Talk:List of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories characters

Boxart
i didnt know the boxart for gta:vcs had been released if it has were can i find it? t(-_-t).tekwon 23:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * For starters, see Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories article. But I do advise using Google first instead the next time around before asking here. Thanks. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  12:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC) ╫

Article Quality?
Is it just me or does this article lack any encyclopeadic quality? Currently it looks like a stereotypical Geocities fansite. Born Acorn
 * I have to agree with you on that. The entire section of Unknown Characters seems like a huge pile of nonsense. Rumours and speculation; at least give a link to these grand debates of who the characters are from other forums and websites instead of putting one's opinion only. I'm deciding to clean up the entire section and add the pictures correctly, instead of linking them, anyone who opposes, state why. NSRegentPark 12:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am definetly not opposed but i was just checking would you be able to replace the low quality pics of Vic and Lance with the digital ones that have been released. It doesn't matter if your unable but Thanks Anyway.--Greene01

Beverly McFadden & Article Clean-Up
I have added Beverly McFadden to the "Confirmed Characters" section. My source of information for this character was the Official Vice City Stories website. Where he is mentioned in the "The Dark Underside Of Life On The Base" Report on MeTV.

I am also in the process of cleaning up the article so that it more resembles the other Character pages from the other GTA titles. At the moment I have added images for both Victor Vance and Beverly McFadden. Both images were taken from the Official site and are of good quality. I have also imbedded the images so that they look neater than before when they were just links. --Saint-Gabriel 20:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There is scant evidence to suggest that that character is Beverly McFadden. This article has an awful problem with printing theory as fact 68.149.220.17 04:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and cleaned up the first half of the article, the unknown characters section will probably be rid off for being far too speculative and rumor-driven (until they are actually confirmed characters, the analysis is hardly encyclopedic). As for the screenshots, I'll probably be including a few from various trailers to replace the Photobucket versions. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  18:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Added Gonzales
He was confirmed to be in VCS by PSM magazine —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metal moe (talk • contribs)

Diego Mendez
Is the information of T-Bone really necessary? I mean, IMHO, he looks nothing like a younger version of T-Bone, Diego Mendez looks much older. The relative part, maybe, but that's about it. I'm removing that tid-bit of him being a younger version of T-Bone, it's ridiculousNSRegentPark 12:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ever heard of something called "plastic surgery" :O maybe he used this so called "plastic surgery" to change his appereance~ moe 15:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Martinez????
his name is beverly macfadden not Martinez ,where the hell does it say his name is Martinez???~ moe 15:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A newly released game art has his name tag bearing the name. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * so the official site says his name is McFadden~ moe 18:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This wouldn't prove much if we don't know what McFadden looks like, even if the soldier is pictured alongside the news report in question. It would be better to stick to Martinez for now, before we have a concrete indication as to who he is. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  19:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * Oh, Mohammed from Kuwait graces us with his presence 199.126.253.155 11:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intervene, but are you directing this message to Metal Moe? Because I sure hell am not in Kuwait. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  15:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * he is talking to me cus i am from Q8~ moe 16:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for clarifying. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * Yes. He's a very persistent troll on gta-related forums 199.126.253.155 14:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Verifying age
I'm having a hard time verifying Lance Vance's age (or Tommy Vercetti's for that matter). The article states that the Vice City manual should provide this information, but so far the PC version manual doesn't (much of it focuses as a tourist guide for Vice City). Could someone grab hold of the PS2 and Xbox versions, and clear this up? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  10:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * he was 32 in vice city but it will be retconed in VCS to say that he was 28 ~User:Metal_moe 10:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This doesn't help much if you have no source to back this information up. What I'm actually requesting is a scanned page of the manual or a PDF copy of the manual that mentions the ages of the character. The manual I have of the PC version of GTA:VC doesn't mention it at all. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  10:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * The PS2 manual doesn't say anything either. In fact, they are both almost exactly the same. - .:Alex:. 17:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Unknown Characters
We need to see if characters we don know like Rosenburg or Aunt Paule,ec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.197 (talk • contribs)

Maurice Chavez
Where have you read about Maurice Chavez appearing in the game? ProSieben 12:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * i think it was on the official site~ moe 19:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest providing the exact location from which this is suggested. I have not been able to find anything about him as far as the the official site is concerned. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  08:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Strange Rumors
Victor Vance was killed in the original Vice City version at the beginning. He was shot by gangs, thus Vercetti and his Lawyer was fleeing the docks.

