Talk:List of Mycenaean deities

=To do: Confirm each entry with multiple reputable sources=

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This page is a great beginning, and needs some more work. Few of the assertions here have consensus among Mycenologists. I fixed the "definitions" and LB transliterative spellings for a few of the entries, but multiple reputable citations are needed for quite a few of these. Single source, esp. an unpublished PDF source, might not be ideal for citation here. And while Palaeolexicon is awesome, it is also based on a very old lexicon (Hooker), and some of the definitions are either no longer accurate or disputed. k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making me aware of this. I’m the user who created this page, I just felt Wikipedia needed a page for Mycenaean deities because it seems like there is a “list of deities” page for every other polytheistic religions.--Russianamerican1 (talk) 21:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Totally agree. This is an awesome start! :)  I'll update a few more as I find time.  Thanks for putting it together! k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * p.s. You might capture a few more unknowns by searching for "theonym" at http://minoan.deaditerranean.com - I don't have all of them listed yet, though. I'm using Documents in Mycenaean Greek 1973 as my initial source, and then updating with more current work as I encounter it. k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Potnia
should we list all the deities with the title Potnia such as Potnia Aswia (po-ta-ni-ja a-sa-wi-a), Potnia Igweja (po-ti-ni-ja i-qe-ja) or should we just list one Potnia and make reference to the others. Potnia is believed to be represented as a separate goddess in some parts of Mycenae. --Russianamerican1 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

da-ma-te as Demeter
FYI, I removed the reference the da-ma-te as Demeter, but left the epithet. The etymology has been disproven for da-ma-te as Demeter many times, and there's a great section written on this very topic in "Interpreting the Linear B Records: Some Guidelines" by Yves Duhoux in the 2011 A Companion to Linear B: Mycenaean Greek Texts and their World vol. II (edited by Yves Duhoux and Anna Morpurgo Davies). k. da-ma-te (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Future Plans
For the record and for any editor reading this: I have in mind (provided e.g. I'll indeed spend or I'll continue to spend an enormous amound of time and effort on this article, like I have done for the last days), I propose, to add under Heroes, mortals and other entities or concepts (or however this section might be renamed, etc.): Under their own subsections, I guess. And of course accompanied by reliable sources. P.S. Also, under Deities or somewhere, other possibly Creto-Minoan-Mycenaean Gods like *56-ti. P.P.S. Btw, should I preemptively note that this article may still be regarded as a work in progress? Thanatos|talk|contributions 18:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * A. Attested in Linear B names that are probably anthroponyms but in later times were names of Mytholocigal figures (it's not only Proteus that has been attested).
 * B. Attested Shrine names like *Sphagianes.
 * C. Other relevant stuff that might pop up.

Hapax Legomenon
Some Linear B cited in this article is, unfortunately, hapax legomenon in the Linear B corpus. Unless there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence, it's almost always impossible to define a hapax word with any certainty. I propose we strongly consider removing these unless sufficient circumstantial evidence is provided. -kim. (talk) 05:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * a-pa-i-ti-jo on KN L 588+
 * di-ri-mi-jo on PY Tn 316
 * do-po-ta on PY Tn 316
 * do-qe-ja; not exactly hapax but appears only on PY An 607 the existence of do-qe-u makes this especially problematic in my mind -kim. (talk) 05:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * e-ne-si-da-o-ne on KN M 719
 * e-nu-wa-ri-jo on KN V 52+

I don't have an entry for these (something I need to fix in the LB Transliterations), so more research needed to check if they're hapax:
 * i-pe-me-de-ja
 * pa-ja-wo-ne
 * qo-wi-ja
 * wa-na-so-i

Some examples of circumstantial evidence which can help corroborate a tentative definition:
 * a-re is parallel to pa-si-te-o-i, making both more likely to belong a single taxonomy.
 * Indo-European and Homeric Greek cognates for po-ti-ni-ja as an epithet if not a theonym
 * Just for the record, for other editors who might read this: There is a, let's say, relevant disclaimer; there is also common use of verbs and adjectives or adverbs like "possible-y" as there are accompanying alternative views/interpretations and notes. No false certainty, no presumed certainty; at least not much of it; at least as far as I can tell... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

ma-ka isn't ma-ka
Yves Duhoux showed that the sign group originally transliterated as ma-ka at Knossos is actually ma-qe in 2005, and there's no good contextual evidence for ma-ka on the Thebes tablets to imply a theonym, so I went ahead and removed that one entirely. Ref: Kadmos v. 44 (2005) “Adieu au MA-KA Cnossien: une nouvelle lecture en KN F 51 et ses consequence pour les tablettes lineaire B de Thebes” by Yves Duhoux -kim. (talk) 05:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're the scholar, I'm the anonymous internet amateur, but are you sure that removing an entry in its entirety (based on one source/scholar, however prominent) is better than providing in parallel alternative views (elaborating e.g. inside a note)?!? ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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