Talk:List of Mayday episodes/Archive 2

Season 8 in 2011
Cineflix confirmed that there will be a new season after the current one. Great news! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.221.63 (talk) 13:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure SineBot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qantasplanes (talk • contribs) 08:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you referring to this article? http://www.cineflix.com/home/article/178 --Ralph961 (talk) 05:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

There will be six episodes in Season 8. 1.Failure In The Cockpit (Cross Air Flight 3597) 2.Disaster at Heathrow (British Airways Flight 38) 3.Power Struggle (Scandinavian Airlines Flight 751) 4.Mid Air Landing (Turkish Airlines Flight 1951) 5.Dead Tired (Colgan Air Flight 3407) 6.Ditching On The Hudson (US Airways Flight 1549) --Qantasplanes 4:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Interesting list of episodes. Most of them had little or no fatalities and are fairly recent too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobman84 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Season 8 according to Cineflix is going to air in 2011 and in France first.--Qantasplanes —Preceding undated comment added 06:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC).

Where is the source for the season 8 episodes? I'd like to see it.- William 11:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Why such a sourpuss, William? Reporting to Wikipedia? That is ridiculous. Cineflix have confirmed that a new season will air early next year. I hope you don't live life by every rule in the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobman84 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

New 2011 season confirmed on Nat Geo homepage, with season premiere date (UK premiere) for the first episode. http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/about /MSSM 5 february 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.96.138.113 (talk) 07:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Explanation for Deletion of Season 8 episodes
This is the explanation for my edit this morning.

During the month of July, the Mayday episodes article was edited to list 6 new episodes for Season 8. I saw these changes yesterday and tried to independently verify this information. I came up with nothing.

I put up a message at this editor's talk page asking how he came about the episode information. He said it was from an email he got from cineflix.

Private emails are not a verifiable source under WP Original Research guidelines. I asked for some guidance at an aviation forum. One editor agreed with me that the Season 8 entry was unsourced and speculation and should be deleted. I'm reverting all articles or templates that were changed to show the unverified season 8 episodes. Once a verified source becomes available to all wikipedia editors, the season 8 section can be changed again to list the next batch of Mayday episodes- William 13:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok fine. Qantasplanes July 31, 2010 8:42 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.170.14 (talk)

I really hope they don't do the US1549. Anyways great explanation William. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg787 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Change to Episode list
I tried to change the list to use the Episode list template, but my edit was reverted. The template is used on all other TV series and even though its smaller it has the same amount of information. Plus with this template this page can be easily split into smaller pages (like other TV series) when it becomes too large. Are there any objection to using this template? d'oh! talk 10:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * nope any one that reverts giving thema warnign as it against wikipedia mos and the project-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 13:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Andrewcrawford. -- d'oh! [talk] 14:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I added colors to the seasons if thats alright.-Greg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg787 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Are they the official colours? Because usually the DVD box colour is used, but since only two of the 8 seasons released, it would be very hard to find the colours. -- d'oh! [talk] 03:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Reason for the reordering
I have made a large reordering to the list of seasons I think its fair to let other editors know my reasoning for the reorder. For a show like Mayday almost every broadcaster (outside of Canada) changed the ordering of seasons, episodes and even changed the name of the show, but this article is on the show as it was produced and first aired, not on what other broadcasters think the show should be. Unfortunately the proper ordering is not known. According to the Cineflix website these is 67 episodes and eight seasons, that means the old list is missing six episodes. I was unable to confirm a new season to make up the missing episodes, so I have to assure there is no a new season. But if you add the two spin-offs to the count you find the missing episodes, without any source telling me otherwise I have to assure they include the spin-offs in the count. That is why I did the reorder and included the spin-offs here. -- d'oh! [talk] 01:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

