Talk:List of Golden Sun characters

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This section is a little cluttered... and I can tell why: The title row to each character has too many names in it. What I think should be done is to have only the English name in these rows in big black font, then put everyone's japanese, french, spanish, and german in normal-sized boldface text underneath before the description. What do you think? Erik the Appreciator 04:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've helped with the names. :) Kyarorain 12:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Great! Now you might want to check out my personal sandbox, where I have posted a copy of this page and will expand/rewrite it there the coming days. Like I try to say to everyone else, all comments/input appreciated. Erik the Appreciator 18:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Lunpa
Is there any reason why he is mentioned twice in the final section of minor characters? Once at the end (starting Lunpa) and once a few paragraphs before (starting "The Righteous Thief Lunpa") Black Sharingan 09:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Felix
What about the fact that Felix's cape changes from green in Golden Sun to Blue in GS:The Lost Age?4.156.159.55 23:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, actually, that doesn't count because there are several details in the game that don't match the characters official portraits. Like Sheba, who is green-eyed everywhere but the game. Likewise, though Felix's cape color may change a bit in the game, it doesn't change at all in the official drawn portraits, even though Felix has two portraits, one for each game. Erik the Appreciator 20:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Fan fiction?
All this info about the characters in fan fiction seems odd to put in an encyclopedia page. I think that the information presented by the developers about the characters is important; what fans do with them in fiction is not. Thoughts? --Crazysunshine 07:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good thought. That info does deserve the boot. What the page really needs are some images like what you see in List of Final Fantasy Tactics characters, because actually I was using that fanfic info as a bit of a placeholder system for future images. Erik the Appreciator 18:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Kraden's Japanese name
Could Kraden's Japanese name (Sclater) be a reference to Philip Sclater? I kind of doubt that this is a coincidence because he developed the theory of Lemuria. --Evice 06:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That is something. It's too much of a coincidence for Nintendo and Camelot to have come up with both those names in the same game, so therefore there should be a stand-alone sentence at the end of the Kraden section about this. Erik the Appreciator 22:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Since its been 2 years since the last person wrote something in this discussion, and absolutely no action has been made, I'll do the honors. --haha169 (talk) 04:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Alex
I disagree with Alex being underneath the antagonist heading. Alex fully supports your quest all the way through, besides he travelled with Felix at one point. Plus, an antagonist usually gets in your way and may fight you, which very well puts Agatio, Karst, Saturos and Menardi under there. But all the way, Alex is helping you. He heals you in Jupiter Lighthouse, stops any nasty stuff happening between Agatio/Karst and Felix's group, and is indeed more of a help than a hindrance. He never even fights you.

Another point: He doesn't help Agatio and Karst fight Isaac and Ivan either.

So pray tell, why have Alex under Antagonists? He should be under Other Major Characters. Kyarorain 08:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I put him with the Proxeans under "Antagonists" because that's what the manual to TLA does. When considering Alex as a more neutral party, sure, it does fit better because that's just what he is - a neutral party -, but what he does at the end is generally agreed to be morally reprehensible by the full fan community. Those two points taken together add up to why I put him in the Antagonist section first.


 * But of course, as the series currently ends right after that, it isn't possible to truly discern which section he would truly fit in in the grand scheme of things. That would take another Golden Sun game (please let there be one!) or some other new property from Camelot. That said, if you feel Alex fits better in Other Major Characters than Antagonists, go right ahead. And thanks for the thoughts! Erik the Appreciator 18:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, and another reason: I recently got permission from the moderator/web host/creator/whatever of the "Home of the Golden Sun" sites to use his images to upload into these pages, and I'm planning to upload all the character illustrations by Camelot into this page in particular. As Alex has an illustration of his own, but The Wise One, Kraden, and Babi don't, putting Alex into the Other Major Characters section would make that section look somewhat odd visually. So I put him in the Antagonists section to be among the four Proxean characters and below all the main Playable characters because they all have illustrations of their own. I'm doing it that way for consistency. Do you understand what I'm aiming for? Erik the Appreciator 18:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I see what you're getting at with the organisation thing, and since the manual does have Alex under Antagonists like you said, I'll go with what you said and leave it.

