Talk:List of Irish people

Politics
I have moved the contents of this sublist to list of Irish politicians as their is much duplication, duplications have been eliminated as fair as possible. I have also alphabetically sorted the list, by first name, as it was no longer sorted by any means. Djegan 18:40, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Both Gene Kelly and Grace Kelly, may have had an Irish surname, but as they were both born in Pennsylvania they are hardly Irish!
 * Depends how you define nationality. Grace Kelly's father was Irish.  Gene Kelly often referred to his Irish roots.  But I'd rather leave the decision to an Irish person...

Deb

My parents are Irish, but I was born in England. I predominantly consider myself English, but I describe myself as Irish by heritage. Now in theory I could play for the Irish football team, and then perhaps I might be called a famous Irishman. However, if I became famous in some other field not directly linked to my parents nationality I would be surprised to find myself described as a famous Irishman. Mintguy


 * Deb - I have to make an apology. When I first read the list I didn't notice that the introduction included people of Irish descent. Perhaps the page should have two lists. Those born in ireland and those of Irish decent.
 * I think this may be neccesary for another reason also. Eamon De Valera was born in New York. But the list would be incomplete if he was not included. Mintguy
 * Yes, I can see the logic of that argument too, but it would get very complicated then, wouldn't it? I was trying to take a lead from the other "List of famous xxx people" that already exist.  It seemed to me that Irish was a very big omission.  The fact is that I've just come back from a holiday in Ireland, and found it full of Americans who considered themselves Irish! Deb
 * Robert Shaw was not Irish. He died in Ireland and he played Irish characters from time to time, but he was British. It seems to me this is a bit of a wishy-washy list. Do Ronald Reagan or Paul McCartney belong in it?
 * So I favour an inclusive definition of Irish, but worry that the distinction between Daniel Day-Lewis and Grace Kelly is false since Cecil Day-Lewis was Irish.Notjim

Old content of Famous Irish people needs to be merged with this page

This is a list of famous Irish people:

How can it be a credible list of famous Irish people when you have no record of Niall MacGinnis?

Movies

 * Pierce Brosnan, actor
 * Gabriel Byrne, actor
 * Richard Harris, actor
 * Colm Meaney, actor
 * Stephen Rea, actor

Music

 * Bono (real name: Paul Hewson), lead singer of U2
 * Sinéad O'Connor
 * The Corrs
 * Ronan Keating
 * Christy Moore
 * Van Morrison
 * Samantha Mumba
 * David Holmes
 * Bob Geldof
 * Roger Doyle, composer

Visual Arts

 * Michael Flatley, dancer

Writing

 * Samuel Beckett
 * Roddy Doyle
 * Seamus Heaney
 * James Joyce
 * Sean O'Casey
 * George Bernard Shaw
 * Oscar Wilde
 * William Butler Yeats

Politics

 * Eamon de Valera
 * Padraig Pearse
 * James Connolly
 * Mary Robinson, president
 * Mary McAleese, president
 * Bertie Ahern, prime minister (the Taoiseach)

Sport

 * Eddie Irvine, Formula One driver
 * Paul McGinley, golfer
 * I have blended both into one list. It's not perfect yet, but it's a start. Deadstar 12:46 Feb 3, 2003 (UTC)

Aosdána
No one seems to be maintaining the info abt Aosdána that has been propagated into cryptic entries in List of people by name, probably by a bot reading the article. I kept noticing the entries, which looked vaguely Irish. I either had checked Taoiseach at some point, and then got that confused, or just made a wild guess, but i have been thinking of these people as either Irish politicians or the next Riverdance!

I'm not going to systematically go fix them, but where there's an article for such an entry that i run across, i'll be changing them to "Irish ..."; where there's no article, it'll be "Irish cultural figure" (until some colleague comes up with a better stock phrase). My reasoning is that, say, "Irish painter in Aosdána", in a general list of notable people, offers (to relatively few people) maybe a 10% increase in knowledge vs. "Irish painter", and offers far too many people in substantial increase in confusion. And it's too much info for LoPbN.

I could go to this article to learn their fields, and even start a stub, but IMO either would reduce the incentive for someone with more motivation than i to make a good stub rather than "Joe Blow is or was an Irish painter, honored with membership in Aosdána." --Jerzy(t) 18:01, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
 * But for someone else interested in that systematic project, here's the basis for a check list. (Newer "What links here" listings will omit the ones that i change in the interim.) Their wiki-source below could be marked-up for bullets to keep them from running together like this.

Late-2004 Aosdána references
List of people by name: Joh List of people by name: Oa-Ok List of painters Samuel Beckett Seamus Heaney List of poets Murphy List of Irish people Martin Saoi List of Irish cultural institutions Robert Ballagh John Behan Louis le Brocquy Edward Delaney Dorothy Cross Anne Madden Patrick Pye Camille Souter Imogen Stuart Talk:Republic of Ireland/temp List of people by name: Barr List of people by name: Bro List of people by name: Bu List of people by name: Mc-Md List of people by name: Mu List of people by name: So List of people by name: Sw-Sx List of people by name: Car List of people by name: Cl List of people by name: Col List of people by name: Hi-Hm List of people by name: Hol List of people by name: Hun-Huz User:KF/For future reference Torc List of people by name: Ge List of people by name: Gre List of people by name: Pv-Pz List of people by name: Del List of people by name: Lo List of people by name: Tp-Tr List of people by name: No List of people by name: Fa-Fd List of people by name: Ol-Oo List of people by name: Mad-Mam List of people by name: Mart List of people by name: Bak-Bal Irish calendar List of Ireland-related topics List of people by name: Bea-Bem List of people by name: Beo-Bez List of people by name: Cas-Caz List of people by name: Coa-Cok List of people by name: Coo-Coz List of people by name: Boa-Bok List of people by name: Joo-Jor List of people by name: Hea-Hem O'Brien List of people by name: Laa-Lam List of people by name: Lau-Laz Aidan Higgins List of people by name: Dea-Dek Aosdana (redirect page) Culture of Ireland List of people by name: Frf-Frz Denis Johnston List of people by name: Dao-Dau List of people by name: Bara-Barq 1983 in Ireland John B. Keane John McGahern List of people by name: Broa-Brov Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere"

Moved lists from Irish people
Greetings. In an attempto to quell the intimidating length of above mentioned article, I have moved two lists here. However I just interpolated the lists without any formatting, and I am sure there is duplication and the lists can be incorporated into the structure of this page. I just simply do not have the time to do this now, so hopefully someone else will. Shawn M. O&#39;Hare 18:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Merger between famous irish Americans and famous Irish people pages...
They are basically the same. The Famous Irish people page already posts famous Irish Americans. I think it would be best if we just added "Famous Irish Americans" on the famous Irish people page into one little section. They are basically two identical pages. It would be one less page and more organized. All in favor of the merger?

Daragh: as an Irish citizen living in the US, I am conscious of the difference. If you want to merge the lists, I'd suggest clearly marking the non-Irish born people. This counts for Irish-Americans, Irish-French, Irish-whatever. I think this should be a policy for all 'famous people' pages. I think the Famous Scots page might have the same issue...

I've changed your merge tag to make clear that it is the Irish Americans you want merged here rather than the other way around. Zymurgy 21:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I think for the purposes of length alone, there should be two or more seperate pages. The vast majority of Irish-Americans listed here have little or nothing to do with Ireland in reality. There are some notable exceptions like De Valera. I think this page should be limited to those born in Ireland or were naturalised Irish, those who adopted Irish citizenship or represented Ireland in some way e.g. politics, sport, competitions. The page could contain links to Irish-American Irish Diaspora and Northern Ireland lists. Djln--Djln 18:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

What it means to be Irish is incredibly complicated. That the list of famous Irish people is basically the same as the list of famous Irish Americans is due, in my opinion, to three factors. Number one is the undoubted tendency of many Americans to describe themselves as Irish irrespective of actual or operative links to Ireland. Number two is the make up of this encyclopaedia's contributors, being mostly, I suspect, American. Number three is Ireland's unfailing ability to incorporate anyone famous who spends more than a night on the island into its own national mythos.

To expand on the three factors slightly: firstly, like Daragh, I'm an Irish citizen living in America, and I know many, many Americans who unproblematically introduce themselves as Irish, even though the links they have to Ireland may be utterly tenuous. I initially found this flattering, to be honest. Ireland, and Irish people, have a great reputation in America, and it's nice that people over here want to be a part of that. However, I now realize that the vision of Ireland that a lot of these people believe they are participating in is utterly shallow, old fashioned, parochial and actually quite insulting (I've met many an Irish-American who reacted with hostility to me in my time over here. Being presented with an authenticity which confounds easy stereotypes is pretty unsettling, I gather). Furthermore, the Irish identity gets mobilized in highly selective and strategic ways, especially in politics, which is bang out of order in my opinion. It's not a cloak one can put on or off at will! What I'm saying, more or less, is that many Americans, for whatever reason, adopt, at different moments and when it suits them best, an identity which is a social creation all of their own but which relates, often in an insulting way, to an actual, existing nation-state that is about a million times more complex than they are willing to grasp. I don't really know what Irishness is in 2006, but I know that Irish-Americanness has nothing to do with it!

Secondly, given the demographics of the situation, I would have to be of the opinion that more Americans use and contribute to this encyclopaedia than citizens of the Irish Republic. So, with what I mentioned above in mind (the tendency of many Americans to assert what they believe to be an Irish identity which is actually a quintessentially American identity, i.e. Irish-Americanness, that has nothing really to do with Ireland), it seems obvious to me that more Americans means more Irish-Americans which means more of an Irish-American slant to any list of famous "Irish" people, however defined. It's no one's fault, it's just the way something as "democratic" as this website must work.

Thirdly, the tendency in Ireland to try to incorporate absolutely anyone with talent, fame, money or power who comes into our orbit. I personally think this is gas, especially given the begrudgery we often display to our fellow citizens, and is definitely some kind of post-colonial inferiority complex! But, it does complicate the issue. The shamefully sycophantic reception some American politicians have gotten from Irish people in the past, Reagan case in point, shows this willingness in its most public form.

Anyway, long winded post this, sorry. I think the lists shouldn't be merged, and would in fact argue for a less inclusive list of famous Irish people. Controversial maybe, but I'm not suggesting we rely on any kind of biological principle on which to make our decisions. I just don't think that someone, shaped so totally and completely in another nation, can in any way really participate in what it means to be Irish, not in the past and certainly not in 2006. The kid whose parents are from Nigeria, who's going to school in Joey's in Fairview, studying for his Leaving, and working the weekends in Easons on O'Connell St. is way more Irish than either Reagan or the average lunatic with green hair falling drunk through the streets of Chicago's south side on Paddy's Day. I'm also not suggesting that one must be Irish born. Indeed, some of my own heroes, James Connolly and Big Jim Larkin, were not born in Ireland. But, you could say, their characters were formed in Ireland, they lived in Ireland, experienced Ireland as an existing, changing place and with complex people, not as a one dimensional ideal.

There's no easy answer. I just think that a lot of the people on the Famous Irish People list should be on a Famous Americans list instead. What would be wrong with that? - SJM

Actually, I want to seriously suggest that the page on Irish people is split into two pages: one page as the list of Irish people, the other as the list of people of Irish descent. Then, the list of Irish Americans can be merged into the list of people of Irish descent (which is what Irish Americans are, they're not Irish). Mayser 16:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I just had a look at how the Scottish pages are organized, and they have seperate pages for "Scottish People" and "People of Scottish Descent." Mayser 15:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagree strongly. --Mal 07:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Disgree strongly as such a merge would not match any of the other XXX people lists. Question: at what point in time does this discussion close so that the tag notice can be removed from the article.  Thanks Hmains 19:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Lennon/Cobain
Where is John Lennon and Kurt Cobain on the list of famous people of Irish Descent?
 * Where are Kunte Kinte, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, Alexander the Great, Beethoven and Jesus O'Nazareth! Come on people, keep this list growing! 86.17.247.135 01:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they should be removed. John Lennon was English. He was born in Liverpool and it clearly states that he's English on his own page. We can't claim everyone with an Irish name to be Irish.

Irish-Americans
The List of Americans of Irish descent is now being re-organized and sourced into something proper. A lot of the people listed as being of Irish descent on this page - like Demi Moore - aren't Irish at all. It'd be best to simply attach a link to the American Irish list where that section currently is here. I'll make sure all of the names listed either get sourced and added to the American Irish list, or moved to that page's discussion section for sourcing. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 04:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Was the part of "People of Irish descent" supposed to be some kind of joke on the uninitiated? I mean, John Garfield, Joan Collins, Ed Wynn? What was going on here? Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 05:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I definitely think this article should not be merged with List of Irish-Americans. The Irish deserve their own list. This is a world of difference between an Irish person and an Irish-American person. GusF 15:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Reorganising article
I am of the opinion that only those born in Ireland and those with real and substantive links with Ireland (e.g. naturalised Irish citizens, settled in Ireland, "proper" Irish-Americans born of Irish parents, etc) should be included on this list, and a separate list should be created at List of people of Irish descent for the remainder. The list over at Irish people is serving the purpose that this list should be. Would anyone have any major objections to the changes I have outlined above? I am aware that everyone has their own opinion as to what being "Irish" means, and I don't want to exclude anyone for not having enough "paddy-points", but I feel we are painting with too broad a brush at the minute. Martin 14:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not categorize?
Wouldn't it be more efficient in the long run to simply abandon maintaining this list and convert it to a WP category instead? (See Help:Category for more info)   JXM 02:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Notable Irish people (selection)
Is there any good reason why there should be a separate list kept of Notable Irish people in this article, especially when it duplicates some of the names elsewhere? Maybe I've missed something, but I can't see the point of it? --The.Q | Talk 14:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Makes a bigger list/page. 86.17.247.135 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a list of Irish people. Unnotable as I am, I am Irish, so am I entitled to be on this list? Notable is rather subjective anyway! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.99.62 (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

"[This list covers] people who chose to adopt an Irish identity "
Is this serious? It must be because it's at the top. Are you really saying you will call someone Irish because they "adopt an Irish identity"? What does that even mean, and is it really a way to run an article about the nationality of individuals? Get serious - and accurate. 86.17.247.135 01:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Following an exchange on my talk page I have amended the article to read "...people who have lived in Ireland most of their lives and/or have adopted Irish citizenship...". However, my interlocutor has already reverted it once and may do so again, even though my edit is based on his creative interpretation of the original text in dispute. 86.17.247.135 04:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This change reflects the users gross inability to understand what an example is. John Reaves (talk) 04:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand what an example is. However, I do not understand how someone can give an example which bears absolutely no relation to the statement in dispute and does not answer my specific queury as to why that statement should remain in place. (When I ask "what is the time please" I do not expect a reply of "pink!" - via "I don't have to tell you anything".)  Neither do I understand how an "editor" who watches pages can tell another user that they do not have to explain why they reverted an edit (and basically admitted they didn't read it, only the comment in the history page) and ignored the justification made for said edit. Just visit my talk page, and also his for my initial questions to him about this point. 86.17.247.135 04:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * To illustrate a point, one of the examples given was of an American with some Irish ancestry. I directed my interlocutor to the list of Irish-Americans..... 86.17.247.135 04:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * When an edit is so obviously unnecessary, it is unnecessary to explain (unless of course the offended editor is annoyingly persistent). It's especially annoying to work with editors who tend to make things up (such as "basically admitted to not reading it").  Once again, failure to understand an example.  It's was just an example of how someone could "adopt an Irish identity". John Reaves (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You went by my comment "Very silly" and not the detail of my change. 86.17.247.135 05:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But your point was that they ARE Irish if they have an Irish ancestor! Why would someone who IS Irish need to "adopt an Irish identity"? THEY'RE ALREADY IRISH! It is two different points!  Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!  86.17.247.135 05:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You still have not reasonably explained why my edit is "obviously" unnecessary when you still cannot explain (directly, not in the "spirit") what the statement means. If it is so obvious please do tell. If people need to adopt an Irish identity then, by definition, they are not Irish - they are adopting it. What does the title of this list say? List of Irish People! 86.17.247.135 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * John Reaves, your "compromise" only works if you now merge this list with others such as the "Irish-American" list. Otherwise every single person listed on the latter should also be listed here which renders the latter obsolete! This isn't how Wikipedia should work.  John F Kennedy wasn't Irish.  He was Irish-American.  This is a list of Irish people, not Irish plus Irish-Americans, Anglo-Irish, Tibetan-Irish etc etc.  What a mess...... 86.17.247.135 06:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of edit warring and violating the 3RR (two users have violated this), please come to a compromise. See WP:DR and file a report with the cabal.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 06:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, one has. My last edit was a self-revert, perfectly acceptable.  John Reaves (talk) 07:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

22 Jan changes
Discussion is taking place on the talk pages of the two in disagreement. 62.25.106.209 15:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Word changes
"Choose to adopt an Irish identity" is opinion - unless the person has specifically stated that they have done so (and how often does that happen unless they have other factors, such as prolonged inhabitation or ancestry?), it is just your opinion that they have done so - another person could claim that they'd simply picked up an accent. On the other hand, 'have lived in Ireland for a long period of time' is fact - period of inhabitation is often used as criteria for considering someone a particular nationality (whether they agree or not), and is a criterion for legal inhabitation. Michaelsanders 11:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Mind you, it is still possible for people to consider themselves Irish even if they have never lived in Ireland - if a parent is Irish, for example. And that should be in the top list. But there is no 'choice' involved there. Michaelsanders 12:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed to take above into account. Michaelsanders 13:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck with this one. Reaves spent about seven hours the other day refusing to allow any edits to that statement without ever explaining what it meant. -- 86.17.211.191 01:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Another sockpuppet? Wow ... John Reaves (talk) 01:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Reaves, Reaves, Reaves, will you ever learn? It's your old friend from last week.  You really should just give up, close your account and move on. Your talk history is starting to get embarrassing.... -- 86.17.211.191 01:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's true; however, I'd prefer to avoid this degenerating into (another) shouting contest, so shall we all try to be civil here and discuss the issue at hand without hurling accusations of 'sockpuppet'? Michaelsanders 01:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it's a sockpuppet anymore. WHOIS shows this IP as being in the same range as the original IP (86.17.247.135). No more embarrassing than yours Sanders, mine is just not censored. John Reaves (talk) 01:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Your last comment was 1) incomprehensible and 2) didn't appear to have anything to do with the Irish. Michaelsanders 02:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I sorry you are unable to comprehend. The IP address is in between a range of IPs meaning it probably switches on its own, and not at the discretion of this user. John Reaves (talk) 02:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Irish scientists, engineers and inventors
I am opposed to this amalgamation - Irish people is already too long and contains links to "more comprehensive lists". Why could that not be done here? I favour restoring the page List of Irish scientists, engineers and inventors. In any case "List of Irish people" is a very poor page title - surely it should be something like "List of notable Irish people" or similar? Peter Clarke (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I did the merge because it has been sitting with the merge tag for almost a year with no opposition or even any comments at all. If you think it was inappropriate, then by all means, be bold and find an alternative solution that suits your own personal vision. Just don't add the merge tag again ;) -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 18:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:V
I tagged this article as unreferenced. Each and every entry needs to be referenced to a reliable source or else it may be removed. I'll come back in a week or so and remove those entries which are still unreferenced. --John (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A month later, with no references (not a single one!),so I have redirected this. Please don't restore it without references. --John (talk) 03:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed redirect - see other examples at Lists of people by nationality
I think a mistake has been made in redirecting this page. There are about 150 lists by nationality listed by the MoS - check them at Lists of people by nationality. NONE of them (that I can find) have references. Why is a trail being blazed here? If the editor doing this has a problem with the list format, the place to bring it up is at the relevant Manual of Style section, and then when it's sorted out, action can be taken. Hohenloh +00:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Please then explain how, for example, Jim Morrison, John Lennon and Paul McCartney qualify under the article's stated criteria of: "People who were born on the island of Ireland and/or who have lived there for most of their lives." and "People who, though not necessarily ever having been born or lived in Ireland, have been raised as Irish, and/or have adopted Irish citizenship". As you restored the list I assume you will find it easy to explain your actions. Failing that, please restore the redirect. Thanks in advance. --John (talk) 05:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:lists is pretty clear. Unless someone is prepared to sift through and verify this, I will redirect it again per WP:BLP, probably tomorrow. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --John (talk) 04:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone is alive, and you dispute whether they belong on this list, and the name has no citation, remove it. There's no reason to redirect the entire list per BLP, since some people on the list are dead. --Pixelface (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And another three months later we still have a total of ... zero references. Tremendous. What are the criteria of this list? Not really sure. Again, I give notice that I will redirect this unless it is referenced. It can't sit here like a giant steaming turd for ever without references. Respectfully yours, --John (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:CIVIL and see my contribution above. Thank you. Hohenloh +00:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had already read your contribution above back in December and was already familiar with the contents of WP:CIVIL. Are you at all familiar with WP:V, WP:RS and WP:BLP perchance? Love your new sig. --John (talk) 01:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this list really a worthwhile article
Was updating this list and realized that it's useless really. Would anyone really search for a list of Irish people or is this merely a vanity piece? Would there be any objections to a deletion? --HighKing (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly Irish Melkite (talk) 11:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever about the intrinsic value of 'lists', this one seems to follow a pretty well established format - see Category:Lists of people by nationality. RashersTierney (talk) 11:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

'claiming ownership of people'
There are enough talented Irish people without claiming ownership of people like Spencer Tracey and others who are American born citizens and who's great great grandparents may have been Irish. This misinformation renders everything on here untrustworthy. I've even heard the Irish lay claim to Mohamed (Great Irish name that) Ali / Casius Clay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.166.42 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 23 July 2012

Sam Neill
Should Sam Neill be on this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubs boy (talk • contribs) 16:20, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Meets the criteria in the lead-ish "This is a list of Irish people who were born on the island of Ireland and have lived there for most of their lives". Leave it here and see if there are any objections, cant be as bad as "Patrick Dempsey – actor, best known for his role in Grey's Anatomy (born in United States)", removed that one for the obvious reasons. Murry1975 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think this 66 year old man having being born in Northern Ireland and spending 7 years here as a child qualifies as "born on the island of Ireland and have lived there for most of their lives". So no they shouldn't be. That's 7 years here and 59 years not living here. Mabuska (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Either you have a vested interest or you are just following me. Ill go with the latter. Liam Neeson has probably lived longer in the USA than in Northern Ireland. I'll remove him from the list aswell.Dubs boy (talk) 21:34, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised how many Ireland related articles are on my watchlist we me being an editor heavily involved in Irish-related articles. If you wish to make unfounded allegations then be my guess, it doesn't aid you in anyway. Neeson spent almost half of his life in Northern Ireland (born in 1952, moving away in 1980 or so), so about 28 years out of his 61 on Earth, far more than Sam Neill ever did. Whilst obviously technically most of his life is now not in Northern Ireland it is quite substantial and he is regarded as Irish not American. Sam Neill is regarded as a New Zealander. Mabuska (talk) 21:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Nothing surprises me with you Mabuska. Does this mean you are a single purpose account? I think Liam Neeson also holds US citizenship. Not to poke holes in your argument, just stating facts, but forget it, this isn't an encyclopedia, what was I thinking, too much green tea, has given me a light head.Dubs boy (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Please abide by WP:AGF, your continued antagonistic comments do you no favours. How does Liam regard himself? For people born in Northern Ireland the convention is that if they have stated they are Irish or British or whatever etc. then that's the way to go, though that discussion is for that is for that article, and it wouldn't be the first time.... Mabuska (talk) 17:45, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You have called me an SPA. AGF? You didn't so that would make your comment above hypocritical. right? Comments are only antagonistic if you look at them through red mist.Dubs boy (talk) 18:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Where did I call you a spa? I can't remember if I did or not but looking around through our interaction history I can't find any evidence, so if I did please provide the diff. Also the comment about you being a single purpose account was made by Canterbury Tail not me so why you threw that at me as well above makes no sense. You seem to be confusing editors together and spreading bad faith around this project. I insist that you stop. Mabuska (talk) 10:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I realise you weren't trying to highlight the word spa but the abbreviation SPA, which as already stated I didn't do. Mabuska (talk) 21:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Full protection is unnecessary
The new editor was blatantly promoting. We block people for promotion all the time. What warrants a full protection here? Pinging Johnuniq as the protecting admin.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 06:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I left a polite warning at their talk. What about WP:AGF and WP:BITE? I might be inclined to indef certain kinds of editors after their first edit but that is not standard procedure. OTOH I did not spend very long looking at their edits. If you think an indef is warranted, perhaps try ANI? Johnuniq (talk) 06:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, a short protection was needed due to the edit war about to emerge. And to protect the new editor. The Banner  talk 10:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)