Talk:List of Heroes characters with special abilities

superpowers?
superpowers sounds soooo corney!!! lol. can we change it to minor characters with powers or minor characters with special abilities?--76.168.220.243 05:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Special abilities" would be fine by me :) Just as long as we change the term in List of characters in Heroes as well. However, it's ought to be discussed at the talk page of List of characters in Heroes before changing though. Pjär80 05:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Coming to think of it, "special abilities" is the term used by the producers and in the show, and given that I moved the page. Hope it doesn't upset anyone. Pjär80 13:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ted spargue is who the incredible hulk: if you make him angry, he exploded and you wouldn't like him, if he angry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.106.243 (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Alchemy?
I get the reference, but it should just be "turn matter to gold". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.241.255.250 (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

How abot "Midas Touch" amd link yto an article on King Midas? All hes been shown to do is turn things to gold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.214.142.172 (talk) 02:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Alchemy? Alchemy is magical. We have yet to come across a character with sheer magical powers. Bob's power is molecular. Not only was it implied but Tim Kring said it. Bob has the power to alter and manipulate the molecular structure of inanimate objects. If he wanted to he could've turned that metal spoon into a golden coin. Elemental5293 (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alchemy isn't magical, it was regarded as a science for a long time. It seems to me that Bob only changes the base material. So he could turn the spoon iron, platinum, or maybe even wood, but it would still be a spoon. 75.80.139.24 (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ophois (and others), help me out. Tell me there was more discussion about Bob's power than these 10 lines. I seem to remember quite an edit war over the subject. What happened to it? Padillah (talk) 15:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Here is it. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, but it doesn't seem like it got anywhere. Padillah, you said to wait for more examples of Bob using his power than the spoon (I think that was the only example when the discussion took place). So here are all the others: Hampton Connolly and all his clothing were turned to gold in "The Golden Goose", his pen was turned to gold in "Donna's Big Date: Replay" and Sylar turned Noah's gun to gold in "The Butterfly Effect". So the power has been used to do more than just turn metal to gold. They mentioned in an interview that they planned on him turning a door to steel to stop Niki's rampage in "Out of Time" but they said the effect was bad and the assignment tracker map says he can only turn things to gold. They've stated they had "every intention" of making him do more but have not stated any intention to make Sylar do more. I think both the words alchemy and transmutation should be used to reflect that he transmutes items (it seems you were in favour of transmutation, too) but only to gold. That's why I've used "Alchemic transmutation". Sound fair? Therequiembellishere (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right in that the archive doesn't seem to come to a very concrete solution. I do think this needs to be vetted a bit more than it has. For what it's worth I agree with everything you said above and would even be in favor of it being labeled "Chrysopoeia" since, as you note, it has never done anything else. Others, please chime in so we can get this vetted and resolved. Thanks. Padillah (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was using "alchemic transmutation" because it compromises both names and is easily recognisable. The article for chrysopoeia is very short and it's not a very common name. Even if we continued to use the link to list of comic book superpowers under the elemental transmutation section, the casual reader would still be very confused. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the latest Q&A (cited in the section on Bob's power) has the writer implying that they will expand upon Bob's powers through Sylar. Ophois (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything indicating an expansion on his power. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

'''“My question is whether or not this means Sylar will be able to use Bob's full range of powers? Does this mean that Sylar will also be more than just an alchemist even though all of Bob's powers weren't displayed in season 2?”'''

