Talk:List of Love Hina characters

Untitled
About characters, it is which is used (Japan), no ? Francois Trazzi 22:01, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Last name, first name is Japanese order. First name, last name is western order. The English distributor of Love Hina manga chose Western order and this article reflects that. WhisperToMe 23:44, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Shinobu's age
I'm pretty sure Shinobu is 14 at the beginning of the anime
 * A quick search on Google reveals that Shinobu is actually 13 at the start of the anime series. I'm not sure if it's the same with the manga though. Ikusawa 05:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * In the manga, she is 12 but turns 13 during the first volume. Bennity 14:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Shinobu is apparently a 6th grader at the beginning of the anime, but age 14 by episode 11, which is about a few months since episode 1.  By the time Love Hina Again episode 1 comes around, she's preparing to transition to high school.  BobCatHKSS (talk) 03:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Anime is a highly condensed and non-chronological retelling of the manga up to about chapter 75 of the "Burn Up Blade" story arc (if you include the 25th episode that was released to DVD) and that period covers about two years chronologically. At the beginning of the manga, Shinobu is already a resident of Hinatasou and is indeed 12, turning 13 in November, some months after Keitaro arrives. In the anime however, she moves in after Keitaro arrives and is 13 already. By the time the anime ends (the series, not the OVA's), she should be just a few months shy of her 15th birthday. 58.106.147.225 (talk) 11:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Pictures
Why don't we have pictures of the main characters? I would take some using the Love Hina DVDs I have, but I am not entirely certain they would comply with the picture policies... Jay

how do i add a photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpogi91 (talk • contribs) 08:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Kitsune as the Promised Girl
Not sure if this is considered canon or anything (or if any similiar plot development happens later in the manga), but in the Dreamcast game it is revealed that Kitsune is the promised girl (which actually makes some sense from the Anime since they both have the same color hair).
 * I'm not familiar with the game, but in the manga, Naru turns out to be the promise girl. Minami-chan 21:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that in the GBA game the "promised girl" changed depending on the choices you made along the way. If you leaned towards Kitsune, she would be the one, but if you chose Naru it would be her. Of course this only happened in some cases: If you chose Shinobu you would just get a warning from Naru about not breaking her (Shinobu's) heart. --Sphinxer 00:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I played both Dreamcast games. I doubt Kitsune is the promised girl.  You can choose which girl you go after and wind up in the end.  There is a third girl who is in both dreamcast games, her name is Mizuho Fujisawa, and she promises to marry Keitaro if he fails Todai.  BobCatHKSS (talk) 03:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't matter, In the Love Hina Anime, The promise girl didn't have a Kansai accent, so Kitsune ISN'T the promise girl. It's always been Mutsume.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maccaswell (talk • contribs) 13:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Character Seperation
There seems to be a lot of confusion in the minor character section (i.e. Mei Narusegawa, an anime only chracter next to Tsuruko Aoyama, a manga and anime character). There are anime, manga, and characters that appear in both the anime and manga.

Cleanup
Hopefully we can vastly improve the Love Hina articles. Someone transferred and revised Keitaro's article. I started up Naru's article already and will work on that one until moving onto the rest of the girls. I only have several volumes of the manga and DVDs. The character notes at the end of each manga volume is great source material. Other legitimate citations and references to info is greatly appreciated.
 * Also if anyone can find more good images for characters that would be great as well. In particular Mei needs a new one. If not I can provide but it will take a while. -Fox816 03:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Templates
I created an infobox for the characters. Refer to Naru's page for the code. Additionally I made a character template ((LoveHina characters)) remember to use the appropriate brackets for templates. The text within the is correct, not the brackets. Fox816 03:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Natsumi Otohime
Don't you think Mutsumi's mom deserves a place in "minor characters"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HighLight43 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, though she was only there for two pages. BobCatHKSS (talk) 03:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If her whole appearance consisted of two pages, she barely merits a mention in the volume's plot summary, much less her own section on the character list. If it's really necessary to mention her here at all, she should be mentioned in Mutsumi's section. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few characters that can be cut imo. Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A LOT could be cut, from the looks of it. Now that I'm getting close to finished with the YYH characters I may come in here and trim this down. StryyderG 23:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by StryyderG (talk • contribs)
 * I wouldn't worry about it too much just yet, at least not until the references are improved. Otherwise it's not likely to show massive quality improvements, as it will have to be redone around the references at a later time. I would say refs are the priority, and would make it much easier. Thats makes it much easier to remove opinion/OR, which makes it easier to reduce.  Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Some Helpful References
I found some references to add, some of the info in the characters though might have to be rewritten a bit here. The info of the charactors is how they appear in the manga/anime.