The 6 missing episodes might be of Season 9. Because there are 7 seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.151.53 (talk) 05:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I have the original broadcast dates for Season 7. But they are from Channel 7 in Australia and the order is different. Should I still put the original airdates up? Alexandarkotevski (talk) 11:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, since this is a Canada show the aired dates has to be when the episodes first aired in Canada. -- d'oh! [talk] 11:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Season 9
Unless there is a source to confirming the new season or the new season starts airing, please do not add it to the list. -- d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

An email from Cineflix themselves isn't enough information? As for the seasons. How can you skip a season? The explanation given was that the first and second seasons had some episodes split, but there are conflicting answers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.85.173 (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A email is considered Original Research and is not valid as a source. Anyone who studies the history of this page will see how many 'mythical' episodes have been listed. It is well over a dozen. Someone even went through the effort of making up an aviation incident out of thin air.- William 03:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

There has been a few edits to Mayday (TV series), about the 9th season. The season needs to be confirm officially before it goes into the article, this hint of a new season on the Cineflix International website could be a mistake, and since there is not change on the Cineflix Productions website gives the indication of a mistake. There could be a new season in production, but unless it is confirm officially all of this is original research. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 08:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Tense, grammar, english
I've made some grammar and English corrections. I've changed the tense to past tense in all episode summaries. I'm not quite sure if that was right. On one hand the summaries talk about past events but at the same time they seem to have a similar tone as the episode voice over (which if I remember correctly is in present tense). Feel free to change the tense back.

Over all I find some of the wording in the episode summaries a bit clumsy. Is there tag that can be added to the article so this gets some attention from someone more proficient than me?130.194.218.171 (talk) 06:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 season
The episodes that were shown this year originally aired back in March-April. Why does it say September? Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 22:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

US Airways Ditch in 2009
There might be an episode about the US Airways ditch in 2009. As seen in the Cineflix International website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.151.53 (talk) 05:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There is nothing at the Cineflix website to suggest an episode about US Airways Flight 1549 or any other crash as a season 9 episode. William 22:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually in the Cineflix INTERNATIONAL website, the Mayday - Air Disaster show tab on the top has a new image: US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson. In previous seasons, the crashes shown in the images at Cineflix have ALWAYS been broadcasted in the oncoming season (ex. China Airlines Flight 611's CGI render was shown before Season 6/7 started, British Airtours Flight 28's CGI render was also shown in the images at Cineflix Productions months before season 7/8 started). So, although it is not a valid source to justify the creation of new section in this article - it's very likely that US Airways Flight 1549 will be covered by one of the episodes coming up next year, just to leave clear that evidence pointing to that particular incident DOES EXIST. -- Dovich

Correct. As was confirmed to me via email from Cineflix themselves new episodes are currently under production and will be aired next year (2011). This was confirmed some time after all of the new episodes this year had already aired. There will be a new season next year and rumours of the US Airways ditch episode will be proven correct, but I think that incident has been done to death. Bobman84

Adding a column
How do you add a column in the episode list? I want to add a column saying Watch Online and add a link to the show so people can watch it. Can somebody help me here? Alexandarkotevski (talk) 22:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Please have a good look at External links first. Jared Preston (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Season 8 episode titles and broadcast dates
Twice now I have changed the table under Season 8 to reflect the episodes AS ORIGINALLY BROADCAST by Discovery Channel Canada. Both times my edits were undone by D'oh! without any explanation. (Which is what irritates me the most...) I have not seen any references that contradict the information I've posted, therefore the only conclusion I can draw is that somebody deems themselves special and thinks they're the be-all and end-all source of knowledge. I was under the impression that Wikipedia was a community effort, not an elitist circle. It's clearly not a democracy, as many people have attempted to make corrections to the Mayday listings that are repeatedly undone without justification by the same small circle.

To reiterate, I've taken screen shots of the season 8 episodes stored on my PVR. You'll note that the dates of the recordings match the original air date for each respective episode. I've also taken the liberty of creating a second set of screen shots of the title cards from each episode with the Discovery Channel bug in the corner to settle the title issue once and for all. Unless you can show better cause, leave it the hell alone! (and unless you have the ability to alter reality, I doubt you can show me wrong...) Rampage Rick (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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Agreed. User D'oh is a bit of a clown. A few specials is not counted as a season. Bobman84 —Preceding undated comment added 07:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC).

