Talk:List of Max original programming

CN movers
Strange how deep the denial goes about the previously-Cartoon Network originals moving to HBO MAX when Starting at 42:00 Sarah Aubrey specifically states “Behind me are the 50 HBO Max original projects that will be premiering in our first year of service”--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 16:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but still CN isn’t going to just move two shows that started on tv without an announcement because that presentation was for AT&T/WarnerMedia’s investors... not for the public so some would still expect Summer Camp Island and Infinity Train to continue on CN Crazy2265 (talk) 12:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Miniseries section
Is it necessary to put Miniseries in their own section? Looking at Netflix and Prime Video, the other miniseries are just marked as such at "Status" section. I was thinking about moving them back, but marking them as that, because it feels unnecessary to have a Miniseries section. What do you guys think?

--Nights At Nyte (talk) 04:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I put it back. If you refer to articles like List of programs broadcast by HBO, they have miniseries in their own section. It's to distinguish what is planned for a long term run, and what is just for the one off season. Status is to imply whether it's renewed, if a renewal is pending or a pilot order. Rusted AutoParts  15:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles like List of programs broadcast by HBO, however, are not in table format and categorizing series has to be more specific. I do agree that stating projects under a miniseries section helps to distinguish the season runs of series, but with the table format and the "Status" columns, this article can determine whether a series is a miniseries or a potentially ongoing series. As you said the status determines renewal/cancellation, but a miniseries is a status in itself as it determines a single run for a series - let's say a project was given a miniseries order, that is associated with the status of the show. Apd9696 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. This has a different all around format and putting these very different shows in a Miniseries section feels unneeded. I'd very much rather have them in Drama, Comedy, Animation in so on.