1. http://www.geocities.com/crazyjw18/Lcharacters.html

2. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Characters-in-Love-Hina#Keitaro_Urashima

3. http://www.absoluteanime.com/love_hina/index.htm

Knowledgekid87 18:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately all of those sources are unreliable. One is a fan site, one just rips off text from other websites and the last one is just a random site - not exactly AnimeNewsNetwork or AnimeOnDvd in terms of reliability. Any use of those 3 sources will be reverted because they fail wikipedia policy (WP:RS). Dandy Sephy (talk) 23:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I dont see anyone else comming forward to help this article, the problem with characters in a book is that they can be told diffrently by diffrent people. Its an issue on so many manga articles.Knowledgekid87 7:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There are 14volumes of manga that can be used for sourcing, at least half of the article can be referenced with those. It does take time however and I'm still taking a break from major edits to Love Hina articles after getting Love Hina to a B class. Some of this article also needs rewriting. it would be a great help if people could add references from the manga Dandy Sephy (talk) 14:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Manga references are hard to find, but I can look for them to help out, what is currently on this page is fanput information. If you cant find the references, fan made references that isnt opinion based and that most people who read the manga can agree with is good too for this article. Not having any references is worse than having something to work with that people can agree on.Knowledgekid87 16:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * of course they aren't hard to find, anyone who owns the manga can reference most of the article if they can spare a couple of hours. Yes there is WP:OR, but once half the article is referenced, it becomes much easier to accurately determine if something is opinion or "fact". If an event or detail is in the manga, it is sourceable. Other details are sometimes found in the official reference books, I can check those myself (see my reference addition for Haruka for an example). The first thing to do is start referencing what is already in the article with the manga or anime (or if someone has the inclination and inclination, rewrite individual characters while simultaneously sourcing). Anything else on a page-wide level should come after that. Additions that are not referenceable from reliable resources will be removed if identified as unreliable. It doesn't matter if people "agree" to use a "fact", If it's an unreliable source, it's not valid for use on wikipedia. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite status
I'm not sure what the status of each character is in terms of needing rewrites. Has any been rewritten yet? I've reproduced the list of all the characters here, so when a character has been rewritten, please update it on this list. I guess if someone wants to or is in the process of rewriting a certain character and don't want others to mess it up, they can put their name next to the character so others know that someone's working on that one. So far, I've rewritten Kanako, and I'll be moving onto others soon. -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master  07:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Major characters
 * Keitaro Urashima (begun rewrite ds (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Naru Narusegawa (begun rewrite ds (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Mutsumi Otohime (begun rewrite ds (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Shinobu Maehara
 * Motoko Aoyama (begun rewrite ds (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Kaolla Su
 * Mitsune "Kitsune" Konno
 * Haruka Urashima
 * Noriyasu Seta
 * Sarah McDougal
 * Kanako Urashima - Done


 * Minor characters
 * Amalla Su
 * Lamba Lu
 * Hinata Urashima
 * Kentaro Sakata
 * Mei Narusegawa
 * Tsuruko Aoyama
 * Kimiaki Shirai
 * Masayuki Haitani
 * Akiko Taichi
 * Motoko's Friends (Sachiyo, Emi, Kikuko) - Done
 * Ema Maeda - Done
 * Nyamo Namo - Done
 * Keisuke Urashima - Done
 * Village elders
 * Shinobu's Parents - Done
 * Mizuho Fujisawa - Done
 * Ken Akamatsu


