series. KnownAlias   contact  12:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Regionals (Episode 22) Source Question
Is this a good enough source to start up the "Regionals" page? It quotes Ryan Murphy talking about Sue's appearance as a sectionals judge, so I think it should be a sufficient start. CycloneGU (talk) 18:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks ok to me.  C T J F 8 3  chat 18:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's entirely clear whether they're using "Regionals" to mean the episode's title, or just to refer to the event itself - in the original article they say: "As you know, the season-ender — airing June 8 — sets the stage for the Regionals showdown between New Directions and Vocal Adrenaline." - so it could be the title, but equally it could just be a proper noun. If there's useful information out about an episode before its title is officially announced, I usually start the article off in my sandbox and just begin it: '"TBA" is the Xth episode of the American television series Glee', then carry on from there. Frickative  19:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The most comprehensive info I've seen myself on the title is from a fansite blog reporter. She actually got to attend the taping of the regionals performances as an audience member, and says in her article the episode is titled "Journey"-see | Shelly’s Report of the “Journey” Season Finale Taping. It's the closest thing to a definitive source thus far.  In fact, despite being a fansite, I have thought her actually attending the taping makes this a first hand account that verifies the information.  Thoughts?  KnownAlias   contact  19:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been expecting third party sources to pick up on the Gleefan report for a while, but nothing seems to have come up yet. As a self-published source, I've reverted its addition to Glee (season 1) a couple of times, because I don't think it quite meets WP:SPS:


 * "Self-published material may in some circumstances be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications"


 * I'm willing to accept that Shelly is an "established expert" on Glee, writing for one of the biggest fansites and being invited to attend the filming of the finale, but as far as I'm aware, material from gleefan.com hasn't previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Frickative  19:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Conceded. That's why I'm not the one you reverted.  Still, "Journey" is in quotation marks, while "Regionals" is not.  I agree with you, Frickative; it's not clear if it's a reference to the event in the episode, or the episode itself.  We should keep waiting for a more reliable source for the title itself.  KnownAlias   contact  19:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I always thought it would just be "Regionals" as the other is called "Sectionals" from December. At the same time, something I found interesting is that the title of the EP (which I just found today in Music of Glee) is "Road to Regionals".  The other EP was "The Power of Madonna", and that episode was, coincidentally, "The Power of Madonna".  One could also claim "Road to Regionals" is the title of the finale as well.  I also am eager for a better source of the title, though FOX should put up the June listings eventually and it's official then.