Minor Characters
Would it be a good idea to add a list of minor characters who are still important to the plot, like Iodem and Hydros? Without them, the game would be kind of lacking. --DcPimp 02:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. They're preety important. --Eldarone 03:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then. I'll get right one it. Tell me if i'm doing okay. --DcPimp 03:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This'll take time. I've got to remember some of these guy's names. That's the most I could remember. Just put the ones that I left out in, okay? I'll get the rest tomorrow anyways. --DcPimp 04:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I suppose that a section like this wouldn't hurt the page. (Just look at the coverage given to the Final Fantasy 7 characters and properties on the site, after all.) After all, this layout is better fit for that than the previous layout. Just make sure you don't go so far as to list characters like Bunza (Hammet's business partner), Okuni (one of the Izumo dancers), or any of the Colosso fighters. Erik the Appreciator 18:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I'll keep it limited to only important characters. But I can't remember a few names, like:
 * Bilibin's leader
 * The leader of Prox
 * The first temple's (the place where you get Force) head monk


 * Also, would it be going too far to include Chaucha and Eoleo? They did almost nothing, but they were helpful to the Briggs storyline section. Plus, would the fortuneteller in Naribwe and Sunshine be overdoing it? --DcPimp 21:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Fansites like this one have character lists, so they're good for looking up characters whose names have been forgotten. I'd also be wary about listing every single character in the game. People like Babi and such deserve to be in it, but soon we'll be adding Alhafra Resident #18 if we're not careful. -- Steel359 21:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry. Other than those I mentioned, I don't think anyone else is important enough to bother putting in. --DcPimp 21:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Would Tret be considered a boss or minor character? --DcPimp 01:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to say boss because he seems to have NO relevance to the progression of the main plot whatsoever, merely a job of good samaritanship that Isaac must do in order to progress around Angara in pursuit of Saturos. Now if Tret reappeared in a new Golden Sun game in the future, that would work much better to make him a minor character. Erik the Appreciator 01:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * So, we should keep it limited to characters that either appeared in both or were really important, right? If that's the case, I think the list is done. --DcPimp 01:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, seems that way. Now there should be a little more elaboration on each character in the list, just so it doesn't look tacked on. Erik the Appreciator 01:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've added desciptions of the character's personalities. Does everything sound okay? --DcPimp 02:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I skimed through it, and I think it truned out very nice. --Eldarone 02:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I was just typing out what I thought were the most accurate descriptions. --DcPimp 02:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Why are Isaac's parents, especially his mother, not listed here? And for that matter, where are Felix and Jenna's parents? They're all definitely important characters (except for Dora, they are the final boss), and at least five minutes of dialogue at the end are devoted to them. 66.213.36.2 18:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure they're really needed. --Eldarone 18:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Eldarone has a point. Dora was only important for the very first part of Golden Sun, and even then she didn't do a whole lot. Kyle was just a plot device, at least that's how I view it. Same for Jenna's parents. Besides, enough information is given about them in the Main Characters section under their kid's info. --DcPimp 23:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping we could add at least a small part on the djinn in the minor characters section. I mean, the little dude did give you a tutorial in the first game, and they're pretty much the Golden Sun equivalent of Final Fantasy's moogles, eh? --Eternal Trance 04:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I tried arranging it so that enough info about the Djinn is found in the Golden Sun and Psynergy articles. Erik the Appreciator 19:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I am wondering if it would hurt to include Puelle (a mayor-figure to Prox right with the Elder), though. He had suspicions that played a hand in sending Saturos and Menardi out on their quest, which I think makes him a rather important character. Thoughts? Erik the Appreciator 01:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * He was also the most benevolent of the Proxians, wishing to free Felix's parents if he returned to Prox, so that set him aside from the other Proxians... so he is quite notable. Kyarorain 17:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