 * Animals/Pets
 * Tama-chan
 * Kuro


 * Mechs/Automata
 * Moé-chan
 * Mecha-Tama-chan


 * Others
 * Hina: The Ominous Blade


 * Literally the only work I've currently done (aside from removing a few things) was start Keitaro from fresh with references (most definately a work in progress). Overall it's not too bad (mostly cleanup and referencing), but stuff like "This 17-year old student and resident of Hinata Inn is described as "one fuse short of a cannon" is awful writing. I'm going to be rereading the first volume at the weekend and theres about 4 Love Hina articles I need to work on from the events in that first volume (this page, the two dedicated character pages, and the chapter list summaries), so I'll be working on characters on a "per event" basis. Basically when I come across something that happens in the manga that applys to a character and is worth noting, I write or reference it. That said, theres no reason why people can't do it differently, thats just my personal plan as I need to reread the series anyway and it kills 4 birds with one stone. Dandy Sephy (talk) 14:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Date of Epilogue
Three years or four years? In the manga before the "Four years later" statement it is late August 2001. I know the date is mentioned. My memory is the 21st. After the "Four years later" statement no date is mentioned, but the cherries are in bloom. Ken Akamatsu's diary at ailove.com on April 5th 2005 (memory, need to check, correct within a day) congratulated Keitaro and Naru on their wedding. I saved the text. So "three years, eight months" is closer than "three" or "four". And that should go down to a footnote, but I don't know how to do that. C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 02:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The manga says four years, anything else will be Original research as you will be coming up with a hypothesis from combining a web site with the manga. I would expect the "four years" was just a loose statement, I really don't think it was trying to be specific, and challenging that would require a proper reliable source explicitly stating it. A footnote would still be creating a hypothesis. I don't see how anything over then "four years" is necessary. There are bigger issues on the article then being specific over such a thing. Dandy Sephy (talk) 02:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Character deletion
Ok, I've been looking over the list of characters and a good amount of these can be deleted as WP:Fancruft. This should be a list of major characters, not a list of everyone, plus pets, plus swords, plus etc etc. I'm looking at the main characters and it looks like it should be restructured as such:


 * Main characters
 * Keitaro Urashima
 * Naru Narusegawa


 * Supporting Cast
 * Mutsumi Otohime
 * Shinobu Maehara
 * Motoko Aoyama
 * Kaolla Su
 * Mitsune "Kitsune" Konno
 * Sarah McDougal
 * Haruka Urashima
 * Noriyasu Seta
 * Kanako Urashima
 * Nyamo Namo
 * Hinata Urashima
 * Kimiaki Shirai
 * Masayuki Haitani
 * Ema Maeda
 * Mei Narusegawa
 * Kentaro Sakata
 * Tama

Any objections? Please give reasons if you do. StryyderG 20:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by StryyderG (talk • contribs)


 * Whoops. Readded Tama to that list. StryyderG 21:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well yes actually. With the exception of Kentaro (and Mei to a degree, but thats a lot more complicated), you've pretty much decided all the anime exclusive characters need to go. While they aren't major impacts on the story, I can't agree that they should just be deleted wholesale when many of them have some form of proper relationship (of whatever level applys to each case) with the central cast. Half of the list can be merged into other characters with an appropriate level of detail for a start.  I think the term fancruft is stretching it, it just needs a little tweaking. However I see no benefit in doing anything like this until additional references are added, as theres no point trying to rewrite the page if it's going to have to be rewritten again later to fit the references - especially as many of the characters need to be expanded. List of YuYu Hakusho characters being a good example of this, although the text has been rewritten, without references it's always going to be a half done job. I'm not going to stop you rewriting the characters (I'm concentrating on other LH articles at the moment, so can't really object or help), but I don't think removing all those characters as "cruft" is helpful. The top 5 entrys you want to delete are all worth mentioning in some form at minimum. Perhaps not as seperate entrys, but mentioned all the same. Kuro should be merged to Kanako as with all the other character specific pets. Mecha Tama is clearly of some note, but I'm undecided if it needs a seperate entry or not or if it should go with Tama, or as an example of Su's Hobbies.   Shinobu's parents are clearly worth mentioning in her section.