 * Also, based on this program, I think we can list some tracks for "Road to Regionals" on the music page now. What do you think Frickative?  So far I'd only be comfortable listing these four, but "Faithfully" and others could still make it on.  CycloneGU (talk) 21:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I do wish Fox would put their listings up sooner, especially now Gleek Report are reporting that "Funk" and "Theatricality" have been switched in the schedules. With the EP, it's possible that they've based it on the DVD title, "Road to Sectionals". Hopefully we'll know sooner rather than later! As for the songs, per my rationale on self-published sources above, I don't think we can use the info from the programme until it's covered somewhere that's not a fansite. We do have the Journey medley and "Bohemian Rhapsody" on the songs list, though, because they were both mentioned in a Billboard article last month. Frickative  21:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * My answer to that: "Give Up The Funk" comes on the album before both "Poker Face" and "Bad Romance". Thus, I think Funk has to come before Theatricality.  Further, if that's not enough, did we forget this direct from FOX's release?  I'm editing the articles as necessary.  CycloneGU (talk) 04:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Okie, addendum. I saw the other reference.  Are there other confirmations elsewhere?  If only one is saying it, I wouldn't go with it yet.  Changing the two episodes around could cause a blip in the storyline, especially since Sue heads to Florida at the end of the episode immediately before the finale, where she returns as a guest judge (sorry to spoil folks).  Unless she doesn't appear AT ALL in "Funk", those episodes cannot be switched around.  CycloneGU (talk) 04:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The switch in order is sourced to Fox directly, in a scheduling change that was released yesterday, so I've reverted your changes. I assume they know what they're doing with their own scheduling better than we do. Frickative  04:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was just reading the dates and such as well. I'm still surprised.  It will be interesting to see where Sue vanishes to Florida and if she really is absent from "Funk"; maybe she didn't make an appearance there and they decided to switch them around for this reason?  CycloneGU (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have a feeling "Funk" is probably a weaker episode, so they want to put Gaga out first to catch the tail end of sweeps. Pure speculation of course, so hopefully the mass media will pick up on the switch and ask the producers why. Would be helpful for the "Funk" article, which is struggling for references atm. Frickative  04:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[Outdent] FTR, I've started drafting an article for the finale episode in my sandbox, so if anyone comes across any useful information, please feel free to add it. Frickative 12:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Superfluous and outdated synopsis
The second paragraph of the lead section is, as my subject says, superfluous and outdated since it concerns only the first season. I would rather have it removed than updated, seeing as how it's not really pertinent to this page. I know other such "List of episodes" articles sometimes provide a mini-summary to orient readers, but I believe it detracts from the main objective (or purpose) of this article. Or, if most people prefer to keep it, then the whole thing should be expanded to include season 2 as the show progresses. After all, a mini-summary of sorts is not found on the already quite loaded main article, nor is a "Plot" section. So, what do you think? Should the synopsis 1. be moved to the main article and expanded, 2. be kept here and expanded, or 3. be dumped altogether? &bull; H☼&omega;d&Theta;esI&dagger;fl&notin;&isin;   {KLAT}  &bull; 03:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it's still true. Everything in that paragraph is still accurate to date: the location and name of school haven't changed, Schue has still taken over glee club, and is still trying to restore it to former glory (i.e. 1993), the teenagers are still rag-tag misfits, his feelings for Emma are still developing as the series progresses, and Sue is still the glee club's primary antagonist (though we haven't seen that much of her lately). The only thing that's not true is the wife part, but that could be very easily changed to "ex-wife". Yves (talk) 03:50, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

New York Post as source?
Is the New York Post considered a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.184.211 (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes...unless it is an opinion section, or a non-professional blog. C T J F 8 3  21:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Err...is it all tabloid? We better wait for other opinions. C T J F 8 3  21:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Why Can't I edit season 2 episodes?
I can't edit the season 2 episodes for some reason, but the airdate for Born This Way is wrong. I looked at the source listed and nowhere in the article does it mention an airdate for the episode. If it's not sourced, then it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. DianeKurohyou (talk) 02:48, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's called "transclusion". The details for season 2 are actually on their own page, that you can get to if you click the link at the top of the season 2 section.  I've already addressed the issue you had for the missing date citation and added a source that identifies the date of episode 18, though only by number, not by title; but since the title article does identify "Born This Way" as the 18th episode, the two sources in tandem should suffice, at least for now.   KnownAlias   contact  13:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Season 3
"It was thought Ryan Murphy was planning to start graduating the characters at the end of season 3 and bring in new characters[59] but Jenna Ushkowitz, who plays Tina Cohen-Chang, later clarified this as a misunderstanding.[60]"

From the first moment i heard this, even before it was revealed to be a misunderstanding, i inferred that the main characters were going to graduate but they would in no means be less important to the plot, but just that instead of mainly high school and teacher storylines, there would now also be university/college storylines etc., probably becoming intertwined romantically etc with the teacher storylines. But that's original research isn't it... ...--Coin945 (talk) 15:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, no one has any idea what is going to happen in future seasons. C T J F 8 3  20:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Is "Pilot" part of season 1 or not?
A recent change to the top table has changed the start of season 1 to the date of "Showmance" on September 9, 2010, rather than the date of "Pilot". Is this really correct?

If it is, then other things need to change: all the tables that include "Pilot" in the list of season 1 episodes—do we set up a separate table for the pilot?—and so on.

