Talk:List of Impact Wrestling personnel/Archive 2

Christian Cage
Isn't Christian going back to the WWE?YoMamma6188 (talk) 01:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That is speculation. He is still under contract with TNA.-- Will C  02:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
As with the WWE roster page, pictures should be limited to the following:

Champions (Sting, Booker T, Kong, Beer Money)

GM/Authority figures (Jarrett and Foley)

Top executives (Dixie Carter)

Only change them when they are replaced in whatever role i.e. new champions, new GM etc.

Thanks.

Vjmlhds 22:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I just placed whatever images I could find when I placed them in there. Also you forgot X division Champion in your list so he can also be used if a suitable picture is not found of other champions.-- Will C  23:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

sorry did not know this had been talked about.i believe that the photos make it look to cluttered.CMJMEM (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

As long as the pics are limited to Champions and GMs, it's not too bad.

We don't need everybody and their grandmother up there, but a few pics of those in the upper echelon add some color to what would be a dull article otherwise with just the tables.

Vjmlhds 04:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We need a picture of Bill Banks or Dave Oliver for the Other personnel section. I believe each section should have a photo that is decent.-- Will C  04:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can find one, great, if not, that is the one section that live without a picture, as none of those people are in the public eye anyway.

Vjmlhds 04:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It might be worth saying since an active discussion is going on here that a discussion involving User:CMJMEM is at WP:ANI. If anybody wants to comment.  SteelersFan- 9 4  04:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Table Presentation
Has any thought been given to fixing how the tables are presented on this article? Unlike the tables on the WWE Employee page, the tables here are so unaligned and sloppily put together a good portion of the article is pretty much unreadable. They need to be re-sized badly. Hot Stuff International (talk) 13:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, if you thought the WWE roster page was bad, this is a whole lot worse. TheJay Experience 06:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, how? The tables are the same as the WWE page. They are just not centered because in my mind it is sloppy to have them centered. The size of the tables are the same as the WWE as well.-- Will C  05:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

At the very least fix the "Other On Air Talent" section; it looks as if it were put together in two seconds with a second's worth of thought. Horribly put together. Hot Stuff International (talk) 08:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What, that some of the names span two roles?-- Will C  08:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It looks like utter shit. But if you're happy with it, what more is there to say? Hot Stuff International (talk) 14:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the tables so that the names fit into each box (Ring Name & Real Name), and the references are in the Notes box...just like the WWE Employee page. But I'm sure this will be overridden within a matter of minutes by Wrestlinglover! Why do we even try to contribute anymore... (LucyDoo (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

Excellent! It looks exactly as it should have from the start. If he were to revert your helpful fix, he'd be quite the moron. Hot Stuff International (talk) 04:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. I like what you have done.-- Will C  03:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's it. I'm tired of this shit. I'm the one that spent my own time to expand the article and give it references. I said I liked what she did to the article. There is no reason for you to act so arrogant. You could have told me what was wrong with the article instead of bitching about it. In all due respect there is no reason to seem so high and mighty when I was trying to talk about the problems and you were being starcastic.-- Will C  04:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Referees
I was in the midst of putting referee's into their own table, to have more space for additional on air talent. Plus, if we have 4 individuals for one position, it makes for better organizing to have a referee table. In a matter of 10 seconds, it was reverted back. Last time I checked, its a wikipedia members page. Just my 2 cents. Anyone agree?

As for spanish announce team, they should be listed under other personnel since they are not "regular" tna on air talent.

--NickSparrow (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The referees table is fine. But why do you never discuss it before you do it? You move Hector and Willie to other personnel section when they are normally seen on tv all the time. Commentators go in on air section. Plus you repeatedly remove sourced workers for the company. Karl White is on TNA wrestling.com and is sourced but you have removed him multiple times.-- Will C  23:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. By explaining it to me, there is no need for a edit war. Would be nice if it was resolved this way all the time. We can leave it how its been. As I said before. Im a very easy and compromising guy. You were okay with my edits to the corporate management section, therefore in return, I will let the other on-air talent section stay as is. --NickSparrow (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and make a referees table. The wwe article has one and as I see on TNA Wrestling.com they have five referees which is reasonable. I'm all for changes to the article to make it better but discussion needs to take place more. If the article was fully protected it would make this easier but there is no reason for that. I'm find with the changes that have been made lately but it would be better if people would just discuss everything more often. That is what this article is for. For making decisions to the article and not bitching like some lately have been doing or taking shots at people.-- Will C  00:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As I've said they are regulars. Tenay and West introduce them almost every Impact. They are seen on the Spanish broadcast of the show aswell.-- Will C  23:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats fine, but the other on-air talent is becoming a rather large table, when by simply giving refs their own table, will clear up the main roster portion. We all want this table to be nice, neat, organized, and accurate. I have nothing againt you, as you have done some great work, but you need to chill on some aspects and work with the other members to work as a team on this page. their and my views on edits/changes counts just as same as your. There are things you will like, but others wont, and vice versa. I find it disrespectful that you quickly revert the page, when I made this edit, without consulting with me or discussing it. Its everyones page.--NickSparrow (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I reverted not just because of the referees table. I'm fine with that. add it. I just mainly reverted because of Hector being moved and Willie and someone else's name being removed in the process. I'm all for discussion. But everyone just bitches and will not say anything. I also immediately following reverting contacted you on your talk page but you refused to reply on my talk page.-- Will C  00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the referee's table, before I give them their own table, where is the best location on the page? Roster or Corporate Management?

I have considered renaming the Corporate Management section to "Additional employees" and by placing "Other personnel" as a category in that section. Since Referees dont really count as corporate management or active roster members.

Just wondering what everyone thought, before I made any changes?

--NickSparrow (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I would place it under On Air Talent, where it use to be when the article was bullet points.-- Will C  00:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming order
What way does everyone want the order of names to appear in the article. By first ring name, last ring name, first real name, or last real name?-- Will C  05:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The way it is organized currently is okay with me. I believe WWE roster is organized by first letter in their ring name. Both ways are proper ways or organizing.--NickSparrow (talk) 19:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem there is no consistency. It should either be done by the first letter of first word or the first letter of the second word. AJ is in the S section and there are others who go by their last name and some go by the first letter of the ring name. It needs to be consistent.-- Will C  20:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your point, but for as long as I can remember, thats how this page has been organized, consistant or not. There will always be someone to change it. To clear it all up, take a look at wwe's roster page, and their organized by first letter in their ring name. Batista is in the "b" section, Cody Rhodes is in the "c" section. I like that way. By implementing it here, booker t will be in the "b" section, Shark Boy in the "s" section, Samoa Joe in the "s" section, Eric Young in the "e" section, and so on. Even on tnawrestling.com and wwe.com, this is how their roster is organized. That way, everyone is on the same page.--NickSparrow (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. Going by first letter is fine as long as they are all in the right section. Though I would perfer by real name but whatever.-- Will C  21:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright then, have we all decided to officially state that the way this page will be organized is by the first letter of their ring name (may it be their real name (Kevin Nash) or other name (Abyss))? That way, this page will be consistent on organizing this page. Unless anyone is against it, I will start the changeover tonight and work on it into tomorrow. Will, I will try and take care of the male and female wrestlers, if you or anyone else would like to help out, it would be greatly appreciated in other ares of this page.--NickSparrow (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, It should have Abyss at top, Angle does not follow. He will be in the K section.-- Will C  22:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I took care of part of the page. Male wrestlers, female wrestlers, and other personnel need changed. I will try and work on it some more later today, but im taking a break for a few hours.--NickSparrow (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Suicide
Suicide should go under unassigned talent since he is debut soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Problem is, no one has a reliable who is playing him.-- Will C  01:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Correct. I'm wondering if the person who get's "fired" at the end of the year,will re appear like Chris Daniels did last year.  SteelersFan- 9 4  07:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Debuts
Al Snow debuted last night as Kurt Angle's new associate, interfering in his match with Rhino and Suicide (portrayed by Kaz) debuted attacking Alex Shelley. TheJay Experience 07:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Problem. We do not know if Snow's appearence was a full time thing or one time. Plus there is no reliable source that says Suicide is Kaz. Just a bunch of rumors.-- Will C  09:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * PWInsider confirmed Kaz played Suicide and Al Snow is scheduled for this weeks tapings. http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=35137&p=1 --NickSparrow (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * PWinsider is not a reliable source.-- Will C  23:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Have you gone CRAZY Will?!?!?! PWInsider IS a reliable source.  If they are not, then who is?  Tell me now. Canamerican (talk) 03:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrestling Observer, WWE.com, TNA Wrestling.com, ROH Wrestling.com, WrestleView which is marginally reliable, so it can't be used here, Canadian Online Explorer, PWTorch, and that's all I can think of now. PWI is reliable. PWinsider is not.-- Will C  04:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I ask for people to quit saying that Kaz is Suicide without providing a reliable source, so that the article follows guidelines within wikipedia. Until a reliable source is presented Kaz should remain in Unassigned talent and Suicide should remain unknown.-- Will C  08:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Tanahashi & Volador
Are they still apart of the TNA roster? TheJay Experience 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * They were never part of the roster. They were from CMLL, whom TNA has an agreement with to use their wrestlers on a semi-regular basis.-- Will C  08:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Two Talents
Two talents who were big names in WWE have apparently signed with TNA according to Pwinsider. Someone with elite site access there please post those names. (Aallen1995 (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC))