About parent characters like Dora in this article, I just thought of something witty: If Golden Sun 3's plot went along the lines of "Alex has kidnapped Dora and now it's up to Isaac to save her" (boy, would that ever suck), then she'd be important enough to imclude in the minor characters section. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 20:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yo, does anybody besides me think Hama might need to be bumped up to the "Other Major Characters" section? --Pants of Destiny 22:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, let's see. She gives Isaac's party info on how to cross the Lamakan desert and teaches Ivan Reveal. Then in The Lost Age, she is revealed to be Ivan's sister and sees Felix's expanded party off on the rest of their journey to Mars Lighthouse. Finally, she telephones you at the top of the Mars Lighthouse to relay info from the Wise One to get out of the newly activated Mars Lighthouse. Realistically, that's just not enough notability to give her her own section. This problem is rectified, however, by the fact that she is near the top of the Minor Characters list. And actually, that list should be reordered so that the most important minor characters like Hama and Puelle are at the top and the least important (like the unnamed Mayor of Madra) are at the bottom. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 22:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Point taken. Right now, it's in the order you meet them in, right? --Pants of Destiny 01:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, yeah, you're right. That actually now makes it so that it doesn't matter much which way they are ordered (ordered by appearance vs ordered by importance). I'll leave it up to you to reorder the list or not. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 16:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

English Names
Recently, someone has tried to change Golden Sun names to the Japanese release names instead of the English default names. Since this page is on English langauge Wikipedia, and is likely used by those who are in the English area release of the gamer, it is probably best we use the English names for sections. --Eldarone 02:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, everyone except one person knows that it's the English naming that fits, apparently. It seems this one IP address does not like the English names and tries changing it to express his opinion, in spite of the Wikipedia code. Well, I'll not try and sound too venomous, but Steel has been going against the IP for a while now. Erik the Appreciator 02:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Rumors?
Should we add some rumors in, just to keep the humor of the page? You know, Garret can see dead people and so on. Izaak


 * We would if it weren't in violation of Wikipedia's policy on Original Research. Only material that is verifiable is allowed in these articles, says everyone else. And actually, all message board forums concerning Golden Sun games have had to discuss over the past three years are rumors, and they're still open for that, so this encyclopedia article is actually the least tolerant place to put rumors. But not to despair; Camelot's been up to something big for a long time... ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 22:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I smell GS3. --DcPimp 02:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No, Rumors are in violation of policy. --Eldarone 02:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Repeat, I repeat, I smell Golden Sun 3! --DcPimp 19:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Redesign as of August 2006
Okay, so here's what goes on with this latest rewrite of the page: I've been looking at the Naruto character articles and notice how they emphasize character traits as much as plot summary (oftentimes some plot summary is missing), and that seems to work for the articles pretty well. Since the Golden Sun characters are just as good and deep as the Naruto characters (in my humble opinion at least), I completely rewrote each character to conform to this style. Now the information about each character generally talks about what kind of character it is (silent protagonist, comic relief, anti-hero, damsel in distress, etc etc - the sort of information the uninitiated reader would like to see), personality traits, and how the personality influences actions and events throughout both games. In doing so, there actually is more detailed plot summary going on than before, but it seemed mandatory in order to write each character in the Naruto article style.

