Talk:List of Jewish American entertainers/Archive 1

Comment
S/be List of Jewish American entertainers. 24.17.48.241 06:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Why not include Sasha Baron Cohen?
The comedian now lives in America and has an American wife. He's one of the most famous and loved comedians of our time. That he's not on the list of Jewish comedians is inexplicable. Ashrawi (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Cohen is Canadian! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.54.106.121 (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Woody Allen: Jew or Atheist?
Woody Allen is not only included on this list, but he's also listed on Wikipedia's list of atheists. So what are this guys beliefs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Jewish isn't only a religious description, it could also be an ethnic. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (&lt; \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 20:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He is both a Jew and an atheist. You should seek to gain some knowledge of the Jewish people. Please see Who is a Jew?. There are countless Jews who are not religious at all, so Woody Allen is no oddity. One of my favorite heroes, Carl Sagan, was a Jew notable for his agnosticism, among his many other qualities. --AVM (talk) 02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Not all of the entertainers in the list are really Jewish
Several people in this listing have Jewish ancestry, but only on the paternal side. Thus, in strict accordance to Jewish Law, they are not true Jews, unless they have gone through a formal conversion, which happens to be the case in a small percentage only. Those born of a non-Jewish mother who have not embraced Judaism, do not really belong in this list. --AVM (talk) 02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I have a revelation for you. Jewish law is not the only jewish thing there is. There is jewish law, and there is also jewish ethnicity, and jewish culture. Such people, who aren't jewish according to strict jewish law -- which incidentally most jews don't even accept as binding, or even care for at all -- may be jewish on a cultural or ethnic level, if they had a jewish parent, maternal or paternal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkkelf99 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Trouble
For anyone seriously working on this page - please check out Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists by religion-ethnicity and profession. User:IZAK is rallying to mass-delete these lists, so feel free to vote if you've worked on them and want them kept (or even if you haven't worked on them and want them kept). Vulturell 20:07, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This proposal is ridiculous. I've never noticed any Neo-Nazis filtering names onto these lists - there isn't really even vandalism here! The people who post here are either Jews or Directnon-Jews who are simply trying to add information to the page. I feel these lists are very helpful and function like categories, and so I voted against the proposal. Yid613 00:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I actually like categories better but the lists are OK as they are, and I am sure that the large majority of, if not all of the people working on them have good intentions and these accusations are pointless resorting to paranoia. Vulturell 00:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

My name is Exsquzme, and I added my name to this page, because I felt that I fell under both categories of the headline: Jewish & Entertainer, even though I'm still in college, I feel as though I am an actor already, all acting is, is responding to another person, in which every human being already does, so therefore, it should come naturally to everybody, but I really am studying acing in college. I am also Jewish, if my mother told me correctly, I am a direct descendent of the Kohan tribe, through my mother's father Albert Deutsch.

Page separation
Does anyone else think it's be a good idea to take the actors on this page and move them to a separate "List of Jewish American actors" (which perhaps later could be merged with the already-existing List of Jewish actors and actresses?). It's just that the page is way too big at the moment. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 05:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Jack Abramoff is a movie director?
Thats stretching it a bit. Why is Dan Greenberg an entertainer when hes an author? Please stop reverting obvious good faith edits on a whim, Newport and Hmains. Also provide sources for Michael Mann and Bernardt - until then, do not re-add them. 70.146.75.227 07:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Cuba
A question arose as to whether Brett Ratner is Cuban. In the talk section of his Wiki article, the following comment explains the topic. ''The article asserts that:"Brett Ratner was born in Miami Beach to Marcia Ratner, a Cuban-born Jewish socialite." This, however, does not mean that he is of Spanish or Mestizo descent. Many Jewish people migrated to Cuba, especially when it was the center of a large gaming industry in the 1940s and 1950s. Some Latinized their names, and others retained their Germanic Jewish surname.''Lestrade 18:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Lestrade
 * Isn't it nice when you can find a single source that answers all the questions? I wish all research was this easy: "My grandparents now live with me in L.A. They're originally from Eastern Europe and ended up in Cuba as they couldn't get into the States, before finally moving to Miami. My whole family is Cuban-Jewish -- very passionate, hard-working, highly educated people. I feel that Cuban blood running in my veins and I love Cuban food." Mad Jack 20:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
i'm not a neonazi, but i think this is a ultra-nationalist page, i looking for this informations on the internet, and not all informations are true!
 * Say what? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (&lt; \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Director King Vidor is Jewsih

