Talk:List of Kim Possible characters

Merge
What's up with this? This "article" is useless-everything is shown on the main page. Why delete every article ,except for the two main characters, in the beginning-and why replace them with this?LAN9 (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The current page is pretty much useless. It is not covered by any sources and does nothing to assert the character's notability. As it stands it won't survive an AFD. It was much better before. It says that Wade graduated college in 8 months, but there is no evidence of this. At least in the original version it contained citations to episodes. - perfectblue (talk) 19:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I suppose this page will disappear-and I'm not sorry about it. If these articles were "killed" by Wikipedia rules, then every cartoon is in the danger zone. LAN9 (talk) 10:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that that was the idea. Not everybody approves of Wikipedia hosting popular culture content. Personally, it was this kind of content that attracted me to Wikipedia. I needed to learn about Western culture, particularly American culture, and I found this a perfect resources for pop-culture. Sadly, a lot of that content is being removed. Without it Wikipedia holds fewer attractions for me. - perfectblue (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear.LAN9 (talk) 20:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Monique is part of Team Possible?
Why the heck do we always had her inside the list of "Team Possible"? I can't recall not even one single episode in which she was adressed as an official member of the team. Yeah, she helps Kim now and them, but so have many characters of the series. Personally, I believe that she should be moved to the "Supportive characters" section. So, unless someone has a good reason for not to, I'll be doing it in a few days. --Alexlayer (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No objection? Well then.--Alexlayer (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting
It seems clear to me that most of these articles are permanently lost for most Wikipedia users. But could it be possible to get a look at them one more time?LAN9 (talk) 09:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be possible. If the pages are still there, even if it's only with an Auto-Redirect, you should still be able to check the previous versions through the historial. For example, search DNAmy and it instantly redirects to this article, but look on top, where it says "(Redirected from DNAmy)", click there, and you'll be able to access to the actual article that usually redirects you here. Check its Historial, and you'll be able to see the latest versions of the article before it was erased. For example: This. --Alexlayer (talk) 09:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks!LAN9 (talk) 11:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Drakken
In my humble opinion, it doesn't seem fair that Shego is still allowed her own page, yet Dr. Drakken gets no more than a few vague sentences. Sincerely, DanMat6288 (talk) 03:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But who is to decide which charactersLAN9 (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC) are notable enough?
 * How about common sense? Dr. Drakken is one of the main recurring characters, who drive the plot. As such, he deserves more than a few short lines denouncing him.
 * Drakken article anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peeveepee (talk • contribs) 06:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

If someone feels like making a decent article about him, nobody's gonna stop them. In fact, here's the data of what was Drakken's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doctor_Drakken&oldid=181886749 When someone decided that it wasn't worthy having an article for each character of KP, they were all deleted except for the ones of the main protagonists, Kim and Ron, and Shego's article was saved because it had been worked until it reached the "Good Article" status (The only KP-related Wikipedia article that has reached that, in fact). Anyway, have it as you like. --Alexlayer (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

¡Goddammit!
¿¡Where it all the villains went!?

"Wade Load"?
In what episode did we learn his last name? 70.244.106.126 (talk) 21:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wade's last name was never mentioned. "Load" is a fanon invention and therefore should not be used; canon never gave Wade's family a surname 108.216.245.55 (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Necro'ing, but for the record, last year saw the release of the Kim Possible Series-pitch pre-production bible used to sell the series. There was a lot of "orphaned" information (Kim's father made and sold snacks, Kim's mother was a senator named "Kim Sr.", Zita was Kim's best female friend) which did not make it all the way into Production and canon, but in it "Load" was Wade's last name. Which can only be viewed as apocryphal trivia. So still not appropriate here. Love Robin (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Monkey Fist's Birthdate
Not only does it qualify as original research, an interview with one of the show's writers (I believe) stated that Monkey Fist was in his "early forties." Being born in 1966 would leave him at 36-40 for the show's duration, making him too young. I'll leave the line for now, but once I find the link to the interview, it will be posted here and the birthdate will be taken down.

70.249.162.19 (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheerleaders
Suddenly I notice the names of the Middleton Cheerleaders has changed. Who did this? It curently reads:

"Along with Bonnie, the other main cheerleaders in Middleton High included: Tara (long wavy blond hair), Crystal (short wavy brown hair), Chloe (long straight blond hair), Liz (short wavy red hair with purple headband), Jessica (long black hair, no mole), and Marcella (long black hair, mole)."

It has been that 'Chloe' was always Jessica, as firmly established in So the Drama(Bonnie: [standing next to long straight haired blonde] Jessica's with Steve Foley…), and 'Jessica' here should be Hope. The section used to say this. Where ever did the name 'Chloe' come from, much less attributed to the wrong character??