"Sylar hasn’t had reason to use Bob’s power — but we have it on tap and really want to use it this season. So stay tuned."Ophois (talk) 18:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But that not a "will", that's a "we want to". Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. But I was replying to your statement that the writers haven't shown any intention of expanding upon it.Ophois (talk) 20:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay. But for now, we should choose a different name. There's a strong possibility that the name we choose now could be the permanent name. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Rollo Fusor
Hm... Rollo Fusor didn't have any special abilities (as said in the articl). The passage should be replaced by "Rollo Fusor's partner". Right? Pjär80 16:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it was conclusively shown that Matt's Dad was Molly's Boogeyman.
Molly looked at he picture, and started screaming, this shows that someone on the picture was the boogeymen. Others I have discussed this with, cited the issues of when molly searched for Matt's Dad was when she got put in an unconscious state, but considering the way Molly's power is show, that the Boogeyman can see her when she thinks of him. It is plausible that she could have thought of Matt's Dad and the Boogeyman could have been in that house with him, and sensed Molly looking too closely. I may be wrong about that, but what is simply true is that Molly never said "Matt your dad is the boogeyman" or anything like that, she just began to get upset, before they could confirm what she was saying. So all that should be said is that the boogeyman is on of the 12 older Heroes. 70.21.119.27 14:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As a point of order, Sylar is the Boogeyman. Matt's dad is the person Molly says is "worse than the Boogeyman". Matt pointed to his father in the picture, and Molly freaked out and said "Please don't make me find him... He is the nightmare man." If she was referring to someone else in the picture, this would not make sense; Matt was asking her to find his dad, not anyone else, but Molly reacted as if she has been asked to find the nightmare man. If it were someone else in the picture, Molly would have said so, and she wouldn't be so afraid to find Matt's dad. Wanderer32 01:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Last night's episode, Fight or Flight (Heroes) confirmed that Matt's father was indeed the person Molly found. His own statements and the use of his power also prove that he is the nightmare man. ZZ Claims~ Evidence 20:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hes the Nightmare man, not the BoogyMan. Baaleos 16:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He is both the "Nightmare" and the "Boogy" man. When she looks for him she is taken away to his house (in her mind) she says that is what he has been trying to do. He scares people. He locked Matt in a room with his wife and Nathan where his brother "died". Maury is conclusively the boogey man also because all of the people (as of last episode) have been tracked down. She wouldn't call the mysterious woman the boogey man. And whoever stated Sylar is "worse than the boogey man" you are correct. But he is not the boogeyman. He doesn't have a power that would let on that he had a power to manipulate the mind (except telekinesis). thanks!! Hooty88888 (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, How to Stop an Exploding Man showed that Sylar was the boogeyman, and Maury was shown to be the Nightmare Man in Fight or Flight. KC109 (talk) 23:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Molly to Have her own article
I think it has been confirmed that Molly Walker is going to play a big part in the second series. I think I know how. . . but before I get to that point, I think somone should make an attempt at giving her an article. ♠ Anyhow, I believe, believe it or not, that the person who killed Kaito Nakamura was "MOLLY", I believe Matt Parkman's dad is using his power to get into her dreams, and using her power of "Clairevoyance" (maybe wrong spelling) to in a way, astral project to the people he is trying to kill. I know her power isnt "Astral" Projection initially, but then again, Matt's power wasnt initially being able to "speak into minds" either. How much you wana bet that everytime somone has been attacked by the "killer" that Molly has been having a nightmare, also, put this together with the drawings she has been doing, people's faces with Helix over them. (Like the photo's, one could argue, that these photo's are the images she is being shown while asleep, to make her "project" to her victims.)
 * I dont think she is evil, but I think an evil person, Parkman's dad, is using her power to do Evil.
 * I know this is original research, but I would ask people to leave this paragraph intact, just in case it turns out I got the plot right on the head. (proves how intuitive I was :P)Baaleos 16:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Second part of this article is void. We already know that the killer is Adam Monroe/Takezo Kensei. Hooty88888 (talk) 19:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Molly should have her own article and plays a big role. I hear that she may become a regular. But anyway, the reason Molly was drawing those nightmarish pictures was because I think her cliarvoyant powers are psychic and being a psychic is naturally drawn to the king of psychic powers, telepaths and telepathy and since Maury is the Nightmare Man she probably is drawn to him and therefore sees what he is doing and what he is even thinking about due to a psychic link established. That's what I say. How do you get pictures on here? Elemental5293 (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We should probably hold off on the personal opinions. We should all probably stick to fact for now :) Hooty88888 (talk) 00:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Ted Sprague to be merged in here
Information in Ted Sprague article is mainly plot description and certainly can be shortened enough that the character joins the main article. -- Magioladitis 19:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got no objection. He was central to the season one plot, but that doesn't make him a major character.  That being said, we need to keep track of where we put people.  We are starting to get quite a few articles going and I'm starting to question some of them (Like, do we really need a separate list of Minor Characters vs. Minor Characters with Abilities?).  Padillah 14:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have not problem with the minor characters/minor char. with abilities separation (maybe we have to reconsider in the future of course). My biggest problem is the new articles for characters poping up "just in case the become important" like Alejandro for example. The normal tactic is that IF some character is worth mentioning THEN we have to make a separate article. -- Magioladitis 15:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The decision to make seperate pages for Bob and Molly Walker was discussed on the main page discussion board and agreed upon. their were no objections.--Chrisisinchrist 16:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I am referring go the Alejandro article and to the Charlie one (which was deleted after some time). I've no problem with the Bob article but I believe in the future we may write one for the "12" alltogether. -- Magioladitis 16:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I disagree. If Ted is put in, why not put Eden in too? Ted was far more important to the plot. Moreso than Claude as well, and Hana. As such, it's worth keeping the main guest stars out. Either only have active guests, or keep the main ones. Aside from Angela and Linderman, Ted's the most deserving of a page there is. Just needs a bit of tidying up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.81.69 (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we have to merge Eden as well. Sorry. -- Magioladitis 22:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

