Talk:List of Michigan State Historic Sites

Move?

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The result of the move request was: page moved, and old List of Michigan State Historic Sites moved to List of Michigan State Historic Sites/version 2. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox → List of Michigan State Historic Sites –
 * I found this following histmerge request in Cut and paste move repair holding pen, but the history-merge is not practicable because WP:Parallel histories, so it will have to be a plain move and first the existing List of Michigan State Historic Sites will have to be moved to List of Michigan State Historic Sites/version 2 or somewhere. (I have history-merged the first 27 edits of User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox to Meridian race riot of 1871, which they were a start of.) See also discussion in Talk:List of Michigan State Historic Sites. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I began working in my sandbox about 6 months ago, and at the time, I didn't think there would be hundreds of edits to that page before I moved it into mainspace, so I thought a copy/paste move would be ok. I also wasn't aware that if other people helped in the sandbox that me copy/pasting it would be against GFDL guidelines for attribution. Turns out, three editors have made nearly 300 edits to the page since then, starting from here. I would like for just the edits since that revision to be moved to List of Michigan State Historic Sites. User:Doncram already created that mainspace article a while back to support a disambiguation page he was working on, but I believe that the article can and should be deleted to make way for this move. There is a short edit history of the mainspace article, but most of it is basically me trying to get the article deleted right after it was created, and then occasional bot tasks afterwards. There is a discussion at Help desk right now in which Doncram opposes the deletion and supports a copy/paste move.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we not just delete the history of the existing List of Michigan State Historic Sites article? As I said in the original request, the entire edit history there is basically Doncram creating an extremely short stub (that shouldn't have been created IMO, but that's beside the point)... then me trying to get it deleted because I planned to move this out.. then just minor bot edits and other stuff since then. Why does this history need to be saved? Why not just delete that page and move this entire history there?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we not just delete ...: This will result in the visible edits of List of Michigan State Historic Sites sitting over a deleted parallel history. This is unadvisable, because it is liable to accidents if the page later needs to be temporarily deleted: see WP:Parallel history. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:20, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, so can we move the existing List of Michigan State Historic Sites to a Talk space page, move User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox to List of Michigan State Historic Sites, and delete the Talk space page afterwards? Then I guess we can merge the two talk pages.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment the current/old list which contains only one entry could be moved to List of michigan state historic sites (note the bad capitalization). 65.95.15.60 (talk) 06:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The name List of Michigan State Historic Sites/version 2 would make it clear that its contents is an alternate version; and it would automatically move along with any future move of List of Michigan State Historic Sites. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This "alternate version" consists of a single site–a redlink, even–that was created solely for the purpose of turning a link on a disambiguation page blue. There is absolutely nothing of worth at List of Michigan State Historic Sites that is not already in User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox. I still don't see the need to keep the alternate version. I understand what you mean about moving that history out of the way, but once it's moved, why not just delete it instead of dragging it along for the remainder of this article's history?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 13:03, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The alternate version is the current List of Michigan State Historic Sites, which has 28 edits. It will have to be moved somewhere (and then perhaps deleted) before User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox is moved to name "List of Michigan State Historic Sites", for reason which I state above, not leave it sitting deleted under another page which has its own parallel history. That is technical stuff, and incidental to the question whether User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox should be moved to List of Michigan State Historic Sites. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, I understand that. I think everyone here agrees that this page should be moved, so can we just go ahead and move it? Then we can have a deletion discussion (Would that be an AFD, or is it something different since it would be like a sub-article?) after the move.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move 3 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: All moved. Biblio worm  18:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