 * Because I think Americanah and Station Eleven shouldn't be with Adventure Time: Distant Lands and Aquaman: King of Atlantis, and White House Farm should be with the distributed series section. It just makes way more sense in my opinion. Between you and me, anyone else in favor of scrapping the Miniseries section, putting these shows in applicable sections, and labeling their status as such? Nights At Nyte (talk) 19:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Nope. Not on-board with putting miniseries amongst planned long running shows. Perhaps the animated ones can be put into the animated shows section since there’s unbridgeable about that but I am strongly against taking away the miniseries section all together. Rusted AutoParts  20:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am appalled at the actions of . They have unfairly removed the section before anyone even got a chance to voice an opinion in favour of removal or not. That is not in the spirit of discussion. Especially when they themselves made the motion for opinions about taking the section out. An incredibly disappointing move from an otherwise collaborative editor. Rusted AutoParts  20:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm holding it out until the (unlikely) event other people besides you support it. If more people come forth and support this, then sure, but otherwise no. The tables negate the need for a Miniseries section. Netflix doesn't have one, neither does Hulu, or Prime Video. It's completely pointless, and I would bet the majority would be against having one, so I'm using the default way. That's it. If more people want it, then I won't argue. But I highly doubt that. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not how this works. The question was: “anyone else in favor of scrapping the Miniseries section, putting these shows in applicable sections, and labeling their status as such?” You’re now reshaping it’s as “should it be put back?“ That’s hardly fair to my stance (it not being removed) but that is not how this began, it was “anyone else in favor of scrapping the Miniseries section, putting these shows in applicable sections, and labeling their status as such?” (which you yourself posited). That discussion cannot happens if the section in question has already been unilaterally goned and is being refused restoration. That’s totally not fair. Rusted AutoParts  21:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "That is not how this works" is more applicable to the arbitrary Miniseries section you're trying to push, because a streaming service page using tables doesn't need one. "Status" is there for a reason. Again, consider that Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video (just off the top of my head, and I checked to be sure) don't have a section for Miniseries because it's not needed and it would be ridiculous to pile all of these vastly different shows together instead of being part of their genre section. Your argument is "HBO has a miniseries section", but again, HBO doesn't have tables and it needs to have one to indicate that they are miniseries at all. It's just not an apt reasoning. That's why I did this, because this way is the actual default way of organizing things. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * YOU asked if anyone objected to its removal. That is an ask of whether anyone is against you taking it out. You can’t ask that, then still remove it anyway without any form of input. You wait at least a day or week before going forward with the action you’re seeking to make. I have objected to its removal. Therefore the debate now resumes, and the contested content, when it’s posited whether it should be removed, REMAINS for the time being. I won’t be entertaining discussing its merits yet until it is restored. I’m going to have to elevate this to administrator attention if it’s not restored. Rusted AutoParts  21:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Why are you so fixated on this, anyways? The justification you gave, the only one there is, was easily countered, and furthermore there's far more reason why there shouldn't be a Miniseries section. You know, it's not the standard way of doing things (no streaming service does this), tables are there to help indicate it, Status is there for that reason. Miniseries section is tacky, pointless and is like fitting a square peg in a round hole by mixing together all these wildly different shows like they're of the same genre. This really shouldn't be a big deal to you and you're making this far bigger than it needs to be. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn’t care this much if the discussion ended with a consensus to remove the section. I would comply with that. But you have removed the ability to forge that consensus when, you make a motion to see if there’s a problem removing the section, you don’t wait for input and delete it anyway before I, someone who objects, can say anything. We can have the discussion of whether it’s “tacky” or “needless” once the section is restored so the balance of the discussion is restored. The issue is whether it should be removed. We can’t discuss that if you already removed it. So once it’s back I’ll make my case for keeping it. Rusted AutoParts  21:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I felt it was more important to practice proper Wikipedia standards by maintaining the general structure, and removing it wasn't a big deal because it could be restored in the unlikely event more people agreed to do so. It was semantics. But you know what? I'll restore it for now, but only so I can end this once and for all. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And that’s fine but considering the section has been in the article for all this time, and there was a motion made to remove it, and let’s say you’re in my place, you are of the party it should be kept, how can you fairly argue it stay when it’s not on the article anymore, despite the question being should it be removed? I’m not against it’s removal should a consensus form for it to be taken out, I just want to be able to fairly make my case. Rusted AutoParts  21:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It didn't really matter to me, because again, I view it as semantics. I only went along with your insistence to restore it so I get the process going, the process to remove the Miniseries section permanently this time without issue. It was clear you wouldn't back down from this, but I wasn't here to debate that. I'm just trying to make sure the page looks nice and presentable, and up to standard. The Miniseries section was not it, and as pointed out, wasn't needed at all. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, now, I don’t consider the Miniseries section as being “tacky”. I consider it a bigger help to make a distinction that there are shows they want to have going for a long period of time, and there’s shows that are to air only for the one run. Sure the status section could be used to masks that distinction too but I am of the preference of it being to marked when a show meant to run longer ended, or was cancelled, it’s status is pending or it was renewed. I’m not too sure why there being different genred miniseries is considered problematic for the format, but as I said earlier they could be put just amongst the animated shows or something, or put in as animated specials. I don’t know. But I do believe keeping a separate miniseries section is fine. The shows lists are going to grow in size as time goes on, would it not help the reader to be able to skip right to miniseries if they’re seeking a show that falls in that category without shifting through a giant list of shows? Just look at the Netflix page Rusted AutoParts  21:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The Netflix page is fine. Long, yes, but that's the result of how long it's been running and how they've valued quantity over quality. Also, consider that they split off movies and stand-ups, and it's still so long... that's not a fault with Wikipedia, it just reflects Netflix itself. A Miniseries section doesn't fix anything, and the only reason it was there was because "HBO page does that", but again, HBO page doesn't use tables and thus needs a section to indicate them being minis at all. Personally, I would like to add tables to that page, but that's neither here nor there.


 * I think it just looks so much neater to have the shows in genres where they belong, with a Miniseries mark as their Status, than it is to jettison all of them in some weird section that's just awkward to look at. Yes, you could argue Continuations are the same, but that's a standard thing to note, and it makes perfect sense. When the pages of not just Netflix, but Hulu and Prime Video, have tables and don't have a section for Miniseries, and use the Status section to label them as such, and there's no issue, I think there's no harm in that. The Miniseries section isn't just not needed, it isn't aesthetically pleasing. A big part of Wikipedia is not just being informative and unbiased in delivery, but doing it in a way that's clear and reasonable. No arbitrary ways of doing things. That should be universal. Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What makes it aesthetically unpleasant? It’s in virtually the same table format as the other sections just minus status. Rusted AutoParts  21:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Factors like the arbitrary nature of it, the extra space it takes up, the fact that it features wildly different shows (Americanah, Station Eleven, Adventure Time: Distant Lands, Aquaman: King of Atlantis, White House Farm) in the same table rather than part of a genre list that's more fitting and accurate, and that it's more inconvenient than anything. I think a Drama series should be in the Drama section, and a reader would have to take extra effort to find Americanah if they're looking for it rather than in the section they would naturally expect it to be. That, to me, is why it's not aesthetically pleasing. Nights At Nyte (talk) 22:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wouldn’t the genre section make it easier to distinguish the different style miniseries? They may be different but they are all still a miniseries regardless. Couldn’t the same argument be made about the Comedy and Drama sections? I could say “Love Life” shouldn’t be with “Grease: Russell High” because Love Life is a romantic comedy, Grease is a Musical. “Tokyo Vice” is a noir thriller, shouldn’t be with “Green Lantern” because that’s superhero. Rusted AutoParts  23:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