Who should change this back? Or can I? Actually, I'm making the re-edit…

ZigZagStudios (talk) 22:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, whoever is doing the 'Chloe' edits needs to stop, or else give both source of the name and justification for going against the character being called "Jessica" by Bonnie in So The Drama

ZigZagStudios (talk) 04:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no possible justification. Even if someone from the show said her name was something else, it contradicts the actual show, so it would be a case of the name changing between development and production. I just watched that scene in So the Drama. Waynesewell (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not the best at reverting or redirecting. ..
But there's a heck of a lot of vandalism on the article right now. Characters' voice actors have been vandalized to say things like "Snoop Dog" and "Arnold Schwartnizer", and DNAmy's description has been changed from "a bio-geneticist with a passion for Cuddle Buddies" to "a fat lady no one likes." I only have very basic editing skills, so can someone more knowledgeable than me fix it? Please and thank you. 76.77.217.209 (talk) 00:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Ugh.  Damned bored kids... (The preceding editorial comment does not represent the opinions of English Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or anyone with enough money to be worth suing.)  rdfox 76 (talk) 05:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge with minor character lists
Lists of minor anything are not appropriate on Wikipedia; minor issues are dealt with for completeness on topics which are themselves not minor. A list of Kim Possible characters is a notable topic, but separate lists of minor Kim Possible characters are not. As such, List of minor family members of Kim Possible, List of minor allies in Kim Possible, and List of minor villains in Kim Possible should be merged into this page. Neelix (talk) 19:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Lonnie versus Loni
The name Lonnie is typically used for boys. The female equivalent is Loni. Both sound the same, so unless there is an official source showing the male spelling (the credits don't list the names of other than the major characters), the female version of the name is most likely. Changing. Waynesewell (talk) 13:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

"Lonnie" is a valid girl's *nickname*, whereas "Loni" is a *name*. Since Bonnie is spelled as it is, then "Connie & Lonnie" would have the same formatting as it apparently is a Rockwaller naming scheme. 108.216.245.55 (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Since the show never provided the spelling of the names, that is an assumption. It is also an assumption that the standard girl spelling would be used. What makes your assumption better than mine, when yours is non-standard? Sure, it's a Rockwaller naming scheme. That they SOUND the same. Which again, is all we can infer from the show itself. Waynesewell (talk) 15:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * First, Cartoon Logic regarding naming schemes for twins and trips needs to be applied. It is not Boni, Coni & Loni, and it is highly doubtful it is Bonnie, Connie and Loni. Second, *every other* resource about the Rockwallers uses the _onnie format for all three sisters. Why should Wikipedia be the *sole* exception to buck that when the double-edged sword of "the show never provided the spelling of the names" cuts both ways. Yours is just as much an assumption, but one that is unsupported by Sum All Other sources.


 * Finally, *listen* to the pronunciation. It is not a short "Lon'e" as you would hear in "Loni Anderson". It is instead a long double-n "lon'nee". My ears are excellent and I used to do Closed Captioning before speech-to-text programs became wide-spread (and filled with errors) instead of employing stenographers. But you don't have to take my word for it. It will take me time to find it, but I'll just pull out my personal recording of the episode and check the CC for it. Love Robin (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

WHAT other sources? Please link to one from Disney, the only source that matters. Loni and Lonnie sound different? Are you kidding? They sound exactly the same. Yeah, do a screencap of the captioning. THAT would be an official source. Waynesewell (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * If you pronounce Loni and Lonnie *correctly*, yes, there is a difference. Tell you what, *you* dig out your recordings of the episode, and *you* check the CC. At least *you* will see I'm right, presuming you'll own up to it. Otherwise, we could always try asking McCorkle or Schooley on Twitter. Point is: your reasoning of "we don't know how the show spelled her name" works against you just as much as you try to make it work for you. Everyone else accepts the Lonnie spelling, as you are the only one who wants to change it. Which, pretty much is a Consensus in favor of Lonnie and you in the sole minority. Love Robin (talk) 10:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ordering characters by importance
Why is there a huge section of minor "ally" characters listed before most of the main characters? Shouldn't important characters be listed first? &mdash;Coder Dan (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

