Talk:List of Matrix series characters

Ghost's Love
How do we know that ghost is in love with trinity? and that they were freed from the matrix on the same day? I always thought he was in love with Niobe (who is in love with lock)

There are references to it in Enter The Matrix. Ghost goes to a Zen Garden in one stage and spars with Trinity, whom he refers to as sister. I believe there are notes in the game manual which fully explain that they were awakened on the same day, and that he was, indeed, infatuated with Trinity. SynapticNeoteny 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Kid
Can anyone find evidence that The Kid has indeed been seen dressed in an outfit similar to Neo's 'The One' garb in The Matrix Online? I can't find any evidence backing this claim up. Pictures? Video? Even a first hand description from a player or something? I used to play, and I never saw it. And the major cinematics are downloadable at the game's site and The Kid hasn't appeared at all in any of those so far, much less wearing a Neo-esque outfit.

I have pictures of the Kid wearing the Black Machello Prophet Duster (aka Neo's garb). It is what he and the rest of E Pluribus Neo commonly wear in the Matrix Online. As a matter of fact, though this post may be outdated, there is indeed a cinematic where the Kid is visible, and he is wearing a prophet duster. SynapticNeoteny 03:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Introductions
All the pages used to contain a standartized first paragraph like:


 *  Dozer is the name of a fictional character (played by Anthony Ray Parker) in the science fiction film, The Matrix.

I don't think that model fits here. How about the way the first two are now? VdSV9• ♫ 13:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the first part of each character's description should state which films they appear in, who plays them, and then what their role is (e.g. crewmember of the ship X). I've placed the fictional character part into the introduction, to save repeating it everywhere. -- Nick RTalk 13:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. I'll get to that later, I'm at work now and wasted way too much time on wiki this morning already. Thank you. VdSV9• ♫ 14:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, this was a good idea! I likes, I likes! Rattlerbrat 22:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, ok... I was trying to fix this mess, taking out the fictional character from all and getting them standartized, and thought of this: why don't we create a template-like box to put all this stuff in? First let's decide what is the basic info it should have. VdSV9• ♫ 18:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Character name, obviously;
 * 2) Played by;
 * 3) Appears in, what films, animatrix, the game..?;
 * 4) Hovercraft - those that live in Zion would have this field left blank? or what?
 * 5) position - when applicable - in the ship, is it a captain, a pilot..?

please add your suggestions here... let's get this thing going! VdSV9• ♫

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Goodness, clean-up is needed majorly! I just went through and removed the repeat spoiler warnings and editted Apoc and Cas, right now its really just a hodgepodge copy of the other pages. Atropos 23:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Missing characters
Dudes, there are a lot of minor characters missing. From the first film - which I know practically by heart - I can remember Choi (I'll add a little section on him ASAIC) and his girl Doujours (not sure about spelling) and Neo's Boss Mr. Rhineheart. I'm sure there's more, so let's get to it! VdSV9• ♫ 18:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Spoon boy and the potentials from the first film - spoon boy even sends a gift to Neo through Kid on Revolutions ;]. VdSV9• ♫
 * I believe to have seen an article on that woman the merovingian sends an orgasm-cake-program on his first appearance on reloaded. VdSV9• ♫
 * ALL of Zion Council! Specially Councilor Haman (spelling?) VdSV9• ♫

God! This needs a lot of work, I try to work on it on the weekend.

What else... In the future we will need secondary characters to be separated from minor characters, I mean... Cypher isn't that minor anyway, nor is Niobe, etc... <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 19:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Doujours and Choi should be the same; the only reason they're memorable is the white rabbit. Only 4 of the councillors are even named, and only Councillor Hamann deserves his own article.  The other potentials besides Spoon Boy should just be mentioned that they were there with Spoon Boy, and other captains should have a section.  Cypher, Niobe, etc... are not major enough to have their own page, the reason there are two pages for minor characters is so that they can be covered without making the page too long. Atropos 22:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I get the point, but as I said in the future these characters will have their sections expanded, probably to a point that the page will get too big and with so many minor characters (the WBrothers added a lot on the last two films) to be kept like this. IMO The Matrix universe has material to become a Portal, I'm not saying it's going to get like the Star Wars portal, SW is huge, but the matrix has a lot to it as well and in time this LomcitMs article will have to be divided. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 23:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to make a point here, but I haven't been able to save the changes I'm trying to make now and I believe some error is happening because the page is too big - maybe when I hit save there's someone else uploading their own version of the page or something of the sort. SO, would someone please see if they can add Thadeus to the article? Changes welcome, naturally...