Error
Seems to be nothing Jewish about Linda Ronstadt (mentioned in the section Entertainers); nor in physical appearance, nor in ancestry. It's not the temporary relationship with a certain politician, that caused Jewish ethnicity?--VKing (talk) 12:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Ben Affleck is not. See this link for evidence. http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=950 Cielovista 27 Jan 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 07:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC).
 * Why do you bring this up? Jayjg (talk) 16:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

How old are you? You think, jewornotjew is serious source. I visited this page, two jewish immigrants from Sovjet Union make stupid jokes, without any logic and without any facts. THE PAGE MUST BE VORBIDDEN BECAUSE OF SLANDER AND DEFOMATION. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.103.156 (talk) 12:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggest compressing space
Since this is a pure list, and supplements the Category lists, and is also over 200Kb long, I think we should at least consider collapsing sections to avoid long scrolls. An example snippet is below and I can do this for all sections if there is consensus. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 17:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Name of Article in External Link Section
Changed the name of the external link "Fixed Jewish Success in the American Media" to read the correct name of the title of the article, namely "Jews in the American Media." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.251.167 (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Uh-oh
this. - Wikidemon (talk) 09:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Natalie Portman
this is a relatively minor issue, compared to some of the other issues people have brought up here, correct or incorrect. But it is an issue nonetheless.