Kevin Sullivan
Is the Kevin Sullivan under other personnel the same as the wrestler Kevin Sullivan or not? (Aallen1995 (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

ECW Alumni
Tony Luke, Guido Maritato, The Sandman, and Sabu were all given contracts with TNA on August 19, 2010 so whoever is removing them from the list stop it please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aallen1995 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes
We'll leave it some time to cool down to discuss the edits. Once agreement's been reached, send a request to unprotect. Cheers, Poor Yorick (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for protecting it. I hated that it had to be protected, but if this makes people discuss than just acting, it will help. Now will everyone please leave their problems and complaints here. Please discuss more about changing than just complaining because complaining does not help the article at all.-- Will C  10:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Will. Thank you Poor Yorick. Cheers, JakeDHS07  11:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

What's the beef?

I assume it's the Kaz/Suicide thing, correct?

Vjmlhds 14:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That and Christian's status seem to be argument points. Cheers, JakeDHS07  20:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Plus no one wants to discuss, they just want to act. Everything should be discussed, from moving, removing, adding, and changing people. Crap people have been acting and a few references were removed as a result that did not need to be removed.-- Will C  22:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)-- Will  C  22:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well let me get the ball rolling as far as discussion goes.

1. Christian is a TNA guy (albeit inactive) until something comes out that says his contract is up and he's a free agent.

2. PWInsider is the one who reported that Kaz is playing Suicide. They're usually pretty reliable when it comes to stuff like this.

Agree?

Disagree?

Let's count heads here and see how it goes.

Vjmlhds 22:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well considering it is widely known that Cage's contract is up in December, it just matters which day. But until someone brings a reliable source that states he is no longer under contract, he shows up in another promotion, or shows back up on Impact!, I guess he should stay where he is. PWInsider is not a reliable source according to the project's style guide. A source from Wrestling Observer, not a source from a site that credits The Wrestling Observer, but the actual source is needed; or one from another reliable source such as PWTorch or Canadian Online Explorer.-- Will C  23:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

100% with you on Christian, the way it's noted on the roster now is exactly the way it should stay, and anything different will be incorrect.

I'll poke around the Observer and the Torch to see if there's something there I can reference to put the Kaz/Suicide thing to bed.

The Kaz/Suicide thing is one of deals where you know who it is, you just gotta prove it.