Thadeus
Thadeus (voice by Kevin Michael Richardson) is the captain of the Osiris in the Animatrix short film Final Flight of the Osiris and in the video game Enter the Matrix.

Thadeus can be seing sparring with his female crewmate Jue in a very sensuous manner until they are interrupted by their operator. The Osiris had just come by the machine army - about a quarter million sentinels were digging towards Zion. When seeing this Thadeus decided that Zion must be warned at any costs, so they go to broadcast depth and Jue jacks into the matrix and leaves the package in a mail box just seconds before her body is killed with the Osiris in the real world. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 21:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Cypher
What's with that whole discussion on Cypher jacking in and out all by himself on the meeting the agents section? That is really unnecessary. I'll change it, if anyone thinks it should stay as it is give a reason and a source for all that, it looks like Original Research to me. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 02:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

When Cypher was meeting agent Smith, he wanted to be "rich and famous, like.. an actor"; and Smith replied "whatever you like, mr Reagan". IMO, this may have some relevance to the fact, that Ronald Reagan was an actor. A.karro (talk) 07:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Cypherites
Quick question from someone who doesn't play The Matrix Online: are the "Cypherites" an official organisation, or just the name of characters in the game who agree with him? If the latter, that section should be reworded: at the moment it sounds as though he's the leader of the group! -- Nick RTalk 02:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The Cypherites are indeed an official organization. However, due to limited game mechanics, they are physically a suborganization within the Machine organization, denoted by a "CYPH" tag next to the faction name of the Cypherite in question. It makes recognizing newer Cypherite LESIG members annoying, though, since they are not a part of a faction... SynapticNeoteny 03:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

External Links and Lock
Rattlerbrat feels that external links for the actors who play minor characters should have external links for their pages. I contest that anyone who wants to see such pages will go to the article for these actors or actresses, and that they are totally non-notable. I also notice there's someone who's a huge Gina Torres fan, because her name was mentioned far more times than necessary in Cas's original section and she's got a whole bunch of fansite external links on her page. Atropos 05:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree; this article should focus on the characters. If you really want to find out more about an actor, it's easy enough to follow a link to their page and get to external links that way. -- Nick RTalk 06:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, Rattlerbrat reverted my change of Lock's section to "Commander Jason Lock". Should characters be refered to by their full title? I have changed my mind, titles probably shouldn't be included, but what about their full name? Jason Lock is the only example, though. If there's an arguement for keeping titles, and changing things to Captain Niobe etc. please give it as well. Atropos 05:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Whichever name they're most commonly known by in the series, which in general means surnames and "hacker names" (hence "The Kid", not "Michael Popper"; "Neo" not "Thomas A. Anderson"). I would say that titles/ranks aren't necessary - yes, we'd have to do it for Niobe and everyone else as well - even Captain Morpheus! :) -- Nick RTalk 06:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And I reverted it again, and will continue to until I'm told that it's against the rules to link sites to actors. ALL actors, for the record - those were just the few sites I knew off my head. I tried looking for others. Actually, I probably would've probably seen it your way if you hadn't have taken the cowardly route and addressed me directly, but whatever helps you sleep at night.


 * And I certainly didn't INTEND to revert your Lock entry...which you would've known...had you addressed me...which you didn't...so yeah. Jennifer 11:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the sections should be named with the short names like Lock, Niobe and so on. Their positions should be explained within the article. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 14:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Lock should be made Jason Lock or Lock, Jason, simply because their calling him Lock is no different from a lot of characters calling Harry Potter "Potter" or everyone calling George Bush "Bush." Niobe calls him Jason when she speaks to him in that one Enter the Matrix scene.  Sparks and Ballard both called him Deadbolt, too. Atropos 00:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

For Nick

 * Nick, I didn't mean to delete the extra information. I honestly thought I got it all, but it's been a minute since I've read the article so I never saw any of the new stuff. I apologize, and I hope it wasn't too big of a pain to straighten everything out.