Ricardo Diaz was killed in the mission known as Rub Out from Vice City by Lance Vance and Tommy Vercetti.

Lance Vance was killed at the final mission where Tommy Vercetti must protect his money and Lance Vance was killed. I have noticed that few characters was killed by Tommy Vercetti, but Victor was killed by a shootout at the beggining of the game. Professional Gamer 3 November 2006

Official Strategy Guide Character Descriptions
I picked up the official guide to the game and it had a character section with small desciptions of the major characters and background information on a few of them. Some of it confirms such things as Marty Williams is indeed the boss of the Trailer Park Mafia and that Louise Williams and her sister are cousins of Phil, not sisters. If anyone's interested, I can type up the info here on this talk page and you can read over it, deciphering anything you want to incorporate. (It's short, nothing long) -Navex November 10, 2006


 * That's all and well. Just remember to provide the source of the information. And since a lot may be added in the article, it's not necessary to cite all of them; just write in details of the official guide (name and author) in the reference section. Thanks for your concern. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  08:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * Type it up, it would be helpful, Thanks

Giorgio Forelli
Mind providing evidence that suggests Giorgio would succeed Sonny Forelli in 1986 (and be killed in 1992 by Carl Johnson)? If GTA:VCS doesn't mention anything about it, this claim is subject to removal. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  13:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * I agree, there is no evidence, just fan belief and speculation, this calim may cause confusion. MetallicSnake16 19:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Giorgio could have become new don of the forelli family after his cousins' deaths to defeat both Leone Family returned Sindacco Family and Tommy Vercetti after events of GTA Vice City GTA Liberty City Stories and GTA 3.

Vic Vance
Shouldnt Victor Vance have his own article because all the other protagonist have had their own article so i suggest u should included his including the rumors if he died or not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grimesta (talk • contribs) 08:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Why not? We need the consistency. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  15:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

Victor vance's own page?
i agree with the other guy a whileback. vic deserves his own artical, as all the other protagonists have one. ..if anyone has the time or bother. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.168.238.187 (talk) 10:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I'll give it a try this weekend. - Throw 14:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I fails. Someone beat me to it. - Throw 21:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I deleted most of it as the grammar was way too bad and didn't make any sense. Someone else needs to write it up again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.52.49 (talk) 10:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Reni's identity
Since Reni is a woman at the end of her arc, and during Liberty City Stories she's still a woman (as heard during her commentary on the radio station show she hosts), I'm going to change the "his/her" nonsense and use the proper pronouns. - Throw 14:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering about Reni's original gender. Supposedly he/she has had a total of 4 sex changes and ends up as a woman which implies Reni was born a woman. But just before catching a flight to Europe, Victor makes a comment about Reni having large hands and stubble. Those are generally indicaters of a person being born a man.


 * The evidence is certainly indicative that Reni was born a man since features like large hands can't be altered and are more likely male characteristics. But with her last sex change operation she received female genitals and hormonal therapy to develop breasts, make her voice higher pitched and reduce hair (from the face and such), and identifies as a woman and lives as one, so she's a woman. - Throw 21:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't you mean make her voice higher rather than lower? - TheTrojanHought 18:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what I meant. I fixed the error. - Throw 22:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Pete
The entry for Pete Vance explaining that he MAY be the brother killed in VC is being reverted non-stop, and I see the validity in both arguments. For one thing, Pete possibly being the brother killed is a rumor and not fact. However, the rumor is such a major point of debate among GTA fans, that it warrants a mention on why it's such a popular rumor. Is there a general consensus? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.20.11.116 (talk • contribs).


