Talk:List of Lady Gaga live performances/Archive 1

Performances' section
What about if we split the performances' section into two? One only for her award ceremony (Grammy, Oscar, VMA) and one for tv shows (SNL, Ellen, Jimmy). I mean, Gaga has already MANY performances out there. I think this way would be more objective and clear. Gaga Nutella talk 03:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's an understandable thought, but I'm not sure what we'd call the subsection with shows; "TV shows" or "Television shows" somehow just doesn't feel right. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Performances at award shows and Performances at TV shows? Gaga Nutella talk 03:23, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It'll do for now. I can't think of anything better. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:27, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And I also wanna collapse the Durations in the tour templates, its making the grey boxes appear so freaking huge. For the description part I think we can take it from the lead of each article. — I B  [ Poke ] 10:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Even better would be to just have one overall range for each tour; details on leg dates are better for tour articles. Snuggums (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 14:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm very bothered with that grey box, I'm gonna edit with just the beginning and end, wrtting (worldwide) beside it. All her tours were ww, so there's no problem doing it. Gaga Nutella talk 15:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't think you need to mention worldwide also. Just the beginning and end dates is perfect. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 09:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I was wondering if we both expand it fast and get it on the main page on her 30th birthday in the did you know section. What do you say? --  Frankie talk 09:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know if we have enough time, but let's try. I'm almost done with the performances' section, then tour and lead. Gaga Nutella talk 11:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Tour we can copy from the individual leads and rephrase the content with the sources. That would be easier. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 16:35, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely! I cannot think of doing an exhausting research when everything is there for us. --  Frankie talk 17:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added some. We can follow M and Britney's articles. Gaga Nutella talk 01:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Finished the sections, if I find more performances I will add. Now it's time for the lead, minor fixes and then FLC. Gaga Nutella talk 03:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * WOW!! One day I did not get a chance to look into the article and this is as good as FL! Kudos to Frankie and GagaN. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 09:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering where to keep Fame Kills: Starring Kanye West and Lady Gaga? — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 15:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nowhere if you ask me or probably in the lead. --  Frankie talk 15:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I tought about it tho. We can creat a new section "Cancelled tours". Gaga Nutella talk 16:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with FrB.TG; it doesn't belong (at least not in the tables) since it was cancelled. That is supposed to be for performances that actually happened. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 17:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, lead seems like an appropriate place and we can have it as kind of a trigger and merging factor which lead to The Monster Ball Tour's development. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 18:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * you're one of the best person I know about "lead". I want you to review and see the possibility to expand even more, trim or improve. Can you? It would be nice if you also use that java program to fix sources. Please, dont use your detergent here, the article is already clean lmao Gaga Nutella talk 03:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Dates to use
I was about to add Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga: Cheek to Cheek Live!, though since it was recorded on July 2014 and released that October, I'm actually not sure which date should be used. Trying to see which date others feel should be used. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That's my doubt. Should we add her specials here or just leave them on her videography? Gaga Nutella talk 01:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If it was part of a tour like Lady Gaga Presents the Monster Ball Tour: At Madison Square Garden was, I'd say just mention within tour description and don't give a separate listing. What makes me think this could warrant a listing is that it was a one-off concert not part of a tour or video collection or anything. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have the feeling we should leave these LG's specials only on her videography. At least for now. Gaga Nutella talk 04:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I am going to give an unwanted opinion here. I had copy-edited the descriptions in concert tours to avoid plagiarism. Having said that, I don't think it's ready to be submitted to FLC if that's what you are planning. The lead, I think is the weakest point of the list. First: it does not quite have the professional standards of writing. Second: journalists have analyzed Gaga's live performances in several ways. I don't think a two-line sentence is enough. Besides, references need work and her Born This Way Ball was quite controversial which needs to be mentioned. --  Frankie talk 07:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point in including the live specials. And yes, the lead needs to have some academic material from Gaga's performance perspective, let me try to whip some of it. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That's why I asked IB to review the lead. You can see it above. About the FLC, I'm gonna wait some weeks, so other contributors can see the list and add more performances or other things. Gaga Nutella talk 12:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I had a fantastic lead in mind but I am going to discontinue my work here as we are too many cooks and I am afraid we might spoil the broth. Good luck! --  Frankie talk 14:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You sound really stressed for some reason? I would very well welcome your opinion and I want to very much see what you had in mind. I'm not sure are you annoyed by any comment here? — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 14:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm confused now too. You can edit freely. Share your opinion with us, like we've been doing. Til now I think everything is going fine and the list looks beautiful. Gaga Nutella talk 14:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has been stressful lately and I get annoyed by almost everything but nothing to worry about. I will rewrite the lead with the addition of the analysis of her live performances if that's okay with you. PS I have checked sources and the list looks comprehensive. After the rewrite I believe we can nominate it for DYK (for 28 March) and FLC. --  Frankie talk 17:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Give it a shot! I've added the BTW Ball controversy and fixed the references. Gaga Nutella talk 17:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course its okay, why won't it be? And frankly there's no point in getting stressed over something like Wikipedia, I hope you are taking it slow now and whatever stressed you is begone. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 18:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I really want to find a source for the The Fame Ball Tour's total gross!!! Do you know? Gaga Nutella talk 19:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it seems Billboard never published for most of the dates, like the Cheek to Cheek tour. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 20:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, let it blank :/ Gaga Nutella talk 21:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Opening act
I was wondering where to include her opening act performances for New Kids on the Block and Pussycat Dolls? — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 19:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Lead, definitely. Gaga Nutella talk 19:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have completely rewritten the lead. Please let me know how you feel. --  Frankie talk 16:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ** Live for the Applause, Applause, Applause....** — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 16:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :D I have pretty much checked everything, including the prose, the table and the references and they give me a green signal to move it to article mainspace and then FLC. Should we move now? --  Frankie talk 17:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just one question, in List of Madonna live performances, we have these internal links which redirect to the One-off concerts, live performances etc under the image. Do we wanna add something like that here? If we don't then it is ready for mainspace and FLC. :) — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 18:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Added but this type of infobox is not usually encouraged at FLC but I am going to optimistic about it. :) --  Frankie talk 19:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Perfect, I'm gonna submit right now. Gaga Nutella talk 19:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Supporting act
Can this be added to the list? Some reviewers asked about it on its FLC. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 11:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We can, but I'm still thinking would a separate table be suitable? Also, the set list probably varied a lot. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 12:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could create a new section adding the tours in prose form? ツ FrB.TG (talk) 13:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A table just for it would be very poor and unnecessary. I think say it in the lead is perfect to me. Gaga Nutella talk 19:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, will add the remaining ones soon. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 19:40, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Gaga Nutella talk 19:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)