 * I'm not against the names. Again, that was a straw man argument tossed out by our good friend here. As for the links, I'm not against it; in fact, I really don't care all that much. I actually think she makes a good point. It was the childish way that Atropos went about it. Last I checked, I have a talk page, too. But she chose to come crying here, not even letting me know, editing things behind my back (which is completely w/i her right but against Wiki ettiquette), trying to be some victim. Not to mention pissing on a character that is a part of a family that I LOVE (Casz, Dozer, Tank, Link and Zee). It doesn't take a genius to figure out what her real motive is. The problem is, I could care less. I won't take orders from someone who isn't equipped to give them here, and especially not from some weeping child too afraid of potential conflict over TEH_INTARWEB.


 * And as for the huge Gina Torres fan...funny, I never that. Jennifer 14:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, it was easy enough to correct - I just reverted to the last version by User:OrphanBot and then copied the external links from the "diff" page. Personally I don't think the external links should be included (it's simple enough to get to the actor's Wikipedia page), but if you really must include them, why not do it like this: Cas (played by Gina Torres )..."-- Nick RTalk 14:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I think you guys are right. Some actors have a ton of movies and if we add the sites to every movie they're in, it'll practically look like spam. The actor's page sounds good.Jennifer 15:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Images
My screen is set at 1280 x 1024. I notice that a lot of images don't line up very well with their articles. Apoc, Bane, Cas, Switch, and Zee all extend further than their text, and the combination of Apoc and Bane's images above Cas make Cas look ofset from her article. What should we do? Should we move some to the left? Maybe get rid of the Smith/Bane image. Switch's image is really large, I'm going to see what making it smaller does, but that attempt failed with Apoc because of the way the text moved, so maybe we just need a differently proportioned version of her image. How does it fit at other resolutions? Atropos 00:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Bane/Smith Cutting Himself
In the section on Bane, it says, "Bane/Smith was obsessed with the sensations of an actual human body, and proceeded to mutilate himself with a knife to experience what human pain felt like." I'm under the impression that he might have been capable, or thought he was capable, of infecting others with the Agent Smith virus in the real world using his blood. He keeps his knife bloody, after cutting himself. Maybe this should be edited to reflect this possibility, or at least reflect that the stated reasons in the current version are only possible reasons. 169.233.3.90 14:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Gryftir


 * I find it REALLY hard to believe that he was that type of virus, or that such an explanation is acceptable... <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 18:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Plus the concept of his being fascinated by the experience of human pain is much more obvious. Jeff Silvers 19:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What we as Wikipedians think Bane/Smith's motivation was for cutting on himself is irrelevant. The fact remains that Bane/Smith never said specifically WHY he cut on himself. He never said, I cut myself because......" We may show that he has expressed disgust with humans or with being trapped in the Matrix with them, etc., I *think* we may even say that this disgust MAY be a factor in his self-mutilation (although drawing that connection may still be going too far).

But stating outright something that cannot be attributed to Bane/Smith or someone else like the Wachowski brothers, is incorrect procedure. It approaches is original research.

--Antelope In Search Of Truth 18:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not approaches, it outright is original research, and should not be included. Not even the idea that the self-mutilation is due to his loathing for his own human form - that's original synthesis, another kind of original research.  No dice.  Let's just report what he did and the readers can draw their own conclusions, eh?  Kasreyn 05:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Touche'. I was being kind in the spirit of inclusion and compromise.....  but there really can't be compromise on original research.


 * Although when I say, "We may show that he has expressed disgust with humans or with being trapped in the Matrix with them, etc," I mean overall in a Smith article. Not as a compilation meant to lead people to a conclusion.  (i.e., synthesis.)
 * --Antelope In Search Of Truth 03:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bane's self-mutilation and his disgust for humans
If you look at the dialogue between Kasreyn and I above in "Bane/Smith Cutting Himself", you will see why any edits that necessarily link his disgust for humans with his self-mutilation are original research because SMITH/BANE never says so literally.

So establishing that he has disgust for humans...... does not allow us to present the conclusion WE as Wikipedians are drawing and say, "Bane cut on himself because he was disgusted by his 'imprisonment' in a human body". Even though that is a probable factor/reason. --Antelope In Search Of Truth 21:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed reference in Choi and DuJour to early script
The "early version" of Matrix Reloaded is a hoax. Thus, it shouldn't be mentioned here. MonkStar 00:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

If so, then the "four horsemen" virus thing on the Apoc section should be removed as well. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 15:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Woman at Le Vrai (merge)
Support, athough IMO the information isn't important enough to warrant inclusion in this article...if anything, she should be mentioned in The Merovingian. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What is there to discuss? just do it... OK, I'll do it. <b style="color:#207912;">VdSV9</b>• ♫ 16:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Mouse's shotguns
These weapons were NOT USAS 12s as the previous entry noted. They were custom made weapons. http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_cmp/int_john_bowring.html#mouse 209.121.228.234 01:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Ignorance is Bliss
...was a common phrase before The Matrix. Why is it a famous quote from the film? me 02:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The character was merely using a common phrase to describe the situation being portrayed in the movie. Treating the character's use of the phrase as relevant is on par with saying pencils created the color yellow.70.171.29.7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC).

