Talk:List of Looking Glass Studios video games

Problem dates

 * 1) Ultima Underworld II was released in the first week of 1993, but most sources place it in 1992. I have multiple sources confirming the 1993 date, but only for NA: all available PAL dates are still in 1992. In other words, citing this would mean saying that the PAL version came out before the NA version.
 * 2) I've got a source for System Shock 1's floppy date, but the best I can get for its December date is the copyright for System Shock CD. I know for a fact that it came out in December, but I discerned this using a mixture of OR and unreliable sources. Not sure if the copyright date is okay to use, though.
 * Copyright date is fine as a source, I think. If you want to use that to say "December" rather than "December 23", that's your call. -- Pres N  19:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Any idea which template I should use? I tried Template:Cite patent, but it didn't work: it links to a site that's specifically for patents, which gives a dead link for copyright numbers. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea. I guess, when in doubt, cite web. -- Pres N  20:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Pretty sure System Shock Mac came out in 1995, but the only available sources say 1994.
 * 2) Flight Unlimited was released in the US, France and Germany simultaneously. Do the French and German versions count as PAL?
 * Yes, PAL release date is "the first time a consumer could buy the game within a PAL country in a store"; it doesn't have to be all PAL countries, and generally isn't due to language issues. -- Pres N  19:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll probably be adding more later. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 16:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you think it looks so far? Am I doing anything wrong? JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, looking good so far! -- Pres N  01:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. Just wanted to head off any potential problems before I spread them through the entire article. I'll keep going like this. In other news, I think I found enough information while working on this list to make a small GA for Voyager, so it looks like I might have to add a 17th article to this topic. Oh well. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 02:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the last citation. What do we do now? Do lists go to peer review, or is it straight on to FLC? Or do you think it still needs work? JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There were some minor things that even I find boring (accessdates on web refs, all dates in the same format, double/triple refs in increasing number order, non-purposeful redirects removed) but I've now done so, and web cites that aren't archived yet should be (optional, and don't bother, I have a script to do it automatically). So... I think it's good to go! I'm sure they'll still find things to critique, but I doubt there's much of anything to find. Go ahead and submit to FLC whenever you want! -- Pres N  20:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks. I'll submit it later today. You've been a big help. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominated. If you want to add yourself as a co-nominator, go right ahead. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference style
What's your opinion on putting the references down in the references section, aka List-defined references, aka like how the references are done in e.g. List of Front Mission media? I know most people don't like them, but I find that it makes it a lot easier to read the list itself in editing mode. -- Pres N  21:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I once tried that on Thief: The Dark Project, but I thought it was such a pain that I completely lost all of my motivation for editing the article. I know it can be a chore to read through these references while editing, but I find it less of a chore than dealing with list-refs. I really respect the people who put up with that format. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought it might be something like that, oh well. -- Pres N  00:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Missing games?
Why list Blue Sky games but not Lerner games? The main article says that they merged to form Looking Glass. --Mika1h (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a complex issue. See here. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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