 * I think that since Pete has never been (definitively) shown, the best you can do is mention the "controversy among fans" over who dies. However, that aready got addressed here, at the bottom. Johnnyfog 21:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Rockstar never confirmed that it was Vic Vance who was killed. SO WHAT? That has nothing to do with it.Johnnyfog 21:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

QUOTE FROM JOHNNYFOG I think that since Rockstar has confirmed that Vic Vance is dead, yeah you're edited you're post. *Rolls eyes*.

*slams head on keyboard*
There is no reason for a huge synopsis of Vic Vance because, durr, there's a whole article on the subject. Durr. I've hit the 3RR and an unregistered user keeps reverting everything on Vic and Lance. I made the Lance part more succint, but I didn't remove anything important. Johnnyfog 21:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Why are you deleating info from the Lance Vance section? Theres no article on him, so stop deleating shit. You can't even spell. I did you a favor cleaning up your mess. Johnnyfog 21:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't misspell shit.

Diego Mendez
I swear that there was a mission in the game that had Diego speaking in english. I think it was the one where you had to pick up his car using a helicopter fitted with a giant magnet. Could anyone confirm this for me? .:Alex:. 17:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're correct, the helicopter rescue mission was the one where he spoke English. Navex 03:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The article will be changed to reflect this. - .:Alex:. 07:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cameo appearance?
Does Tommy Vercetti (from Grand Theft Auto: Vice City) make an cameo appearance from the ending? Professional Gamer 17:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Tommy Vercetti does not appear in Vice City Stories. - .:Alex:. 18:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So he only appeared 2 years later? Professional Gamer 19:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He's still in jail when the VCS ends. Johnnyfog 19:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Brian/Bryan Forbes
Quote from .:Alex:.: Bryan Forbes - Stop changing the letters of his name! It's BRIAN. It's in the manual. It's in the game. It's official. Well, it's in the manual. But if you look at the ingame map, and read the cutscene texts you can see that he's called "Bryan". I think THAT'S official. ProSieben 17:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. That's strange. In my game, the cutscenes say Brian.  .: Alex  :.  19:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Reni
In LCS Reni mentions that she is from Munich. Maybe it should be included in the Reni section ? 80.202.209.212 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Merge Victor Vance
The article Victor Vance consists of plot information. There is no out-of-universe information, and no secondary sources to show notability. It should be merged into this list.  Pagra shtak  20:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree, the Vic Vance article consists of too much information that is not only about this game's plot but even others (meanwhile, Vice City even if I don't think he appeared there.) Too much to just merge with an article full of information already. 81.216.183.206 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a plot summary. You've hit the nail on the head—this article contains too much information about the game's plot. The plot of the game belongs in the article about the game. If we're to have an article on the character, it should focus on the character. Now, in order to do that, we need the raw materials for article construction—reliable secondary sources. Can you provide those or show why Victor Vance meets the requirement of Notability?  Pagra shtak  22:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It is focused on the CHARACTER, not the game's plot. Strictly about the characters story. And the only reason just this character has an article is because he's the protagonist. Story of two games wont belong in a character list that is about only one game. Also the information can easily be cited via in-game dialogue. Unless you can't speak English then you could also understand it. --81.216.183.206 (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, you make a good point—"the only reason just this character has an article is because he's the protagonist". We shouldn't make articles just because a character is the lead—we should make articles about notable subjects. Per Verifiability, "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." According to Notability, we presume subjects as notable if they are the subject of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. You need to show why this subject is notable according to our policies and guidelines.  Pagra shtak  20:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, is the game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories notable? If so, then the lead character is too. Enough said! --81.216.183.206 (talk) 11:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In general, notability is not inherited.  Pagra shtak  12:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would support a merge ala Niko Bellic provided that the whole "images in lists" debate does not reignite due to the merge.-- .: Alex  :.  18:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Birthyear.
who's putting the birthyear on the characters? thats just out right fanon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.185.200 (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)