EMP Gun
What is this "EMP gun" that Cypher used on Tank and Dozer? An electric discharge is different than an Electro-magnetic pulse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.93.32 (talk) 01:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Corrected to "lightning gun" as per the script. -- xensyria T 12:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Topic Header
Header says, "A detailed description may be found at The Matrix character names" leads to deleted page. Remove reference? -greg 70.144.173.109 (talk) 02:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Rhinehart Quote
The Rhineheart quote has "citation needed"; it occurs at 11:40 in the first Matrix movie. 80.121.55.238 (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Apoc/Epoch?
Where did we get the 'Apoc' spelling from? IMDB has it listed the same way, but with input from a user, not from anyone official. It seems more likely that his name is 'Epoch', which is appropriate for a crew member, as opposed to 'Apoc', which has no meaning. Does anyone have any information about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.44.227 (talk) 09:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * According to a documentary from the Ultimate Matrix Collection, the name is a reference to the word "Apocalypse", and is consistently pronounced and credited as "Apoc". -- xensyria T 12:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

This needs a ref
"It is then revealed that Agent Smith had no intention of returning Cypher to the Matrix, as he tells his fellow agents that they will continue as planned and proceed to deploy sentinels to destroy the Nebuchadnezzar."

I recall this took place after Cypher was killed, which implies that the referred-to plan may have been a backup all along. I don't believe there is any obvious or stated decision to abandon Cypher that takes place in the movie? Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Zee: Tank v. Dozer
This is my first contribution to Wiki:Talk, so please excuse any missteps.

The section on Zee implies that Dozer was the operator on the Neb. This is not the case. Tank was the Op, but in The Matrix: Reloaded, Link did refer to Dozer only. Maybe Link promised to Dozer that he would replace Tank if needed, but (again) the article implies that Dozer was the Op (which is incorrect).

Please take these facts into account. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.37.155 (talk) 05:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Operator
The article Operator (The Matrix) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 10 January 2012 with a consensus to merge the content into List of minor characters in the Matrix series.

Instead, on 9 March 2012‎ Cerebellum redirected it to List of ships in the Matrix series in loose accordance with the discussion, noting: not really a character, info is already in ships list. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Should this article be re-titled List of Matrix series characters?
I think this article should be moved to List of Matrix series characters and have an overview of all the characters, both major and minor. I see a couple of articles have already been merged and The Architect article is about to. The most notable characters will obviously have their own articles that can be summarized here. Someone in SoCal Area (talk) 01:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. What's the convention across other articles for series' characters? &#8209;&#8209; Yodin T 07:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I found some other "List of minor characters" articles but they seemed few and far between. It looks more commonplace that "List of X characters" is more of the norm. If this article is changed, I think some that are here can be taken out if they are not really worth mentioning. Someone in SoCal Area (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, brought up in the Architect afd, List of Alien (film series) characters, an FA, is a good model to go by. Someone in SoCal Area (talk) 17:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point, all the character based lists at Featured lists seem to be all the characters, with sections about major characters including hatnotes pointing to the full articles on those characters. So yep I would completely agree with your idea at this point (and would also be good to get it right before the new film is released too). :) &#8209;&#8209; Yodin T 18:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I restructured the article to be more like the list of Alien series characters. Moving toward changing it to list of all characters. Someone in SoCal Area (talk) 00:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Does anyone know physics? Or what did I miss?
The conversation they never had in Matrix? I suspect the Architect would say 'Energy? it was never about energy. There was no way we could keep people alive in pods and not use more energy than they produced. That is basic thermodynamics. We needed so many people in virtual reality to harvest ideas. One in a thousand or so would go in a direction we could never imagine. And Neo was one of the best. Did he create Morphius? We do not know. But we harvested enough ideas to keep us going for many ages now. Our question is "What do we want with people now?" ' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary4books (talk • contribs) 19:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)