The one thing that has me concerned about all this, though, is the length; now it's roughly 1.3 times the size of the previous page. That's not to say I didn't try to shorten it down previously; I originally had something even longer that I could have posted if I didn't proofread. So I am wondering: Is the length of the page an issue with anyone? Be sure to actually read some of it closely before responding. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 20:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Everything looked fine to me, minus that annoying lack of Sheba's picture. --Pants of Destiny 01:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Err, lack of Sheba's picture? How do you mean? The picture is still there right alongside everyone elses... I'm a little confused. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 01:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What? Then why does it not show up for me? --Pants of Destiny 02:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, yea, Sheba's pic is in the edit box...but it doesn't show up on my computer...and yet, I can still type in the image name and see it. --Pants of Destiny 02:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it seems to be a browser display issue with yours in particular, which would mean that it must be like that for several others too. It might have to do with the size of the picture itself, or maybe it's the fact that all the pictures add up to enough stuff to display that the browser can't handle it. My advice is to change the pixel values of the Sheba image and see if it shows up afterwards, and if not, try changing the pixel values of all the other characters. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 02:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the image size change, but I'm still not getting an image. I don't know much about computers, but is there anything I can do to adjust my browser? --Pants of Destiny 02:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about this technical stuff much either. I know that all the character portraits I recently enlarged to better fit the new size of the sections, but that could be overloading your browser. You should change all the images back to the exact sizes they originally were for the last couple months or so, which were somewhat smaller than what they are now, and see if they now all fit. If not, then I think it has become official: I made the page too damn big. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 02:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea. the page size might be the reason. I do a lot of work on the Creatures in the Metroid series pages, and they're only 40-some kilobytes long. This is 58 kilobytes long! So, yea, "too damn big" is about right. --Pants of Destiny 03:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * List of Final Fantasy Tactics characters is the article that I based off my versions of this page previously, so we can compare this page to that. It has 8 smaller images and weighs in at 46 kilobytes. Another game, one that I sometimes see Golden Sun being compared to, is Tales of Symphonia: Its list of characters page has 19 small-to-medium images and runs 32 kilobytes long. The reason for the length reduction is because while it still has thick paragraphs per character, all the more in-depth details are left to actual separate articles on each character that are linked to the main character list. And what do we have for this Golden Sun list? 13 big images, 3 small images, and 58 kilos of text. (I'm not sure if images actually count toward the kilobyte measurements.)


 * Taking all that into account, I can certainly try to condense the amount of text down somewhat, though that would mean leaving out some important stuff, but it might be worth it if the images (which I also will tone back down) all fully display. I guesstimate that if it goes well, the page might go down to 52 kbs. I'll try a condensing job. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 03:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, yeah, you do that. Heck, if we're lucky, Isaac and Felix will get into Brawl and we can move them to their own articles. --Pants of Destiny 03:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, about that, here's a view I've held for a long time: In the event a Golden Sun 3 is announced, I believe global interest in the Golden Sun franchise would spike enough that most of the main characters would become notable enough (and need room for new information) to warrant their own articles. In the case that game does come out (ergh, it's so hard for me to keep on saying IF the game comes out because I so want it to), I would have separate articles on each of the main playable characters, one page for all the Mars Clan, one page for Alex, and the rest are covered on the list page itself, and the format for the list page would resemble List of Final Fantasy VIII characters. Unfortunately, that's all still an IF, so for now I will have to resort to shortening the character sections somewhat and keep the images at a not-higher-than-necessary size. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 04:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, that didn't go so well; in trying to shorten out two paragraphs worth of details, I removed one single kilobyte from the page. Mind you, this was most likely necessary for the page anyway; I think I removed some overbloated stuff from Felix and Alex nontheless. It just really seems impossible to shorten it further without removing really important content to each character. Mr.Pants, if I may call you that (^_^), I assume your browser still can't see that Sheba image, right? But just out of curiosity, was it displaying for you a couple weeks ago when the page was in an older, smaller state? And frankly, I find it strange that out of all the images on there it is Sheba that is not being registered by your browser (Why not Agatio, the biggest image of all, and near the end of the page after everyone else's images?). Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 17:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

You can call me Mr. Pants if you want, or DcPimp. We're one and the same. Anyways, now Sheba's showing up just fine. As for why she was showing up a few weeks ago, I may have a reason. My old computer's hardrive gave out. Even though the blasted thing was outdated, its browser may have adjusted to sustaining all the images over time. When I got the new computer, though, I spent very little time on Wikipedia. Its untelling how the browser was adapting and such. --Pants of Destiny 00:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. Now I think the page can remain as is for the next while, with perhaps some image resizing and other tweaks done by other users as necessary. And the Mr. Pants thing was just sarcasm; you might want to read the article on Mr. Pants, hee hee. I would just refer to you as Pants of Destiny otherwise. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 04:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