– I'm proposing that all 58 county-specific lists be moved to eliminate "Michigan" from the end of the name. Since these are Michigan sites, it's obvious that they're in Michigan, not in Arkansas or Ontario. Alternately, we could just omit "Michigan" from the earlier part of the name (e.g. "List of State Historic Sites in Tuscola County, Michigan"), but someone could read it as being a wider-than-just-Michigan concept (comparable to state highways), rather than a Michigan-only program. This format is already used in similar situations by other states; see List of Pennsylvania state historical markers in Lycoming County and List of Indiana state historical markers in Perry County for a couple of examples, and also an isolated Michigan example, List of Michigan State Historical Markers in Oakland County. Final note — as long as we adopt my proposal, there's no need to move the parent "List of MHSHs in MI" page; I merely provided it because the template wouldn't work properly otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites → List of Michigan State Historic Sites
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Alger County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Alger County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Allegan County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Allegan County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Alpena County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Alpena County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Barry County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Barry County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Bay County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Bay County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Berrien County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Berrien County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Branch County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Branch County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Calhoun County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Calhoun County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Cass County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Cass County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Charlevoix County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Charlevoix County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Cheboygan County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Cheboygan County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Chippewa County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Chippewa County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Clinton County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Clinton County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Delta County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Delta County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Dickinson County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Dickinson County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Eaton County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Eaton County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Emmet County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Emmet County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Genesee County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Genesee County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Grand Traverse County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Grand Traverse County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Gratiot County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Gratiot County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Hillsdale County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Hillsdale County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Houghton County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Houghton County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Huron County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Huron County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ingham County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ingham County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ionia County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ionia County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Iron County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Iron County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Isabella County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Isabella County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Jackson County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Jackson County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Kalamazoo County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Kalamazoo County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Kent County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Kent County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Keweenaw County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Keweenaw County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Lapeer County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Lapeer County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Leelanau County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Leelanau County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Lenawee County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Lenawee County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Livingston County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Livingston County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mackinac County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mackinac County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Macomb County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Macomb County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Manistee County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Manistee County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Marquette County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Marquette County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mason County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mason County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mecosta County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Mecosta County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Menominee County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Menominee County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Monroe County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Monroe County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Muskegon County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Muskegon County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Newaygo County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Newaygo County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Oakland County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Oakland County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ottawa County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Ottawa County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Saginaw County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Saginaw County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Sanilac County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Sanilac County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Shiawassee County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Shiawassee County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in St. Clair County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in St. Clair County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in St. Joseph County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in St. Joseph County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Tuscola County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Tuscola County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Van Buren County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Van Buren County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Washtenaw County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Washtenaw County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Wayne County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Wayne County
 * List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Wexford County, Michigan → List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Wexford County
 * Comment: Actually, according to this website (under the Counties tab), there are some markers erected out of state, and even in France. I haven't actually checked to see if there are any repeated counties, though. Still, that's not enough of a reason not to move, and I see no problems with moving them. Also, one final point: The Oakland county list mentioned is just a list of the sites which have markers erected, and is redundant to the sites list. Other redundant lists exist for Macomb County, Wayne County, and Detroit, all without ", Michigan" kennethaw88 • talk 01:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Although that's true (and thank you; I didn't know that), I don't think it's hugely relevant, because ", Michigan" can reasonably be inferred; if they had a dozen Toledo War sites in and around Toledo, we'd call it "List of MI SHSs in Lucas County, Ohio", not just to clarify that it was in Ohio, but because anyone will assume that "List of MI SHSs in X County" is a list of places in X County, MI. Since this list directory doesn't mention out-of-state markers, what about creating a list of Michigan State Historic Sites outside Michigan?  Nyttend (talk) 02:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Support all per WP:CONCISE. No need to mention Michigan twice in the title. -Zanhe (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support all - redundant —Мандичка YO 😜 07:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks eminently logical. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


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I am working on
an article, St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church (Ann Arbor, Michigan) which appears on this list, List of Michigan State Historic Sites in Washtenaw County. Then someone dropped a Citation needed tag on it and when I went to the reference of that article I found a dead link. I have not been able to locate a list of Michigan State Historic Sites anywhere, so how do I satisfy the cit needed request? Any ideas? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the Michigan Historic Sites Online website went down a couple of years ago, and it doesn't seem like it's coming back. I don't know where else to find a list of the sites. I can find this book transcript which cryptically notes that the church is on the State Register (SR). It doesn't give a year, though. kennethaw88 • talk 06:56, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, since you already used that source, I just updated the reference. kennethaw88 • talk 07:19, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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