Vjmlhds 23:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * True, I agree it is probably Kaz but Kaz is still injured and the last time I looked there was the possiblity that Suicide could be Amazing Red.-- Will C  00:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the Christian part however hate to burst your bubble Will but Suicide cant be Amazing Red for two reasons, A) He no longer works for TNA, and B) He hasnt returned from the surgery he had on his knees yet, his return is set for December 13th. Cheers, JakeDHS07  08:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying he is Amazing Red, I'm just saying at one point it was rumored to be Amazing Red.-- Will C  08:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Rumors have no place here. This is a encloypedia. :P lol Cheers, JakeDHS07  10:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Shaun you didn't own me. You must not be able to read very well, though you were drunk yesterday when we talked. I know rumors aren't allowed without a reliable source, I'm just saying that it was once rumored to be Amazing Red. That is why we need a source. Now, talk to you later Timmy. Will C  10:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is there protection
Is there a reason this page has been edited until March 9th, 2009. Thats absolutly the most dumbest thing I have ever seen if true. The page is already not up to date. Imagine what it will look like come March. I also love how, I was in the middle of getting the page properly organized, when the protection was put up. So not only, is a few names out of date (curry man, suicide, kaz, stables, etc.), but the page is half organized properly. So now the page is worse off then ever before, because at least it stayed up to date for the most part.--NickSparrow (talk) 03:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also people were not discussing. They were just doing and the page needed protection because of the Suicide stuff. There are administrators from the Pro wrestling project who can edit the page. A consensus is need first. Curry Man can be changed, Suicide and Kaz are fine since no one has given a reliable source that Kaz is Suicide and it has been rumored to be Kaz, Amazing Red, Chris Daniels, and even Low Ki.-- Will C  04:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nick Aldiz needs to be changed to "Brutus Magnus", as the hype videos started this past week. I read that Kaz injured himself again at the last set of tapings, so it puts him on the shelf, and the "Suicide" gimmick in question. Plus, the male wrestlers still have to be organized correctly.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Magnus thing I can see needs to be changed. Plus no good source that states that he is Kaz has been presented yet. You've given no rleiable source that Kaz is injured again. Also the male wrestlers being organized is not that important at the moment.-- Will C  04:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Its important that the page is presented correctly and properly, so therefore...IT IS IMPORTANT...that the page is organized properly. Here is the source on Kaz being Suicide. "http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1228770993.shtml". Do you ever take the time to look for references. Its not that difficult, lol.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Daniels is Suicide (Confirmed with correct source)
http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1228770993.shtml--NickSparrow (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That is not going to get the page unprotected though. If it is unprotected then the samething that last time is going to happen. Edit war after edit war. I'm trying to be civil here so if I sound like I'm not then sorry. WrestleView is only reliable for results per the Lockdown 08, No Way Out 04, WrestleMania 24, and Armageddon 06 FAC reviews, also next time give the link because you need the ref template for those to work properly.-- Will C  04:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I did, but since we dont have a references category for this page, the references directed you nowhere. So I put the whole link in for everyone to view. Its just a shame that this page is so out of date, when it can be easily edited.  Also, no need to get upset with me, I post sources, and you immediately take offense to it. Like you dont want anyone to even help out to find sources, like you take pride in loving to redo anything anybody trys to help out on if you didn't come up with it. I do my best, post sources on what I have to work with, but I feel like you have all crapped on me, because I try and help, I try my damn best to get this page organized, and you all put a protection on it, when I think you all knew damn well, I was in the middle of organizing this page. Real shame what has come to this page.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe you should do some research because I'm not the one that got it protected. I did not go an ask for protected and certainly not for three months. The admin choose three months by looking at the history of no one talking and just acting like that please. I understand how you feel. I just go by the rules. Look at WP:PW/MOS. Look at the sources section. Under reliable sources, those are the only sources that have been proven reliable and only two or three of those can be used for such a thing like Kaz being Suicide. Don't blame me. I'm the one that took the time to convert the article to table. I'm the one that found the 100+ sources and I see people removing sourced names because they don't believe it. If everyone would discuss then maybe this article would not be protected. Be upset at the ones that did as they pleased. Not me.-- Will C  04:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is only one source at the moment that has been proven reliable and has said Kaz is Suicide. The only probelm it is one line and does not tell how they know. It is by the Wrestling Observer. Before it can be used though, it needs to be decided at WT:PW that it tells enough that it can be used to source that Kaz is Suicide on his page and on here. Plus in Final Resolution 08 December when I'm finished writing the article. Credit goes to Mshake3, who found it and presented it on Kaz's talk page.-- Will C  05:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whichever you think is best. Im just trying to figure out a way to get the kaz/suicide argument resolved. Even with the source you or I mentioned. It would be better to use them, until a more reliable one becomes available. No matter how hard we try to make everything 100% accurate, someone will always edit it. If we can all agree on that, and kudos to the user who finds a more reliable source, just for the sake of this page to move on.  That, along with Magnus and Curry Man edits, and me finishing the organization of the page. Everything should be accurate, and no one will have any reason to edit this page, unless someone is fired, hired, injured, or championship changes hands. Also if a name change happens. Thanks man.--NickSparrow (talk) 05:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The most reliable sources used are Slam Sports, PWTorch, and Wrestling Observer. WrestleView was considered on their level until FAC reviewers decided it was not and they were the ones who proved it reliable in the first place. I'm just compelled to get this stuff to a higher level. Look, this page has been protected since the 9 (a week) and no one really has noticed. Barely anyone works on the TNA section. Most of this section is terrible. If I can make it better than good. That is all I'm trying to do. Maybe after another week or two this article can be placed up for unprotection because an edit war will begin back as soon as it is unprotected.-- Will C  05:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Who?
Who is the person who has promos airing for his debut? Kofi9192 (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Brutus Magnus has had promo's airing for his TNA debut. In actuality, its Nick Aldis, the recently signed Gladiator.--NickSparrow (talk) 01:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Daffney/Sarah Palin
Since Daffney has been portraying Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin and appearing regularly (every week) on TNA Impact for the last month or so, shouldn’t she be added to the “Other On-air Talent” list? TNAFan09 (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A source needs to be presented that she is signed and that is Daffney.-- Will C  01:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Dave Meltzer, Mike Johnson, and many other wrestling websites have all confirmed that it was Daffney and any wrestling fan who has watched wrestling also knows that it is Daffney. If she is appearing regularly, and does not have a contract, why shouldn't she still be added.  TNA contracts are not like WWE contracts. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A source needs to be presented. Not saying they have reported. A visable source must be given. The page is for contracted wrestlers. Not anyone who just shows up. A source must also be abtained that if they are working without a contract that an agree has been made between them and TNA to work a certain amount of time with them.-- Will C  02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Kong-tourage (Kong/Saeed/Bolt/Khan)
During a recent edition of TNA Spine Cycle (the Holiday edition on TNAWrestling.com), Sojourner Bolt announced that the new alliance of Awesome Kong, Rhaka Khan, Sojourner Bolt, and Raisha Saeed has been dubbed “Kong-tourage” (a play on Awesome Kong’s name and Entourage) and then made mention that they have big plans for 2009. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One mention doesn't mean they are a stable or that is their official name. It took Beer Money more than two months to figure if they were Beer Money or Beer Money, Inc. It would be better to wait and see if they team together. So far there has probably been one tag team match with them and Bolt I don't believe has even been seen with them that much.-- Will C  02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Mike Tenay & Don West mentioned "Kong-tourage" several times tonight the Awesome Kong/Madison Rayne match. They even stated Awesome Kong and Christy Hemme's match at Genesis would feature the Kong-tourage, Roxxi, ODB, and Taylor Wilde as Lumberjacks. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Unassigned Talent
We need to rename this section. The name may work for the WWE, as they have three different brands and developmental, but TNA doesn't have that, so it seems like an inaccurate name. I was thinking Inactive Talent, but that doesn't quite work anymore with the new format. I'm leaving as is until we can find something accurate. --James Duggan  09:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I moved Brutus Magnus to the main roster, as promos have aired for his debut and tnawrestling.com has him listed as a TNA superstar on their roster page. As for the remaining two, Doug Williams and Christopher Daniels/Curry Man, why not add them to "Other Personal" with their roles being "wrestler" and brief text of the current where abouts?--NickSparrow (talk) 07:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Teams/Stables
I just wanted to point out that the wwe roster now has a separate page for their teams/stables listing. I have no problem with that, but the teams/stables was removed from this page with no TNA teams/stables article created. It is considered vandalism to remove the content until that separate article is created, then all team/stable info can be transferred there. Until then, it stays on this article.--NickSparrow (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't trying to be a vandal, I was just trying to get the page to match up with the WWE page, that's all.

Vjmlhds 22:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Whats the point? We don't have to be consistent here. TNA only has a handful of tag teams. No reason to create a seperate article. I say they should stay here and no seperate article be made for the TNA side, but that is just me.-- Will C  00:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Will. There is not many teams/stables within TNA, and the page is fine as is.--NickSparrow (talk) 05:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually there are about the same number of teams in WWE as there are in TNA. It's just that they're spread out over 3 brands.

Also, I'm confused as to why on the WWE page having the teams listed caused such a stink, but it's fine here.

Vjmlhds 14:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

In this Thursday's iMPACT! episode, the Team Jay Lethal and Consequences Creed was called "Lethal Consequences" by the comentators (if I remember correctly by Don West at the End of the match). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agiese (talk • contribs) 16:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

TNA/IWGP
Vjmlhds has made the statement that the IWGP champions should be represented on the TNA roster page because Angle was once referred to as the IWGP Champion because he defended it at a TNA PPV. I submit that they should not be listed for the following reasons:

1) They are not TNA championships and this is a TNA list.

2) The recognizing of Angle as a IWGP Champion was a one off occurence as no other TNA roster member has ever been mentioned as a IWGP champion or even be seen with their IWGP Championship such as when Tomko held the tag titles, Team 3D currently holding the tag titles and the Motor City Machineguns being the current IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champions. These listed reigns apart from Angle's are not recognized, used, mentioned, or otherwise acknowledged by TNA therefore I feel they should not be listed. Rather then enter a edit war like the one that got the WWE page protected I came here to achieve consensus first. Cheers, JakeDHS07  05:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * He wasn't even the IWGP Champion. He was the IWGP Third Belt Champion (an unrelated title in the Inoki Genome Federation). I agree with you. It was not a TNA title and only appeared in TNA for a few weeks. After a few weeks he stopped appearing on TV with the title and they stopped referring to it. The title no longer even exists (it was merged with the real IWGP Championship).  TJ   Spyke   05:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Shawn you are right on a few things. They only mentioned Angle as IWGP Third belt champion for a brief time until Global Impact came out but TNA did show Tomko with the IWGP Tag Team Championship and even acknowledged it multiple times. Plus Team 3D and MCMG won the their respective titles in a TNA vs NJPW wrestling show in a way; it was mainly NWJP's show but it featured the TNA name. I haven't watched Genesis yet but I heard Tenay and West acknowledged MCMG's win in Japan at Wrestle Kingdom. I feel there is no harm mentioning them in the page, but I can understand why it should not be mentioned. I'm neutral in this position. No reason to mention them because they aren't TNA titles, but it was a co-involvement with TNA and NJPW that will eventually be mentioned and so will MCMG's and Team 3D's wins in G.I. 2.-- Will C  05:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * TNA has mentioned the Wrestle Kingdom show, but not the actual title win (at least on Impact, I haven't watched Genesis). We don't mentioned other titles on the roster page (i.e. we didn't mention when Jeff Jarrett was NWA Cyberspace Heavyweight Champion).  TJ   Spyke   06:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is possible that TNA Wrestling won’t mention the IWGP Championship wins for Team 3D and the Motor City Machineguns until the matches air on Global Impact in February. If after Global Impact airs, and Team 3D/Motor City Machineguns wear and defend their respected championship in TNA, could we then add them to the roster page? TNAFan09 (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Shane Sewell
He appeares more as a referee so shouldn't he be put under referee's as say Occasional Wrestler? Benton Tigers   20:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

