Talk:List of NFL career quarterback wins leaders

Postseason wins
Postseason wins should definitely be included, since those wins are even more important than regular season wins. Jazzcowboy (talk) 11:29, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Post season wins can be found on a different Wikipedia page. You can find those here: NFL starting quarterback playoff records Stylteralmaldo (talk) 17:09, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

For some reason, they've already added in Tom Brady's post-season wins into this table. He only has 186 regular season wins, but 201 total wins (regular season + post-season) unless I'm mistaken. I have no idea how to fix this but it is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14F:4481:3A5F:CD8E:B0F9:23B6:AD6E (talk) 21:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

It would make sense if there was an article or section that combined regular season and postseason. Right now there's only the regular season article, and the postseason article. Since Brady's win this afternoon, someone mistakenly edited Brady and Manning to include total wins rather than just regular season. Klopek007 (talk) 22:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

"Other notable quarterbacks" section
What's the point of the "other notable quarterbacks" section? What good reason is there to have it? Lizard (talk) 06:25, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this section could be modified regarding it's purpose. Maybe list only the active quarterbacks from that listing? My thoughts. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Winning Percentage in NFL QB Wins page
This was removed. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.137.223 (talk) 23:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Raw wins are more important to list here than the win percentage, so I removed it. I didn't expect it to be controversial, and if there are more who wish for it to return, I'll revert back to it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I guess the question is: why would you choose to make a page LESS informative? The fact is that the table uses winning percentage as a sorting field (or should be unless you messed that up as well - as in, are those with equal number of wins no longer ranked by winning percentage?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.137.223 (talk) 17:09, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia should not be used as an infodump for every single piece of potentially informative info, per WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. Other platforms like Pro Football Reference exist for that purpose. And as for the sorting, I didn't change anything regarding it, but who says quarterbacks with the same amount of wins should be sorted by win percentage anyway? We usually either sort alphabetically in those cases, or by the first to reach the number. Again, if others disagree with me, I'll revert it, but its not like I removed it for no reason. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:20, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

The page isn't cluttered with stats or acting as a pointless stat dump, and winning percentage is very relevant to the page in question. I just came back to this page today and was surprised to see that it had been removed as I had previously found it quite useful for reference. Seems like a pointless removal that lowers the page's overall informative quality, in my opinion. Please add it back. BeardedScholar (talk) 04:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree wholeheartedly BeardedScholar. Plus, consider that ranking by win percentage tells which QB got to that # of wins in the fewest games! I replaced that column. Spparky (talk) 12:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We didn't really come to a consensus before you re-added it, but whatever. Does anybody want to fix the ugly colored mess that is the primary issue now? We don't need all these colors, which hurts readability rather than helps it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about reworking this abomination for years now, but I always get discouraged when I see how much work it'd take. (Wow we were literally minutes apart to suggest this) Lizard  (talk) 20:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, this list should only include regular season wins, as is standard for every other NFL career leaders page. Lizard  (talk) 20:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Removed, and will start on a color cleanup later. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Temporarily cleaned up the page (still needs a proper fix). One last thing, do we want/need to include ties here? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 20:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ehh it'd be odd to leave ties out. They are part of a quarterback's record, which is basically what this is a list of. Lizard  (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove the total wins column? There needs to be a column that lists total wins (the combined total of their wins from all teams), otherwise it's way less readable. Joejoe1864 (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The table is very difficult to follow. Brady has 204 wins....that's easy because he's been with one team. Peyton Manning has 141 + 45 wins? Huh?? Confusing. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to add that I'm not sure all the 'present' quarterbacks are being updated, i.e. after watching a recent Seahawks game it showed that Russell Wilson has over 70+ wins, is this something that is updated at the end of every season? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.161.14.226 (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Usually people update it after every win. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 01:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Dissident93...you mean that is something individuals do? There isn't one or a group of folks that just do all the updates? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:A80:1D5F:5830:EBCF:5876:31B3 (talk) 19:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

This page is supposed to be a list of the most total career wins by Quarterbacks, yet the total number of wins isn't even listed. Peyton Manning is tied for second all time with 186 wins, yet the number 186 is somehow not listed next to his name. This needs to be fixed. Also, some of the players are out of order (probably because of how hard it is to read the chart without total career wins being listed). I'm going to fix the ordering now, but someone else needs to add another column or something for total career wins. Joejoe1864 (talk) 23:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I tried to make some changes but they didn't save successfully, so I just made a minor change instead. Some of the list still has errors. Joejoe1864 (talk) 23:34, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Chart
In my opinion, quarterbacks who have played for more than one team should have a 'total' line at the bottom of their chart section. Also, the tie number that encompasses more than one row is a little too cute, and actually is confusing. For instance, it looks like Len Dawson had eight ties with each of the three teams he played for, for a total of 24 ties in his career.Juve2000 (talk) 05:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Table updates
The list was horribly constructed before, so I boldly updated the table to address the following issues.
 * 1) Restored the Pro Football Hall of Fame designation which was lost when the list was re-made.  This note is used on most NFL player lists.  I also added colored backgrounds for both HOF and active players, which are used on most NFL lists.
 * 2) Updated all active QB records, accurate as of the games played November 3, 2019.
 * 3) Removed post-season records from QB win percentages.  This chart is for REGULAR SEASON wins only.  Also update win % to not include pre-1972 ties, which were not counted in a team or player's record based on the rules at the time.
 * 4) Added columns for career wins, losses, and ties.  Previously, a player's career losses were not shown, only his losses with each specific team.
 * 5) Removed the absolutely horrendous convention of combining all ties into one row.  It made no sense whatsoever.
 * 6) Fixed sorting order for the team(s) a player has played on.  I kept the notation the same (e.g. "Indianapolis A" for Peyton Manning, who has the highest win total for the Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts, and "Indianapolis B" for Johnny Unitas, who has the second highest win total for the Colts (even though he played in Baltimore).  Therefore keeping the franchises together when it is sorted by franchise (as it was done before, but I fixed the mikstakes).  Note that I have the Raiders sorted as "Las Vegas," which is premature, but will be done at the end of the season anyway.
 * 7) Fixed the sorting of QB names so all players are sorted by surname.
 * 8) Removed the convention of using win % to "break ties" between QBs with the same number of wins.  The NFL does not use win % to break these ties, so it is not Wikipedia's place to do so.  Players with the same win total are now listed alphabetically.

Frank Anchor Talk 16:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorting Bug
If you sort the table by anything other than the initial column, the rows are duplicated in a funny way. I'm not a guru, so I'll leave it to someone else. I suspect that it's because there isn't a proper index as the first column groups QBs by rank when they are tied for number of wins. Jeff kuta (talk) 16:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)