Season 9 discussion
User:Qantasplanes and I are in disagreement over this edit. To void a edit warring I am starting up this discussion to help reach an agreement. User:Qantasplanes has used a chip of US Airways Flight 1549 from the Cineflix International website, since there is no aired episode on Flight 1549 there must be a new episode but I worried the chip, which doesn't give any context on why its in the reel, is not a new episode it could be a new special or it could have been put in by mistake or the series might be canceled before it airs. For me there isn't enough information with that chip to prove there is a new season. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 06:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Even if true, IMO, Flight 1549 doesn't deserve a special mention. What does deserve a mention is when the season starts. Does anyone know that? Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 22:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so why is there also now a picture of the US Airways Flight 1549 in the Cineflix productions website and also it saids in the Cineflix International website there is 9 seasons and 77 episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qantasplanes (talk • contribs) 09:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you link me? Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 14:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I've seen that Mayday 10 (which is Season 9) had 6 episodes. Here are some sources: Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.151.53 (talk) 04:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.pixray.ca/productions (If you click on productions a number of times there might be an animation of a Crossair Flight)
 * http://ca.linkedin.com/in/torontorecording (scroll down to Production Assistant)
 * http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/matt-watier/17/ab9/985
 * http://www.worldscreen.com/worldscreenings/display/4756(it says 77 episodes x 1 hour)
 * http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/sharon-zupancic/13/221/6B2 (an episode "Pilot Betrayed".)
 * http://www.cineflixproductions.com/bios/19-Rod-Parker (Mayday X and XI (10, 11))


 * Theses sources is not good enough, either way why is there this big rush to add this season, why can't we wait until it starts airing? -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 07:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Why is this now Season 9 or Season 10? Will they skip a season again? Can anyone please provide sources that Season 6 does not exist? User:Bobman84 21:36, 31 January 2011 (AEDT)
 * The reason why there is a missing season is posted on this page, twice. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 12:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I know, Mayday Special was counted as a season in the Article. Am I correct?

Good News! In the Season 8 in 2011 section it says there are new episodes: http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/about / 4 episodes: Heathrow Crash Landing, Hudson Splash Down, Stalled In The Sky and Pilot Betrayed. It premiares in March 7 at 9:00 in the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.146.143 (talk) 21:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

There are some videos and photo's about the new season of "Mayday". Here are some of the video's:


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LEfQ9TMi7I&feature=related|About the crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 in 2009.
 * http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/videos/heathrow| Investigating British Airways Flight 38 in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.151.53 (talk) 05:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The sources for season 10 are to great. Who'd wanna rv them? This is just riduculos when they are going to air. T —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.151.53 (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Season 11
I've started this talk section for discussion things for Season 11 of Mayday.

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Is there an official source that states Season 8, 9, 10 and 11 will officially exist? IMDB is just as confusing as here. I'm aware of a skipped season, but that's only based on posts here, not from the makers of the show. How can you call a few specials as a complete season? Bobman84 —Preceding undated comment added 07:28, 20 February 2011 (UTC).