He was fired as a referee.  Simon  \\ KSK  Yes we can! 20:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Shane Sewell was back to refereeing matches during TNA Impact this week. I agree with the first post, Shane Sewell should be listed with the other Referees, with a note saying Occasional Wrestler. TNAFan09 (talk) 21:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Why?
why is the page protected? I never saw a problem with everybody Markin it, but I guess some of you just like to Bark about it. HAHAHA  Markin  And Barkin   22:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

This page is not protected, Sinofdre-oh sorry, Mark. WWE employees is.  Simon  \\ <font color="DarkCyan">KSK  Yes we can! 22:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I went to try 2 edit it and it was protected. and wat u mean Sinofdre-oh sorry?  <font color="Red">Markin <font color="Black and Blue"> And Barkin   22:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request
Petey William lost a "Loser Leaves Town Match" during the February 10th taping, which will be aired on February 12th, and is legitimately done with TNA, so therefore should be taken of taken out of this article. I found this information on www.lordsofpain.net if anyone was wondering. Thanks!
 * unreliable source. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  01:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwo50150 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Move Daniel Covell to inactive with following note. (kayfabe) fired as Curry Man. Cheers, JakeDHS07  03:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually move him to "Unassigned Talent" due to him not being on the roster at all (a la Kaz after he "quit").

Two other requests:

1. Akira Raijin will be using the ring name Kiyoshi (as per the brackets in the X Division tournament on TNAWrestling.com).

2. Move Jeff Jarrett to the active list, as he'll be main eventing Genesis against Kurt Angle, and kayfabe-wise temporarily stepped down from his role as Founder (giving Foley full control) and concentrating on wrestling.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds 04:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait until the article is unprotected, please. Thanks! --MZMcBride (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Petey Williams/Lance Rock/Jimmy Rave Released
Just wanted to post that Petey Williams and Lance Rock (Hoyt) have officially been released from TNA. Here is a source via wrestleview

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1234332542.php?style=dark

PWInsider.com is confirming that Jimmy Rave has also been released from TNA. Here is the source via pwinsider

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=36458&p=1


 * Once a more reliable soure states the release, I will add it here.

--NickSparrow (talk) 06:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Suicide
Suicide is played by Kaz and Christopher Daniels. It says it on Daniels page and You can tell by the moves he used this week on Impact!. <font color=" Fuchsia ">Pills <font color="Lime">4  18:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This is pretty much common knowledge however any edits making said mentions requires a reliable source. If you can find one that complies with WP:PW Rules then by all means drop by my talk page and let me know otherwise it'll just have to stay the way it is. Cheers, JakeDHS07  05:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a reliable source (wrestleview) confirming Christopher Daniels is currently portraying the Suicide character.

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1233183828.php?style=dark

--NickSparrow (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Doug Williams/Clayton Douglas?!
Why was Doug Williams’ in-ring name changed to “Clayton Douglas”? TNAFan09 (talk) 17:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea.-- Will C  03:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The Beautiful People or Mi Pi Sexy?!
Lately on TNA Impact, Angelina Love, Velvet Sky, and Madison Rayne have been referred to as both the Beautiful People and Mi Pi Sexy. So is Beautiful People the “Tag Team” name and Mi Pi Sexy the “Stable” (or Sorority) name? TNAFan09 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The entire group are called The Beautiful People. Mi Pi Sexy is a nickname. Like The TNA Front Line have Frontline, Young guns, Young lions, etc.-- Will C  19:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Debut-Unassigned Talent
Trevor Murdoch is returning to TNA this thursday as Jethro Holiday. The Amazing Red is returniing with Paul London as a tag team. 65.0.54.193 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That doesn't mean they are signed talent.-- Will C  00:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Tazz
you should had Tazz to the Unassigned Talent. YanT5 (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No reliable source given that he is now under contract.-- Will C  06:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Another real name list I saw
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/list-of-tna-roster-with-ages-real-names-with-corrections-76893

The only real difference is in James Storm's name. While the list (from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter) has the one we have, Bill Behrens lists it differently in his correction. --<font color="Black">James <font color="Green">Duggan  14:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Alyssa Flash?
At the time of writing this, Sarita's TNA iMPACT debut is coming up, and she'll be wrestling one, "Alyssa Flash" (note I might be spelling Alyssa wrong). I see her nowhere on the list. 24.226.21.207 (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Elijah Burke
Arent U going 2 say anything about him returning at Hard JusticeMastercarr (talk) 01:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because he said he has not signed with TNA via Twitter.-- Will C  02:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Kevin Nash/Kevan Rymer
I took the liberty of changing Kevin Nash's ring name back to Kevin Nash. It had been altered to read Kevan Rymer, yet the only Kevan Rymer I've ever heard of is an indy wrestler with the GWF (who aside from a recent knee injury, has nothing in common with Kevin Nash) 76.214.13.234 (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Smokachu13

Lethal Consequences
Should they have there own page because i tried creating a link to Jay Lethal's page and it directed me to this page but they are a former tag team championship they should have there own seperate page --Kevmicester2000 (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They are not notable. Notability is established by reliable sources and importance in professional wrestling. Just by winning a championship they have not become important at this time.-- Will C  00:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree with this assessment for several reasons. The first is that the guidelines you've set out for notability seem somewhat dubious in the event that the team does not meet them. As is clearly stated in several professional wrestling pages (particularly those for championships), titles in wrestling are bestowed upon wrestlers by the company itself based on attributes and kayfabe pushes. As a consequence, if TNA puts the tag team titles on Lethal Consequences, they feel them notable. And if you're going to consider TNA a noteworthy wrestling promotion (which goes without saying), then you have to consider their choices for who they push as fairly heavy measures of notability. Furthermore, although it could be argued that their reign was too brief to be considered worth mentioning, their championship victory was the first piece of gold brought to the TNA Frontline after the stable established itself (barring Eric Young's X-Division title win later ruled invalid). Given that Turning Point 2008 and Final Resolution 2008 (the two pay-per-views following the formation of the Mafia and Frontline) both featured clean sweeps for the Mafia, this championship win can be considered (and was, on-air, acknowledged as) the first victory for the Frontline against the Mafia, even if indirectly. Since both the Mafia and the Frontline have their own pages, and since it is unquestionable that the storyline feud is and will be noteworthy for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to say that the team which scored the first indisputable point for the Frontline is a noteworthy team. Furthermore, and this point is merely superficial, the TNA Employees template features no less than six unlinked items, while the WWE Employees template features none, and I can say with some certainty that it will always. The assessment that being in TNA doesn't in itself lend at least some degree of notability further enhances the perception of TNA as a glorified Indy league, a perception which has not been reasonable since 2004. However, as stated before, this point may be nothing more than a personal peeve of mine, and it is the first two points that I wish to make this argument on. IanOberon (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree on making them a page. They are former tag champs and a recurring team. I've seen pages for in my mind less notable teams (I can't think of specifics) so my vote goes for a page.Freebird (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

New TNA Knockouts Champion
Cody Deaner seemingly won the belt at Hard Justice 2009. I'd love to add it to the page myself, but the coding is just too much. Could someone take care of it for me? 24.36.37.224 (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They announced ODB as the champion at Hard Justice and she is listed as such on TNA's site. No change.-- Will C  18:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

But Didn't "Judge Foley" Hold up the title?--Wwe.fana (talk) 08:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I went and looked it up to be safe. The title is currently vacant.-- Will C  08:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

TNA.com still credits her as the champion, therefore she's obviously still the champ. I also took off the note about Velvet being the only member of TBP left, it was uncessary, if there's no one else in the faction she's no longer in on herself. I also added that Roxxi as she has stated herself in numerous reports, is wrestling her upcoming match under a guest appearance spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Knockouts Tag Team Title
I have a question...