If the tables are sortable, the miniseries can be put into their respective genre categories and, if someone wants to find a miniseries, they can sort the “Status” column to easily see which series are renewed, cancelled/ended, pending renewal or miniseries. This way, there is no need for a separate miniseries table but people can easily find the miniseries they are looking for. What do you think? Apd9696 (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. That's another thing, you can just click to sort and you'll see them right there in order perfectly. I don't see why having the Miniseries in the genre sections is such a hassle, that's the standard and it's easier that way. Nights At Nyte (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake. The tables are already sortable. Apd9696 (talk) 23:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

So is it safe to abolish the Miniseries section now? It's been pretty well broken down as to why there's no need for one at this point and I feel like most would agree. Nights At Nyte (talk) 12:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's appropriate to allow at least a week to allow additional comments, so that people in favour of removal or retaining it can chime in. Rusted AutoParts  18:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's been two weeks. I don't think people would mind, so I'd say it's safe to remove the Miniseries section now. Nights At Nyte (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Like I said, just wanted the ability to have the discussion over it. Rusted AutoParts  17:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Article title
This title is misleading shouldn’t it be “List of programs broadcast by HBO max”? because the Prince is distributed by 20th Television but it will be on HBO Max? :) Yay Dad (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Although a little misleading, technically what Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+ do is still a form of distribution. They basically make a deal with the distributor studio to let them "distribute" the series/film within a given region. Second, "broadcast" is hardly used for cable networks, let alone streaming services. Third, this is the naming convention that has been adopted for all streaming services including NetFlix.—  Starforce13  19:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Would anyone else like a "Category" section?
I was thinking of adding this but wasn't sure what others thoughts. HBO Max divides its originals in three categories: Kids & Family, Millennials & Gen Z, and Adult. These are considered important, as emphasized in the presentation, that they are how they operate in terms of content and appeal.

The categories for each would include:

Kids & Family
 * Adventure Time: Distant Lands
 * Craftopia
 * Esme & Roy
 * The Fungies!
 * Gremlins: Secrets of the Mogwai
 * Jellystone!
 * Karma
 * Little Ellen
 * Looney Tunes Cartoons
 * Mecha Builders
 * The Monster at the End of This Story
 * Sesame Street
 * Tig 'N' Seek
 * Tooned Out

Millennials & Gen Z
 * The Boondocks
 * Close Enough
 * College Girls
 * DC Superhero High
 * Doom Patrol
 * First Dates Hotel
 * The Flight Attendant
 * Generation Hustle
 * Gen:Lock
 * Gossip Girl
 * Grease: Rydell High
 * Green Lantern
 * Legendary
 * Love Life
 * Rap Sh*t
 * Stand-Up Specials Presented by Conan O'Brien
 * Strange Adventures
 * Tokyo Vice
 * Unpregnant

Adult
 * Americanah
 * Bourdain
 * Circe
 * Ellen's Home Design Challenge
 * Full Bloom
 * The Greatest Space
 * Made for Love
 * Raised by Wolves
 * Station Eleven

What do you guys think?

Nights At Nyte (talk) 21:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


 * No the genres method is a better method. Falls in line with the structure other channel programs have. Rusted AutoParts  22:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean replace the genre organization. I just mean put a category part within. Visual demonstration:

Nights At Nyte (talk) 03:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake. Still I'm on the side of no as it feels like section overkill. Rusted AutoParts  03:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

"Notes" columns
I have been looking at similar articles like List of original programs distributed by Netflix and noticed that the sources for announcements and other notes are next to the series title rather than in a separate column. Personally I don't think this column is necessary and the sources and/or notes should be inserted next to the series titles. In other words, not this:

What do you guys think? Apd9696 (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Sounds alright with me. Nights At Nyte (talk) 14:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Doom Patrol
As of right now, Doom Patrol (season 2) is in continuations. However, I think it should move to co-productions because it will stream on HBO Max and DC Universe. If you guys agree, you can change it. Skyshot16 (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * No, because Doom Patrol is made entirely by Warner. If we were to apply this same logic, Gen:Lock is also a co-production for streaming later on Rooster Teeth's own website. Nights At Nyte (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, that makes sense. Skyshot16 (talk) 14:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, let me reiterate and further explain if Pretzel365 actually looks at the discussion like I told him. A co-production is NOT just simply streaming on another, smaller service that's internally owned by the same company. A co-production is a collaboration between TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES on a product. An example of an actual co-production is the upcoming Starstruck, which is produced by both BBC and Warner, TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES, for the UK and US markets, respectively. That is what a co-production is. Doom Patrol is not a co-production, it's just getting a release on a smaller service. Does that make it clear enough for you? Nights At Nyte (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Exclusive first-run acquisitions
Noticed that BBC titles (Ghosts, Stath Lets Flats, Home and Trigonometry) and Detention Adventure are not branded as Max Originals on the service. However, these titles have been acquired for exclusive first-run streaming rights by HBO Max and they are what would be original titles (in other words it makes sense to put them in this article and they should be in it.) Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Apd9696 (talk) 12:34, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

The Pack, The Trial of Christine Keeler, Adult Material, Squish, and Road Trip. These titles are not branded as "Max Originals". May I edit this section? St3095  (?)  06:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The last three are yet to be released but I have added a note to all entries which aren't branded as Max originals. Those particular titles are however exclusively acquired by HBO Max for first-run US releases so I think they should be included here in some form. I'd say we wait for some consensus. Apd9696 (talk) 16:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Apd9696 I've just been looking through old Wikipedia contributions of mine, so I could get some examples of my contributions which have since been removed, to show someone why IMDB is better than Wikipedia, as facts aren't removed there. Many of those examples involve a point which I have to repeat again and again is the fact that non-Brits, mainly Americans, think every British show is by the BBC for some reason. Now why am I mentioning all this? Because you're clearly one of those people. Stath Lets Flats and Home (British TV series) both Channel 4 shows. Therefore they have nothing to do with the BBC. Danstarr69 (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've lived in the UK all my life... I have literally seen Stath on Channel 4. Everyone makes mistakes, this was one of mine. I apologise. A PD  ( talk ) 11:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't even wrong. They're all BBC Studios shows. A PD  ( talk ) 19:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Apd9696 except you were, and still are wrong, plus you're clearly not British.
 * The BBC is a British TV, radio and news network, which is funded by the TV licence, and broadcasts shows to British people only.
 * BBC Studios is an international producer and distributor, who makes and distributes shows for anyone, and is funded by sales.
 * BBC Studios had nothing to do with the production of Stath Lets Flats or Home (British TV series) which are both Channel 4 shows.
 * It had nothing to do with the production Detention Adventure (a CBC show being broadcast by ITV in the UK), Adult Material (a Channel 4 show) or Pure (British TV series) (a Channel 4 show) either.
 * ITV doesn't have any international channels anymore as it closed its last one last year. However ITV is the majority owner of BritBox, and is a majority owner of things like Cirkus TV (which doesn't have a Wikipedia page for some reason), to get it's shows around the world. It also distributes the shows that it doesn't let BBC Studios distribute, with it's own identical distribution and production company in ITV Studios.
 * Channel 4, Channel 5, UKTV, Sky, S4C etc not to mention Irish TV networks like RTE, don't have that privilege, so are forced to let outsiders like BritBox, Acorn TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, PBS, HBO, Showtime (TV network), BBC Studios, ITV Studios etc distribute their shows internationally for them.

