Talk:List of Jewish American mobsters

Anita Sarkeesian
Anita Sarkeesian the feminist writer was mistakenly included on this list. I deleted her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myglesias (talk • contribs) 18:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Purple Gang members
Under Jewish mobsters, you forgot Abe  Bernstein, a leader of the "Purple Gang," a mostly Jewish gang from Detroit, which gained prominence during prohibition. 149.4.46.65 5 September 2006, 19:33 (UTC)

The following is from another part of Wikipedia:


 * "The Purple Gang was a notorious mob of (mostly Jewish) bootleggers and hijackers in the 1920s. Under the leadership of Abe Bernstein, the gang operated out of Detroit, Michigan, in the United States, which was a major port for running cached alcohol products across during Prohibition, since it is on the border with Canada. The history of the organization was recounted vividly in Paul R. Kavieff's The Purple Gang : Organized Crime in Detroit 1910-1945.
 * Perhaps the most ruthless bootleggers of their time, they may have killed over 500 members of rival bootlegging gangs during Detroit's bootleg wars. Originally, the mob came from young impoverished Detroit immigrants, who engaged in theft and armed robbery along Detroit's notorious Hastings Street. The gang supposedly received their name during a conversation between two Detroit market owners, each of whom had been victimized by the gang in its early days. One of them made a comment, "They're rotten, purple like the color of bad meat."
 * The Purples were really a very loose confederation of mostly, but not exclusively, Jewish gangsters. Well, the gang started as a group of juvenile delinquents on the lower east side of Detroit, a group of about 16 or 17 children from the same neighborhood. Mostly they were involved in the usual petty crime of juveniles. . .rolling drunks and stealing from hucksters", according to Paul Kavieff [2].

Violation of WP:NOT?
Since WP is not supposed to be composed of mere lists, would it not be better to incorporate this entire article as the named subsection in Jewish-American organized crime? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sbharris (talk • contribs) 22:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC).


 * As per WP:LIST, this specific article as well as other organized crime related lists provide additional information not provided by categories. Also, this list among others, is meant to be split from the main Jewish-American organized crime article so to avoid cluttering up the page. MadMax 07:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Reference issue
As discussed regarding similar issues with List of Italian-American and Irish-American mobsters, this is an issue involving specific articles not lists or categories. Also, given the contradictory templates, I've removed the refences and verify templates as references identifying those involved in organized crime are listed in the "references", "further reading" and "external links" sections. MadMax 07:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Moses Annenberg
Move Moses Annenberg (1877–1942) to here. What is the proof that he is a "certifiable" "mobster" please? Nothing in the Wikipedia article about him says that he was a "mobster." Going to jail for tax evasion does not equal being a "mobster." See WP:LIBEL. IZAK 05:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The article itself is a stub, however I've added books detailing his extensive involvement in Chicago's "circulation wars" which involved extortion and labor racketeering as well as his involvement in the National Wire Service and illegal gambling. Also, if you are not aware, tax evasion was often used to imprison organized crime figures (most notably Al Capone) when prosecutions for other crimes failed for various reasons. His criminal dealings are well detailed in the books I've provided and, in my view, does not constitute libelous statements. MadMax 07:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If one who is reading this is a polyglot, please translate any of the pages in this section into Hebrew- this would be greatly appreciated - thank you

