Talk:List of Kurds/Archive 1

Kurdish Politicians
qasim amin was also of kurdish origin. source http://www.bakhawan.com/dotkurd/nebez/Inglizi/TheKurds.pdf

I don't think illegal Kurdish terrorists such as Abdullah Ocalan should be considered as "politicians". They are simply not politicians, but mere terrorists.

why was Nezami Ganjavi removed? if his mother was kurdish according to the sources of the main article, it makes him of kurdish extraction as well..

Where is the evidence that "Abu Omar al-Kurdi" is really Kurdish?
I have removed this name from the list, since there is no evidence that he is really Kurdish. There are lots of Arab people in Egypt and Syria who have the family name Al-Kurdi. If there is evidence or proof of this guy being Kurdish, then provide the links please.

Removed from the List---> "Abu Omar al-Kurdi, was a top bombmaker for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's organization in Iraq, Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad."

Heja Helweda 16:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The page is about Renowned Kurds
Agreed. However the list is about Kurdish personalities in politics, literature and science. Al-Kurdi, isnot well known among Kurds, while this list is about Renowned Kurds. You can include it in a list of Kurdish terrorists. He is not neither a writer nor a poet nor a politician. However, please note that I amnot pushing a POV, since '''Mulla Krekar ' another controversial figure and also Ocalan ( considered to be terrorist in the West) are included. The reason for their inclusion, is that these two are well known figures, both were leading political parties (though violent). But this guy Al-Kurdi is at most an obscure figure, he doesnot head any recognizable movement and his name has been mentioned only once in a news article. So I don't think that he is qualified to be considered a well-known'' personality. Heja Helweda 19:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

@Heja Helweda: May I ask why you deleted "Bijan Zolfaqarnasab" []. He is renowned and well respected in Iran. --Sepid aan (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Where is Ismet Inonu?
Or did the fascists ignore his Kurdish identity after the Dersim revolt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doganaktas (talk • contribs) 21:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * His family is from Bitlis and as such he has mixed Turkish and Armenian ancestors. As you should know Armenians did not like the Kurds that much during those years. Is this explanation enough to your Dersim comment ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.47.123 (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Abdullah Ocalan
I think Abdullah Ocalan should be considered as politicians. Whether he is a terrorist, this is a subjective opinion. It is not objective. But he is a politician for millions of kurds. That should be respected. So his name should be out of "Others". --Xerabi (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Southern Kurdish
why Baba Tahir, Karim-Khan Zand, and celebrated Yarsan poets of Guran and Lak have not been included? Most of those who have been included are politicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekistan (talk • contribs) 02:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

the khedive Muhammad Ali and Orhan Pamuk
My kurdish friend claim that they are both kurds, schould they be added to the list? I have not find any reference that proof it, maybe someone here knows. Awakened82 (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

WHY YOU DELETED SPORTSPEOPLE!
hi why yu deleted sportspeople! here a wikipedia archiv  of kurdish  sportspeople !

example: M.Shojaei ,he is with kurdish roots! source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w AT 0:34. M.Nosrati ,He is with kurdish roots, source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w AT 1:30

Ferydoon Zandi,he has kurdish father adn german mother source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w 1.10

ekrem dag: he born in mardin ,kurdish free city in turkey. source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w 1.07

EREN Derdiyok : http://www.bayer04.de/B04-ENG/EN/1342.aspx?guid=1342-542549CC-44B8-4F4E-8A84-828179DD1C58

DENIZ NAKI : http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/fc-st-pauli/2010/08/04/deniz-naki/pauli-star-lueftet-tattoo-geheimnis.html

so pls add this page too!

thx

ali —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.178.58 (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Is'nt he Remarkable
Considered the Kurdish-Arab Ibrahim Tatlıses born 1954 is a arabesque singer. However the page is frozen(Zekeriya Beyaz 09:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iskender yezdan (talk • contribs)

