Talk:List of Maryland Terrapins football honorees

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Excellent work all around. I gave the article a copy edit, but it appears ready to go for FAC, and I'll be happy to support it. I have just three quick comments: Let me know when you submit this for FLC; I'm willing to offer my support. It's a great article. JKBrooks85 (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The lede refers to "sixty-two former football lettermen and two former head coaches who were not alumni" in the University of Maryland Athletic Hall of Fame, but the relevant section breaks it down as "fifty-nine football players, two head football coaches, and three individuals who served in both capacities". Because they're phrased differently, it's a bit awkward determining who falls in which category.
 * Also in that Hall of Fame section, it isn't immediately apparent what the first two tables represent. There's no title above them, and you have to look at the column headers before you can say, OK; one is for coaches and the other is for players, and they're both in the college football hall of fame.
 * One minor problem that isn't crucial is the caption accompanying the picture of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. By mentioning the college hall first, the reader's mind automatically assumes that this is a picture of the college hall. It's not, but you don't discover that until you read all the way through the caption, which is kind of long; some readers won't make it that far and will get the wrong impression. Try shortening it by saying "Two former Terrapins players have been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (pictured): Stan Jones and Randy White."


 * Thanks for the thorough copy-edit. I also believe I've now addressed the three issues above. Strikehold (talk) 09:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * For the two photos from the Maryland university library, proof needs to be shown that they were published before 1923, not merely created.
 * "and it has participated in the sport all but one season since its inception." Should it be "in all but one season", or am I reading it improperly?
 * Images are caused text to be sandwiched in All-conference honorees.
 * For players whose first names are initials, have a space before the second initial.
 * Hall of Fame inductees: give the full name of the National Football Conference.
 * Reference 12 (Southern Conference Football Media Guide) should have pp. for its page range, instead of p. To fix this, simply change the page= parameter in the template to pages=.
 * A bunch of website links needs access dates.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 21:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try to address all of these. Not sure on the "all but one" thing; I could see it either way. Strikehold (talk) 23:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * TonyTheTiger comments
 * Great work I would like to see Michigan football have such an article. In fact all schools should.
 * Is ascendancy properly used.
 * I believe so, but I'm open to suggestions for a different word. Strikehold (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "In total, Terrapins have been named. . ." are you talking first-team AA and first-team All-conference or do you count 2nd, 3rd and/or honorable mention. I think you just mean first.
 * Those numbers (55/188) are for any of the three teams in one year—the number of rows in the tables in other words. That's why I used "...named to an All-America...", which might be a little subtle of a qualifier, but it is hard to phrase exactly right, clearly, and in a concise way, because of the many selectors, players selected in multiple years, and players selected to different teams by different selectors in the same year, etc. Honorable mentions are disregarded entirely for the purposes of this list since they aren't actually All-Americans (hence the term, which to me means essentially 'you did good, but didn't make the cut'). Strikehold (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You might also list NFL All-Pro and NFL first-round draft choices.
 * I created another article where those would probably fit in better, List of Maryland Terrapins in professional football. I in fact started annotating All-Pros there, but haven't really put much effort into it. Maybe I'll take the time to work on that one at some point. Strikehold (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have never heard of a points system. In fact, I thought the term consensus meant first team on at least half of the recognized lists.  At least for some time this was the definition.  Of course, unanimous meant first team on all lists.  I do not see your definition in your source.
 * I could have sworn that I read that in the cited reference, but it doesn't say anything about points. I know I read it somewhere, so I did some searching and found this from the NCAA (and I'll replace the cited ref in the article):"The NCAA compiles consensus all-America teams in the sports of Division I-FBS football and Division I men’s basketball. These teams are compiled from a point system computed from at least four different all-America teams named by coaches associations or media sources. The point system consists of three points for first team, two points for second team and three [sic] points for third team. No honorable mention or fourth team or lower are used in the computation. In football, the teams are compiled by position and the player accumulating the most points at each position is named first team consensus all-American...'"I imagine at some point there wasn't a point system, and the title was simply awarded to whoever had the majority of first-team honors. I also assume at some point they had enough times when no single player got majority from the selectors and decided they needed a better system. Strikehold (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You may want to mention that over time the recognized selectors change.
 * That's in there: "...The individual who receives the most points at his position is called a consensus All-American.[6] Over time, the sources used to determine the consensus selections have varied. Currently, the NCAA uses five selectors..."


 * Overall the prose reads nicely.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments (and the compliments). This is now at FLC, so if you're satisfied with my changes/responses, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could lend your support there. Strikehold (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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