True villains?
According to a fourm topic on www.gamefaqs.com the villains are not true villains so ca anyone put that?
 * No, that is not a reliable source. --Eldarone 00:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason for that is because it actually goes against wiki-policy to input something from a fan forum into an article of what should always be a verifiable source of information. Actually, I think it's considered original research to say that so-and-so "may not be the true villain". Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 01:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Japanese name characters:
Recently, there's been a bit of a revert war concerning inserting the Japanese text character versions into each character's name section. I feel that it's best to have a discussion about it here with multiple users to decide which is the best way to go about this; as far as I know, articles about video game characters often have the non-romanized Japanese-language names, so it warrants a legitimate discussion whether to have it this way here or not. What I hope we'll decide is that, if we put in the Japanese character names, it's either among the black names above the text or integrated into the start of each section's opening text paragraph. Best, Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 18:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Model it after the Fire Emblem 10 and Brawl articles. They put the Japanese characters in the character's names. --Pants of Destiny 22:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The Brawl article style is the one I was thinking of, since I've seen it done that way on many other pages like the Pokemon creature pages for example. I can't say I've seen the Fire Emblem 10 style anywhere before; that's actually the style that was in question when the revert wars occured on this page (putting the Jap characters right next to the big black names is what got this page protected). Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 23:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The page is protected? Whatever. I like the GoD style myself, but either way is fine with me. --Pants of Destiny 01:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I prefer the Brawl article style myself. The Fire Emblem 10 style seems a little more cluttering. The katakana should be smaller instead of the same size as the name itself, like in the Brawl article. Kyarorain 07:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, now there is more of a rough consensus forming here; this so-called Nihongo template that contains the names is nearly ubiquitous in pages about Japanese game characters. I'll wait a little longer before requesting this page be unprotected; afterwards, someone knowledgable about the katakana of these characters can insert it. This is turning out pretty good. :) Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 16:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The article format I have in mind would look as follows:


 * Saturos (サテュロス (Sateyrosu)) and Menardi (メナーディ (Menaadi)) are two antagonists in Golden Sun yada yada...


 * That is the way the Brawl article does it, so that probably should be the way this page does it as well. With that in mind, though, I think it means we would have to remove the rest of those boldface name lines from the top of each character's section so that we only provide the english and japanese names. I don't think there are any other character lists with this feature. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's better like this:

Isaac Kyarorain 19:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Japanese name: Robin (ロビン)
 * French name: Vlad
 * Spanish name: Hans
 * Well, alright. That's actually very similar to the content the IP was adding, only arranged differently (The katakana comes after the name this time), but you can implement the katakana once the page is unprotected. This seems to be a more effective compromise. Thanks, Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 16:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Crop the character portraits?
Currently I'm cropping and reuploading the character portraits in List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance so that the characters' head and torso areas are what's shown, so the characters can therefore appear "closer" to the screen. It was accepted as a great idea over there, so does anyone think it's a good idea to do the same thing here? On a related note, the big character description sections should probably be rewritten to be a little shorter. Doing both these things I think would make the page more than a "Start"-class article. Erik Jensen (Appreciate 01:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I second this. --Eldarone 20:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The new portrait crops feel awkward to view. It's like half their body is missing.  Is there anyway to frame the portariure?  I can help out if I knew I needed to do. --Eldarone 08:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

About the May rewrite
Okay, so the story behind this latest complete rewrite of much of the page revolves around how I recently noticed the RPG character list Characters of Final Fantasy VIII. Since that page made it to Featured List status, I figure the character list for these RPGs should be modeled off that page's structure. That was also the reason why I had cropped the character portraits a short while back, and moved the page's title; that;s the way the FF8 List does it, and we might want to convert this into a Featured List like FF8 in the future. Right, people? ^_^

The character sections themselves have been majorly shortened to resemble the lengths of FF8's character sections, and the emphasis therefore is placed on brevity-based clarity for readers who might not have played Golden Sun (yet). Ideally this is what an encyclopedia would want, rather than plot summary and original analysis by this site, which I think went on with the page's previous version. Each character has pretty much one paragraph for each game in the series, and if there is to be a GS3 in the future, each character would get a third paragraph as well. (Also: I'm hoping Brawl will allow us to write additional stuff on each of these characters as they might appear in that game.) Questions, comments, and concerns? Thanks. Erik Jensen (Appreciate 05:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