Somebody needs to add something to Annenberg's page about him being a mobster if he is to remain here. Remember, this is not a list of criminals, it is a list of mobsters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.51.0 (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Referencing
Look, guys, here's the issue. This article had been marked that it needed inline citations since October 2007. That's a long time, but there had been a list of books that were given as references included for that long as well. User:Evenmoremotor changed that reference section heading to "Further reading", which was misleading and negated the fact that at least book references were given. The only problem with the edit made by IP 71.184.49.28 here was that a link to a geocities page was added. That was all that was necessary to remove, the inline citations are valid, proper and needed. There is no reason to edit war over this, on either parts, nor remove what was a lot of work to cite the people, none whatsoever. Meanwhile, User:Evenmoremotor should recognize that when an IP editor works on a page on more than one occasion, his or her IP may be on a dynamic connection, which means that the complete IP number may change each time. The assumption of good faith is supposed to occur, and sock puppet cases should not be opened because the dynamic IP changes. That isn't what WP:SOCK is meant for and it wastes everyone's time. Work it out here, don't forum shop, User:Evenmoremotor for someone to back you up and try working with people, not fighting against them. It's tiresome. Some of your edits are fine, others, as I've noted before, are based on either a misunderstanding or a misapplication of guidelines and policies. You can't simply try and bully people into seeing things your way. You should consider that just perhaps, editors with more experience may have a better understanding of how policies and guidelines are applied. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm really not the one with the problem here. If Evenmoremotor had explained he thought the page violated WP:EL I would have gladly left it at that. I assume you've seen the revision history ? It's not really all that helpful to me when he starts making vague statements and putting weird numbers in his edit summeries. I also don't appreciate his reverting my similar edits to Ike Bloom and Johnny Spanish. I specifically took issue with his removing a link to an excerpt of "Stalking the East Village" which is based on a fairly well-known published work "Infamous Manhattan" by Andrew Roth. Just because it was hosted on a site which had personal websites doesn't mean that every webpage on the website violates WP:EL. For the record, Evenmoremotor removed that link because it was no longer active not because it violated WP:EL. I think it's more than appropriate to be included as an external link and I'd be willing to go to WP:RS to back that up. Anyway, thanks for responding and I hope this is settled now. 71.184.49.28 (Talk) 07:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Removal of red links
First off, I did the most of the work in sourcing this article. I've seen that recently some anonymous editors have been posting fake names to the list but I don't understand why perfectly notable mobsters were removed. When I sourced the remaining red linked names, which I did explain in my edit summary, you immediately prod the article. Kind of an extreme reaction don't you think? Aside from WP:RED, I think this list clearly meets Categories vs lists (which I realize is an essay, not policy). I hope you'll do me the courtacy of responding here before taking this to AFD. 72.74.196.176 (talk) 12:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity
Many different editors deleted peoples pages from wikipedia for various reasons. If they don't meet the criteria for a wikipedia page, then they don't belong here. Brest Voblast (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)Brest Voblast


 * I don't think you're being entirely honest about the situation. Your not just de-linking red links, your removing references and specific cited information. For instance, it's generally acknowledged that Dan Carroll and Solomon were partners during Prohibition. There is at least one cited reference that supports this statement (Fox, 1989). Your edit removes any mention of Carroll and, in fact, implies that Solomon ruled Boston's underworld alone during this period. This is blatantly false and misleading.


 * You removed every red linked name regardless if they were deleted or not. Jack Entratter for example, a very notable figure in Las Vegas during the post-WWII years, was never deleted. The ones that were deleted were because of BLP concerns, as seen in your edit summaries, not because they failed WP:N. What proof is there that the deleted article on Dan Carroll was even about a mobster?


 * You defend removing these names saying that "just because it was in a book does not mean it should be here". I assume by this you mean that all of the given references are "trivial mentions"? As I said in my edit summary, you need to check those references again. I not only double-checked the references before reverting but added one or two extra. Almost all of these books contain quite detailed histories on each mobster listed. Monya Elson alone has articles from The Village Voice and the New York Daily News. Clearly these demonstrate "significant coverage" of said individuals. 72.74.214.84 (talk) 02:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Moe Sedway
Why is the lemma Moe Sedway not notable; Sedway is an important Link for the Histoty of Organized Crime in Las vegas Casino history; Who deleted this lemma ?? --ChikagoDeCuba (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC) well done. izs' alive. --ChikagoDeCuba (talk) 21:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

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Jewish?
Please see discussions at Talk:Marat Balagula, Talk:Joseph Weil, and Talk:Jack Zuta. Unless they are shown to be Jewish with reliable sources, they should be removed from this page. —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As this proposal has been undisputed here and at the other three talk pages for nearly a year, I have removed these three from this page. —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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