Talk:List of Marilyns in Ireland

Mess
Stemonitis; on my screen the page is a complete mess. The top three photos sprawl across the screen from right to left; in across the text. I use Firefox, and have encountered this pattern before when you try to line up picture horizontally or vertically if they exceed a certain size some kind of overlap occurs. I tried various remedies and the only one that worked was to reduce the thumbnail size. I would also repeat my request that you stop reverting until we figure out what is happening; because the page, on my screen is indeed a mess; I fixed it and you keep messing it up again! (Sarah777 17:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC))


 * While I have your attention you might look at Croghan Hill; is it an extinct volcano? Seems improbable. (Sarah777 17:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC))

The trouble is that what looks good on your screen doesn't necessarily look good on anybody else's. I, for one, find differing sizes of thumbnails distracting, and overriding the user's ability to set his/her own preference for thumbnail sizes is a bad thing. If you are encountering this problem frequently, then try changing the thumbnail size in your user preferences rather than changing the articles. If that doesn't solve it, and we think that the problem is likely to affect very many people, then it may be necessary to put all the pictures in a column on the right, but not lining up with the entries for the right hills any more. This is a method that became necessary for the article crustacean and could easily be applied here.

As to Croghan Hill, searching the Internet for "Croghan volcano" produces a number of hits, some of which must be reliable, and none of which appear to refute that suggestion. I am not knowledgeable enough to know if it's the same hill they're talking about (although the frequency of "Offaly" in the results suggests it is), and it does indeed look unlikely, given the shape of the hill in your picture, but it would appear to be the accepted opinion that Offaly Hill is indeed (the remains of) an extinct volcano. Against that, whether it really is one or not hardly matters. --Stemonitis 17:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * try changing the thumbnail size in your user preferences - didn't know you could do that and can't find the button. How? (btw, I also find differing thumb sizes messy and spend a lot of time fixing layout of articles including standardising photo sizes - have I been wasting my time?) (Sarah777 23:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC))

Sarah777, in your edit summary you say "page remains a mess with firefox; policy is that it should be set for all browsers". Which policy is it that what should be set for all browsers? The thumbnails work just fine in the version of Firefox that I'm using, so it's not simply a Firefox issue. And the only Wikipedia policy on the matter that I can see states "In articles, if you wish to have a photo beside the text, you should generally use the "thumbnail" option available in the "Image markup" (this results in 180 pixels wide display in standard preferences default setting)." You should be able to change the thumbnail sizes by going to my preferences and choosing the 'Files' tab. In the meantime, I've reverted your edit. — ras52 09:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, that works. Thank you Ras. (Sarah777 10:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

New Layout
I've been bold and finally uploaded the new layout version of this that I've been working on for some time. The new layout is the same as is used in the English, Welsh, Scottish and Manx lists. (The Northern Irish list still remains to be done.) I hope this is an improvement. No doubt I will have got some of the heights / grid references / drops wrong — typing in 389 sets of figures and getting them all correct is too much to hope for, but hopefully they can be corrected without too much problem.

Several of the regions do not appear to have obvious names and for the moment I've left these with the region code that is conventionally used (e.g. 54A for northern Donegal). Clearly this isn't satisfactory in the long term, and I'm hoping that someone more familiar with the areas in question can supply names for the regions. The choice of regions used are the regions used in the original book, The Hewitts and Marilyns of Ireland, and which, so far as I can tell, are the conventional choice of mountain regions when talking about Marilyns. If we choose to do something different for regional groups (which I don't object to), I think we should have a central discussion about how to do this in the context of all nine Marilyn lists rather than do something unilaterally here. (There are some relevant comments on this talk page.)

Anyway, comments and criticism welcome. — ras52 (talk) 14:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

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Propose to re-direct page
This is an old list of Marilyns on data which is out of date (some measurements have been updated, especially prominences), and whose sourcing is unclear (and thus, the data is not really useable). A new article, List of Marilyns in the British Isles, now includes all the Irish Marilyns (sortable vs. all the 2,011 British Isles and vs. just Irish), and the data is sourced from an October 2018 download of the Database of British and Irish Hills (the best database for mountains in the British Isles). The DoBIH tables also show the topo map, map section, grid ref and other classifications of each Marilyn. The table is also linked (each Marilyn linked to their own Wikipedia article where it exists). The new table is also in a format that it can be downloaded and updated again from the DoBIH in the future without much editing (and thus limits WP:OR issues, which are important when downloading from what is a Primary source), and thus by keeping all Marilyns in one Wikipedia article, we have a better chance of maintaining the integrity and accuracy of the Marilyn lists and data. Note, that some Marilyn articles have "parent" peak data (which seems also unsourced), however the DoBIH will not list parent peaks outside of defining parents of "tops" (as per the new Wikipedia articles on Munro Tops, Donald Tops etc.), or other low-prominence peaks (e.g. Nuttall), and in particular, the DoBIH will not list "parents of parents", and will not list parents of Marilyns. I think their approach is correct, as I think this issue can cause much confusion among non-technical readers.Britishfinance (talk) 13:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have ensured that every Marilyn listed here that is linked to an individual Marilyn article, is also linked in the new List of Marilyns in the British Isles article. Because the new article is downloaded automatically from the DoBIH, I have set up REDIRECT pages to the source individual article so that future DoBIH downloads will automatically link to the individual article.  On this basis, given that the new article contains everything of this article, and more (plus its data is up to date), I am re-directing this article to the new article. Britishfinance (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * just a little suggestion: could you add the links (where available) in the DoBIH codes paragraph of this article? I'd do it myself but I guess yuo're far more expert than me in this field.--Pampuco (talk) 17:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Good idea Pampuco and will do. Just coming to the end of overhauling a load of British Isles mountain articles (using DoBIH data), one of my final to-do's it to get a nicer template for the DoBIH codes, and adding their links is a nice touch. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)