Why is Natalie Portman credited for "V for Vendatta", when she can be credited for the much more famous "Star Wars", or the more critically acclaimed role of Nina in "Black Swan"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkkelf99 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've started cleaning up this list, but since it is so long it crashes my Browser half the time I try to edit it. I'll go to bed now and continue later. The cleanup means removing unsourced information from the list. For lists with ethnic, religious or sexuality based information about living people we require sources showing that each individual identify as a member of a particular group - in this case Jews. Most of the information that I remove is probably correct, but as long as it is unsourced it cannot be allowed to remain in the article. When readding names, please be sure to include sources. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 03:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work, but I don't think you intended to make this edit. Jayjg (talk) 03:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the edit? It removes people from the list who's 'Jewish American entertainerness' isn't directly sourced, as least as far as I can see. Then again, I should be in bed too... AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Doh! I made the same mistake - I've fixed it now (I hope): time for bed... AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Epeefleche has reintroduced a number of names of living people because they are called "jewish" in An Encyclopedia about Jewish Americans. He claims that WP:EGRS does not apply to inclusion in lists. I don't think that this is correct - since the list clearly categorizes persons as belonging to a Jewish Ethnic or Religious group, which is what EGRS states requires selfidentification. I am reverting Epeefleche's edits.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The guidance you cited clearly applies to wikipedia categories. Lists differ -- among other things, they have references, which readers can check, while wp categories do not.  That deletion of the entire section of the list, based on the cat guidance, was based on a mis-application of a non-applicable guidance.  Furthermore, I see that Maunus delete all names -- both those of living people and those of dead people, and both those where the ref related to an interview of them discussing being Jewish or otherwise saying they were Jewish or not.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did because I am not going to do the job of sorting living from dead for you. You can readd the dead guys if you wish, and I will not protest.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...Though I'd think it would be advisable to provide a source for them being dead, if there is any grounds for doubt - and on that basis, we may as well have a source for their 'Jewishness' instead. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as they're bluelink's I'd be content with their respective articles showing that they're dead.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose that would do it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "These principles apply equally to lists and navigation templates...": WP:BLPCAT. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with Epeefleche here. The guidelines are addressing categories, which as part of Wikipedia design are unable to have sources. Lists allow sources demonstrating the individual's background and identification to be provided, which directly addresses any concerns. Dead or alive, its sources that we rely upon, as dictated by Wikipedia policy. Alansohn (talk) 23:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What are you saying? Of course we need sources. The question is that here since by including people in this list we are in effect categorizing them as members of an ethno/religious community, when we deal with living people the sources has support their selfidentification as members of that community, it is not sufficient to use sources that classify them as such without taking into account their selfidentification. For dead people generally a source supporting classification is enough, unless there are conflicting sources.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is unclear what you are saying, Alansohn. Epeefleche seems to be suggesting that sources aren't necessarily required. In any case, WP:BLPCAT is entirely unambiguous here, as far as living individuals are concerned. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Do any sources say that any of the names removed in this edit are not Jewish? If not then why would we remove sourced content? Sources are in fact provided, supporting that in fact these individuals are Jewish. This is not a case in which a part of the article is involved at which sources cannot be provided as is the case concerning WP:Categories. Concerning Categories there would be no provision for supplying the reader with sources. But there is ample provision for sources at WP:Lists. The distinction between Lists and Categories in this regard has to be addressed. We would not be including the names that were removed in the above edit if they were not adequately sourced. Sources are provided supporting that the referred-to individuals are Jewish, and I don't think other sources exist that are of a contradictory nature. Bus stop (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Pardon? Some of the names have a reference - though whether it is adequate for WP:BLP purposes it is difficult to tell without looking at individual entries. Other entries cite no source at all. And why do people keep insisting that lists are somehow different to categories in regard to a requirement for sourcing, where WP:BLPCAT explicitly states the contrary? As for sources that someone is 'not Jewish', what will you ask for next? A source for someone being 'not a boy-scout' or 'not an ice-cream-salesman'? Wikipedia policy (and common sense) says that it is for the person wishing to include content to provide evidence. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It makes little sense to treat Lists as though they were Categories, as sourcing cannot be provided for Categories but can be amply provided for Lists. I would agree that names found on this List without sources supporting that they belong on a "List of Jewish American entertainers" should be removed. But many names that have sources provided have been removed. These should have been addressed on a case by case basis. Bus stop (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sourcing can be provided for lists that is true, but still lists based on ethnicity, religion or gender/sexuality categorize people as belonging to a particular community, in order to comply with WP:BLP it is essential that we are able to show that the living person in fact identifies as a member of that community.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think that lists and categories should be treated differently, then propose a change of policy. Regarding the names removed that had sources, I agree that they should be addressed on a case by case basis - the relevant source should be checked, and if it is acceptable, they can be added back. Some of the 'references' seem to be nothing more than a link to a Google Books search result - and this clearly isn't proper sourcing for anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I further note that this article is being cited as a source. It is a review of a book entitled "Stars of David: Rock 'n' Roll's Jewish Stories". Not the book, but a review of it. Are we really going to accept a name mentioned in passing in a book review as a reliable source for someones ethnicity? I hope not. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree w/AlanSohn and Bus, above. Especially as to the distinction between cats and lists, which on wp are distinct from each other, and consequently have different guidelines (as is apparent even in the title of the guideline cited).  As to RS reviews of books, yes -- that's the nature of what we view as an RS as to what the book said.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Then you an Alansohn and Busstop should work to change the BLP policy. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Epeefleche, to be clear about this, you are claiming that the jewishjournal.com book review can be used as a reliable source for the ethnicity of the individuals on the list? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Maunus—this is not a productive edit. You can't expect anybody to respond to the removal of 100 names. Bus stop (talk) 22:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If Epeefleche had wanted to be productive he would have participated in the discussion to build consensus before reinserting 100 names with sources that others had already concluded are insufficient in relation to policy. I am sorry Epeefleche did all that work in vain but if he had tried to participate in the discussion first he could have saved his time. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Maunus—you are not the only concerned editor. No one should have to respond to the removal of 100 names. This is a collaborative process and some tasks are too large for most people. It's not rocket science. If you wish to question some of the entries on the "List of Jewish American entertainers" then the normal course of action is to use the Talk page. You also might consider looking for sources on your own. That would not be out of the question. Each of the individuals (that you removed) are understandably different. Some may be similar but it is not for one editor to decide in the absence of every other interested editor that 100 names should be removed. Bus stop (talk) 22:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are quite correct that I am not the only concerned editor, which was why I took it to the talk page immediately after removing them the first time, where AndythGrum and Jayjg concurred with my judgment. Epeefleche could have participated in that discussion instead of acting unilaterally against what three editors had already concluded were the appropriate procedure. If someone inserts 100 pieces of unsourced information into a BLP then it is the responsibility of each of us to remove them. It is not my job to find sources - it is the job of the one who includes information to make sure that it is adequately supported by sources. This is basic policy.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Maunus—there is no realistic way for another editor to respond to your removal of so many names at once. Had you nominated the article for deletion it would be far easier to respond. No editor "concurred with" your "judgment" that you should proceed to remove 100 names. That type of editorial step is antithetical to collaborative editing. Bus stop (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes they did and I only removed them as the result of a longer discussion at another talkpage in which those editors encouraged me to take action with the sourcing problems on this page. What is antithetical to collaborative editing is Epeefleche's attempt to circumvent discussion by reinserting 100 names with inadequate sourcing, knowing that it was considered inadequate in relation to policy and then trying to force the burden of proof onto us. That is the opposite of collaboration, it is in fact filibustering.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:04, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Policy is entirely clear on this. The unsourced/inappropriately sourced names should not be on the list. And yes, I concur with this removal, as I have previously done in many similar cases. There is no issue here other than a couple of contributors unwilling to accept the agreed policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Maunus—you are expected to make edits in manageable sizes. As a consequence of this edit, the group of names below have been removed from the article. There is no excuse for removing all of these names at once. Many of these names are adequately-sourced. Many of these names are in Categories that indicate that they meet the criteria for inclusion in a "List of Jewish American entertainers":