imdb not totaly reliable
I watched the episodes of Kim Possible with Warmonga in them, and i noticed that it doesn't sound like Kristen Johnston. So i tried asking at the ref desk, and eventually was givven a link to e-mail one of the makers of the show. They told me that it is Kerri Kenney behint the voice of warmonga, and that IMDB isn't right by saying it is Kristen Johnston. She was in the show, but not as Warmonga. That's why IMDB isn't correct, it's also people who choose to put stuff in. N.I.M. (talk)  (redacted) 19:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * While I don't doubt you, per WP:RS and WP:V, we can't go by your email conversation with them. We have to report what third-party sources say, and I haven't been able to find any supporting your claim.  If you can find one and provide a citation to it, I'd be welcome to leave it in, but until then, policy says we go with what the existing sources say.  rdfox 76 (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Google it, don't rely on that stupid everything to know about movies wannabe. There are sights that say it is Kerri Kenney, IMDB is can kiss my *** and go to **** for all i care. It isn't totaly relyable, google it, google brought up a few results, they're disgussions, but they're good enough for a sane person. here are some sights i found: 1 2 Hope that helps. N.I.M. (talk)  (redacted) 04:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Shego's power
Someone had stated that Shego is able to express her power through her feet, citing Mad Dogs and Aliens. I went through every second of that episode and saw nothing of the kind. Please cite the explicit scene. Meanwhile, I've removed it.

As far as I can see, except for a brief full-body flare-up when her stolen glow was restored from Aviarius' crystal in Go Team Go, Shego's has only been expressed through her hands. Even the time in Bad Boy when she whipped up a "chi ball" it was between, and tossed by, her hands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZigZagStudios (talk • contribs) 17:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

"Im-possible" and "Un-stoppable"?
In the various articles about Possible and Stoppable family members, it is repeatedly stated that there is a play upon the words "impossible" and "unstoppable".

However in the Kim Possible article about the show, the Premise section relates "As they tell it, McCorkle looked at Schooley and said, "Kim Possible: she can do anything". Schooley at once replied, "Her partner is Ron Stoppable: he can't do anything"."

So while it may be concluded that Kim Possible can do the Impossible in that "she can do anything", can it REALLY be concluded that Ron Stoppable is Unstoppable since he was dreamed up by "he can't do anything", meaning that the family name implies the opposite of "Un-stoppable" and "Possible".

Should the statements be allowed to stand in these articles as we're supposed to be able to verify everything from Show, Production, and quotable sources?

ZigZagStudios (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Nothing? Okay, a month and no objections, altering Ron's article to remove the "unstoppable" reference. ZigZagStudios (talk) 10:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * First off, Wikipedia is not a reliable source for verifying information, because anyone can edit it. Secondly, I don't see how the "can do anything"/"can't do anything" bit has anything to do with the punnery in the names.  "Ron Stoppable" sounds a lot like "unstoppable," just like how Kim, Jim, Tim, and Slim Possible's names all sound a lot like "impossible."  The two aren't directly connected.  rdfox 76 (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Lessee… Interview of McCorkle, http://www.parentdish.com/2006/01/13/kim-possibles-creators-speak-an-interview-with-mark-mccorkle-a/ and IMDB trivia http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278866/trivia, so Wikipedia is not the only source. Again, the characters are based upon their LAST names, Possible and Stoppable.  And yes, Kim, Jim, Tim, Slim are all plays upon "impossible", but that at least also alludes to Kim's nature as "she can do anything".  However, "Ron" neither sounds like "un" nor fits the nature of his creation as "he can't do anything!"

See, "onstoppable" is not a word, unlike "impossible" which *is* a word. I'm sorry, but the whole "play on the word 'unstoppable'" is what Ron-centric fans who identify with Ron *wish* to attribute to his name. For a canon reference we have this exchange from Ill-Suited… Barkin: You think you're quarterback material with your name? Ron: Ron? Barkin: 'Stoppable', sends the wrong message to the opposition. … so yeah, even the show addresses that there is no "play on the word 'unstoppable'… which makes this statement original research, and thus needs to be cut. However, later in Ill-Suited, the Game Commenter refered to Ron as "Unstoppable Stoppable"; that is a canonical nickname, although late in the series, and MUCH more appropiate than the original research of "play on the word 'unstoppable'". ZigZagStudios (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Rdfox, you need to stop now.

We need to clear this discussion here, on the Talk Page, as we also need to not engage in a Revert War.

RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE ARTICLE PAGE it clearly states that original research should be removed. While "Kim Possible" CAN arguably be stated as "a play on the word 'impossible'" due to the fact that "impossible" IS a word, it was never explicitly stated in any interview or citable source. It also does not match her catchphrases "I can do anything" and "Anything is possible for a Possible"… nothing ever alludes to "Impossible" for Kim. Which makes it original research. It too, IMHO, should be cut. HOWEVER, as "onstoppable" is NOT a valid word, and LIKEWISE CANNOT be attributed to ANY CITABLE source, it is VERY MUCH SO original research and SHOULD BE CUT.