And Hana, Claude and the big one I forgot, CANDICE. Who has not been critical to the plot in any way. If you merge Ted, all 5 should go in. Alejandro shouldn't have been made in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.245.79 (talk) 17:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I already have proposed Alejandro for merging and I never supported the creation of an article for him. Hana plays an important role in the novels and in the Heroes 360 experience. for the other I don't know. The problem with the article about Ted is that mainly consists from plot description and I'm pretty sure this information can be shortened. If someone improves the article I' ll change my opinion. As you see I didn't merge it yet but I'm waiting for suggestions. --Magioladitis 18:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Please give me until the end of Sunday night (UK time). Ted will be a strong wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.81.29 (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey. You have more time if you want. Friendly, Magioladitis 22:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't merge Ted Sprague's article with the minor charachters article.

yeah, a bit more time... say this sunday? sorry, interview at cambridge dec 3rd is distractin me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.83.148 (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't touch the article! I believe thta you want to fix it. You have more time if you want. Please sign your comments. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Claude should stay, but Ted, Alejandro, and Candice should be merged, since they're dead. I think D.L. could stand to remain his own article for a while, at least. --Piemanmoo (talk) 06:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Easy. Just the main characters keep their articles. All the relevant info is covered there. For minor characters, a brief summary is enough. And merge Claude as well. You can see, how nicely this can be done, check Alejandro. For example for Claude: ''A former employee by the company who can become invisible. When he decided to quit, the company decided to kill him. He escaped, leaving the company convinced that they finished him off. Later, when Peter Petrelli meets him, he becomes his mentor and teaches him how to control his acquired powers.'' And that's more or less enough. --Tone 20:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Those with Unknown Abilities
Specifically, the others at the head of the Company. It has been said a few times that the core founders of the company were all people with special abilities. This means that Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura, and Charles Deveaux (and those other one-off minor characters) all have (or had) abilities. Anyone else think that something on this page should be devoted to those confirmed to have abilities, but with no indication to what specific ability they posses? 72.198.6.171 (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It was said that the founders of the company were people with great power, not neccesarily all with special ailities. --Piemanmoo (talk) 21:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Which Mr.Petrelli are you talking about? There are three of them.