 * I would have been happy to tell you the source for the episode list, but with the personal attack above, I will just say the source is in the article and you need to find it yourself. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 10:43, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Alternate titles
What is the policy on alternate titles? For example, the episode titled "Panic on the runway" was also titled "Manchester Runway Disaster." I've found that a number of episodes have different titles if broadcast under the "Mayday" name versus the "Air Crash Investigation" name. Best. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: just having seen the FAQ above, which states that the title as broadcast in Canada is used, shouldn't the alternate name be also included somewhere in the listing, but have the original Canadian title as the "primary"? -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Normally the alternate titles are not included titles for episodes, unless there is something notable about the alternate titles. This is normal for all TV shows on Wikipedia not just for Mayday. For example the show, House airs differently in Australia, sometimes under different titles and order, but the article doesn't mention it because its got nothing to about the show. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 04:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Season 10 Relese Dates
User:D'oh! has reverted my edit. But I want answers. They are clearly true and how can the not be? I hope he dosn't revert every edit for episode list's. I WANT ANSWERS! <b style='color:#948700;'>qantasplanes</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 4:52, March 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you serious? Every time I have reverted a edit I explain why in the edit summary. So I have already met your demand. Also you need to grow up and talk to other people instead of demanding or you will find no one will answer you next time. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 07:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * On another note, Qantasplanes, you might want to be aware of WP:3RR, using IPs or alternate accounts to edit war/attempt to get around this also counts towards this rule. Sb617 (Talk) 12:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Update -- Season 10 release dates
The first episode of season 10, about the Schiphol crash, aired on February 28 to coincide with the second anniversary of the disaster. This (new) episode aired ONLY on the Dutch version of National Geographic Channel on this date. Source is here and currently shows the upcoming repeats for March 7 and March 13 but does not show the February 28 date anymore as this date has passed: http://natgeotv.com/nl/air-crash-investigation/over. However, it can still be seen in the schedule for the 28th: http://natgeotv.com/nl/weekoverzicht/wekelijks/ngc/050311/2. Additionally, the Dutch National Geographic Channel trailer for this episode can be seen here and even the full episode is already posted to YouTube [copyvio]. So instead of simply just trashing someone's good-intended work, it would be nice if the editors who kept deleting this would have checked the source which was already on the page.

For the other episodes of season 10 (except episode 6 which is still unknown): This page has the other 4 episodes of season 10 and its first, upcoming airdates: http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/about The crash from episode "Pilot Betrayed" has been identified because of the clips Nat Geo posted on their website: http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/videos Michael5046 (talk) 07:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * A certain user, User:WilliamJE, continues to vandalize the progress made on this page while there are multiple and reliable sources for the information. (More sources have even been added after my text above). He refers to this page while offering no explanation whatsoever. Except on the revision history page: "I been taking care of this article for 5 months compared to your two days." Michael5046 (talk) 17:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not the only editor(D'oh is another and you've reverted their work also) who's been trying to maintain this page and who's had to constantly constantly revert vandalism. I've been doing this going back to last September. The reasons for why the article is edited as it is are on this talk page or covered in the FAQ. You've violated the 3RR wikipedia policy. Your editor status is on shaky ground. Don't make me find someone to take it away from you.- William 17:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * D'oh reverted it indeed but only did so before I finished adding the sources for the episode information. However, the page does not belong to you alone but is open to the entire community. You have provided no reasoning for your edits while I have explained the sources for the information multiple times. There were reverts for the episode information in the past days when there were no reliable sources for the information, so that does not explain your reverts. There are multiple and reliable sources. I have added the request for comment box. Michael5046 (talk) 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * And speaking of the 3RR rule, you have violated this yourself too by making 4 reverts on this page today. Michael5046 (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reverting vandalism is not a violation of 3RR. Secondly the Natgeo source is actually pretty crappy. It has the seasons numbered differently than Cineflix, the producer of the show has them. More hysterically, they list a episode as being season 8 that was never made. It is called Miami Mystery.- William 17:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been improving the article by adding the new season, not vandalizing unlike you. As for the UK Natgeo source: Miami Mystery is the alternative name for season 9 episode "Beach Crash" - as can also be seen in [copyvio]. The UK Natgeo episode list already shows that Miami Mystery is Beach Crash, however. Plus, UK Natgeo did not air the special 2-episode season 8 which is why season 9 is listed as 8 there. Michael5046 (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No Natgeo has separate listings for Beach Crash and the phantom Miami Mystery episode. If you bothered to look at the page, you would have seen it. Here's the description for Miami Mystery- #

'''Air Crash Investigation: Miami Mystery After losing an engine at 35,000 feet, the crew of a Northwest flight had to rapidly divert to Tampa airport. Did a bird cause the near-disaster?'''