 * Oh and please don't structure the list in the way you suggest, it's a silly organisation. The current "Hinata Inn Residents" is the most sensible top grouping and "supporting characters" just sounds "stuffy". Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, "stuffy" is not really a valid argument in an encyclopedic setting. I simply was using proper setup for a list of characters from a fictional work. I do understand that the work in the YYH article isn't finished yet, but if you are looking to write around refs, it is pretty limiting. For a character list such as these the primary ref sources should be the original work (in the case of YYH or LH, the manga.). Thus, my method is to write out the bio based on information found in the primary source, mention the secondary source if it is notably different, then reference specific chapters/episodes based on that. YYH I did it backwards by rewriting EVERYTHING before putting up the refs, refs should be added at the same time as the revisions. Now granted this is just from my experience. My current frames of reference are List of Naruto characters and List of Tokyo Mew Mew Characters, both of which have been upgraded to FL.  Please, understand, these are just my own opinions. I will list my reasons for my above list.


 * Amalla Su - 50/50. She appears sparingly in the original source, but moreso in the anime. I would suggest alternatives of a bulleted anime character listing or merging into Kaola
 * Lamba Lu - Same as Amalla
 * Tsuruko Aoyama - Another character with little interaction in the story, if anything merge into Mikoto.
 * Akiko Taichi - No significance in the OS at all, not even a big enough significance in the anime even to mention her.
 * Motoko's Friends (Sachiyo, Emi, Kikuko) - No significance in OS or anime
 * Keisuke Urashima - Does not appear in the OS and appears only as a minor flashback in the anime, not worth mentioning.
 * Village elders - Incidental characters in the anime, definitive fancruft, belongs in a description of the anime, not a character list.
 * Shinobu's Parents - off screen characters in the OS and not really featured in the anime, if anything they with be mentioned as an anime difference for Shinobu
 * Mizuho Fujisawa - Does not appear in OS or anime, belongs in an article for the dreamcast game
 * Ken Akamatsu - series creator who appears as a bonus in the specials and one episode. belongs in episode/specials summaries, not a character list.
 * Kuro - not a specific plot element character, belongs merged with Kanako.
 * Moé-chan - too minor, appearing in only one episode.
 * Mecha-Tama-chan - not an actual character. warrants a mention in Kaola about her hobby of creating mecha tamas but not it's own section.
 * Hina: The Ominous Blade - not a character, belongs in a volume summary, not character list.

Anyway, that's my thoughts. StryyderG 18:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I have reinserted some of the overzealous removal of content, you don't seem to have even followed your own previous opinion. I especially suggest you don't remove out of universe reception information again (especially when it's sourced to official publications!), it's not only relevant, but of importance in eventually building a quality article. While it didn't have a full reference, the comment said exactly where they could be found (and I could always have looked for the specifc page number). Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't believe I was being overzealous, but to each his/her own. I do apologize for not merging them when I deleted them, I had planned to later, just didn't have time yesterday.  As far as the merges added, there seems to be far too much plot (as there is in the entire article).  Shinobu's parents, mecha tama and Tsuruko should really only be one, maybe two sentences in the related character's section and leave all this plot to the chapter/episode summaries.  We definitely don't need a list of mecha tama versions.  As far as the reception information (I'm assuming the character poll info on Shinobu) while I agree the ref is incomplete, it really is not relevant unless those statistics are given on every character.  Why is it only stated on Shinobu, not everyone else? At worst it is trivial information, and not necessarily a reliable source, at best a summary of the character poll should be in a reception section for the entire article.  I just believe it puts undue notability on her. Honestly, I'm probably going to back off on this article for now. I think you and I have conflicting ideas and I don't trust myself to avoid an edit war. No big deal, just my thoughts.  StryyderG  (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I only did a very rough restoration, theres plenty of scope for rewriting it. The reception info was given for Shinobu because I happened to add it from some notes I had at the time. Theres reception info for everyone else, it just needs adding - one of the reasons I think the rewriting of the list the list is pointless until more content is added and/or referenced, as a lot of information thats fairly important is missing (not to say we can't remove questionable comments). It's certainly not trivial information, character reception is vital to make a good character list. It's certainly not undue notability, but it does need expanding to other characters I agree.


 * I've got no problem with you wanting to improve the article, far from it. But you do seem to be quick to throw away "trivial" information, that is actually quite relevant (Shinobu's parents provide important context for why she is at the Inn for example - anime only or not), and for the most part you seem to feel anime only content isn't relevant, when it's just as relevant as the manga. Feel free to discuss specifics, I'd rather we work on the list together, but you need to be more open about what should and should not be in the list. If not you'll only waste time making changes which don't improve the article overall. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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