Someone took off my info about Kaito Nakamura's powers. It is in the deleted scenes of Episode 1 of Season two box set. Why did they take it off when I have proof? I just didn't know how to source it at the bottom of the page. --Revan46 - 17:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted scenes are not cannon. Usually there are just abandoned ideas by the producers. The column "Known Power" in the article should be read as "Known Power shown in the show so far". -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Pretty sure in this case they said they didn't have time for the scene, it would have been part of the story but they found it insignificant enough for the episode. But I will bite until they say it is the power shown in the scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revan46 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Charlie's memory
Charlie's memory was eidetic. It was picture perfect beyond a short period of time with little exposure to the source material. Eidetic memory is not naturally attainable and is not simply really good. It's measured by remembering the pattern of random dots on a page an hour after having seen it for 30 sec. No one has EVER passed. Please stop changing it. Padillah (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Graphic novel characters
I think the table in the List of Heroes characters is enough and we may deleted the section. What do you think? -- Magioladitis 00:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that what Americans are best at is inventing new forms of conspicuous consumption. A man who sells snow guns for personal use (so that the kids can play in the snow even when the weather doesn't oblige) says, "New Jersey is a big area for us. There's no snow, and lots of disposable income."Keepmesane (talk) 23:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am trying to restart the conversation in Talk:List of characters in Heroes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Amid
Amid was basically Ted Sprague before Ted Sprague. He had a wife that died from his radiation and he was supposed to be on 9/11 before he dropped out to be with his wife. He also had a connection with Matt Parkman, shown at the end. hIs name is on Chandra's list, too. He was in the unaired pilot. I can't seem to find a mention of him anywhere here, though. 206.159.155.148 (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because he was in the unaired pilot. It's not part of the Heroes series. QuasiAbstract (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Matt Neuenberg's ability
I think it's a little too early to be labeling Matt's ability. It's not presented as "remembering" it's presented as "knowing" (a la John Doe). Admittedly the effect could be produced by either system almost identically but I think it's a little early to tell the difference. Padillah (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, John Doe would know to run when the Company shows up. And the cover page refers to his "gift of memory". He doesn't know everything, just information readily available to him. Wanderer32 (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The cover page ref does limit the possibilities quite a bit, good point. However, in point of fact John Doe didn ' t know Digger was part of the Pheonix Organization so... :P Padillah (talk) 13:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Abu Aswan
In the graphic novel, Abu "has the power to levitate and move extremely heavy objects." Would this be that he is the one who is levitating or can he levitate the extremely heavy objects? Splitting hairs, I know, but still... ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 18:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that's what the cover page says, but he wasn't actually shown levitating anything. All we saw him do is lift a boulder. If a future appearance clarifies his power as tactile telekinesis or gravity manipulation or whatever, we can change it then, but the boulder-lifting thing is all we have to go on right now. Wanderer32 (talk) 23:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Ben Franklin
Should we mention ben Franklin in here? I know it never says he has a power, but it is implied, just like Angela Petrelli. If there is a source that confirms he had a power that would be great. BioYu-Gi! (talk) 16:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't, though it points to him being impervious (at least to electricity), there have been so many people who have walked away from being hit by lightning with little effect, this could be nothing more than a mislead. (Just look at the "dinosaur" Hiro was foreseen to attack).  Basically, unless we get something concrete, it's no more than OR. ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 22:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

anyone knows?
if i am not wrong, there is 1 boy that show-up in season 1 that can absorb oxygen and nearly kill all his classmate, but only in news form by Future Natan (when become president). Anyone knows?--202.162.196.195 (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a boy mentioned in "Five Years Gone". With so little information about the boy, we can't viably add the character, especially that the boy doesn't affect the plot at all. ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 13:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Is Elle really a "main character" at this point?
As of the end of Volume Two, she's not really played any bigger role in the series than, say, her father Bob, West Rosen, or Angela Petrelli, all of whom are listed as secondary. What exactly makes Elle one of the main characters over these others? Haleym76 (talk) 00:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * On Wikipedia, "main character" refers not to a character's importance to a story, but whether the actor or actress received star billing. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  01:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