go back to in-game portraits?
I was just thinking, didn't all the characters at one time have potraits like Kraden? I personally just like them more since they're smaller and more unintrusive. David Fuchs ( talk ) 20:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If the small square portraits of the character faces found in the games satisfy Wikipedia's Fair Use policies better, then I'd support that. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 21:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I really don't know if they do, I just think that they're more uniform and cleaner than the current "jaggy" ones. David Fuchs ( talk  ) 21:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Jenna: NPC/PC
In Jenna's section of the article, it is said that she "becomes a playable party member" in TLA. However, she was a playable party member during Golden Sun's "prologue" section (3 years before the main game, the trip into Sol Sanctum). If I'm reading this correct, then a revision is in order. If, however, by "playable party member", it is meant that the player controls Jenna's sprite (at the beginning of TLA), then changes are, I believe, in order for the sections on Garet, Ivan and Mia; during the Collosso event, the option was there to place the three of them in the stage, with the ability to use them to alter the course. I am unsure which of these possibilities is the one implied by the article, but it would seem to need a revision in either case. Hezekiah957 (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Why the heck is the picture of Isaac some sort of graphics that aren't actually from the game?
I own both games and I'm not sure where this 3d-looking Isaac came from or why it should be here since it doesn't portray in-game graphics. 136.176.100.22 (talk) 07:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's from Brawl...I'll make the caption say so.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 13:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Which image of Isaac do you guys think is better: the current one, or ? The current one is already firmly established, and looks quite nice in the article. The image I suggested is an official Nintendo portrait, but there might be some problems in making the text fit snugly around it, and creating a new fair-use rationale. --haha169 (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

nvm. I cropped the useless edges of the original picture, and it seems to look quite nice. --haha169 (talk) 05:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * To be honest I think that image is not necessary, since Mia's pictured in the intro image anyway. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 23:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Brawl voice actress
First Isaac's voice in Brawl was listed as provided by "Aya Hara" for a while, then it became "Minami Takayama" for a much longer while. Now an IP's changed it back to Aya Hara... Can anyone verify which one it actually is? Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 00:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't find a source for who voiced Isaac... --haha169 (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Help
I've had some trouble getting the images i added to look quite right and be exactly to the side of each person. So if anyone could help, that would be great. Thanks!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 20:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Saturos and Menardi
What is the basis for claiming that Saturos and Menardi aimed to light all the lighthouses and were tragic heros? At the top of the Venus lighthouse they mention that they don't need to light the mars lighthouse, and if you read the minds of alot of people in prox you will find that Saturos did alot of bad stuff.

Also is it just me or is calling Alex a 'wielder of watery spell craft' a bit of an odd phrase? Psyengery is never referred to as 'spell craft'. 220.238.139.78 (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Tragic hero" is probably not the right description of them, yeah. It should probably be "Anti villain". But it is a given that lighting the four Lighthouses to restore alchemy is their objective. And I'll try to come up with a more fitting description of Water Psynergy. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 19:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Golden Sun DS
Golden Sun DS is going to feature all of these heroes' decedents. The list is going to require a reorganization. --haha169 (talk) 00:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed; however, I think that can only happen once the game is released and we know exactly about the roles and familial relations of the characters in it, which'd be important to know in order to do any proper work on this page. There might even be a decision to make a separate character list for GSDS, or there might not; we really don't know at this early stage. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 01:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * True. I was jumping the gun there. :P --haha169 (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sheba, Saturos, Menardi, Hama
T.J. Fuller, Jr. (talk) 04:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC) F_CKING AND DEPRESSING FREAKS WITH FUTILE KNOWLEDGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.121.64.44 (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * While the English version of the Japanese The Lost Age character page uses "Sheba" in the text, her image URL uses "shiba"; the image itself covers that letter, and I cannot estimate if "e" or "i" fit the spacing.
 * The character page with Saturos and Menardi show their names to explicitly be "Satyuros" and "Menadi". Should these be noted with the "in Japanese language versions" blurb?
 * I would have to confirm, but I think Hama's name has also been spelled "Hamma" in the English version(s). If true, should this be mentioned?

Lost age image
Okay, maybe the image I inserted was unnecessary, but i think it looks nice. Correct me if the edits I made were a bad move with the image and the seperation of the playable character. I am always open to criticism.-- Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 14:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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