Adam Horovitz, Burt Bacharach, Beck, Walter Becker, Mike Bloomfield, Marc Bolan, Paul Butterfield, Leonard Cohen, Mike D, Neil Diamond, Adam Duritz, Bob Dylan, Cass Elliott, Perry Farrell, Kinky Friedman, Marty Friedman, Art Garfunkel, George Gershwin, Mike Gordon, Arlo Guthrie, Mickey Hart, Peter Himmelman, Rami Jaffee, Billy Joel, Mick Jones, Steve Katz, Carol Kaye, Carole King, Al Kooper, Lenny Kravitz, Geddy Lee, Jerry Leiber, Stan Lynch, Melissa Manchester, Barry Manilow, Matisyahu, Adam Yauch, Bette Midler, Randy Newman, Laura Nyro, Phil Ochs, Lee Oskar, Michelle Phillips, Doc Pomus, Joey Ramone, Lou Reed, Keith Reid, David Lee Roth, Rick Rubin, Neil Sedaka, Gene Simmons, Carly Simon, Paul Simon, Hillel Slovak, Dee Snider, Phoebe Snow, Paul Stanley, Mike Stoller, Barbara Streisand, Wendy Waldman, Don Was, Amy Winehouse, Zal Yanofsky, Joey Kramer, Scott Ian, Dan Lilker, Dan Spitz, Robbie Robertson, David Marks, Chris Stein, Eric Bloom, Donald Roeser, Joe Bouchard, Greg Smith, Danny Miranda, Rudy Sarzo, Allen Lanier, Richie Castellano, Albert Bouchard, Chuck Burgi, John Miceli, Kenny Aaronson, David Bryan, Paul Mazurkiewicz, Elliot Easton, Adam Duritz, Robbie Krieger, Randy Meisner, Max Weinberg, Roy Bittan, Bill Kreutzmann, Steve Adler, Mike Einziger, Stephen Perkins, Eric Singer, Bruce Kulick, Brad Delson, Rob Bourdon, Steve Berlin, Madonna Wayne Gacy, Brian Yale, Adam Gaynor, Jim Steinman, Dave Mustaine, Benjamin Goldwasser, Howard Kaylan, Mark Volman, Sylvain Sylvain, Fat Mike, Eric Melvin, Kevin Wasserman, Mike Bloomfield, Mary Travers, Peter Yarrow, Tim Alexander, Brad Wilk, Tommy Ramone]], Elvis Ramone, Richie Ramone, Jack Irons, Chris Cornell, Donald Fagen, Walter Becker, Nick Valensi, Jack Black, Alex Skolnick, Howie Epstein, Stan Lynch, Jay Jay French, Mark Mendoza, Josh Silver, Dave Kushner, Jakob Dylan, Rami Jaffe, Paul Westerberg, Dave Spitz, Billy Sherwood.