ARG canon?
Is the Alternate Reality Game considered canon? I only ask because of a recent edit. An email from the ARG quotes "Linda Tavara was one messed up girl. She got to know one of Molly Walker's relatives well, maybe too well.   Check it out at http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/." Would it be too speculative to say that the "one of Molly Walker's relatives" would be Ida May Walker? It seems logical, but there is a small leap to get to the same conclusion. ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 12:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Candace Willmer?
I was just wondering if Candice Wilmer's name is ever seen in a written source on screen(not including subtitles) as there is a character on Chandra's list called Candace Willmer which may be the same character. User:Garhdo


 * It is the same character and just a typo. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  14:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Linderman to be merged here
Information in Daniel Linderman article is mainly plot description and certainly can be shortened enough that the character joins the main article. The character appeared in very few episodes in the first two seasons. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  03:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Entry for Charles Deveaux?
Why is there no entry here for Charles Deveaux? He appeared more times than Brian Davis, Dale Smither, or Zane Taylor. His inclusion in "the photograph" would suggest he had a power of some sort. --T smitts (talk) 09:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Enhanced memory vs. Eidetic memory
Okay, can we quit with the revert war and just discuss it here instead? For these reasons, I vote for calling it "Eidetic memory". Wanderer32 (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The commonly used term for this ability is "Eidetic memory". Also, that's what our article on it is called.
 * 2) That oft-cited Primatech site calls it "Enhanced memory", but it also says "also known as eidetic memory". This makes both terms canon, and claims of one term being "prominent" strikes me as OR.
 * 3) Primatech is not infallible. The site is presented as being "in-universe", and thus is only as accurate as the agents who are supposed to be writing it. And as far as I know, the Company has never shown an agent with the power of infallibility.
 * 4) This does not make "Enhanced memory" an official term. For all we know, they just got it from HeroesWiki. (I think they came up with "Intuitive aptitude", too.)
 * 5) "Enhanced memory" isn't even specific. It doesn't say anything about what's "enhanced" about it.
 * 6) NBC's writers do not have authority over the English language. They don't get to decide that a preexisting word means something it doesn't.
 * 7) We are an encyclopedia, not a fansite. HeroesWiki can embarrass themselves by sticking to silly terms that are supposedly official. We don't. Our priority should be on using the most accurate term, even if it's not the one the writers chose. We've been using "transmutation", "radiation manipulation", "electric manipulation", and "technopathy" instead of "alchemy", "induced radioactivity", "lightning", and "talking to machines".