With TNA establishing a Knockout's Tag Team Championship, should we list the female tag teams in their own section (directly under the women's roster) or just clump them in with the male teams under "Tag Teams and Stables"?

Vjmlhds 12:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tag teams, it is not meant only for the males. It is meant for all teams.-- Will C  21:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, it depends on how the tag teams are established once the title is won. At the moment, they've been placed together so you can't really list any official teams unless proper feuds are announced. The now ended TBP and Kong & Saeed are the only two teams established well enoguh to be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * TBP aren't dead yet. Not until No Surrender will we know for sure. TNA may get Love back under contract depending on how long it takes for her to get a visa again, plus they forgive Rayne on a future episode of Impact, so for now Sky and Rayne are still together. Plus since on the next two weeks of Impact, Love and Sky are still together.-- Will C  17:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

She could be banned from the US for up to 10 years after discovering she'd been working for the company illegally in the first place, I don't think there's any way of her coming back soon and if this is all true and happening, the comapny could be fined for allowing her to work in company- whether they knew or not- given that there's a sliim chance she'll be taken back in the first place. But I agree if there are still two or however weeks in them, they're not dead for now. But if she is gone from the company, TBP shouldn't be listed as its going by what's current. At current, there are no members until stated or shown otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You are wrong, Madison Rayne and Velvet are united. So the team should be listed at this time.-- Will C  19:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Surely you should go by what the tapings show unless its a signing or release. For example, when i tweaked Raisha Saeed to appearing as Alissa Flash, it was changed because it had not bee seen yet. No one has seen Madison or Velvet unite, so therefore until it happens you can put it up there. I never said I was right, I'm saying you should go with what's current and seen, the same went with when Tara won her title, it was listed from when the tapings were shown, not from the actual day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 21:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying put Sky and Rayne up there, I am showing The Beautiful People still exist. Love and Sky have two more appearences together before No Surrender, so they are still a current team. Then on the September 17 Rayne will be a member again, making them a stable once again. Then at No Surrender, they will just be a tag team if TNA does not decide to break them up again.-- Will C  22:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

TNA Originals faction?
I would like to know why we still have TNA Originals listed a a faction. They are referred to as TNA Original's when working together in tag matches, but they never work as a faction/stable like World Elite or mEm. If anything, the only member's should be Styles, Daniels, Storm, and Roode. When in the last few month's has Creed or Lethal come out to help Styles or Daniels? Or when has Styles worked as a unified unit with Shelly and Sabin
 * Except for the Riot last month, but that mainly turned into two sides. Face and Heel.

I propose that unless they are more established as a faction by October 1st. We remove them.

--NickSparrow (talk) 16:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You got a source they are dead?-- Will C  21:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source they are together? Do you even watch the product? Find me a official TNA source that say's "Tonight, two members of the TNA Originals will take on.... or AJ Styles representing The TNA Originals will face....". Find me a source that they are a collective faction? Give me a soundclip of their theme music? What's their logo? Do they have a shirt or merch?

--NickSparrow (talk) 02:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They teamed recently, and Roode, Storm, Styles, and Daniels are still seemingly allies on TNA tv. Plus The Front Line shirts are still on sale.-- Will C  06:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
Ok fair enough, but I think you should keep the commentators pictures since non-wrestlers cannot be champions.--عيسى (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Division
Also, shouldn't we include another column that states the division of each wrestler? i.e. Heavyweight, X Division and Tag-team?--عيسى (talk) 18:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Probably not, as each wrestler can wrestle across two or three brands e.g. Alex Shelley is in Tag Team and X-Division or more recently added, Suicide is in X-Division and Heavyweight. Division doesn't mean the same here as it does in say, Soccer.95.145.253.95 (talk) 04:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bubba the Love Sponge
His Real/Legal name is: Bubba the Love Sponge Clem. He had it legally changed in 1999. His drivers license says "Bubba the Love Sponge Clem" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.179.97 (talk) 11:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that?  TJ   Spyke   20:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Scott Steiner
cant he be put under unassigned talent or removed. --- http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1265380987.php?style=dark 72.155.243.65 (talk) 02:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Errors!
There's been errors all over this page. I don't know how to multi-correct. Can someone fix this page?--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 00:46, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What are these errors?-- Will C  08:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Wolfe/Styles/Flair faction?
It appears that those three seem to be working together A LOT as of recently. Surely they should be considered as a group or faction and be put in the stables section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.106 (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not until TNA states they are a group. It is OR otherwise.-- Will C  17:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I think what happened at destination x was enough. Flair coming with to Wolfe's valet? Wolfe coming down to help Flair and AJ out? i m sure its a faction now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.106 (talk) 17:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

X-Division
I don't know if this has been brought up before but do you think the male wrestlers section should be split into an x-division section and a heavyweights section. JasarDaConqueror (talk) 07:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Nobody answered so I did it. JasarDaConqueror (talk) 02:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

People adding Spoilers
People keep putting in this article that Kevin Nash & Scott Hall (The Band) are the new TNA World Tag Team Champions, but this hasn't been showed on TV or recognized on TNAWrestling.com yet, after reading the spoilers for the next Impact! they say that this does happen but surely you should add things to this page until recognized by TNA, am I right? Jeffhardyred (talk) 14:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Spoilers are allowed if a reliable source exists to cover them.-- Will C  16:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New Signings
Former WWE Diva Mickie James has now signed with TNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.248.220 (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Stables and tag teams
why did someone get rid of this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.149 (talk) 05:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:PW.-- Will C  06:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's the thing.

It doesn't matter to me if there is a tag team/stable section or not.

But we either do it for WWE, TNA, and ROH, or we do it for none.

We can't have it for one and not the others.

Gots ta be consistent.

Vjmlhds 15:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Man screw that. Put the stables and tag teams back up there. The King Gemini (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Put stables and tag teams back for both. It is good information for those that are just getting into pro-wrestling. After all, wikipedia is supposed to educate those that do not know the full facts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.168.215 (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Suicide and Sangrieto
All reports have given us that Suicide is no longer Daniels and is back to being Kiyoshi and Amazing Red is now also wrestling as Sangrieto. I'm not going to edit, so you guys can go and use the site for sources you think are adequate, but it's going to have to change eventually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.197 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

A suggestion!
Can u move this 2 personnel rather than employees?92.235.168.144 (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Anyone on the roster turn heel yet? 71.161.247.227 (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Austin Aries
Even though on TNA website, he is still signed to TNA until Destination-X when they sign someone. Can you put it back up?