The Glee internal numbering counts "Pilot" as episode 1 in a 22 episode season. I think we should go with that, and return the start date to May 19, 2010; what does everyone else think? —BlueMoonset (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a single first (possible test) edit by a newbie, doing what newbies do. Reverted, and moving on.   KnownAlias    contact   17:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'm newbie enough that I wanted to check. —BlueMoonset (talk) 17:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Rumor or rumour?
This is an American show, why is the episode "Rumors" spelled the British way? Shouldn't it be spelled the American way? 67.82.184.211 (talk)
 * No; it's spelled the same way as the album. Yves (talk) 23:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I see now. OK, my bad. I just saw the British spelling and was confused, never even connected it to the Fleetwood Mac album. 67.82.184.211 (talk) 23:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Season 4
At the present time, although there has been a great deal of talk about Season 4, including from the Fox entertainment president, the fact remains that Fox has yet to officially announce that Glee has been renewed for a fourth season.

As such, it is not yet appropriate to include it in the season tables on this page (nor to start an article on it), given WP:CRYSTAL: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and even if we think something is extremely likely and the next best thing to certain, until there's that official announcement, my reading is that we shouldn't list it yet.

In the section about the season four plans, the wording has to be very careful: to say that the actors have "confirmed" that "there would be a season 4" ignores the fact that they only know what they've been told—they aren't the people who make the decisions. They can confirm that they're happy to be in a fourth season, but it's Fox who has the say: Kevin Reilly is a source for this situation, and Ryan Murphy is good for what's being planned.

Thoughts on how to proceed until the formal renewal is announced? BlueMoonset (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, without confirmation from Fox or Ryan Murphy, it's speculation. There's been talk from the actors before that has since been clarified or recanted (who was leaving at the end of season 3, that there might be a spin-off...) It's better off to delete it, and then re-add it when it is confirmed that it has been renewed for another season.67.82.184.211 (talk) 08:17, 19 January 2012 (UTC) ShadowHunterKurohyou


 * Glee was officially renewed for a fourth season. The TVLine story quotes Kevin Reilly of Fox as saying (straight from the Fox press release), "I’m really happy to bring them back to our air next season.” That's as definitive as you get for fall plans.


 * Next season is the 2012–2013 season. There's currently a tug-of-war over adding "2012–2013" as part of the "Season 4" header. Last year in early April, we had a "Season 3: 2011–2012" header: the show was renewed at that point.


 * At this point, I think a date is justified. The question is whether to say "2012", because the show might be cancelled in midstream, or "2012–2013", because that's the season the show has been officially renewed for. My view is that we should use "2012–2013": we've used the full season dates thus far in this article, and in tables and such in the various Glee articles. Besides, 2012 is misleading, implying that the show is only going to run in 2012, and that would just confuse people. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There was no premiere date announced yet, so we shouldn't expect a premiere date such Fall 2012. It's unsourced and specualtive. I say we wait for an official premiere date, what will announced in Mid June. -- Serienfan2010 (talk) 10:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not in the TV Line source, perhaps, but the headline of the official Fox Press release, which I've just found, says it all: “NEW GIRL,” “RAISING HOPE” AND “GLEE” TO CONTINUE LAUGHS IN 2012-13 SEASON ON FOX. (Note: caps theirs.) I'll add the Fox cite, which is definitive. If they meant mid-season (i.e., 2013), they would have said it. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * They even not known when the series will return. It is easy to say: "It will return in the 2012–13 Season", but a start date in the fall is thus not sure yet. -- Serienfan2010 (talk) 12:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course they know when the series will return. Fox has to plan ahead so the shows can begin production in time. Reilly also says, “All three of these comedies add a fresh and distinctive flavor to our Tuesday nights, and I’m really happy to bring them back to our air next season.” So he's bringing them back for Tuesday nights. If they weren't coming back in the fall, as they always have done, that would be news. As it is, Glee Season 4 is appearing during the 2012-2013 television season according to the president of the Fox network. We may not know the premiere date, but we do know which season, and that's sufficient for it to be included in the season header. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * To the user who said that 'Glee could be cancelled midstream'. Why would the show which would be entering it's fourth season, suddenly be cancelled mid-way through a season. I see at least 2 more years in this show. Obviously we know now that season 4 will be premiering in the Fall, Thursdays at 9pm. Premiere dates aren't revealed until Mid-June to Early July anyway.--SNTMcentral (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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