So Stop. There is the canon-citable Nickname "Unstoppable Stoppable" from Ill-Suited. Work that in if you need to get "unstoppable" into the article. Otherwise you need to drop this.

In two days I shall revert the article to remove the original research statements. ZigZagStudios (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Read WP:SYNTH. You are, essentially, substituting your own OR (the name was meant to imply his being the opposite of Kim) for the other.  If you want to remove the comment on the pun, I won't stop you, but the material inferring the reason for his name from Bob and Mark's comments on how the show was created can't be brought in.  As a side note, IMDb is never a reliable source per Wikipedia rules, because its material is crowdsourced, just as with wikis.  (Also, you probably shouldn't get so worked up over a revert done at about 1AM by someone who is groggy but suffering insomnia, and thus wasn't thinking as clearly as they should have been.)  rdfox 76 (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Fine, then I'll just quote from the verifiable and attributable interview that Ron was so named because "he can't do anything", which is a direct and verifiable quote (I'll find others, but the first source is an interview with McCorkle, and thus his own words) and not "my own reasoning".

Just one revert I can let slide without annoyance, but reverting reverted reverts was bordering on a Revert War, so I refrained from feeding into it. FWIW, I have no idea what time it is wherever you are; far as I know, it could be your afternoon teatime. May-perhaps, one should not be editing wikis at 1AM while groggy and suffering insomnia? At any rate, I hope you get the rest you want and feel better. ZigZagStudios (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Contractions
Show you where in WP: MOS contractions is not to be used? Subsection 15.1 Now quit Revert Warring with me. I *shall* admit that "Team" should not have been dropped from "Football Team", and was an oversight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZigZagStudios (talk • contribs) 01:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Allies & Supporting Characters
Either these two sections should be merged (Supporting only has the cheerleaders as a group), or entries for characters such as Tara, Amelia, Brick, (maybe) Monique, Ned, and a couple others should be moved from Allies to Supporting. I'm not sure I have the skill with the wiki markup to affect this, but I suppose first should be discussed if we *should*. Perhaps we need (also or instead) an entry for "Middleton". In which case Rival Bonnie should be a sub under that too. ZigZagStudios (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay… no response. I'll try to restructure the list to shift as per my suggestion. I'll be contemplating how effective a "Middleton" heading will be. Probably get around to this in Jan. ZigZagStudios (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Best Quotes
Is this Listing an appropriate place for character's "Best Quotes"?

Personally I think this will either result in a War of what is considered as "best", OR shall start a *listing* of quotes. I don't think we should start down that road. I say be satisfied with other sites. There is, after all Wikiquote, yes?

Comments, anyone? -- ZigZagStudios (talk) 00:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking as an experienced user, who's never seen this show, the answer is a definite, resounding NO. First, choosing "best quotes" would be original research. Second, extensive listing from primary sources is outside of our mission. Wikiquotes, or, better yet, a fan site are the better place for that. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I thought as much and shall remove them as not appropriate for this page. -- ZigZagStudios (talk) 04:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Re-add free actor photos?
Why should we force readers to click links to actor articles to see photos of them? Re-adding photos would lessen mandatory/necessity to click a link to another article. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't see the need. The Voice Actors already have links to their dedicated articles. Many of the characters in this list are done by the same VA. Also more than a few Character Entries are only a few lines long. Adding a photo will make the page a tad less tidy. This list is primarily about the characters with next to nothing about the behind the scenes. Which is why, for example, there is information about Kim on Main Articles discussing the series, the character, AND her entry on this listing. —Love Robin (talk) 23:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose adding pics of voice actors to any show pages. The show doesn't have pictures of them, and neither should Wikipedia. An encyclopedia cannot be allowed to degenerate into a fansite. Go do it on Wikia.  Abductive  (reasoning) 05:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions
The information on Kim Possible, the protagonist of the animated series, is out of proportion in comparison to Ron Stoppable and Rufus. Also, references are missing--too many claims include the words such as "apparently" and "generally". Lots of information seems random or too detailed. Another issue is that the characters are mostly described in an in-universe style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlu26 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe the use of "apparently" is because some issue are vague. BTW, there's some tag that's kind of questionable here:

"This animation-related article describes a work or element of fiction in a primarily in-universe style"
 * You can say that about pretty much every list of fictional characters. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Motor Ed
The article currently says: "His name is an allusion to the band Motörhead with their heavy metal, rocker biker gang motif." Yeah, well, there may be a certain rocker connection going there, but I think it's much more likely that it has nothing to do with one particular band, and is simply a wordplay on motorhead a synonym for car enthusiast or petrolhead. I tagged the sentence with a "citation needed". --BjKa (talk) 12:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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