~Guest187~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.173.162 (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Ring Ka King/OVW
TNA has a wrestling project in India called Ring Ka King and some of the TNA Superstars are being used during this time. In fact Matt Morgan is the Heavyweight Champion for this project. Shouldn't there be a section on this page showing the list of TNA Superstars participating in this? Or atleast an option that directs to the Ring Ka King Wikipedia page? TNA has an agreement with OVW to be a developmental terriority for them. Shouldn't the TNA Roster page be set up the same way that FCW is set up on the WWE Roster page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.196.158.240 (talk) 14:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

El Zorro
Six months ago, a lot of webpages reported that El Zorro had signed a contract with TNA, but today, he hasn't appeared. I think that his contract is a rumor.--79.151.215.61 (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Page currently listing employees of WWE, not TNA
Emloyees listed currently are for WWE, not TNA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.54.123 (talk) 12:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Vandalism. I've reverted back to what seems to be the last clean version. Thanks, Nici  Vampire  Heart  14:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Farm territory
I think that we must create a new section, OVW or Farm territory to put Silva, Shaw, Hendrix, Robbie T and Crimson. Al Snow said in the radio that the gutcheck winners only have a develoment contract. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Adjustments
I've made a few adjustments to the page, and please indulge me while I explain them.

I moved Pat Kenney to commentators since that is an on-air role. While he's a road agent as well, any on-air role should take precedence in the listings since that is higher profile.

I moved Al Snow to executive officers since he does have the role of Sr. Director of Talent Relations, which is a front office job, road agent at this point is more of a side job.

I moved D-Lo Brown to backstage personnel since it really wouldn't make sense to have him in his own section.

I moved Sting to the active roster since he's actively involved in the Aces & 8s storyline, and he's still considered as a wrestler more than an authority figure (I've seen nothing listed where Sting is officially the Assistant GM). He's more of Hogan's trusted confidant than he is an official authority figure.

With all the surgeries the Hulkster has had, I doubt we'll see him wrestle anymore, so he's right where he needs to be.

Vjmlhds 14:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Adjustments 2.0
OK, just to explain why I did what I did:

I added D-Lo Brown to the main roster since he's now officially thrown in with Aces and 8s. He has wrestled at house shows under the mask, and he's in there getting physically involved. This is different from Taz since Taz can't get involved physically.

I added Danny Davis to the list as he's now the new Gut Check Judge.

And it's not necessary to list guys as "member of Aces and 8s". Just like we don't list guys as "members of the Shield" in WWE or "members of SCUM" in ROH.

Vjmlhds 03:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Adjustments 3.0
I added Robert W. Carter to the list because...well...he owns the joint. He owns the company that owns TNA, making thim the BIG BOSS of the whole shebang.

Also, Dixie Carter-Salinas uses her maiden name on the air (more or less as her "ring name"), but adds the -Salinas in her day to day life, so both need to be listed.

Vjmlhds (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Tapa and Evan
OK. Let's talk, because i'm tired. Are Evan Markopolous and LeiD Tapa TNA Wrestlers? Tapa won Gut Check, so she won a TNA Develoment Contract and we have sources abour she is wrestling in OVW. Evan Markpopolous said six months ago that he will train in OVW on july 2013. Sources about he is training now? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Wrestling in OVW isn't the same as wrestling in NXT. Those who train in NXT are WWE owned. OVW is a partner promotion of TNA, not a division.


 * Markopoulos last (and first) wrestled in TNA in September 2012. Since then he's worked a few places, but TNA or OVW aren't among them.


 * Neither should be listed here. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:42, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Al Snow said that every gut check winner won a development contract and she is working in the farm territory. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Tapa and Evan stay off until TNA puts them on their website's roster. Dutt and Marasciulo also stay off the roster as it looks like they were only brought in for Destination X, and not as part of the regular crew. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We all know thay TNA is very lazy to update the profiles and we have other sources. Ric Flair was in the roster page when other sources said that he left TNA. DOC and Knux hadn't profiles, but we listed them because other sources said that both of them were under contract. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * While TNA does have a spotty record of keeping their roster page updated, there's nothing out there to suggest that anybody that we've been discussing have full-fledged TNA contracts. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:33, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The thing to remember, HHH, is that a developmental deal in TNA is not like one in WWE. TNA doesn't own OVW, so those in OVW aren't working for TNA, though OVW and TNA are close partners. Gutcheck won them a spot in OVW, which may lead to a TNA contract, depending how they impress.


 * It's like if you were a cook, and impressed the owner of a restaurant. That owner may not have a place for you at the moment, but formally recommends you to a restaurant his friend owns, while leaving the door open. If you continue to cook well there, you may get an offer from the first restaurant when a place opens up, with a recommendation from the second one. But you only work for one boss at a time. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 05:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees → List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel – Wrestlers are not employees, but independent contractors. Would be consistent with List of WWE personnel, as most of this article already is. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Support- I'm the one who moved the WWE roster page to "personell". It just makes more sense for both of these articles to refrain from using "employees" due to the controversies surrounding independent contractors in the professional wrestling industry. <font color="#039">Feed   <font color="#008000">back   ☎ 13:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - To keep it consistent with the WWE page. If anything TNA operates more on a independent contractor bases then TNA, personnel is the more correct term. STATic  message me!  18:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Jarrett and MMA
First, JobbersAreCool moved Karen Jarret from the roster, because this [ http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0708/563942/tna-drops-the-television-title/ source] says that TNA hasn't plans for 'JEFF and Karen. Do you think that we have to delete Jeff also? I don't know about contracts, but he disapeared and has't profile in TNA website. Second, when King Mo signed with Spike, we put "contract with Bellator". I think that we have to delete it. It was a good decision to inform the people, but Rampage Jackson is an active wrestler and he has also the note. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No real opinion, except that if we delete Karen based on one source, we have to delete Jeff and the TV title on the same source. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we should wait on removing the TV title until there is a formal announcement by TNA, or Abyss starts appearing every week without it. Anyways I do not see "wrestlinginc" anywhere in the Style guide, so who is to say it is a reliable source in the first place.  STATic  message me!  20:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's sourced to PWInsider. That's on our "proven" list. Here is the original. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh okay then, I had not even bothered clicking on the link. My opinion still stands how it pertains to the TV title, because plans can always change especially when it comes to wrestling. This is not the first time we have heard about the TV title possibly being discarded. I still remember the reports of the X-Division title and the US title being discarded.  STATic  message me!  21:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's just make things easy...as long as TNA still lists the TV title as part of the championship roll call on thier website's roster page it stays on this list. As an example of a similar situation, even though the Knockouts Tag Team titles were MIA forever, as long as they were active on the TNA website's roster/roll call page, they stayed active here.  Once the KO tag straps were removed from their list, then they were removed from our list (our meaning Wikipedia).  Same should apply for the TV title.  Vjmlhds talk) 23:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems fair. Still, without similar mitigating factors for either Jarrett, we can't just pick one to remove. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no problems with keeping the Jarretts off the list. My thing was I didn't want people removing the TV title because they saw something on a dirt sheet. Vjmlhds (talk) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Anyone else have a problem with removing Jeff Jarrett? Jobbers (or is it Mr. Cool?) objected first because he is the founder (founder is not a job position), now it's because of his Twitter handle. If I had Twitter, I'd be @InedibleHulk, but wolves could still actually eat me and I'm not really as big as Hulk Hogan or The Incredible Hulk. Should it be any different for @JeffJarrettTNA? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Jobber deleted Karen due to a source. The source says that Jeff is in the same situation. Both of them are delete or both of them stay. I don't know if Jeff stills under TNA contract, but nobody knows about him near two years.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 06:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pro Wrestling dot com says that Jarret was at Destination X. Maybe we should included both of them again. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 06:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Jeff Jarrett still works for TNA so he should be readded on list. 5.69.99.18 (talk) 09:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That source only says he was at the show, not on it or behind it, and it "caught a number of people by surprise". If he worked there, why would it be surprising? Notice it has a job title next to Broadhead and Barton's name, but nothing for Jarrett. In any case, it has absolutely nothing to do with Karen. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The Gerweck one adds that he has "has maintained an involvement with the company". That's pretty vague. Is Gerweck even a reliable source? Gerweck isn't listed as reliable source, and his claim that ProWrestling.net reported Broadhead, Barton and Jarrett were the "other members of management" is clearly not accurate. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * One thing. We haven't a source about Jarrett release. I never read about Jarrett was fired from TNA, only that TNA hasn't plans for him. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, do we have any source for any sort of job title or description for Jarrett? The last his article says of him is that he went to India to run Ring Ka King in 2011. Given that it's folded (or at least on hold), the logical assumption would be that Jarrett lost the job. Since then, there's been no story about him getting a new job within TNA (producing, training, concession stands, anything) and he hasn't been on TNA TV in almost two years.