Danstarr69 (talk) 09:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * This feels like a WP:PERSONALATTACK but I'm too busy and unbothered to do anything about it because unlike you I don't go around bringing random people down on year old threads that barely anyone sees for their seeming lack of knowledge of the UK television industry (which BTW was no use mansplaining to me). Read the article I linked that says that they are distributed internationally by BBC Studios. That is a WP:VERIFIABLE source to support where I'm coming from. Also there's a difference between distributor and channel (network). For example, BBC isn't available worldwide as a channel so they have to sell shows to global networks. That's what a distributor does. And what the hell do you mean by you're clearly not British. Who are you to say I'm "not British enough"? A PD  ( talk ) 15:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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DC Universe content
The source states nothing about Titans or Titans S3, or Young Justice or Young Justice S4. If you disagree, discuss the source on the talk page. Until then, this is a violation of WP:V, WP:RS and especially WP:SYNTH. -- / Alex /21  23:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , do you intend to actually discuss here or just edit-war? -- / Alex /21  01:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/14/21369285/dc-universe-original-shows-hbo-max-changes-streaming-lineup This source says that Titans and Young Justice will move to HBO Max. It's implied that since Titans Season 3 and Young Justice Season 4 has been renewed for DC Universe, it will instead premiere on HBO Max. Titans already started pre-production, and Young Justice might already be in production, so HBO Max can't just cancel it. Skyshot16 (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Implied is textbook WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. Please provide a source that explicitly states that Titans Season 3 and Young Justice Season 4 will be the content moving to HBO Max. If you cannot, the assumptions must be kept removed. -- / Alex /21  14:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Do we really need a production companies section?
They're here because that's how it was when the Max Originals table started, but do we need them? The other original lists, like Netflix and Amazon don't have them. As an experiment, I tested to see what the tables look like without the production companies on drama and comedy, and they're so much more aesthetically pleasing. Just look below. If no one minds, I'd like to remove the production companies section for aesthetic reasons.

Comedy

 * I was thinking about this the other day and I thought that it just felt unnecessary to go into this much detail for each show. You can easily find the production companies on the show pages and/or sources, and yeah as you said the production companies aren’t included on any of the other similar list articles (apart from Peacock's, but I think like this one the list page was made from the "programming" section of the Peacock page). In my opinion I think it feels a bit like table overkill if you know what I mean. Apd9696 (talk) 11:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll remove them then if nobody minds. Nights At Nyte (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

What did you say about production companies? We don’t need them? Oh, that’s it! If I find out that you deleted the production company section, you will be banned from Wikipedia!!!! Got it? Dragonman2021 (talk) 16:27, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Unscripted section layout
Does anyone have any thoughts on this new layout (for and against)? Apd9696 (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I like it. Support. Picsovina (talk) 14:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've outlined it in more detail on the Netflix talk page if anyone wants more info. Apd9696 (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually I liked it so much that I introduced it already on the netflix page. :D Anyway, I mentioned that its your idea, good job. Picsovina (talk) 14:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) I'll do some of the other pages now too. Apd9696 (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Simultaneous Releases
Clearly it is time to bring this up on here as it appears these have been added multiple time in multiple ways by multiple editors and continue to be removed by another editor. Although I certainly understand the reasoning for removing them, I believe they have a place on here, especially when specified not to be Max originals. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 04:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * They aren’t exclusively original Max content. They’re getting month long deployments before being taken off. They don’t count unless they’re moved to Max exclusively. The paragraph at HBO Max is succinct. Rusted AutoParts  04:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I totally see your point but they are still having semi-exclusive premieres on the platform (and exclusive VOD premieres) and the fact that they're premiering on HBO Max should really mean they're listed here I think. As long as they're separated from original films then that should be fine for me at least but they are in a sense treated as original films they're just getting a boost theatrically (well really it's the other way round). Anyway I know you disagree so feel free to respond with your thoughts. Apd9696 (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * But again, they aren’t really Max content. It’s a means of getting their films for 2021 out without another round of delays. They wouldn’t have been going to Max if there wasn’t a pandemic. Over at List of Disney+ original films there’s a similar table of films that were diverted to D+. Those aren’t an issue as they went exclusively to the streamer, without a simultaneous theatrical release. It’s my belief that since the page is about Max original content, it should only include Max original content. I was fine with just having WW 1984 when it was the only one having that release structure but then 20 other movies got the same treatment. The Witches is the situation in where it’s acceptable to include originally intended theatrical releases, as it wasn’t doing a theatre/Max same day release, it was just fully released to Max. An editor added a direction onto the page of the section on the Max page about the release plan, that’s really all that’s necessary for this. Rusted AutoParts  17:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, I'm fine with how the article is now. I do agree with your points about them not being full Max originals but I just thought since the films are in some sense premiering on HBO Max it was worth listing them in this article. Apd9696 (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I also think it's ok the way it is but I still believe there's a way to incorporate them on the page. That's why I added the redirect but I do think the information should be added here, as I believe the information is more important then the technicality and can be specifed to read that they aren't necessarily Max originals. Although I also understand how that may seem confusing. Also, the list on Post-launch is incomplete but obviously we can fix that. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I’m also taking into account what the future holds for this structure. If it’s only the one year, I don’t see the need to incorporate a small section of films released under a limited plan. If it’s their release structure going forward, I don’t see the need in listing those theatrical/Max releases when it would basically be repeating what would be added over at List of Warner Bros. films (2020-2029). It already includes a few Max films which I feel makes this page needless. So I think Max film content should be pooled on this page, and theatrical intentions over there with a note about being simultaneously Max released. Rusted AutoParts 17:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Honestly this list is for original HBO Max programming and some others Max has exclusive distribution rights to. The movies that are premiering on HBO Max same day as theaters should not be listed here because: a.) after 31 days they leave the platform and continue down the traditional release & windowing cycle and b.) when these films hit their "Pay 1 window" they will go to regular HBO as per WB's output agreement with regular HBO. Granted all of HBO is part of HBO Max but that distinction is important. The only films that should be listed here are ones like The Witches that skipped theaters entirely and went straight to HBO Max. I agree with Rusted AutoParts all impacted films will have a note about this scenario at the main WB list.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    18:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. If they do continue this release model after 2021, I think we should consider giving those films their own page. That's a conversation for much later though. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 18:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Harry Potter series
This is a new announcement and I've seen reports that HBO Max is denying that this series is in development. I'm not sure of the credibility of the sources reporting or denying it. Because of this I'm not entirely sure it should be added yet. Thoughts? Does anyone know more about this? Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 22:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The source I used here does seem to say it is in development but also contradicts that, which is rather strange. I think it's very early days and nothing much has actually been planned, so that might be why there are conflicting reports. I saw that in the source I cited here, which first reported the news, it said the project was in "early development" so I thought it should be here. But I'm not really sure given that it also says WarnerMedia are denying anything to do with a HP project in development. Possibly just best to wait until a development deal has been made (and I'm sure given the status of the franchise we will see an announcement in the near future). Apd9696 (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I think that's probably best. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 00:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