 * I support Eidetic Memory. The article on Eidetic memory says no human has ever shown this trait, which would make it sufficiently "superhuman". Padillah (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I support Eidetic Memory too. It's more scientific and specific. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * But Heroes isn't science, it's fiction. 1. Commonly based on what? 2. It puts enhanced directly where it defines as the person's ability and puts the other offhand and not in the text. 3. That is certainly OR 4. Kind of OR, just an extension of 3 5. Enhanced is kind of obvious in the fact that it means they have more memory. It's entirely straightforward and not confusing at all; how many people know what eidetic means? 6. They're not changing anything. 7. An encyclopedia shows facts and them saying it makes it their power. If you want a note, fine they all link to the same place. Really it all comes down to sticking to one damn name, we can't be using both at the same time. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of those are fair arguments, but others... not so much. 1) Commonly baised on, that's what it is called. Kind of like "interpreting glyphs placed together in groups" is commonly called "reading". 2) Granting significance to a phrases placement that is not attributed by the original author is OR. Unless the site says "this is the true name but we may call it something else later" this is the same OR Wanderer32 was using, just backwards. 3) See #2 4) See #2 5) Enhanced is not at all obvious "How enhanced" is the first question that comes to mind. Can he remember everything or does he have a dead zone? Can he remember it for time and all eternity or just a few hours? "Enhanced" is subjective. It suggests a normal memory that has been augmented. 6) No, the writers are not changing anything. We are if we try to insist that "Enhanced" is the same as "Eidetic". 7) And in-universe that is a good enough excuse. The article should use RW terminology when appropriate, and the distinction between "Better than your memory" and "Perfectly accurate for years to come" is a distinction I think we need to make. padillaH (review me)(help me) 18:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. So: 1. I meant how many people would call a people with a supernatural memory "eidetic" and opposed to "enhanced" how can we know that? 2. I guess that's fair. 3 and 4 I don't understand what you mean by look at two. 5. How is eidetic more specific. Here I'd actually like to place another candidate, photographic memory which is much more seen in literature (from what I've read) and is not limited to pictures. It's exactly what they do. It also has much more google hits in an advanced search for english only links, not controlled for file types.   6. Makes sense. 7. How do we make it? Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a little haphazzard but it's the best way to stay coherent (now that's a dichotomy). OK, in 3 and 4 I meant just because one side let's some OR slip doesn't mean we can counter it with more OR. The argument that Primatech is not infalible is just as much OR as the argument that they are. We either accept that site as canon or we don't. And I think I am most partial to "Perfect Memory". While not necessarily the name of a power so much as a description it's the best moniker I can think of. Unambiguous, short, appropriate, non-OR... The only real argument against this is that it's not the "name" of a power but the description. To that I'd have to respond - then "naming" the powers is going to be considered OR or it comes directly from Primatech with no filtration. What say yee? padillaH (review me)(help me) 03:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well it doesn't seem to be perfect, though, right? Neuenberg's mind pretty much exploded. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, "perfect memory" and "infinite capacity" are two different things. A computer will remember everything it has in it's hard drive under working conditions, but it can't remember more than it can possibly hold.  So, "perfect memory" could work, even though he couldn't hold the entire database of the Company. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 08:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe we should name the power as eidetic, as it is cited and it's the scientific name. I've heard people use eidetic more than just referring to Heroes, my psychology class, for instance, but just because a term is not widely used, should we lessen our usage of it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That's why we have the wikilinks, for people who don't understand certain terminology. I wouldn't be against the usage of another term, however, but something less ambiguous than "enhanced". In my own experience, "Photographic memory" has been the most widely used and I've seen Eidetic and Photographic interchanged. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib}


 * Okay, so sorry to scratch at an old sore, but why is this still the same? I thought it would be Photographic Memory now. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Who, besides you, actually agreed to that? Wanderer32 (talk) 05:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There isn't any need for snark. QuasiAbstract also said it was the most common form. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except he/she (whichever) said he/she chose eidetic. Wanderer32 (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Claude
Somehow, in the transition from his original page to here, Claude's section seems to have been severely reduced. As it is now, the entire section is focused only on his power of invisibility. It provides no information as to what role he provides in the series, such as training Peter or his history with the Company. Ophois (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

The Healer
I never saw any proof that she had any actual ability. She seemed more like those fake psychics who notice how gullible many people are, decide to pretend to be psychic, become well-known, become rich by receiving money from believers. The last part is like how parasites get blood from their victims.

