Talk:List of Grand Prix motorcycle racing World Riders' Champions

1952 500cc constructors world champion
Despite MotoGP's official site states Norton as winner of the 1952 500cc constructors championship, many other sources (like Gilera's official site, many independent books and other websites) reports that was Gilera to won it. I assume that the mistake is in the MotoGP site Scott DNA (talk) 21:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Asterisks
There's no explanation of why the asterisks (*) are present.

Flag
I think the usage ıf the English flag is bad practice. UK flag should be used instead. I hence am doing this. -- Cat out 11:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

50/80 and 350cc classes
Why not remove the 50/80 and 350 classes from the table from the last year they existed? No need for them to continue as they've been discontinued.

The user who have created or edited the table of "Manufacturers' World Champions"
Hi folks,

I have never seen so many errors in only one table!!! There were only 2 rows correct from 35 I think. Almost 150 errors in 35 rows. Simply horrible!! I demand the one who have created or spoiled this table to write here an excuse. If he has a dyslexia I can understand it, but then do not create or edit the tables, please!! It took me a bunch of time to edit the years from 2008 to 1972. And now I must continue and correct the rest. Also if anyone, or this person created or edited also the other tables, it seems it awaits me a big work.. :-/ :-( So please, it this person reads this, please let the table making to other people on the wiki. Thx.. --Fingon1 (talk) 07:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please, remember that there are basic Wikipedia principles to be always respected. First of all avoid any personal attack and, secondly, always assume good faith. The user could have done the edit with good faith and mistakes might have been unwanted. Please avoid arrogance and assume that everybody here is trying to improve the quality of wikipedia, even though not always with positive results.--Desyman44 (talk) 19:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And u please, if u have nothing to say to the topic, please be quiet and do not write completely irrelevant replies like this above. Be so kind ok? And If someone completely spoil 32 rows of 35 rows in one table (and this cannot be row wrong placement - I tried) this person must have some kind of disease or it is clearly a bad faith. Because, my friend, good faith is a legal term, and with this behaviour is completely incongruous. So dont try to write some "clever" words and ridicilous inner links, this wont make ur reply any smarter. And If u spent 4 hours (!!!) correcting someone else crazy spoiling, u wouldnt be so kind like me in previous post. Users have right to say that someone has completely spoiled some topic and they spent 4 hours of their life correcting someone´s "bad faith". So before posting any clever irrelevant reply, please think twice if you have something to the topic or u just want to haze someone. --Fingon1 (talk) 07:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmmm... So I had a look on ur personal page and ur from Italy, ur very likely this guy (the table had words in italian, like the word totali, etc..) who have completely spoiled this table. I thought u would have be enough man to admit it and excuse for, but u had enough arrogance to not to excuse for that but instead of it u tried to haze me. Thats a cowardice.. :-/ So let me give u a good advice, do not edit the tables anymore, if u cant follow the lines. I can understand if someone has a disease, ok but If u have it and do not excuse for editing and instead of it u try to attack and haze people, then I cannot tolerate this. Bye and take this advice to ur heart. --Fingon1 (talk) 07:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The constructors' world championship and the rider's world championship is separate. For example, just because Marco Simoncelli won the riders' world championship on a Gilera does not means that Gilera won the constructors' world championship in 2008, Aprilia won the constructors' world championship instead, see the standings here. I've reverted and corrected the whole section based on the list of constructors' champions list from motogp.com statistics page. — Martin tamb (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sidecars
Does the Sidecars class need to be listed here? The official MotoGP website does not list Sidecars in their statistics page. Also the F750 class on the Manufacturers section is not listed on the MotoGP website. — Martin tamb (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sidecars were part of the world championship until 1996. They share the same engines as the 500cc class. MotoGP website, and even the FIM website can be full of errors. I wrote the Superside wiki and I have entire set of Motocourse and other historical articles and magazines to go by. As for F750, it is not part of the GP, and never was.Alcatrazhack (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Massive editing
I hope whoever (possibly Naphit) who is doing the editing right now is only in the middle of it. Gone are the year by year rider and constructors champions list, also sidecar. I am trying to correct ADM as the constructors champions being Swiss instead of Belgium, but the entire original table is gone. The set up before it is fine as it is, just need more cosmetic changes. Just because a category is no longer part of the GP circus does not mean that we should wipe it out. Statistics is statistics. I will be horrified that in a few years there will be no more 50cc champions listed.. Alcatrazhack (talk) 02:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm surprised that year-by-year champions are removed. They are fine before. I know each categories have their own list (List of 500cc/MotoGP Motorcycle World Champions, List of 250cc/Moto2 Motorcycle World Champions, etc), but this is the only article where champions fromevery category is listed side by side and year-by-year. It's a good information to see when a rider make a step up and become champions in other categories (for example, it's informative to see that Dani Pedrosa won 125 in 2003, and next year he stepped up and won 250 in 2004 and 2005). It's also good information to see that in the older years, some champions also became champions in other categories at the same year (for example John Surtees and Giacomo Agostini won 500cc and 350cc in the same year). Also the Constructors' World Championship are gone. There is no other article in wikipedia that listed these constructors champions. Only List of 500cc/MotoGP Motorcycle World Champions had constructors champions, but even that only the totals championships win by constructor. Any good reason why these are removed? Or are they gonna be restored at some point? — MT (talk) 04:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The year by year table is redundant, the individual lists provide this information already. My goal is to get this list to featured standard, the way it was before there was no way that would be possible. As for champions winning two different categories in the same year, this is also provided in the separate lists, so again its redundant. I under stand removing the constructors champions would puzzle you, but the simple thing to do would be to create a separate list, like the F1 list, which I'll do. The goal is to get a featured topic with all the champions lists for the riders, these edits were the only way to achieve that, as the list was not near featured standard. NapHit (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. I agree about the constructors champions that they need a separate list, but since this was a combined list before, I think it's okay to put it here. However, I still think that the year-by-year rider's champions list is useful, but I haven't seen any FLs about multiple categories champions (or anything similar) with that kind of table. So it maybe not a good idea to keep the table. Anyway, it's always great to see an editor aiming for featured contents. — MT (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there anyway to transfer the year by year table of all riders and constructors champions into a new article in WIKI? Alcatrazhack (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You could have a chronological list of champions there is a similar here for golf. But obviously you would keep the format currently in use as opposed to the one in that list. NapHit (talk) 19:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)