Talk:List of Nobel laureates affiliated with the University of California, Berkeley/Archive 1

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I'm working on assembling lists for various categories of "Berkeley people" including this one, famous faculty members, and distinguished/famous alumni. This is the first list I've finished; when I finish them all I'll update the main Berkeley page to reflect the new lists. --Gku 2004 Aug 15

The main UC Berkeley article (as well as the university's official website) says that the university currently has 8 nobel laureates. This page says there are 7 laureates on the faculty. Any objection to making the edit? - Walkiped 02:09, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * The official website lists 7 nobel laureates (http://www.berkeley.edu/about/honors/ ). - Gku 04:58, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Czeslaw Milosz died this year, reducing the number to 7. However, Steven Chu was soon appointed director of LBNL. I am not sure if he has appointed to the physics dept faculty yet. The agreement was that he would get a professorship, but I think there's a formal appointment process that takes some time. Someone should email the school. --Jiang 00:31, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disapprove of sub-lists of laureates such as this for Berkeley and that on Jewish origin. Such lists, unless surrounded by other equally-billed sub-lists, may accidentally give the impression that certain ethnic or academic backgrounds are inherently superior. I would be unhappy if many lazy users cited such sub-lists as grounds for discrimination. die Baumfabrik 23:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Information on Nobel Laureates
Please do not make sweeping deletions of these lists, the goal is to provide easy to access information. The parallel lists are helpful in that respect. Thanks. 173.73.162.217 (talk) 14:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)Accessibility
 * The thing is, I didn't actually delete anything in the sense of removing peoples' access to it – I simply removed entirely duplicated information. I really don't understand what purpose the lists existing side-by-side serves, at all.
 * What's more, your edit reverted my WP:DASH fixes... Which is a bit... annoying, I must admit. Not to sound like an ass, but I do feel I need to point it out. It breaks the WP:MOS, and makes the page look out of whack with the rest of the project. (Or at least, the ideal state of the project.) What Wikipedia policy argues for the inclusion of duplicating information? Accessibility doesn't mention anything, as far as I can see. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 15:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Todd and Peter Debye
In October, 1957, Alexander Todd was Charles M. and Martha Hitchcock Lecturer at UC Berkeley. Such lectures are awards/honors/recognition instead of an actual affiliation with the university. Peter Debye's lectures at Berkeley were also awards/honors rather than an actual affiliation with the university. Ber31 (talk) 07:44, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
American Institute of Physics (AIP) has a project named "PHYSICS HISTORY NETWORK (PHN)". The so-called "ARRAY OF CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN PHYSICISTS (ACAP)", being the starting point of the project, mentioned that "[i]n ACAP, staff at the Radiation Laboratory are generally treated as members of Berkeley's physics department up until Lawrence's death in 1958 (when the lab was renamed after him), but this historical division should be considered otherwise arbitrary."

However, first of all, there are many sources continue to view the Lawrence Radiation Lab as a part of the University of California, Berkeley. Just to name a few below,

1) UC Website:

2) 1963 publication:

3) 1969 publication:

4) 1970 publication:

Notice that "University of California", if regarded as an administrative system instead of a university, does not have a location. So one cannot split "University of California, Berkeley" into two terms. But these sources are not against the ACAP's saying since ACAP does claim "historical division should be considered otherwise arbitrary." In fact, in the updated version of AIP's "PHYSICS HISTORY NETWORK", an updated view is taken:

1) Lawrence Radiation Laboratory (1931-1971) : U.S. Atomic Energy Commission is counted as a collaborator.

2.1) Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (1971 - 1981) : U.S. Atomic Energy Commission and UC Berkeley Physics Department are both counted as collaborators.

2.2) Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (1971 - 1981) : in Institutional Hierarchy, "Lab created as an offshoot of the University of California, Berkeley's Radiation Laboratory in 1952 and it became its own separate laboratory in 1971."

3.1) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (1995 - ) : in Institutional Hierarchy, Department of Energy (Supports the laboratory through its Office of Science) and University of California (Manager of the laboratory).

3.2) Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (1995 - ) : University of California, Berkeley Department of Physics is counted as a collaborator.

Hence, I have updated the lead of the page accordingly into the following:

''The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory was established by Ernest Lawrence in 1931. It was called the "University of California Radiation Laboratory" in the beginning, and shortly after Lawrence died in 1958, the lab was renamed as the "Ernest O. Lawrence Radiation Laboratory". [9] In 1952, Lawrence Radiation Lab established a branch in Livermore, California. The entire Lawrence Radiation Lab was widely regarded as a part of the University of California, Berkeley.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] In 1971, the Livermore branch became its own separate laboratory and was renamed "Lawrence Livermore Laboratory". [11]At the same time, the original site in Berkeley was renamed "Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory". [10] Both laboratories were regarded as a part of the University of California.[10][11] Finally, the Lawrence Livermore Lab becomes a national laboratory of the U.S Department of Energy (DOE) in 1981 and was renamed "Lawrence Livremore National Laboratory",[16] and in 1995 the Lawrence Berkeley Lab became a national laboratory of DOE and was renamed "Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory". [17]''

Minimumbias (talk) 04:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Bolding
According to Manual of Style/Lead section ("Avoid these common mistakes") - Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead. I will remove the bolding of UC Berkeley in the opening sentence of the lead. Ber31 (talk) 09:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)