Talk:List of Michelin starred restaurants in the Netherlands

Tables
Should the tables be sortable by the year columns? Not sure this works/helps. Rich Farmbrough, 23:02, 16 August 2011 (UTC).

Rendering time etc.

 * Moved from Signpost talk: Rich Farmbrough, 20:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC).

I still have trouble with "my" article List of Michelin starred restaurants in the Netherlands. If I change anything and try to save it, it ends up as a Wikimedia error. But if I open the article in another window, the edit has gone through. Not a clue what causes this. It is a 74Kb article, not too big as far as I know. Night of the Big Wind talk  10:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? WP:VPT is your best place to file a detailed report. - Jarry1250 [Weasel? Discuss.] 11:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Firefox 5.0 on Windows Vista. Night of the Big Wind  talk  11:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What specifically is the error message? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 12:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I get the following error message:

Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes. You may be able to get further information in the #wikipedia channel on the Freenode IRC network. The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organisation which hosts some of the most popular sites on the Internet, including Wikipedia. It has a constant need to purchase new hardware. If you would like to help, please donate. If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: POST http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Michelin_starred_restaurants_in_the_Netherlands&action=submit, from 91.198.174.33 via sq75.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to 10.2.1.1 (10.2.1.1) Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:54:06 GMT }} Night of the Big Wind talk  12:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I get that from time to time. But just muddle through... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 19:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * At a guess it is because of the large number of templates on the page, I get the same problem on pages with a large number of coord templates on it. Keith D (talk) 19:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The stars images expand to 3 images per year per restaurant. There are probably better  1,2,3 of 3 star images you could use (they certainly exist for "n of 5" and  "n of 10" stars). This would cut the size of the HTML by almost 2/3, and the page would not  then take 18 seconds to serve. Rich Farmbrough, 21:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC).


 * PrimeHunter has made a good start to fixing this through template magic. Rich Farmbrough, 21:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Images used as described, page now served faster and is much smaller :). Rich Farmbrough, 23:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC).


 * I have replaced the star-template by one stolen from the Dutch WP newly built. It makes the article bigger, but I have the idea that it loads much quicker. Can somebody test that? Night of the Big Wind  talk  21:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Serving time is labelled as fast, but it appeared to load much slower, presumably due to the size. The fix by Primehunter means that no parameters are used and the rendering engine can cache the rendered templates instead of having to re-compute them every time. The fix by me reduced the number of images on the page by about 1/3, which massively reduces the number of images on the page. Your version goes part way, since it doesn't represent the missing stars, but 2 stars are still 2 images - clearly if people are not aware that it is a 3-star system (as I wasn't for some time) this information is lost. You can re-introduce these benefits by creating or finding 2 and 3 star Michelin images and either calling your new template through three wrappers, or splitting it into three, this sill retains your star-sortability, however cunningly chosen image-names probably do this too.  There may be other optimisations.  You should also consider the accessibility issues of filling a table with stars. Rich Farmbrough, 20:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Using newly acquiered knowledge I have created three new images of Michelin stars. The are now three jpg's GIF's representing one, two or three stars. So every template has to load just one picure. Hope this works better. Night of the Big Wind  talk  15:43, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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Chronological order
What's the issue with reversing the order? It makes sense to have the current first rather than scrolling to the end. Also, no editor need permission to make changes, and changes do NOT need to be discussed first, per BRD. Spleodrach (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And why would you change that order? Just to make a point? The Banner  talk 09:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You should assume good faith. I edit articles in order to improve. I think readers would like to see the current Michelin starred restaurants first, not a table mostly long closed restaurants from the 1950s/60s. If they want to see the history, then scroll down. The current table should be first like the lead/intro in an article, then the detailed history follows on from that. Spleodrach (talk) 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "You should assume good faith." Good idea, I hoop to see that from you too. The Banner  talk 22:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)