That episode has never been made. It's entirely different from the Chalk's crash that Beach Crash is about.- William 18:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did look. And as I said, Miami Mystery is the alternative title for Beach Crash (but the episode description on the page is incorrect), so the episode WAS made. I have already pointed you to the Dutch National Geographic Channel trailer on [copyvio] and I have personally seen Miami Mystery on the UK National Geographic Channel and yes, it was episode Beach Crash and I'm sure you can find more references online. Michael5046 (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

You are not the only one User:Michael5046. I think they should be displayed and besides there airing on Monday. Qantasplanes (talk 8:25, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, User:Qantasplanes. There is a lot of information online from reliable sources about season 10. One entire new episode (about Schiphol) is already uploaded to YouTube since it already aired on Dutch TV, and there are numerous clips and trailers online from the other episodes. I'm not sure why User:WilliamJE is making such a problem of it, but it sounds to me as if he thinks he 'owns' the page because he worked on it in the past. Michael5046 (talk) 23:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It should be noted I have removed the links to copyright violations, these links shouldn't be posted on the talk page. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 04:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Link to full episode wasn't meant as a copyright violation but simply to point out that the first episode of season 10 already aired. The link to the trailer, however, was not a copyright violation. The trailer was uploaded by NatGeo themselves, on their official channel. Michael5046 (talk) 04:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have restored the trailer, which you right is not copyvio. But the others is. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 03:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

A few months ago, I agreed with leaving the new season's section without an episode list because of insufficient reliable sources but right now the NatGeo UK has confirmed at least 4 of the 6 episodes. Like Qantasplanes already mentioned above, one of them is already in youtube and there are numerous clips that confirm the existence and plot of Heathrow Crash Landing, Hudson Splash Down and Pilot Betrayed, not to mention that the first two of those episodes are already on the website's TV schedule, with a confirmed airing date and hour. Besides, if the OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE SERIES is not a reliable source according to some users, then which website is actually reliable to support the episode list? Seriously, both TV.com and IMDB have the same issues with the number of seasons (according to those two websites, there are only 7 seasons when in NG UK and of course, in this same article, there are 11) and also the same problems with the episode titles (in fact, several times some episodes have been registered in IMDB and TV.com twice because of the confusion with the titles, like Beach Crash/Miami Mystery). I understand that the reason why NatGeo UK has been considered unreliable by User:WilliamJE is because of last year's mistake with the description of the Beach Crash/Miami Mystery episode and the already said season number issues. Last year, there had been 64 other episodes besides Beach Crash/Miami Mystery and I believe that has been the only mistake so far made by NatGeo, why should it be a reason to call the OFFICIAL WEBSITE unreliable? If the official webpage can't be used as a reference, then I can't think on one site to support the existence of episode lists in wikipedia. Cineflix has never published a specific episode list with descriptions, only the total in production and number of seasons, so it surely can't be a reliable source for an episode list either. If some users want to wait until the season ends to post the - by that time obviously reliable - information on the episode list that would mean the reliable sources will be the episodes themselves, once they have been broadcasted. Using this logic, why isn't the Turkish Airlines FLight 1951 episode already on the list? After all, it is already uploaded in youtube, aired on Dutch TV. The information there is already in NatGeo UK is reliable enough, I would say. -- Dovich 04:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Although my position has been stated a number of times in edit summaries and on this talk page, but I will restate them. For a show like Mayday almost every broadcaster has changed something about the show. However this article is on the series as it was produced and first aired in Canada. I believe using these broadcasters and their websites as a source is not good as the information could be wrong or different to how the show first aired. I have challenged the edits which has added an air date without a source, usually air dates doesn't need a source, but again I believe Mayday is different. There is no consensus on the air dates even outside Wikipedia on IMDB, tv.com, etc, so I believe a source should be required to make sure the information is correct.

