Talk:List of Latin phrases (N)

ne sutor ultra crepidam
Can I suggest to the maintainers that this be moved to "sutor, ne ultra crepidam" which is how it's generally quoted (so that people may find it looking under 'S' for sutor)? I've linked it to the Wiki on Sutor, ne ultra crepidam, currently the subject of a deletion poll which I hope you will take the trouble to vote to 'keep' as it's a notable and celebrated saying which has always been popular and is still quoted today - thus Philip Howard's Lost Words: ultracrepidarian Rinpoche (talk) 00:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding non diligere Deum, qui mandata eius participando cum perfidis non custodit
Regarding "non diligere Deum, qui mandata eius participando cum perfidis non custodit" as "God does not love those who allow perfidy."

This is not the correct translation of this phrase, nor is it even the complete phrase. The full quote, from a transcription of the original letter from Pope John VIII writing to Athanasius II of Naples is "Probatur igitur germanus tuus non diligere deum, qui mandata eius, participando cum perfidis, non custodit."; which could be more accurately translated as, "Your brother is proven therefore not to love God, who, sharing with infidels, does not keep His commandments." The 'brother' in this case is Athanasius' brother Sergius II who, while Duke of Naples, maintained friendly relations with the Aghlabid Arabs, and was later deposed. The 'commandments' reference the letter's quotation of John 8:47 and John 8:51.

Where does this translation even come from? Grammatically, God is not the subject. No word or concept even remotely refers to allowing anything. I am sad for anyone who got this tattooed on themselves.

If this analysis is incorrect, at least add a proper citation with English translation for this phrase when the change is reverted.