 * So why would the default assumption be that he works there? And why were people surprised that he showed up backstage? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that Carter hates him due to his relationship with Karen Angle. After he was "fired", he stilled under contract, without job. I think. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I haven't listened to the podcast backing Jarrett's new Director of Talent Relations job, but I'll assume it says it. However, I also found this, calling him Executive VP of Development/Original Programming, and Al Snow the Senior Director of Talent Relations. Of course, that's right after Prichard left, so could be dated now.


 * Anyway, do we know if the podcast said anything about Jarrett losing this VP position, or Snow losing his? If Jarrett's still a VP, as well as a director, he should be in the executive section. If he's just a director, backstage. And is Snow still on TV? If not, he should be moved backstage, too, just based on his "producer" credits. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, the podcast strongly implies Snow was replaced by Jarrett, so it's cool to drop him, as far as Talent Relations go. Didn't hear anything about the other stuff. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Pacman Jones
Please don't add Pacman Jones to the roster.

TNA just happens to be in Cincinnati tonight for Impact Wrestling, and Jones just happens to play for the Bengals, so TNA is having Pacman make an appearance since everybody just happens to be in the same place tonight.

There is NOTHING out there to suggest that Jones has signed on full time with TNA. He's quite busy with football at this point in time, and his appearance tonight is a "we just happen to be in the neighborhood, so come on over" deal.

Vjmlhds (talk) 23:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SLAM":<ul> <li>From Santana Garrett: </li> <li>From Christopher Daniels: </li> <li>From Taylor Wilde: </li> <li>From Sting (wrestler): </li> <li>From Kazarian (wrestler): </li> <li>From Chris Sabin: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Sanada
As long as Sanada has the X Title, he should be included on the roster.

Champions automatically go on the roster anyway (as was agreed to way back when when the current table listing format was introduced), and I made sure to add a note that Sanada's with TNA as part of the TNA/Wrestle-1 talent exchange partnership, and not as a TNA contracted wrestler himself.

Vjmlhds (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Mahabali Shera
I suck at editing, but the real name of the new Indian wrestler introduced by Kurt Angle as Mahabali Shera is Amanpreet Singh, not Mahabali Veera (which was his ring name in Ring Ka King). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.229.171.156 (talk) 23:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Rampage and others
Rampage is still on the tna roster page and yet he was removed from here. Any reason why? Do we have any sources maybe they were already shown, for Rampage, Brittani, Gail Kim, and Team 3D leaving? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.25.104 (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Rampage's TNA and Bellator deals were part of the same Viacom deal, which he recently tore up to rejoin UFC. Even if he hadn't, TNA's move from Spike would have put an end to that section. And even before that, he said they lied to him and "...you won’t see me in TNA ever again."


 * Not as sure about the others. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's one saying Team 3D are done. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I looked at the TNA website a couple days ago and it has all except Gail gone and I believe Gail is still on this page so we are all good now. So its official that all except Gail are gone, well according to TNA website. 72.15.25.104 (talk) 14:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

As for Lashley, I recently removed the Bellator/TNA joint contract note, assuming it couldn't work with the channel switch. In case my assumption isn't good enough for anyone, here is Lashley talking about his new (possibly still unsigned) Bellator contract. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Gregory Shane Helms
Gregory Shane Helms, why isn't he in the TNA Other on-air personnel section when all other TNA managers are listed there? So far he has yet to wrestle in TNA whereas Tyrus is both wrestling in TNA and co-managing Matt Hardy with Reby Sky with Tyrus being Matt Hardy's bodyguard. 90.202.105.108 (talk) 12:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * He's pretty much a player-coach, so he belongs on the main roster - besides, there's no reason to have him in his own section. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 February 2016
I want to revert the vandalism an IP user has put on here before the page got protected.

Keith Okamoto (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 20:25, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keith Okamoto's talking about deliberate misspellings at the top of the article, done specifically as vandalism. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I had no way of knowing. I've re-activated the request.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 20:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Knockouts
Please leave all the ladies listed in the Knockout section as is.

All these girls are wrestlers by trade, with the records to prove it.

When the Knockouts only get 1 match per week, there's no way they can all wrestle each and every week.

But they are all legitimate, honest-to-God, documented wrestlers (unlike Lana in WWE, who never wrestled a match in her life and is strictly a manager).

So there's no need to list them as "other personnel", because as a rule, women wrestlers should be cut some slack simply because they don't wrestle as often as the guys, and because they are all actual wrestlers with the records to show it.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 15:24, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Anybody else want to chime in here? Should Maria, Reby Sky, Rosemary, and Raquel be listed as wrestlers or other personnel?  Remember this though...Maria was a participant in the Lethal Lockdown match on Tuesday and is starting a feud with Gail Kim (not to mention having wrestled numerous times in both WWE and ROH).  Rosemary and Raquel - while not yet having their first TNA match - wrestled in the indies prior to coming to TNA, and continue to do so on the side.  And Reby Sky is by trade a wrestler, and is making noise about going for the KO Title.  They are not like Lana in WWE...she has never wrestled a match in her life and is STRICTLY a manager.  All these TNA girls are more than merely "other personnel" - they're honest to God wrestlers. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * A little info on Raquel...described as a wrestler/fitness model And here's an article where Raquel talks about getting stiffed while WRESTLING during an indy show over the weekend...BTW she trained with Afa. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Here's an interview with Abyss, where he talks about what a force Rosemary is gonna be in the Knockouts division, indicating that she's a looked at as a wrestler by the company. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * All of these references say nothing about how they are currently competing under the promotion, which they are not. Regardless of what their wrestling background is, they should not be listed as wrestlers in the personnel page until they wrestle their first match. Doing otherwise would be speculating. It could be weeks to months until Reby Sky actually wrestles a match, which is a speculation. It could also be in the very near future that she wrestles, which is another speculation. As of this time, none of the aforementioned Knockouts have wrestled under TNA, making them managers. DantODB (talk) 03:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * "...because as a rule, women wrestlers should be cut some slack simply because they don't wrestle as often as the guys, and because they are all actual wrestlers with the records to show it." This sounds like an opinion. The fact is that they have not wrestled under the promotion. Regardless of what the reasoning is, they haven't competed, hence, they are not competitors. This will surely change in the future, but the personnel page should reflect on the present. DantODB (talk) 03:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Let a third voice chime in and settle it, and see how it goes...until then leave it as is. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Regarding my "opinions" - there is no "bible" for how to do articles like these..they've always kind of been "play it by ear". Therefore a statement like the one I made provides reasoning for why I have the view I have...it isn't just because "I said so"...there's method to the madness.  What you're doing is going on a 1-man crusade to force your version down people's throats...that's not how this works.  Let others speak their piece and go from there. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't have opinions regarding who should be put where. I'm only standing by facts. DantODB (talk) 03:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You're not stating facts...you're just trying to act like a big shot. Just because YOU say it's a fact, doesn't mean it is. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