Common sense should indicate that you should start with a few names that you feel clearly do not belong on this list. Allow other editors to respond. And then move on to those that may be more controversial, or that perhaps occupy a gray area for one reason or another. That is collaborative editing. The above removal of over 130 names at once, is not collaborative. Bus stop (talk) 03:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are talking nonsense. There is no expectation to make edits of a particular size, there is an expectation to comply with policy and to discuss before including controversial material. Epeefleche didn't make edits in manageable sizes - he made an edit inserting 100 names which was then reverted following BRD. I do not need to make any such decisions, I am conmpletely free to remove unsourced material from any article. Especially when it might conflict with our BLP policy. Membership of a category is not a reliable source for inclusion. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 03:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Any names on this list that are unsourced or poorly sourced can be removed immediately, without question, and they need not be removed one at a time, or in small groups. This list has been filled with unsourced/improperly sourced names for years, and even been through an AfD, and the statute of limitations on these names has expired long ago. That said, as has been established many times before, WP:EGRS is irrelevant to Lists, and WP:BLPCAT explicit applies only to lists "that are based on religious beliefs or sexual orientation", not to ethnicity lists, so it doesn't apply here. The only policies that apply here are WP:BLP and WP:RS. While I think this article should be deleted, while it exists, it need only comply with actual policy - but it must comply with that policy. Jayjg (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * See also Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality: "As to the inclusion of people in an ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexuality related category, please remember that inclusion must be based on reliable sources" - though as Jayjg states, this is an obvious general policy requirement in any case. There is also a possible grey area in assuming that this is solely an ethnicity-based list: it states that it is "list of notable Jewish American entertainers", and the linked Jewish American article says that the term applies to "American citizens of the Jewish faith and/or Jewish ethnicity" - it is thus possible to be included on the list as a non-ethnically-Jewish convert to Judaism, which would fall under WP:BLPCAT]. This isn't purely hypothetical either - the list includes [[Sammy Davis, Jr., Adah Isaacs Menken and Connie Chung as converts. The first two are deceased, and thus WP:BLP wouldn't apply. I'll add the source for Chung to the list. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Odd omission
Shouldn't Steven Spielberg be on this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.231.117 (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Davis Guggenheim
Jayjg, why did you delete him? Is this not a reliable reference: ?Hirschjoshua (talk) 04:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The reference nowhere describes Davis Guggenheim as Jewish. It describes his father Charles that way, but Davis is not Charles. The insertion fails WP:V and WP:BLP. Jayjg (talk) 02:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

David O. Russell and Jewish Identity
Jayjg, presumably you deleted David O. Russell because my source only identifies his father as Jewish, and does not say that Russell himself identifies as Jewish. But how should we define Jewish identity? If you define it only as a religion, then the self-identification criterion holds according to WP:EGRS. But Jews defines Jews as an ethnic, national, and religious group. Shouldn't this mean that one can be identified as Jewish under any one of these categories? What, then, is the criterion for inclusion in an ethnic group? I assume this is an open question, since WP:EGRS doesn't answer it. I would propose that self-identification would be too strict a criterion. Personally I don't think there should be some universal, mathematical formula for ethnic identity in Wikipedia, and I think we should err on the side of inclusion. In this case, my gut feeling is that having one parent should be enough, but I don't have sources to back that up at the moment, e.g. scholarly articles about ethnic or Jewish identity.

Also btw you haven't responded to my question above about Davis Guggenheim, so I may add him again.Hirschjoshua (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually it occurs to me that in the event of disagreement about whether someone should be counted as ethnically Jewish, maybe the criterion should be the existence of reliable sources counting the person as such.Hirschjoshua (talk) 06:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course the only relevant criteria are whether or not reliable sources describe the individual that way. So far, you have not provided any that unambiguously describe Russell as Jewish, or as identifying as Jewish. Please take care; these edits are a serious matter of WP:BLP, and you can be blocked if you continue to do this. Jayjg (talk) 02:41, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoah there, Jayjg, no need to get your shorts in a knot. I wasn't looking for a war. It hadn't occurred to me that WP:BLP applies to lists, and you hadn't replied to my initial questions about why you deleted Guggenheim and Russell. I see your point now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hirschjoshua (talk • contribs) 04:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just so you're aware, WP:BLP applies to every page on Wikipedia. The very first sentence says "Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page". That means not only articles and lists, but also Talk: pages, Wikipedia pages, etc. Jayjg (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Jewish American actors/actresses
The categories involving Jewish American actors and actresses are being proposed for deletion. If you have an opinion, either way, you can post your comment at: Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 11. Liz Read! Talk! 00:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Mae West
The Wikipedia article on Mae West states that: "West's parents married on January 18, 1889, in Brooklyn and reared their children as Protestant. Some accounts claim Matilda was of partial Jewish descent", and "Her paternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic, and West's paternal grandfather, John Edwin West, was of English-Scots descent and a ship's rigger". Not convincing enough in my opinion to see her listed as a Jewish actress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by François Pichette (talk • contribs) 19:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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