A GoT animated series has also been announced to be in "early development". No deals have been made but this time there are no contradictory reports. From the source it seems like the project is only at a concept stage, which is still part of project development, but this heightens the possibility that "the animated series never comes to fruition". Again, it might be a bit too early for inclusion on this article, and a further development seems imminent as it appears WarnerMedia is keen on developing their franchises. Any thoughts? Apd9696 (talk) 23:13, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that if there aren't any reports of Warner denying this, it probably is in early stages. Which of course can mean it gets scrapped but as of now it's probably in development. What bothered me about including HP right now was that they seemed to be publicly denying that it was being developed at all. As you say, they aren't denying the GOT series. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I propose the section List of HBO Max original programming be split into a separate page called List of HBO Max exclusive international distribution programming. The list in the section is too long. - St3095  (?)  15:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, the section is getting pretty long. It might be a bit on the short side as its own article at the moment but I have created Draft:List of HBO Max exclusive international distribution programming for the new article. Apd9696 (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - St3095  (?)  17:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. It is not disturbingly long yet, but eventually will get longer, so why not think ahead. Just lets not forget to add the exclusive distribution films too. I see they were already added to the draft page, thanks! Picsovina (talk) 09:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I think we can move the draft article to the mainspace. Seems like there is no objection. Picsovina (talk) 10:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think so too. It seems to be of substantial length but it will only grow in the future so I think we can move that now. The Disney+ one still seems a bit on the short side imo, but there are no objections there either so I think we can look to move it very soon. A PD   (hmu) 11:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

2021 release dates
I feel like we should remove the tweet citation for many of the shows cited as releasing for 2021. There’s been a few updates about their content they advertised there since May 2020, and seeing as its March 2021, here is my qualms:
 * Americanah was cancelled
 * Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies was moved to Paramount+
 * Circe, DC Superhero High, Green Lantern, Justice League Dark and The Uninhabitable Earth have all not had any substantial development news since their series order announcements. Considering the scope of a lot of these series there’s no way they can have the production completed before the end of 2021.