I say the Healer is at the stage 2, just beginning the career of fooling the gullible. Series premiere (remake) (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, that means I think we should remove her from this list. Series premiere (remake) (talk) 08:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Removing. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 21:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Benjamin Franklin, again
In the comic, Franklin claims to have been hit by more lightning than a human can withstand. Except that humans have withstood lightning before. The lightning bolt could have been 1 million volts and he could have withstood it. Should this claim be taken as an assumption that Franklin has a power? Nothing else has been said, and I can't find anything on the net to say one way or the other. I believe we should take it out unless we get a better indication that he actually has a power. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 21:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He not only takes in the charge but puts it into a cat. Not just static electricity, but directly putting the rest of the charge in the cat. Also, Yamagato Fellowship had started a short-lived trend that time to add "heroes" that were revealed in the comic to be posthumans (Khufu being the other). Direct quote from the comic by Priestly, "Benjamin, himself, somehow absorbed the charge. Enough electricity to kill a man. And he walked away unscathed . (writer's emphasis) No, the world is not ready for that part of the story yet. Perhaps it never shall be." The writer's implication is clearly to show he has an ability, despite normal people having survived without one. Maybe he didn't know, but it is transparent that this was his intent. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Kaito Nakamura
I went to edit the section for Kaito Nakamura and saw that his power listed as "Unknown" should not be changed on the basis of a deleted scene from the series. However, I felt that it was relevant enough to include it under the character's entry and noted that it was not considered canon. I also left his superpower description unchanged. 68.93.177.30 (talk) 14:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly don't think it should be listed as his power because deleted scenes are noncanon to viewers and the writers. However, I think it should warrant a note at the very least. Therequiembellishere (talk) 14:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted scenes are deleted for a reason - they are not part of the show. I don't see what posting a "note" about it would do. I also don't know the difference between a "note" mentioning it and just mentioning it. If we put it in the article it will be in the article, no amount of qualifying will stop that. And since it's not a valid reference it shouldn't be in the article. padillaH (review me)(help me) 20:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We should cover his character development background, including what his power was going to be. Listing it as his power is not "just mentioning it." It's claiming that he has that power, unlike noting that he was going to have it. It is a valid reference for what was planned. - Josh (talk | contribs) 21:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I got it, out-of-universe and all that. Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. padillaH (review me)(help me) 22:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. Semiprotection helps discussion :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Scenes could be deleted to save some time, I think it should be added for the readers benefit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PelltheFalcon (talk • contribs)
 * There's no valid reference for it. Deleted scenes aren't valid references. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 21:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see why there's an argument about it. All you have to do is say "A deleted scene from the Heroes Season 2 dvd has Kaito showcasing a power..." and then describe it, etc. Just state that most consider it non-canonical and that it still remains to be seen if his power ends up being the same as in the scene. Honestly, it's not like it's getting pulled out of thin air. State the source and say it's not cannon. More information (as long as it's true) never hurts. Honestly, I think Kaito should have a page of his own anyway with all this info and more, simply because there's a lot of info about him (what's more, Kring said we haven't seen the last of him). Jcavonpark (talk) 04:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

For me the question is: What exactly we want to be written in this article? My opinion is that we want to write short profiles of each character "with special abilities". Keep in mind that the article is called "List of...". If we keep adding every short detail, in fact we are writing episode plots and not character profiles. I have no problem with the addition of the deleted scene but I am afraid that we give undue weight to it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

His power is Probability prediction. Tim Kring said that Kaito Nakamura’s power was intentionally revealed on the DVD for hardcore fans but he does not know when TV viewers will learn of his power. This clearly explains that his power is probability prediction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.190.18 (talk) 11:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree the entry for Kaito Nakamure should receive an edit. Claiming that is not part of the series just because a scene was cut is non-sensical to me. The scene was written, shot and the creator of the series commented on it. Though not actually seen on television I still think it is valid to list his power as it normally would have been. Be sure to add notes that it is only revealed in a deleted scene and could be revealed later and is subject to change. For reference, here is the (english) transcript of the scene in question:

Ando hands Kaito a newspaper and some coffee (as seen in the show).

Ando: But how are you so certain he’ll return?

Kaito: Like Hiro, I too have a special ability. Mine is to see the variables of any situation and predict the outcome.

Ando: You’re like a computer?

Kaito: I’m faster. How do you think I’ve done so well in the stock market?

Kaito then proceeds to open the newspaper Ando just handed him. He flips open the stock reports and the viewer sees his power in action. Information is being filtered out and we see words hovering over the newspaper page: several companies who are on the rise on the stock exchange. He then folds the paper and the scene resumes as normal, he notices that a picture of him has fallen out of the newspaper with the red symbol across his face.