How is it not a fact that the aforementioned Knockouts have not competed in TNA when they haven't? I'm just trying to maintain the integrity and accuracy of this page. DantODB (talk) 08:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * WP:BRD ---> You made a bold edit, I reverted due to it's controversial nature, and now this is where we discuss it.  Obviously we are at a stalemate, which is why I've asked for other editors to give their 2 cents.  UNTIL THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED, DO NOT CHANGE THE ARTICLE BACK TO YOUR VERSION.  It is NOT your place to be judge, jury, and executioner.  All you are doing is playing tit for tat, which will get you blocked.  I reverted your original change because all the women are wrestlers by trade, and just because they aren't wrestling RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND, it doesn't mean they are strictly other personnel.  So enough of the foolishness.  Wait until other voices can be heard brfore proceeding...you are in no position to play "my way or the highway". User:Vjmlhds (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * How is it a bold edit when I moved the new Knockouts to a new section not long after they are added to the roster? I didn't move Madison Rayne or Marti Bell or any of the existing Knockouts, which means that it's not bold. You keep referring to Wikipedia pages that actually bears little relevance to the situation. Also, you keep threatening a block and I don't think you're in the position or power to do that, so I don't understand what the point of that is. DantODB (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I have full-protected the article for 24 hours to stop the edit-warring between you. You both need to calm down, take a deep breath, and edit another article for a bit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Breath taken...the issue at hand is that all these ladies are wrestlers, and should be listed as such...they've all wrestled everywhere they have been, and really JUST GOT TO TNA. Maria's already had a TNA match,  (Lethal Lockdown...she was an official participant...no law that says you must have physical contact). To pigeonhole them strictly as "other personnel" is just nonsense given their track record.  The "Nothing else matters except RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND" theory is extremely myopic.  That's like saying a football team signed a quarterback, but because HE'S YET TO PLAY A GAME WITH THE TEAM THAT SIGNED HIM, he's not a quarterback RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND.  Add that in with the fact that DantODB is completely disregarding WP:BRD, and is showing WP:OWN tendencies.  Both his theory is wrong, and the way he's trying to ramrod his view is wrong, which is why I asked for a block regarding his behavior.  Vjmlhds (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Even Vjmlhds understands that the Knockouts in question have NOT wrestled under TNA. How is it correct to put them under the female wrestlers section if their current roles in the company are not that? We need to reflect on present times. In the future, I am sure they will wrestle matches, but as of right now, they have not, so they remain managers. Regardless of what their wrestling background is, this personnel page should put Raquel, Reby Sky and Rosemary in a separate section until they compete in TNA. "...showing WP:OWN tendencies. Both his theory is wrong, and the way he's trying to ramrod his view is wrong..." - how is putting female wrestlers that have yet competed in the company an accurate representation of their roles as part of the TNA personnel? DantODB (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * So if they wrestle, and then don't for 3 weeks, you gonna move them back to "other personnel"? This is what I mean...the RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND theory...and YOU yourself just called them female wrestlers and acknowledged their backgrounds.  They are wrestlers...there's only so many hours in a day, and so many matches on a card.  Seriously...don't be so darn strident. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Whether they wrestle or not in the future is a speculation. Yes, they are wrestlers. I have not once said that they were not. I have also abundantly mentioned that being in the other on-air personnel section does not take away their wrestling background. Whatever the reasoning is, if they have not wrestled a match under the promotion, THEY SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED COMPETITORS IN THE PROMOTION. This just pertains to TNA. In the Indies, THEY ARE ALL ACTIVE COMPETITORS. It's not about who is a wrestler and who is not. It's about what roles they play. If they wrestle once and then don't wrestle for three weeks, then they would still play A COMPETITOR IN THE COMPANY THAT IS SIDELINED. As of now, this is not the case. The fact is they HAVE NOT WRESTLED YET. Strident or not, that's the fact. DantODB (talk) 21:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Football team signs a player, player doesn't play in a game yet - THEY SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A PLAYER ON THE TEAM. If I took that argument to a football article, they'd laugh me out of town, and tell me to take a hike.  That is EXACTLY what you're bringing to this party with your theory.  You make no sense. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Common sense says you should perhaps get opinions from outside editors. Perhaps one of you should initiate that instead of yelling at each other and edit warring... --Tarage (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm trying - I've asked/suggested having a third voice come in and settle this (look above) - none has so far. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Try harder: WP:3 --Tarage (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Third Opinion
A third opinion has been requested. The question appears to have to do with whether particular women should be listed as wrestlers. Is that the question? My answer would be to list them if they are under contract to TNA and have ever wrestled professionally, whether for TNA or any other company. If that is the question, that is the third opinion. If not, please state the question. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what the question was. They are obviously under contract (otherwise they wouldn't be on TNA programming), and they all have (and in some cases still do on the side) wrestle for other companies. Thank you for your assistance. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, for the sake of clarity, the question was whether female wrestlers that as of now have not wrestled under the company and are playing managerial roles should be listed under the female wrestlers category or the other on-air personnel category. This is due to the fact that we don't know what roles they are contracted to perform. As of this time, they have not competed in TNA. I, too, thank you for the assistance. DantODB (talk) 03:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, to counter one of your arguments, Raquel was not a wrestler before entering Tough Enough. That was her first wrestling experience. The only other match that we've heard her been in was the one reported on TMZ. To see how long it takes for her compete in TNA is speculating. I still find this irrelevant to the predicament, though. The situation at hand is basically equivalent to listing Lita as a Diva in the WWE personnel page since she is a wrestler. DantODB (talk) 03:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Lita had neck surgery (another one), CAN'T wrestle anymore, and has retired...invalid argument. About Raquel...everybody's gotta start somewhere, and the point is that she IS a documented wrestler.  Look - the third voice has chimed in and agreed with me, that they should be listed as wrestlers.  You made a bold edit, I reverted, it led to a discussion, and a tie breaking vote was cast, that just happened to be in my favor.  The process works.  You didn't get your way...take it like a man, and move on.  There have been other articles where I was on the losing end of the stick in similar situations - I took my medicine, and life went on.  I strongly suggest you do the same, because if you revert again EVEN AFTER a third, unbiased voice chimed in and voted against you, it will not look good for you...I saw that you have been warned about being thisclose to a block (and not by me), so please don't press your luck. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * BTW...Reby Sky HAS wrestled a pair of matches in TNA as part of their Knockouts Knockdown 2 PPV in 2014...soon after that, she got pregnant and had her kid, which put her career on hold, and has obviously returned. So your "never wrestled in TNA" theory is out the window. Think before you speak and cause a ruckus.  Vjmlhds (talk) 06:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I rephrased the question for the sake of clarity and that has not been answered. How is the theory out of the window when Raquel and Rosemary have not wrestled a match in TNA? Why are all of your points directed towards me as an editor and not towards getting the correct information for the page? You got the same, exact warning of blockage that I did, so why is it necessary to bring this up to intimidate me? I'm just trying to make this page an accurate representation of the TNA personnel of the present. Please disregard any and all feelings towards me and focus on the article. DantODB (talk) 21:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Grasping at straws, bud. You've been warned - don't poke the bear. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * How is this about you? As I said, make it more about the article and less about how you perceive me as an editor. WP:NPA - you might want to take a look at this. DantODB (talk) 01:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not about me at all - when I said don't poke the bear, that was meant to be friendly advice about not tempting fate with the article seeing as the third voice chimed in and agreed with my view, and also keeping in mind your block warning (if you took it differently, I'm sorry...should have been clearer in my intent). This was never personal, we had differing views about the article, we had an (admittedly) rough and tough disagreement, and after some time to cool our jets, I sought out an outside voice, one came along and settled the issue. It's done. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)