This is why I believe they should be TBA’d. Rusted AutoParts 01:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I get your point but the 2021 releases were WP:VERIFIABLE, and release dates change all the time. I think at the time it seemed possible that all the series would premiere by the end of this year but I feel like due to COVID complications most projects have been pushed back. The tweet came from WarnerMedia themselves but tbh at the time I did find it strange that they were announcing release years so abundantly and in that way. With the series that won't air on HBO Max anymore I don't think that's a reason to not use the citation as at the time they were on HBO Max's slate and it was only later on that it was announced that they won't be moving forward at HBO Max. Yeah some of them are a long shot, like Justice League Dark which was ordered around this time last year and scripts are probably still being written, if not in the final stages. The projects that are currently TBA which I do think could premiere in 2021 are:


 * The Sex Lives of College Girls – filming since last November
 * Green Lantern – will start filming this month (I'm also assuming a cast announcement is imminent due to this) A PD   (hmu) 09:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2021 could probably be added to the first show you mentioned but Green Lantern seems like a longshot for 2021. ANd yes, the source was verifiable, But wth the examples I put forth, it showed the information being outdated for many of the projects named, seeing as a cancelled production and a show moved elsewhere were named. I left Station Eleven and Tokyo Vice as they have been filming. Rusted AutoParts  12:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Podcasts
Since HBO Max is now producing exclusive podcasts for the service, do we include them in the article? Batman: The Audio Adventures for example starts streaming from September 18. Mitchdog72 (talk) 03:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Splitting the series and movies
I feel like the article is getting long now that the series and movies are getting released and moving in development, so I propose all the movies move to a new article called List of HBO Max original films. Skyshot16 (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I second this. If no objection until Friday, I will make this split. Picsovina (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Regional original programming
I'm not convinced about this section. I know that this article is written from American point of view, but with this logic many American programs should be called regional, because they are not available on HBO Max outside of the US (for example My Sesame Street Friends). Not to mention that more tables mean more chaos in the article. Maybe it would be better to have them in Non-English language scripted section and include comments about premiere dates that they apply only to certain teritories? King10 (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit request
Can somebody please add Charlotte's Web, with this sourcing ? I tried but the table got messed up and I started getting frustrated so instead of saving and running I’m leaving this here for proper integration--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Should lists of upcoming programs be allowed?
There is a long running discussion on if the list of upcoming programs on this page falls under the no EPGs rule. This is following an update to this page in which the list of upcoming programs was removed citing this rule

It would be good to get addition al input: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not JordanP7893 (talk) 15:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

In Development cap?
I'm weighing potentially pruning titles in the In Development section that have not seen further development in at least two years. There's many titles without further news about it since their initial announcement. Titles like The Griswolds and The Shelley Society for example have been in development since 2019. Rusted AutoParts 16:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rusted AutoParts: Agree with pruning, though I'd probably recommend extending it to 3 years to be safe (I'm pretty sure I've seen projects stay in development that long before they receive a series order). On other pages I've actually removed titles that were more than 5 years old (as it's very obvious at that point that they were not going to come to fruition or were pivoted to another project). Will see if any others would like to weigh in. Nisf (talk) 13:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would imagine that most would elect to remove in development as a whole, which I personally don't agree with. I think I'm gonna move to start chipping the 3+ old announcements out. Should anyone else have reservations they can come here and we can discuss it. Rusted AutoParts  18:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Split
This page (and List of Max original films and List of Max exclusive international distribution programming) should be split into HBO Max and Max. It is incorrect to say that the shows and films that were released prior to May 2023 premiered "on Max". InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Completely agree. Restore the previous title which was moved without disscussion and any new program should be created in a new list article. Gonnym (talk) 08:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't make the move, but gonna disagree – they're the same service with a different name, not a completely different service or ownership. The same shows are still available on both, minus the ones that were completely removed as tax write-offs last year (before the announcement of the renaming). Furthermore, any shows that premiered and ended under HBO Max that are still available on the service are currently branded as "Max Originals". What happens to series that were ordered or in development by HBO Max that will premiere under Max? What about all the shows that were mid-season during the rebrand? Do we include the Discovery+ shows on here, or leave them on their respective programming pages (considering that the service still exists separately)? Nisf (talk) 12:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The word you are missing here is "original". A show that aired on HBO Max and ended a year ago, never originally aired on a service called "Max". Claiming that it was, is factually incorrect. Gonnym (talk) 13:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter – the Max service, as it currently exists, has branded them as "Max Originals", which is the definition we go by on this page and List of Max exclusive international distribution programming. Trying to define an Original any other way is WP:OR. Nisf (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It isn't. This is how we do this in categories and in infoboxes. We only list the name of the original network at the time it originally aired. Anyways, this seems to require a RM disscussion. Gonnym (talk) 13:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)