Proposed power description: Hyper Fast statistical analysis and prediction. Morgath (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The fact is we cannot actually list Kaito's powers until it is part of the show's canon. As stated previously, deleted scenes are non-canon. If Kring did, in fact, reveal that this was Kaito's power, then cite the reference. It is not a matter of right and wrong. I, too, believe that this is Kaito's power, but if we do not literally hear the words out of the mouths of a character on the actual, TV show, the canon which is displayed on NBC every week (not in deleted scenes) or out of a creator, we cannot add it. It does not conform to Wikipedia's standards.--Vg0131 (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Alehandro's ability
According to this interview, Alehandro can only heal those who were affected by Maya's ability, he can't revive them, I'd add it, but the page is blocked against non registered members. 189.60.135.144 (talk) 22:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Paulette Hawkins
Since it was revealed that Ms. Hawkins had a power, shouldn't she be in the "Special abilities" section? Just a thought. Sorry for any inconvenience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.154.20 (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Angela Petrelli
Just sheer speculation, what exactly is her power? From what I've observed in season 2, I think it has something to do with persuasion using a verbal command combined with physical contact and/or eye contact. The scene in S2E8 "Four Months Ago" with Heidi and Angela in the corridor at the hospital Nathan is in springs to mind, and there are other scenes which might hint at this. Morgath (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Her power as stated in S3EP1 is Precog, just like Peters--Sean.loves.wow (talk) 03:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Mohinder Suresh
In the episode The Second Coming Mohinder injects him self with a formula that gives him special abilities. Why isn't he listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.214.221.81 (talk) 04:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The Mohinder Suresh page has added his abilities with a very specific "from injection" tag. We should seriously discuss whether or not to add Mohinder here at least until the third episode, especially so we can understand whether any side effects change his ability and/or kill him, etc..--Vg0131 (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It states what Jesse Murphy"s powers are!
In the clip where Noah Bennet is showing the profiles of the villains that escaped it says Jesse Murphy sound manipulation. So the page should be updated! if you don't believe me check the clip on MSN.com for yourself and pause it when he is flipping through the characters. I did not notice it at first till I saw it again with my friend. Roberto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.93.74 (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the appropriate pages already have his power listed. Ophois (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Avril Levign's birthday, really?
No offense to miss Levigne but is this someone hacking the page or real? I can't find anything in the page that's doing it but I don't see this on any other page I watch. Anybody got any idea what's going on? Padillah (talk) 17:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the page. If I blank the page it goes away. I'll find it. Padillah (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Removing the "Recurring, secondary, and guest characters" section gets rid of it, but so does removing everything but that section. Oh, and I'm pretty sure it's a vandalized template, as the word "avril" does not appear in the article's source code. - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Template:Comic book reference. - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I was getting close but I was messing with Eden McCain and couldn't get there in time. Big ups, man. Can we get rid of it easily? Padillah (talk) 18:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I'm really confused. I already reverted the change to the template. - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There, I just went around the redirected template. Doesn't solve the vandalism though. Padillah (talk) 18:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It must have been an outdated cache. Copying the article's source code (from before your edit) to the sandbox no longer reproduces the error. - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Are templates done server-side? The servers cache needed to refresh and there is nothing we can do about it. I've checked other pages and it appears to be gone now. Padillah (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Jesse and Echo
According the Company tracking files, Echo has a half-brother named Jesse who was often in trouble with the law. Both Echo and Jesse Murphy have the power of sound manipulation. Would it be speculation at this point to say that Jesse Murphy and Echo are half-brothers? Ophois (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think so. You're probably right, but until they make a decision, I don't think we can say so. Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Daphne Millbrook
I've merged Daphne Millbrook into this list, given that the character does not warrant a full article at this point in time. The text could use a once-over, to make it fit the style of the other sections. --Ckatz chat spy  08:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The German and Niki/Jessica/Tracy
When Tracy visits Dr. Zimmerman, they flashed a picture of Zimmerman, Either Tracy, Niki, or Barbara(didn't say), someone else, and someone who looks very much like the German. Here's part of the screenshot. Am I the only one who believes that is Ken Lally (who played the German)? ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, what does it matter? You can take a picture with anybody. It's not even good in-universe proof. I don't know what possible line of logic this could take. Padillah (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I don't really know. I suppose it was really nothing more than me trying to make a connection, but you're right.  It's nothing important, for now anyway. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib}