Talk:List of Jessie episodes

Title References
There is enough evidence that most of Jessie episodes are either references or parodies to other things. I have made title reference as a standard segment for each episode. If you get the reference of a title, just add it following the standard used in the other episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismunywoki (talk • contribs) 21:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Production numbers
Why are the references removed from aired episodes? Is there another source that lists them? Msgohan (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The episode itself is considered a primary source of information for that episode. It is assumed that the episodes that have aired can be checked directly for information if someone wants to WP:verify the information in that episode. Info added about aired episodes is usually added and easily corrected by people who have actually viewed the episode. Other tertiary sources such as IMDB are also updated by viewers and are considered useable as they too reflect what was aired. Unaired episodes need references as they are not widely available for viewing and info in them cannot be verified otherwise. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My question was about the production numbers. Are they listed in the end credits somewhere then? Msgohan (talk) 03:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In a lot of TV series that is where you will find the production code, usually at the very end of the end credits. I don't know about this series, though, as I haven't checked. The production code should have a reference before the episode is aired. If the episode has aired and the production code is not in the end credits people with inside info update IMDB and wiki with that info. It is generally trusted as aired ep info. About the only thing that really needs a reference for aired episodes is ratings info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

How do you find out when the episodes are going to premiere?
Please Tell Me As I Would Like To Know :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.92.132 (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Look a the list of links at the bottom of the main article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

disneys tv show jessie
the new episode on aug 3, 2012 to keep a dog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.195.176.58 (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Quitting Cold Koala
I found the episode on internet (it was recorded from a TV with a camera), so it should have been aired already. Peti817172M (talk) 16:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably a video on demand viewing. Doesn't count as "broadcast". Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's airing on Disney Channel right now. Jon23812 (talk) 22:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Should We make individual pages for the Jessie seasons?
No. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree; Although I'm always the one that's so anxious to create articles, at this point, we shouldn't divide the pages just yet! Wait until Jessie feeds through season three and we can discuss this again! ChicagoWiz 21:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 August 2013
G.I. Jessie is a one hour movie Jessie goes back to her Texas with the kids and the kids keep on ruining everything, so Jessie quits!

98.18.63.57 (talk) 12:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to be more specific about what you actually want done to the article. This appears to be unsourced information. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 12:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be better to wait on adding information about the episode until after it airs on September 13th. That way we can be better assured that none of it is incorrect. T  C  N7 JM  13:21, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 August 2013
List of Jessie episodes season 2 Break-up Shape-Up 3.5M

98.18.27.176 (talk) 18:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Provide a reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 September 2013
http://www.disneychannelmedianet.com/DNR/2013/Disney_Channel_Sept_Programming_Highlights.pdf

According to this source, the Season 2 finale will be on 13 September 2013. 68.45.225.205 (talk) 04:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Info added. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 September 2013
Season 3 1. Ghost Bummer 10/5/13 Estimating times are 8:00PM/8:30PM/or 9:00PM 2. Unknown 10/12/13 3. Understudies and Overdone 10/18/13 See http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCProgram.do?sId=EP01448290&t=Jessie&method=getEpisodesForShow&epYear=3

98.18.11.96 (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Looking at WP:CRYSTAL, it isn't obvious that these are notable enough to be an exception. The season premier is already included, but the others are less notable. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2013
G.I. Jessie scored 4.8M 0.7R

98.18.11.96 (talk) 21:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

❌ Ratings figures require sources. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 02:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed article split
Hey, everyone I was just thinking if we should split this article into Jessie (season 1), Jessie (season 2) and Jessie (season 3) CHall2002 (talk) 03:39, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Any split would require that season articles contain significantly more than just the lead, an infobox and the episode table. Have you drafted something like that in your userspace? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 03:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I undid a WP:BOLD WP:SPLIT as we should have consensus for this and it needs to be done properly. First issue is that any copying from one article to another must conform to the requirements outlined in WP:CWW for proper attribution, which was not done. I would like to see a draft article as well so see if there is enough well-referenced out-of-universe material to meet notability guidelines for separate articles. There should be for a series this mature, but it needs more that just putting the season tables in separate articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.32.83 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree.The article is too long.Someone should recreate info boxes for separate pages after splitting.I'd be happy to help.--ChamithN (talk) 01:47, 13 August 2014 (CST)
 * "Too long" is subjective terminology. What makes it "too long"? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 08:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * According toSplitting-Rule of thumb,if Readable prose size is more than 100 kB it could be considered as too long to read.This article contains 116 kilobytes.So we can call it "too long" to read--ChamithN (talk) 02:30,13 August 2014 (CST)
 * You've made the fairly common mistake of confusing readable prose with file size. The article is 119 kbytes but, per the definition of readable prose, which is "the main body of the text, excluding material such as footnotes and reference sections ('see also', 'external links', bibliography, etc.), diagrams and images, tables and lists, Wikilinks and external URLs, and formatting and mark-up", there is only 1.886KB of readable prose. Even including the episode summaries only increases the prose size, as of this revision to 50kB. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Another frame of reference should be MOS:TV's "List of ..." structure section, namely the "Multiple pages" subsection. It suggests only splitting for list articles that exceed 80+ episodes, but first, as stated above, it is more about seasonal page content than page length problems. —  Wylie pedia  10:39, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's a great idea I love it Silentsaul21 (talk) 01:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's getting to be along page. I say split it. User:Maxyboyz (talk) 14:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have a rationale that addresses policy or guidelines? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 04:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Awesome Idea. Article is getting very long, I would be happy to help with the creation of the individual season pages, if this idea does go through. --Jonathan Joseph (talk) 04:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Page protection
After noticing endless IP addresses editing the number of episodes and the date for the final episode of season 3, I was debating whether or not to open a discussion about page protection. There is a hidden note (well visible when editing) that IP addresses ignore and add unreferenced content. Do you think the page should require a page protection (until the season is over the least)? Callmemirela ( talk ) 23:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This article is well-watched and stuff like that is reverted quickly. Still some good IP edits. I wouldn't bother with a WP:RPP yet. Maybe someone will actually find a reference and make this issue moot. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

1-hour episodes
some sources divide crossovers in half. should they be counted as 1-hour episodes. If they are not but other season 2 1-hour episodes are, then there will be 28 episodes like it said in the sources. Chasbo123 (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Please don't use fancy fonts on talk pages. You've been warned about this elsewhere. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:26, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * How it was actually originally broadcast is what matters. Usually backed up with how it is sold on DVD, Netflix, Amazon, iTunes. If it is one episode it is counted as one episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that episodes should be counted by length. You said that each episode is 22 minutes so 44 minute episodes should count as two. The crossovers are 2 episodes but one is Jessie the other is the other show. WikiEditor2016 (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Generally, it's two episodes if there are two parts (or two sets of credits). Dcbanners (talk) 19:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Episode 36 is a combined episode of both shows as described in the episode summary. Combined credits, it was created as a single entity, was broadcast as such, and is being sold that way as well. Things count as what they are, not by some time based metric. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Plot summaries
A recent edit by an IP added the plot summary for the newest episode. Meanwhile, another editor says it is too long. First off, WP:PLOTSUM clearly indicates there is NO limit to writing plot summaries. Hence, the supposed 100-200 word summaries only is invalid. Second of all, it would not be a first with long summaries. Here is my list: The Next Step, Grey's Anatomy (season 3), Grey's Anatomy (season 8), Grey's Anatomy (season 10), Grey's Anatomy (season 11), Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 4), Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 8), Chicago P.D. (season 1), Chicago Fire (season 3), Criminal Minds (season 5), Criminal Minds (season 6), The Mentalist (season 1), The Mentalist (season 2), The Mentalist (season 6), Pretty Little Liars (season 1), Pretty Little Liars (season 2), Pretty Little Liars (season 3), Pretty Little Liars (season 4), Pretty Little Liars (season 5), The Secret Life of the American Teenager (season 1), The Secret Life of the American Teenager (season 2), The Secret Life of the American Teenager (season 3), The Secret Life of the American Teenager (season 4), Hannah Montana (season 3), Hannah Montana (season 4), Wizards of Waverly Place (season 1), Wizards of Waverly Place (season 2), Wizards of Waverly Place (season 3), Wizards of Waverly Place (season 4), and SO MUCH more all contain long plot summaries for whatever episode (whether it's just one or more). Another example why the whole "100-200 words only" is invalid. It is rather an opinion, and not a Wikipedia policy. There is none on the length of a plot summary. The plot should remain the same, without any templates. If other shows are how they are, whether from Disney Channel or not, it should apply to this article as well. Callmemirela ( talk ) 20:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:TVPLOT, which is the specific guideline for television episodes, says "there are a couple of ways to present plot information: in a basic prose section that gives season story arcs and main plot points or a tabular format that sections off each individual episode with its own brief plot section (approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines)". This isn't a complex storyline, so 100–200 applies. Similarly, the instructions for Episode list say that the  field should contain "a short 100–200 word plot summary of the episode". This has been discussed at length and has wide consensus. I should probably point out that WP:PLOTSUM is only an essay, while WP:TVPLOT is actually part of the MOS. That said, PLOTSUM says the followingThere is no universal set length for a plot summary, though it should not be excessively long.
 * So, it too refers to WP:TVPLOT as a guideline on length. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Colors
Please do not change the colors of this article. It will remain the same as these colors are the only ones that blend with the logo. Do not change the colors without discussion or previous approval. It will be reverted. Thank you, Callmemirela  ( talk ) 21:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hidden instruction added right below the color codes for season 4 in the Series overview table, to inform editors they need to discuss changes here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Season 3 references
Why are still references for the third season's start and end dates? That season is over, and should be removed. No? Callmemirela  ( talk ) 20:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Differing episode titles for March 28, 2015, from two sources
The episode title is either "Basket Cases" or "Basket Case", but hard to say which one is correct. Discovered this after I reverted this edit by Amaury. MPFitz1968 (talk) 04:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * List them both using AltTitle and RAltTitle for alternate title and reference for the other title. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Jessie - S2 E11 and S2 E15
Regarding this hidden note for S2 E11: Although MSN says that the premiere date is March 22, 2013, Disney Channel itself scheduled the episode for March 1, 2013. DO NOT CHANGE the premiere date. There appears to be another conflict now and, while I left it as is, I'm not really sure what to do. Per the note MSN states March 22, 2013, Disney states March 1, 2013, but Zap2It is stating February 22, 2013: http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/jessie-pain-in-the-rear-window/EP014482900037?aid=tvschedule

Regarding S2 E15, I wasn't sure what the summary reference was for and it appears to be a dead link, so I removed it. Amaury (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

About 101 expected total episode count and WP:SYNTH
This edit troubles me. While the source cited clearly indicates there will be 101 episodes in the whole series, and simple calculation deduces there will be 23 episodes in season 4, since the other three seasons total to 78, I am reminded of this February 26 edit by AussieLegend, who makes a good argument regarding how things actually turn out in terms of episode count. Because the count from the first three seasons has been derived from what actually happened, and because season four is not completed yet, along with the source, independent of Disney Channel, stating an explicit total count, which says nothing about whether they are basing that on the 78 count we got from the first three seasons, I do argue that there is WP:SYNTH in trying to calculate a season 4 episode count here. And there is no guarantee that the final season of Jessie will wrap up with 23 episodes. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. For all we know, there could end up being an even 26 episodes across all four seasons, making 104 total episodes. And even though 101 total is sourced, things can change. Amaury (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've explained this on Rwallis10's talk page. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:54, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

101 E
How is it possible that there 98 episodes if they say that there 101 episodes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.177.44 (talk) 21:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What actually ends up happening is often different than what was originally planned. 101 was from forward looking planning info. What has actually aired is in the article and that is what is counted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Rossed at Sea
This is strange. Copyright Office lists "Rossed as Sea Part 2" as 416 and Part 3 as 415. The Futon Critic and Disney ABC Press list them in the order you would expect. Although strange, it's not impossible that they filmed it out of order for some reason. But I'm not sure which is correct, because the Copyright Office is supposed to be the most authorative source, but it's also possible that Disney made a mistake in the registration. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The Copyright Office is the official record and other sources may have corrected the out-of-order production codes. Or it could be a transcription error from whomever filed the episodes. The Disney ABC Press site is a marketing outlet and I doubt production code accuracy is a high priority there. Strange though. That probably feeds the guide sites. For now I'd suggest sticking with the Copyright Office as the superior reference but add a hidden note to the article directing to this discussion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:39, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * So I just noticed that the April program guide for Disney Channel Hungary & Czech Republic lists part 3 as airing before part 2. (Disney usually follows the production order more closely here, minus holiday episodes which are often aired earlier or delayed – for example, "The Ghostest with the Mostest" aired on October 26, 2015, within the same month as the U.S. premiere.) It will be interesting to see how this plays out if they're really going to air it in that order. I'm not caught up on the show so I don't know if it affects continuity, but normally I'd assume the order of episodes in a multi-parter is significant. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is one of the reasons I hate production codes. They aren't really of any relevance to the finished product and they are treated with more reverence than they deserve. I remember watching a Stargate SG-1 behind the scenes reel where somebody explained that it's often the case that scenes are shot out of order purely for technical reasons: a venue may only be available at a certain time, an actor may have commitments elsewhere that require them to shoot several unrelated scenes on the same day, or props for scene 37 are also used for scene 26 and so they decide to shoot them at the same time, with 37 first. When they were filming Tomorrow, When the War Began in my home town they had to shoot one scene out of sequence because garbage trucks needed access and another one because the special effects bloke had a dentist appointment. It's entirely possible that the production code for part 3 is 415 and part 2 is 416. There may have been some issue that required they be filmed in that order. It doesn't necessarily mean they should be aired in that order though. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Except production codes are often the only way to make any "chronological" story sense out of many sitcoms (especially – drama series tend to be aired "in order" much, much more often, esp. those with strong continuing "storyarcing"). Yes, shows sometimes shoot things out of order (seaQuest looks to be an extreme example of this, based on my recent cleanup work there...). But, much more often than not, production codes are a very useful tool to try to figure out what order a show's episodes should be shown in. And Disney is one of the major offenders in airing episodes wildly out of chronological order (see: Girl Meets World for one of the most flagrant examples). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:37, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I was talking with my friend about this sometime last year, and he said basically the same thing. Another example is that one episode could be finished first while they're working on another one. For example, an episode with a production code of 1-25 could be done before an episode with a production code of 1-22. It's not really too big of a deal when Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, and Disney XD air out of production order episodes because, really, you can watch them in any order. However, of course, when there are significant episodes, such as if a character has a baby in the middle of a season, then, even though they'll still air out of production code order, they make sure that episodes aired after that episode are from after the baby was born, even if the baby isn't necessarily in some of the episodes. I read on the Code Lyoko Wikia not too long ago that when it first aired, episodes aired out of production order, which wasn't too big of a deal because the creators had made it so only a few episodes really explained the importance of the show. That way if someone missed episodes, they could still know the story. Of course, there are some shows that do have to air in production order so the story makes sense. Nickelodeon's Henry Danger does this as does teen-drama series Degrassi. Amaury (talk) 18:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Use of words
There's nothing wrong with saying "kids" in the description of episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fourlaxers (talk • contribs) 22:44, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There most certainly is something wrong with using "kids". This is an encyclopaedia and uses a formal tone. "Kid" (or "kids") is informal and should therefore not be used. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 04:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There is also a small section in the Merriam-Webster entry for kid discussing whether it is slang. According to that entry, it states: In contemporary English, kid is neither slang nor improper. It is, however, most definitely informal, so those writing professionally or in a formal register might prefer to use child. (emphasis theirs) MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Aloha-Holidays and Karate Kid-Tastrophe Need Individual Articles.
This and Austin and Ally's crossover already has its own page due to it being a big budget crossover. As for these two the former is a cross universe with Liv and Maddie while the prior was more like that of a mini-cross universe due to Mr. Moseby being the only character from Ryan's previous series Suite Life on Deck appearing.

So let someone respond to this little improvement ASAP.

Bye,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why? "Austin & Jessie & Ally All Star New Year" is a special case, because it was such a big crossover and had such a big plot. That's not the case with either of these episodes. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to create an article that meets WP:GNG for those episodes, then go for it. Just being special is not sufficient justification in of itself. If it really were special there should be sufficient reliable secondary sources to support notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)