Sorted by country
This list, as every other people list in wikipedia should be sorted by country.the arabic and turkish, kurdish and persian personal names should not be mixed.look at every people list in wikipedia, they all have been sorted by country, like the gypsies which are found in many countries.--85.166.142.177 (talk) 08:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
The following individuals were removed from the list by a certain user, with the argument that there's "no source" to support them to being Kurdish: Abū Ḥanīfa Dīnawarī; Hossein Khalighi; Savareh Ilkhanizadeh; Misbaholdiwan Adab; Parviz Jahani; Nasser Sina; Aram Khalili; Brwa Nouri; Ardashir I; Madig; Nasr; Abdollah Ramezanzadeh; Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf; Mohammad-Reza Rahimi; Ziryab; Ahmad ibn Fadlan; al-Jazari; Baba Tahir Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi al-Shahrazuri Ziya Gökalp; Abdullah Cevdet; Abu'l-Fida; Suleiman al-Halabi; Nusrat Bhutto; Jumblatt family; Imad family.

All of these individuals and families actually do have sources to confirm that they're Kurdish (or could have been) in their articles, or are generally well-known to be Kurds. Thus, I'm reverting his edit. (the only one which is really debatable is ibn Fadlan) Moreover, he claims Nezami Ganjavi had a Persian father, which is not certain at all; the only thing that's certain is that his mother was Kurdish. Znertu (talk) 10:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, this bullshit by that Pakteenat guy is getting out of hand. He keeps removing Ardashir I from the list, which, as you can see in his article, was of (maternal) Kurdish descent. He was born into the Shabankara, a tribe which still exists today and is ethnically Kurdish, furthermore he was said to be of Kurdish descent by a contemporary of his. By paternal descent he might be Persian, yes, but that does not take away that he's partially Kurdish as well. Whether the term 'Kurd' was a social term back then is still debatable, since it appears also to describe a group of people (led by Madig), which revolted against the Sassanids. Znertu (talk) 09:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Classification
I have been editing this page for a long time and believe the best way to present Kurdish personalities is to sort them according to their professions. The recent classification based on country of origin can be confusing and historically inaccurate as many of the poets and writers and statesmen from before 20th century can not be correctly identified as being Iraqi, Syrian or Turkish since these countries did not exist back then. One could think of adding Ottoman section but then probably we need Abbassid and Ummayyad and Mongol sections as well. and how would you calssify Saladin? Caucasian (his family came from Dvin), Iraqi (resided in Tikrit) or Egyptian (ruled the country)? The best method is to classify in accordance with profession. Vekoler (talk) 14:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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To User:Ahmetyal. Please stop remove template. I found many wrong information in this list. Some of them are not Kurds, but Turks, Zazas etc... when you have a time, could you provide reliable sources ? Takabeg (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Mehmet Ali Erbil
Some sources claims the Kurdishness of Mehmet Ali Erbil's grandfather Esad Erbili. However, Mehmet Ali Erbil didn't known such claim before he read article on newspapers, moreover he doesn't adopt Kurdish ethnic identity. So we have to remove him. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * "However, Mehmet Ali Erbil didn't known such claim before he read article on newspapers". Please direct me towards a source.

Regards, Hvakshahtrah (talk) 18:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * According to Hürriyet newspaper (as to a Kurdish ethnocentric claim on Hürriyet see: Talk:Kurdish–Turkish conflict), he said Ben de yeni öğrendim. (I also newly come to know it.) And Haber Vitrini (originally Star newspaper) mentioned that he is the descent of Iraqi Turkmen people. Takabeg (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Find us non turkish sources, and we will add it here --Alsace38 (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there are no non-Turkish sources which claim that Mehmet Ali Erbil may be "Kurdish descent". We can find claims on both of Iraqi Turkmen and Kurdish descent only in Turkish sources. Takabeg (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So this debate is close. (1, his family were killed by turks, because of kurdish roots,2 he says i'am kurdish, 3 he says i speak kurdish). Mr takabeg, i don't care about Mehmet Erbil, i don't like him, he didn't make anything for kurds, like ibrahim tatlises, but they are kurds. bye --Alsace38 (talk) 12:11, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but your Kurdish ethnocentric claims such as his family were killed by turks, because of kurdish roots is groundless and invalid. Whether you like him/her or not is irrelevant to encyclopedia. Takabeg (talk) 12:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am fed up, please, stop! if you have valid sources, show it to us. If not: this debate is finish --Alsace38 (talk) 15:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Who were killed by Turks? Takabeg (talk) 12:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)