It will be hard to have a respectful discussion when editors use sockpuppetry, make personal attacks or throw policies and rules at each other. We all want the same thing to have this article full with the correct and up-to-date information about the show. So lets all stop the sockpuppetry, personal attacks and the throwing of policies, sit down and have a good discussion and reach a consensus. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 03:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * D'oh, it is true that the information is different about the broadcast dates from one broadcaster site to another, but could you propose an alternative source then? Because it's not just a matter of saying which sources we can’t use due to conflicting information, it is also a matter of finding a solution. Supposing the article has information on airdates and episode titles from Canada only, then a reference that supports exactly that information is needed.
 * The Discovery Channel Canada website has, up to the present, registered all episodes up to Frozen in Flight, and there is no mention of the last season outside the TV schedule. In case this article only followed the Canadian information on the show, then no new episodes could be introduced until they are broadcasted in Canada or until there is an announcement on the new season, like the references 4 through 10 in the present article.
 * The thing is this is an English-language Wikipedia, not a Canadian one, meaning the information shouldn't be only about Canada, it should also include the UK, the USA, Australia, etc. In fact, this article is surely being consulted by people not just from Canada. If a column on Airdates should be added to the article, then all airdates in English-speaking countries must be introduced, like in videogame articles where several release dates are mentioned. If the column is about Original Airdate, then it is also incorrect, since the show always airs first in the UK, thus making the original airdates the ones in that country.
 * Canadian airdates would be the right name for a column with the airdate information for that country. If the problem really is about the conflicting airdates, then it shouldn’t get past that. The season episode descriptions should be already written, since the season starts tomorrow, and the original airdates should only be added until the Canadian schedule is fully known. After all, the episodes themselves don’t really change from one country to another. Only the titles, airdates and short scenes are different, at the most. If the content of the show is the same for all countries, then there is no reason to avoid putting the episode list now.
 * And yes, the votation is necessary because the discussion is really going nowhere and the article is stuck barely two days before the new seasons starts. Your justification on why the broadcaster sites are not “good enough” as sources is that “you believe so” and “you believe Mayday is different”. Still, that is no real reason to mark them as unreliable, or is it? The fact is Wikipedia is a public encyclopedia, meaning that an article can’t be made based on the opinion of one person, but on the public opinion. This supports the needs for a votation, to make clear where is the public opinion taking this article.
 * Like I pointed out above, Mayday may be a Canadian-made airshow, but not all people that consult this article are Canadians and a lot of people from other English-speaking countries are surely interested in having the new season section already uploaded. -- Dovich 22:36, 07 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry but that argument is crap, just because there is currently no source doesn't mean we use a bad source to try "fill in" information. The two Cineflix websites is the only official website for the series, Discovery Channel, etc are not the official websites. Have a look at other TV shows on Wikipedia, you will find only the air dates in the country where the show came from is listed. For example List of House episodes list the US aired dates, it doesn't list the Australia, UK, etc air dates and it shouldn't. If the few day old discussion is going no where how would a vote help anything? It will make editors pick sides. Is there a chance you could wait a few months, so we can see what is going on with this season? -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 07:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Vote for including/excluding season 10 info
Since the discussion is not going anywhere like this, I propose we simply vote on including or excluding the season 10 information from NatGeo UK and other similar sources, as has been proposed above. Hopefully that will solve the dispute. Michael5046 (talk) 19:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Votes are going to be a joke because at least two editors here, not you, have resorted to sockpuppetry or did edits which not signed in in the past.- William 20:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Include Michael5046 (talk) 19:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Michael, I think it is better to let the discussion above go ahead before votes are taken. Hopefully we will never need to take a vote. -- <b style='color:#948700;'>d'oh!</b> <sub style='color:#888;'>[talk] 03:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Two new episodes have already aired and the fools are still arguing. Amazing. Bobman84